Clipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 12 Posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 891 times:
Having a great 4th of July here! Came on to check what's going on, and there does not seem to be much. I did notice the lack of good wishes to my fellow Americans on our great independence day form the usual anti-U.S. crowd. But why should that surprise me or us. I bet it burns them to no end that quite a few posts were directed to our nation's holiday and it's citizens. I am kind of enjoying that!
Thank you to all who posted some great July 4th best wishes! It was nice to read all of them!
Ok, back to the hot dogs, Mike's hard lemonade and FIREWORKS!
God Bless America My Home Sweet Home! GOD I LOVE IT!
Lufthansausa From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 188 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 847 times:
Happy 4th, Clipper and all the other Americans!
ClipperHawaii- Whats Honolulu like on the 4th of July? I was just thinking about how nice it would be to be in Honolulu over the 4th, since I've only been to Hawaii over spring breaks. How's the fireworks etc.? I'd appreciate some info. Enjoy the rest of 4th of Jluy!
Rolex01 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 847 times:
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is probably going to wind up being a controversial post.. I mean, there seem to be a lot of foreigners that hate the USA in this forum, and try to start stuff with anyone that thinks the USA is great.
Clipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 12 Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 834 times:
I don't want this post to be controversial. It is just an observation and my feelings.
LufthansaUSA, thanks for the kind greetings. Hawaii on the 4th is pretty nice! First the weather...84 degrees winds 060/15 kts. Partly cloudy. Fireworks (which is where we are headed right now) are pretty fantastic. 30 min display off Magic Island near Ala Moana Center. They have a big show on the upper deck of the shopping center but the fireworks are off shore of the beach. LOUD is where we will be sitting on the grass!
I always take July 4th off. I am very patriotic. My flag that is outside my house is flowing in the wind and making a lot of noise. (It is 10 feet by 14 feet) Pretty big one!
It is also nice to spend the day with friends and my girlfriend. Anyway, we have to leave now(it gets so crowded, have to go early for a good spot) so laters... and again HAPPY 4TH OF JULY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Clipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 12 Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 790 times:
Boy Gunships, no kidding! That's a great visual you wrote there! I just got back myself watching 30 min. of loud and beautiful explosions with my girlfriend. The fireworks were impressive. All in all a great day! God Bless America!
Swissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 35 Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 784 times:
Pacificjourney, Clipperhawaii and others, I hope you had a great 4th of July
I don't think that I hate them, it's only that I think different. I just would like to tell you that I don't care what you are doing within your own country, I care what you (or your government) is doing outside the USA. But as I said, I hope you had a great 4th of July and I don't want to discuss inside here!
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Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21346 posts, RR: 54 Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 767 times:
Clipperhawaii: I did notice the lack of good wishes to my fellow Americans on our great independence day form the usual anti-U.S. crowd. But why should that surprise me or us. I bet it burns them to no end that quite a few posts were directed to our nation's holiday and it's citizens. I am kind of enjoying that!
Rolex01: This is probably going to wind up being a controversial post.. I mean, there seem to be a lot of foreigners that hate the USA in this forum, and try to start stuff with anyone that thinks the USA is great.
In order to be respected, you will have to know how to respect others.
You know, "even" when you´re american, it doesn´t afford you a demi-god status whith built-in entitlement to be universally worshipped as you seem to believe.
Just have a look into the mirror and ask yourself: "What can I contribute to making the USA a great country that people all over the world will respect and love?"
And yes, I believe the United States of America deserved a lot of consolation and joy in a big and happy celebration on independence day, more than ever (and I said so).
I´m not all that certain about Jerkotopia, though.
EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 37 Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 731 times:
For gods sake, do you know on what date England became independent from the romans and finally the vikings (saxons.. whatever)? Do you care?
No!!! And I would especially doubt that someone who would hate america would want to wish it happy independence day!!! This is quite typical, I remember a thread about a year ago where an American was wondering why so many people from the rest of the world got annoyed that some Americans didn't know where everything was, and what everything was, outside their own country. Then, you want us to know what day it is, and congratulate you?
Sorry to be in this tone of voice, I am very happy for America (There is an American where I work, and yesterday we were having a conversation and we agreed that there was no shame in him flying the Stars and stripes on his house that day, and we went for a drink to celebrate afterwards). But it just seems to me that not only are some people content with celebrating, but they want others (who they don't care for anyway) to be happy, and congratulate them on something that means absolutely nothing too them!
