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Self Gloss: Leaving For The Navy.  
User currently offlinerutley21 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 181 posts, RR: 30
Posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

So about a year ago, I decided that I had some interest in the United States Navy. I go and talk to a recruiter about joining, he gives me some good information and tells me to come back when I have my high school diploma. Well it took that whole year to get my high school diploma. So I go back with it, next is the ASVAB. I go and take the ASVAB and I didn't get a high enough score on it and they tell me to wait a month and then I can retake it. I studied the parts that I did the worst on for the next month. I go back for the second time and I take it and I got a much better score the next time around.

Next I start my processing by going to MEPS. For those who do not know what MEPS is, it stands for Military Entry Processing Station. You do all of your physicals and testing stuff to enter into the Military. So I go there at like 0600, start out with a briefing on how my day is going to be. They gave me tons of paperwork to fill out and what not. So I do a drug test, blood test, and full physical(including the spread your cheeks fun). Then I ate lunch and I got my folder back, only this time it was in a new folder and it said "Navy Enlisted Personnel File". When I saw that, that was probably the happiest point in my life. I finally got into the Navy, which took a lot of work getting into. After that, they took my finger prints for my security clearance and then I swore in and signed my contract.

As of now, I am going in as a Fireman's Apprentice under the Engineering-PACT program. So basically I will be working with all of the Engineering departments, excluding aviation(For now anyways). It's not the job that I wanted, but I'm not complaining. I am thankful for the opportunity that has presented itself in front of me.

I ship out for "Recruit Training Command", aka boot camp, on June 5th 2013. I will spend 9 weeks in Great Lakes, IL for boot camp and then an additional 4 weeks for an engineering course that I have to take. After that I go out into the fleet, I won't know where I'm headed until after I graduate boot camp.

This is a huge stepping stone in my life, specially after the past few years that I've had. They have been pretty bumpy. After I signed my contract, that was the first time I ever felt like crying out of happiness. It was kind of overwhelming really.

But I am ready for what is to come.


End of rant.


Rob

[Edited 2013-03-17 22:57:07]


If you're not willing to give up everything, You've already lost.
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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19408 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3214 times:

Congrats! Now stay safe and thank you for serving.

User currently offlinerutley21 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 181 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3207 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):

Thank you, Ill do my best.

Rob



If you're not willing to give up everything, You've already lost.
User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

How exciting!! Wishing you well. Whenever I think of Navy, I think of Top Gun.. Woof!

Have a safe life and journey!!


User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

Hats off to you for joining the Navy! I hope you have a wonderful experience, pick up new skills and make many close friends. They become your extended family for many years to come.

Again,congratulations.


User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12339 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

Hope you have an enjoyable and productive time in the Navy.

My $0.02: In both military and civvie life, morale is your own responsibility. Sure, they do things that might add or subtract from it, but it's really up to you what to make of it all. If you should let your morale go to crap then it's very hard to get it back to normal, and if you can't, you really will be miserable, so the best thing to do is keep decent morale, be very protective of it, and don't let the whining of others drag yours down.



Inspiration, move me brightly!
User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

Congratulations.

The US military, especially the Navy where I served for 20 years, is an excellent place for a young man or woman to learn and mature.

I hope you have a very successful tour!!!


User currently onlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5358 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

Good luck, fair winds and following seas.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 5):
morale is your own responsibility


True words.



When seconds count...the police are minutes away.
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

Congrats, best of luck and thank you for your service.


And I am disappointed in non-av....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu...hare&list=UUeWkruiHm7NL7OvjPyVshkw

Its SFW.



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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2755 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3087 times:
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Rob congratulations and best of luck to you in the Navy. I'm sure it will be a difficult but rewarding journey! Come back and let us know how you are!
Best of luck and thank you for your service,
Pat



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User currently offlinetxjim From United States of America, joined May 2008, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3075 times:

Congratulations! I would suggest that as opportunities present themself, look at Navy career paths that have post-Navy career options. I work with for a company that has E-6 connections and the majority of the development staff are former crew members. This sort of transition is good for the Navy, good for the company and good for the former Navy professional.

[Edited 2013-03-18 07:23:30]

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7210 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3034 times:

Congrats and keep me posted on FB! If your Navy travels land you in Kanagawa please let me know 


One of the FB admins for PHX Spotters. "Zach the Expat!"
User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3022 times:

Congrats and good luck to you!

One of my best friends just got back from his first sea deployment recently. It's been a tough road to now, but he's kept at it and loves it.

I have a lot of friends in the various branches of the military as well as some family members. Probably my greatest regret in life is that I didn't join the military years ago when I was starting college. I think that, if I had done ROTC, I'd probably be a lot happier with my life now than I am. But, can't really change that now unless I want to do OCS, which seems like a poor choice. If I have a criticism of the military it's that everything is not as it seems with the recruitment process; my friend is being strung along about OCS and I wouldn't want the same thing to happen to me.



Restoring Penn State's transportation heritage...
User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3010 times:

Congrats!

I believe that the Navy is the best Branch to serve in - thought that when I enlisted and I still believe it.

Boot camp for the Navy isn't really that difficult. You are going about the same time of the year I started at Great Lakes - meaning that you will miss all the really harsh weather. The most important part of our training (IMO) was fire fighting.

Since you are going the Engineering route there is no question that you will get Sea Duty - which is actually the main reason for going into the Navy. With luck you will have a lot of opportunities for interesting port calls and I encourage you to enjoy those to the fullest. There is a lot of world outside of the US and your growing awareness of different countries will help mature your opinions on international issues.

