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Ford Launches EcoSport Mini-CUV  
User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3114 times:

2014 Ford EcoSport


This new B-segment crossover, which is based on the popular Ford Fiesta, will go on sale in Europe with SYNC AppLink, which is enabling voice control on smartphone applications, SYNC emergency assistance, automatically connecting to local emergency services in the event of a crash and some other interesting features. Interestingly, the EcoSport was designed and engineered primarily by Ford of Brazil, where the EcoSport has been on sale for some time.

The European version of the Ford EcoSport has been unveiled at a show in Barcelona, Spain, and the above official Ford photo is providing a first look into the production model which will go on sale in Europe later on this year as a 2014 model. Rumors are saying that the Ford EcoSport will get a 1.0 liter EcoBoost engine under its hood, in two outputs, 100 HP and 120 HP, along with a 1.5 liter diesel. There have been EcoSport variants shown with Ford's 2.0 liter Ecoboost 4 cylinder engine as well, which would likely be the engine used in any North American version of the EcoSport. The model will go on sale against the Nissan Juke, the Opel Mokka, and the Buick Encore (the Mokka's badge-engineered cousin in China and North America).

There are rumors in the press that the EcoSport could be moved upmarket with luxury appointments and sold ONLY as a Lincoln in the USA, clearly targeting the upscale Buick Encore as its competition. Lincoln is also launching another SUV based on the new Ford Escape later this year, which will be badged as the MKC - which will compete with the higher variants of GMC Terrain.

GM could also bring their current Chevrolet Trax mini-CUV to market in the USA - Chevy currently sells the Trax (which is also based on the Opel Mokka) in Canada and Mexico.

Source: http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-unv...ion-spec-ecosport-compact-suv.html

[Edited 2013-02-25 21:59:54]


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

Is this just a new product to keep within government mandated CAFE regulations?

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
There are rumors in the press that the EcoSport could be moved upmarket with luxury appointments and sold ONLY as a Lincoln in the USA

Why?
Is there really a market expensive econo-CUVs?

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Lincoln is also launching another SUV

Geez, just what Lincoln needs....NOT! :=I



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7413 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3034 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
Geez, just what Lincoln needs....NOT! :=I

Do tell, what do Lincoln need?


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3013 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
Is this just a new product to keep within government mandated CAFE regulations?

No. It is originally from South America where small CUVs like this are popular and with this generation moving to Europe because small CUVs are a growing market there.

Believe it or not not every decision an auto company makes is based on CAFE regulations and there are people out there, worldwide, who actually want small cars/CUVs.


User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 3):
Believe it or not not every decision an auto company makes is based on CAFE regulations and there are people out there, worldwide, who actually want small cars/CUVs.

Thank you!

It is rather amusing to see many folks, both in these boards and elsewhere, who bemoan the proliferation of small, efficient vehicles as if it were the result of some larger government conspiracy. However, as you rightly point out, there is a growing market for efficient, easy to drive/maneuver vehicles, particularly as fuel prices keep rising and more people navigate towards the (often) crowded cities and urban areas where parking and space are at a premium. When you add to that the fact that most drivers value ride comfort and electronic gadgets over off-roading, towing, and power, then it should be no surprise that the "traditional" SUVs are slowly being replaced with car-based platforms (witness the new Jeep Cherokee).

That said, I do think that stretching this vehicle into a Lincoln is a step too far IMHO. Lincoln's identity is still going through some painful changes - is it a manufacturer of large, traditional luxury cars and SUVs or is it a seller of hip, trendy, iPhone-like premium vehicles? Adding such a small (most likely gadgets-full) CUV with yet another non-descriptive alphanumeric nameplate to its sales brochure (without sorting first the identity issue) is like trying to repair a broken knee with a bandage.

This vehicle will probably work great in the North American market as a Ford; I can already see them in funky shades of green, brown, and yellow, oh and 90% of them being sold with front-wheel-drive.


User currently offlineakiss20 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 609 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2994 times:

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 4):
Quoting Polot (Reply 3):
Believe it or not not every decision an auto company makes is based on CAFE regulations and there are people out there, worldwide, who actually want small cars/CUVs.

Thank you!

It is rather amusing to see many folks, both in these boards and elsewhere, who bemoan the proliferation of small, efficient vehicles as if it were the result of some larger government conspiracy. However, as you rightly point out, there is a growing market for efficient, easy to drive/maneuver vehicles, particularly as fuel prices keep rising and more people navigate towards the (often) crowded cities and urban areas where parking and space are at a premium. When you add to that the fact that most drivers value ride comfort and electronic gadgets over off-roading, towing, and power, then it should be no surprise that the "traditional" SUVs are slowly being replaced with car-based platforms (witness the new Jeep Cherokee).