Wolfpacker From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 354 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 722 times:
Your correct in the assumption that other nations may or may not know what July 4th means in the United States. However, if a citizen of the United Kingdom posted something about a holiday that is specific to the United Kingdom, I would hope that ALL readers would post congratulations or good cheer.
Skyhawk From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1065 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 691 times:
Wolfpacker, you hit the nail on the head! If someone from England, Germany, or wherever started a conversation that they were proud of their country or of a specific holiday I don't imagine that there would be "put downs" of their countries. Yet if an American writes that they are proud of their country, there are those here that seem to feel it is open season on rude and crude comments. I am very proud to be an American, I get teary eyed when I sing my national anthem, I was devastated on September 11, I am so very proud of our military(yes there have been some terrible mistakes made lately, those I am not proud of) in most cases they have always done thankless jobs around the world and will continue to do so, in our defense.
On a slightly different note, did any of you see the coverage of the Boston Pops on Thursday night? Specifically the little 8 yr. old girl that wrote a musical version of our Pledge of Allegiance. In my opinion, it was wonderful not only because she did do a good job, but also because she had the ability to stand on that stage and sing before millions of people. Congratulations to her!
Clipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 12 Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 669 times:
Ditto skyhawk! Americans are tremendously and overtly proud of their country. So many other overseas citizens are no where near as emotionally tied to their country as Americans are. Case in point, when an American Olympic athlete hears the national anthem, nine times out of ten you will see tears running down their faces as they stand on the gold medal stand. Very rarely you will see this when a non-American stands on the winners podium as their national anthem is played.
Clearly this does not mean that they are any less "patriotic", it just shows the emotional tie to America that Americans always seem to have.
There just does not seem to be that link to ones government and country that Americans always seem to show. There is one notable exception, the French. Play the La Marseillaise, and you will see a few wet French eyes. Again it is the emotional tie.
This brings up a good question, why don't non-Americans show more patriotism to their homeland? Is it that there have been poor examples in the past 100 years, ie: Germany and Japan in WWII, and their fanatical nationalism?
Pacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2699 posts, RR: 8 Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 661 times:
Perhaps the question clipper is why americans insist on showing so much overt emotion reagrding nation and flag, not why the rest of us apparently show so little.
Why this is so I can only speculate of course but there is definitely an aversion in my country to wearing your 'heart on your sleeve' and this applies to many things like sexuality, religion, politics as well as things patriotic.
I would even go as far to say it is considered quite bad manners to do so. personally i get a bit squeemish when people say things like 'I love my country' or 'God bless america'. What is the need to endlessly share this emotion with everyone ?
Clipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 12 Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 644 times:
I don't think we as Americans insist on anything of the sort. It is just part of our heritage and where our country has come from. You mention your country has an aversion to such things, which country is that? Japan? If it is, we know why.
As far as bad manners is concerned we as Americans will always continue to say "I love my country" and "God bless America." It is not bad manners in the U.S. to say such things so why would any foreigner care if we did? Both in this country our theirs. (It has to do with respecting of others cultures and practices. These mere sayings can cause no harm. You are for respecting ones culture are you not?)
It sounds like you are a bit jealous that a group of people no matter what their backgrounds or differences are, can rally around the flag and country. America has proven this time and time again. You get squeamish over that? That is so odd.
I know you have an agenda, I have seen your posts. They are actually quite amusing!
Pacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2699 posts, RR: 8 Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 630 times:
No not Japan although you would be amazed at the amount of flag waving that goes on here. They just do it where others can't see it. Things haven't changed much here really.
I'm actually from NZ and I was just trying to answer your question about why other countries don't go OTT with self love. Having lived in the US believe me there is no jealousy involved.
Have you considered what happens to those who don't join you in your declarations of love of country, flag burners, etc. How tolerated are they ?
What I mean is that there is in fact a demand on Americans to say these things. What it says to me is that your country must have some insecurity regarding it's peoples loyalties.
We all know how you feel personally. What is the reason to continually restate your feelings with never-ending professions God Bless America. Imagine if I was to inject into every post, no matter what the subject, the fact that I am gay or black or Moslem for example. How tedious would that be ?