  



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 3):
No. It is originally from South America wh

So it's being imported to the US to comply with CAFE rules?

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 4):
However, as you rightly point out, there is a growing market for efficient, easy to drive/maneuver vehicles, p

Therefore no need for government mandated CAFE rules if the market already dictates a demand (want) for small vehicles.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 4):
is it a manufacturer of large, traditional luxury cars

Not since 2011.



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7413 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):

So it's being imported to the US to comply with CAFE rules?

Get over your prejudices, it's probably being imported because Fords marketing department have worked out that there is a market for small cheap to run SUV's.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
Not since 2011.

Because nobody wanted it anymore, pretty simple isn't it.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 7):
Get over your prejudices

????
I'm just asking a question.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 7):
Because nobody wanted it anymore, pretty simple isn't it.

Which means Lincoln is no longer a manufacturer of large, traditional luxury cars as Charles79 claims.



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5608 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2913 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
So it's being imported to the US to comply with CAFE rules?

No. It is not. There is a market here for these types of vehicles and Ford wants to have access to it. This is the best and most effective way for them to do so.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
Therefore no need for government mandated CAFE rules if the market already dictates a demand (want) for small vehicles.

Great! Work to get it repealed. However the CAFE standards do not bother me at all and in general I support them. But if you want them repealed then work to get them repealed. It is your choice. But not everyone will agree with you (or me) so you may not be able to garner sufficient support to repeal them if enough people are OK with them, and that is how it should be. For now, I am content with them in place.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
Which means Lincoln is no longer a manufacturer of large, traditional luxury cars as Charles79 claims.

From how I read it, Charles79 didn't say that, he was commenting that Lincoln is in the middle of an identity crisis as to "what they actually are". Hence his statement:

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 4):
Lincoln's identity is still going through some painful changes - is it a manufacturer of large, traditional luxury cars and SUVs or is it a seller of hip, trendy, iPhone-like premium vehicles?

They may not be currently making them but they are still identified with "large luxury" and there is a market in that and they don't want to lose those customers. So there is a question out there of "What should they do?", "How do they best keep what they have and grow new markets?"

Tugg

[Edited 2013-02-26 12:17:27]


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2902 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 7):
it's probably being imported because Fords marketing department have worked out that there is a market for small cheap to run SUV's.

Which is why it would be more fitting for this EcoSport to be offered as a Ford product vs. a Lincoln product. The Lincoln was never intended to be the cheap bargain brand.

With regards to this EcoSport being a Lincoln-only model in the US market as well as the Buick Encore; while the demand for smaller SUVs/CUVs might be the upcoming wave, selling them only as upper/luxury brands could backfire. Selling a very small Lincoln for the price of a medium-sized Ford may not sit too well; especially since both brands are now under the same roof in a lot more locations since the Mercury brand was terminated a few years ago. IMHO, this EcoSport could've been a Mercury (which was more of direct rival to Buick than Lincoln is).

The Buick Encore might have a little more breathing room since most new Buick & Chevy dealerships aren't under the same roof; thereby eliminating any internal competition.



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2888 times:

Some of you guys are jumping the gun a bit. Ford is not importing the Ecosport to the US. Rumors that it will come over as a Lincoln are just that- rumors. The Buick Encore has been on sale for a month. If it is a success you will probably see a response from Ford (and other luxury carmakers). If not then you will probably see nothing.

User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Lincoln is also launching another SUV based on the new Ford Escape later this year,

We actually rented an Escape when we went to Michigan at Christmas and I was fairly impressed with it. I would actually consider it if it had a rear camera (because of two cervical disc fusions - I need that rearward vision) and the center console didn't look like a Hyundai reject. Far too much crap there - actually had a hard time using the radio.

Lincoln could probably do a decent job upgrading the interior and (maybe) the ride, Only problem is that they will probably overcharge by a mile. Pity they dumped the Mercury brand.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
So it's being imported to the US to comply with CAFE rules?

Unless the Ford Engineers in Brazil come up with something better . . .   

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
Therefore no need for government mandated CAFE rules if the market already dictates a demand (want) for small vehicles.

Sadly we have a lot of big cars & SUVs & trucks. I live in BubbaLand (Oklahoma) where smaller cars don't have a lot of hope. Every time I see a Fiat 500 I say a little prayer for the folks in it.


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 12):
I would actually consider it if it had a rear camera

Well, come 2014, thanks to the Government, ALL cars and passenger trucks sold in the USA will have rear cameras. The more expensive cars will have them in the dash/entertainment center, while the cheaper cars will have a little 2-3" camera screen in the rear view mirror.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 2):
Do tell, what do Lincoln need?

Mercy killing maybe?

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 4):
It is rather amusing to see many folks, both in these boards and elsewhere, who bemoan the proliferation of small, efficient vehicles as if it were the result of some larger government conspiracy.

The proliferation of smaller, more efficient vehicles isn't a problem. The punishment of people who buy other vehicles, however, is.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 4):
Lincoln's identity is still going through some painful changes

Lincoln has a very clear identity. They are far and away the most popular brand among people who think that Fords are not expensive enough.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 12):
Sadly we have a lot of big cars & SUVs & trucks. I live in BubbaLand (Oklahoma) where smaller cars don't have a lot of hope. Every time I see a Fiat 500 I say a little prayer for the folks in it.

Truck and SUV drivers became as safe as car drivers only in the very recent past.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 13):
Well, come 2014, thanks to the Government, ALL cars and passenger trucks sold in the USA will have rear cameras.

You've got to be kidding. Seatbelts are good, ABS and traction control is understandable, but rearview cameras? Is there an epidemic of smashed bicycles? How many people really want or need such things, and why can't they just get it themselves if they want it so badly? Instead every new car is going to be saddled with the extra cost. Better to just buy used I guess, or rip the thing out to save weight if you must pay for it.



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
So it's being imported to the US to comply with CAFE rules?

It's not being imported and from what I read, is unlikely to be.


User currently offlineaf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2688 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

Don't like the look of the EcoSport, but I don't really like CUVs in general. I prefer wagons, hatchbacks, and MPVs. Instead of bringing the EcoSport to the U.S. bring the S-Max and/or Galaxy over from Europe.


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User currently offlineGSPflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
You've got to be kidding. Seatbelts are good, ABS and traction control is understandable, but rearview cameras? Is there an epidemic of smashed bicycles? How many people really want or need such things, and why can't they just get it themselves if they want it so badly? Instead every new car is going to be saddled with the extra cost. Better to just buy used I guess, or rip the thing out to save weight if you must pay for it.
http://www.dailytech.com/Backup+Came...+Completed+Dec+31/article29423.htm

The US Government is working towards it. Article states that 300 deaths 16,000 injuries per year are caused by drivers who "can't see" behind them. I guarantee that the majority of those wouldn't have been any different with a rear view camera. Those who are truly cautious,like myself, always look over their shoulder and use their mirrors anyways.

If I (back when I was 15) could back up a 3/4 ton long bed diesel truck with no camera, I think a soccer mom in her Ford Escape is perfectly capable of doing the same.

Another article I found says that this will increase car prices by $200. I wonder if this camera breaks, would you be required by law to have it fixed?


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
You've got to be kidding.

Nope. Not in stone yet, but you can bet it will happen.... maybe not 2014, but 15 or 16. Yep. Will be there.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/01/03/n...-delays-backup-camera-rules-again/



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 17):
The US Government is working towards it. Article states that 300 deaths 16,000 injuries per year are caused by drivers who "can't see" behind them.

I'd like to see the data of "can't see" versus "didn't bother looking."

Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 17):
If I (back when I was 15) could back up a 3/4 ton long bed diesel truck with no camera, I think a soccer mom in her Ford Escape is perfectly capable of doing the same.

Exactly, plus just trying to park so that you don't have to do that as much. I don't see why it shouldn't be left up to manufacturers anyway, as I imagine it will be virtually universal among higher end cars and optional on others. I just don't see why they should increase the costs of all cars across the board.

Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 17):
I wonder if this camera breaks, would you be required by law to have it fixed?

Certainly not in states with no inspection. As far as others, I don't know.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 18):
Nope. Not in stone yet, but you can bet it will happen.... maybe not 2014, but 15 or 16. Yep. Will be there.

What a joke. Hopefully this will die with LaHood's departure. He was big on pushing ridiculous amounts of stupidproofing technology into cars.



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User currently offlineblrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1423 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2761 times:

Ford is planning to release this in India too. CUVs or mini-SUVs are becoming very popular in India too. Renault Duster which was launched recently in India has got good response. EcoSport is supposed to be launched in India too later this year.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

Quoting blrsea (Reply 20):

Ford is planning to release this in India too. CUVs or mini-SUVs are becoming very popular in India too.

They have to be, considering the conditions there. India is kind of the wild west of motoring. I'd never consider the EcoSport myself, but it definitely beats a scooter.



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 2):
Do tell, what do Lincoln need?

While I know some will roll their eyes at me for commenting this AGAIN, this is exactly what "Lincoln Motor Car" needs..... with proper functioning infotainment system and high output powertrain options!

2002 Lincoln Continental Concept



2015 Lincoln MKR sedan (official Lincoln photo - concept vehicle)


 



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7413 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
Which means Lincoln is no longer a manufacturer of large, traditional luxury cars as Charles79 claims.

They still make large luxury cars, they just don't make dinosaur RWD body on frame cars anymore.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 10):
Which is why it would be more fitting for this EcoSport to be offered as a Ford product vs. a Lincoln product. The Lincoln was never intended to be the cheap bargain brand.

No reason why it couldn't be spruced up with a luxo interior and targeted at the Countryman.


User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 972 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 19):
What a joke. Hopefully this will die with LaHood's departure. He was big on pushing ridiculous amounts of stupidproofing technology into cars.

What a joke, back up cameras would be necessary for a Mattel plastic play toy like this:




Many of us learned to drive (and reverse, and park) in vehicles without rear cameras which actually had rear quarter panels, meaning the rear of the car extended past the rear wheels:

Ford:




Lincoln:




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25 Post contains images Superfly : Exactly! This sort of jumping the gun and attempting to start flame-wars over a discussion as Innocent of a topic as a car is why many stop posting a
26 PHLBOS : Ditto here. IMHO, what's really hindering visibilty on many today's new vehicles are the wider side pillars (containing airbags) and the taller, high
27 Ken777 : Sounds good to me and I bet the insurance companies are also smiling. If it was just trikes no one would worry and it wouldn't be mandated. There are
28 tugger : You don't need to be a politician. You need to be active in telling those that are your representatives your views and continue expressing them and s
29 BMI727 : Not for everybody. If it is a problem, just check the box when you buy the car or get an aftermarket system rather than forcing everyone to shell out
30 Post contains links and images Aesma : That's really a Dacia, aka a low cost car. Not sure the EcoSport can be made as cheaply. Not with the horrendous traffic !
31 Superfly : The insurance companies are always smiling. Already have and it's not much of an important issue for them to tackle. Most people aren't even aware of
32 MD11junkie : A Ford Fiesta. The fact that 'Dacia' is associated with low cost does not mean is shit. Logan and Sandero, two Renault-Dacia line up - share platform
33 Ken777 : So you're 6'5" and will never have a visibility problem with any design - now or in the future. And, of course, at that size no one will fail to see
34 BMI727 : Then check the box for the option package that includes it next time you buy a car. Or buy a car that has it standard. And if you want a car that doe
35 kiwirob : By your reasoning safety devices like airbags, ABS brakes, seatbelts, stability control systems (not sure if this is law right now) should not have b
36 BMI727 : I'll go along with seatbelts and crumple zones, but beyond that it should be mostly buyers' discretion.
37 kiwirob : So you don't think that airbags and ABS are valid safety devices which should be manditory?
38 Aesma : Well I didn't say it was shit, but the cheapness definitely shows. My father drives the highest end Sandero and it lacks features and comfort my entr
39 Polot : You wouldn't see much difference. The general public has spoken and determined that they love very safe cars- automakers don't go above and beyond th
40 BMI727 : Not government mandated, no. If the manufacturers want to make them standard equipment, fine. Which is why such regulations are dumb. At best they ar
41 Polot : The problem is that your choice then can a detriment effect on someone else. YOU may not want ABS, but without them you are more likely to hit someon
42 GuitrThree : Here is the difference. Airbags and ABS brakes are automatically deployed. Same with stability. For the "mandatory" camera to work, one must USE it.
43 BMI727 : It doesn't unless I run into them. It's just a mostly arbitrary line in the sand. The proliferation of expensive government regulation of cars needs
44 Polot : What I was getting at was that your insurance rates will shoot throw the roof. Honestly things probably wouldn't be cheaper in the end. Doesn't matte
45 BMI727 : ...at which people will seek out cars with such safety features. Problem solved with exactly zero government regulations and zero government bureaucr
46 Polot : But the mere possibility of being able to buy a car without those features will automatically make your insurance higher. So now you are where we are
47 BMI727 : How many such cars do you think will be built anyway? You're talking a relatively small number for use on tracks and weekends. There's no reason for
48 Polot : No, this is what will happen: Automakers will do what they currently do and build a stripper trim level lacking most of the safety features people wa
49 BMI727 : Nothing wrong with that. Customers should do their homework. This day in age, there is no reason why anyone should walk onto a dealer lot and not kno
50 Polot : Yeah, and what are the customers going to do about it? Remember government regulation is wrong, so that is not the answer.
51 BMI727 : Nothing. If insurers want to raise rates they will, whether it's for no reason or a bullshit reason. I'd at least prefer to have more options as far
52 Polot : But you won't have more options. Automakers don't make decisions purely based on government regulations- they also take into account market demand. Y
53 BMI727 : In many cases, yes. In which case the government is just wasting paper. It's not just the major manufacturers though. Rolling back a bunch of governm
54 kiwirob : But that's not the problem with the camera, that's just user incompetance, plus the story sounds like fantasy to me as the reversing sensors would ha
55 mham001 : I wondered about that too. Cars have had sensors for years, at a cost of tens of dollars.
56 BMI727 : And costs millions of dollars. We get Caterhams too, but those might be grandfathered in, but no KTM XBow. I know that for a while, and maybe still,
57 GuitrThree : Wow. That's a whole lot of know it all there. But you're wrong. On many levels. It's not user "incompetence" if the user IS NOT USING IT. Apparently
58 RayChuang : I do think that Ford may sell both the EcoSport and B-Max here in the USA with the next few years. Mind you, the US-market version of the EcoSport wil
59 GuitrThree : Why not? That's the way GM does its business in a lot of cases. See the Chevy Traverse/Buick Enclave/GMC Acadia line for an example.
60 Polot : The large CUV is a big market in the US though. The mini-CUV market is too small at this point for GM to start cannibalizing their own sales.
61 tugger : Fair enough, but often a reason why people are not aware of it is because it has not adversely affected their lives, or at least affected them in a w
62 Post contains links kiwirob : I'm sure when all added up the cost of these additional safety devices pails into insignificance when compared to the savings made by people survivin
63 BMI727 : Let customers and carmakers figure out what is or is not fully worth it. That same article does say that the Zonda was never approved for the US. And
64 kiwirob : That would be true but you weren't talking about the Zonda, you were talking about the Huayra.
65 Polot : Europe has just as many rules and bureaucracy. The difference is that Zonda is from there so their cars were built to follow them first, not the US's
66 BMI727 : Both are relevant here. I have no love for their rules and bureaucracy either.
67 kiwirob : No you clearly said Huayra, the Zonda isn't relevant at all when discussing selling Huayra's in the US.
68 BMI727 : They're both relevant to why American rules are excessive and not helpful to low volume manufacturers.
69 kiwirob : And European rules aren't just as tricky?
70 Aesma : European rules aren't unified by the way. Many niche cars made in the UK are illegal in France for example. As for the US, I don't understand how hot
71 stasisLAX : I agree that Chevy may not sell the Trax here in the future , but they COULD if gasoline prices skyrocket to $5/gallon even more (regular unleaded ga
72 Post contains links and images mham001 : No they won't, sensors fail all time. There are costs that we never hear about, and that I doubt are ever included in the numbers, and that is the co
73 GuitrThree : Let's talk facts.. When did I say it was an A6? I didn't. When did I say the model year? I didn't. Before you make BS statements about the car in que
74 Post contains images Superfly : WOW! That is insane! The alternator should be one of the easiest parts to replace. Well said sir!
75 kiwirob : If you buy new you don't have to worry about labour costs, it's all covered under warranty. I haven't bought a second hand car in a long time, not af
76 mham001 : So this limits you and anybody else with a brain to only keeping the car for 4 years or 50,000 miles before dumping it at the wrecking yard door. Thi
77 kiwirob : It's my choice, I'm not interested in owning an old car as a daily driver and family transporter. New car warranty in Norway for most cars is 5 years
78 Post contains images Superfly : I agree and a 4 year öld car should not be headed for the wrecking yard unless it was in a severe accident. [Edited 2013-03-05 19:13:36]
79 Post contains images mham001 : Coming from the guy who proclaimed Chrysler as viable product simply because it has a diesel..... I assume you believe that only a new car less than
80 Post contains links mham001 : Back on subject, as we learn more, the doubts about ever seeing this model in the US grow... EcoSport shows flaw in Ford's global design policy March
81 kiwirob : And when did I say that, however if you're talking about the European market, Chrysler would need to offer diesels to be viable, which they do. I've
82 Post contains links and images Aesma : I don't know how it'll play out but some people like "fake rugged" for some reason. As an example the Dacia Sandero, a mainstream city hatchback, is q
83 RayChuang : A couple of comments: The problem is that the Fiesta ST's 1.6-liter "Ecoboost" engine is a very "high strung" engine, with more power at the top end o
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