Most of all, have a great (and safe) time!


User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12339 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3010 times:

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 8):
And I am disappointed in non-av....

Oh yeah, the cargo bay filled with people who care!



In your honor, I selected a USN aircraft: Sikorsky MH-53E Sea Dragon (S-65E/80)!  



Inspiration, move me brightly!
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2979 times:

rutley21:
Congrats!   
Sounds like you have a good plan lined up.



Quoting rutley21 (Thread starter):
I will spend 9 weeks in Great Lakes, IL

You'll be near Great America too.  


Say hello to these guys when you're in.




Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1628 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

Grats man!! Maybe I will see you on a ship one of these years :P

I just applied for OCS in the Marines so I have to take the ASVAB in a week. Im graduating college at 27 and I have to get a special waver from the board just to go to OCS. I haven't done any math for like 10 years, although I have been studying for the last 2 months.

Stay safe and good luck!!



Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an unlicensed pharmacist
User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7824 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2894 times:

Quoting rutley21 (Thread starter):
It's not the job that I wanted, but I'm not complaining.

That's good (the not complaining part), as others have said, you can have the best time or the worst time based on your attitude. Not going to be on a ship but it's a small Navy, maybe see ya around  



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12339 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Say hello to these guys when you're in.

Hope they don't ask him to have some:

Quoting rutley21 (Thread starter):
spread your cheeks fun

  



Inspiration, move me brightly!
User currently offlinerutley21 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 181 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2851 times:

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 3):
Quoting comorin (Reply 4):
Quoting Revelation (Reply 5):
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 6):
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 7):
Quoting DesertJets (Reply 8):
Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 9):
Quoting txjim (Reply 10):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
Quoting cjg225 (Reply 12):
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 13):
Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):
Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Quoting flanker (Reply 16):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 17):

Thank you everyone for all of the positive feedback.

All of the positivity that I have gotten from my decision to join, not just from you but from everyone that I know, makes me strive to be the most successful person that I can possibly be. It's really a great feeling. All of it is very overwhelming as well, but it is definitely worth it.

For anyone that knows me, the past 5 years have been extremely difficult and very challenging. But every time something challenging happens to me, I manage to get back up even more strong than I was before.

So here's to the next 4 years of my life and all of the positive things to come my way.

Once again, I appreciate all of your feedback. It truly means a lot.


Rob



If you're not willing to give up everything, You've already lost.
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 18):
Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Say hello to these guys when you're in.

Hope they don't ask him to have some:

Quoting rutley21 (Thread starter):
spread your cheeks fun


Make that a double  Wow!  Wow!
Not sure if rutley21 is old enough to know what the Village People were about.  



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7824 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
Not sure if rutley21 is old enough to know what the Village People were about.  

Well let's educate him 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw

A great way to start any Navy day  



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlinegocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4338 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

Congrats Rutley.

I've been in coming 11 years now. If you have any questions, send me a PM. If you get a chance to go overseas, do it. I love every bit of it. I've been living overseas for 7 consecutive years, going on 10 years if I get the job I want and making 3 times the money I am making in the US and of course, the lifestyle is great. Best of luck.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 13):
I believe that the Navy is the best Branch to serve in

Very true. We are the only branch that is still currently using tuition assistance.



[Edited 2013-03-19 02:13:40]

User currently offlinestarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2763 times:

From another retired sailor (AT) congrats, be safe, and have fun.

Someone sent me this a few weeks ago and I thought it was great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dyuz1BUNzc


User currently offlineSmittyone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

Rutley;

If you'll take some free advice: SHOW UP IN SHAPE! Nothing spectacular, just stuff like running, pushups and situps (and swimming obviously).

I can't tell you how much of a difference it makes to be fit when you get to training. You're going to be so damned tired all the time anyway (hardest thing about any basic training program to be honest) and if you are not struggling to keep up with your day, failing the fitness test or dealing with sports injuries you will be so much better off.

You have a couple of months left so use them wisely.

And don't smoke pot the weekend before you ship out 


User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12339 posts, RR: 25
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

Congrats to Rutley and all of our former and current service people here on A.Net!

I appreciate your service, and I hope you do/did enjoy your time in the service!



Inspiration, move me brightly!
User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Quoting Smittyone (Reply 24):
You have a couple of months left so use them wisely.

Might acquainted with Brasso and how to put a really nice shine on leather shoes.

I don't know how things are now days, but getting really good with a steam iron is also a good idea. (From what I have read, however, the new digital uniforms are a blend and not pure cotton. Easier on the ironing, but dangerous around a fire. Maybe they will go back to the traditional uniforms and you can discover the Seafarer work uniforms.)


User currently offlinekingairta From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2649 times:

Don't worry about swimming all that much. The only ones who have to worry about how well they can swim are those who go into Spec Ops, Flight, Diving etc. A fireman who is going to do the typical engineering work doesn't do all that much swimming. If you can't swim they will teach you enough so you don't drown. About 20% of those in my company couldn't swim. They all were taught and graduated on time. Get your self in shape if you are not. You'll want to be able to run a mile and a half in under 11:30 before you get there. If you can do that you'll have no issues with the physical part in boot.

I can't comment on much more I went to Boot 22 years ago in San Diego. I know it's quite different now.

As a Fireman don't expect much work in the aviation side of things unless your sent TAD.

On a side note the guy who is 27 applying for OCS and needs a waiver don't get your hopes up. With recruitment numbers down and the high volume of applicants waivers to get in as a rule are not given at this time. But that doesn't mean they won't be given but it's very unlikely.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Quoting kingairta (Reply 27):
I can't comment on much more I went to Boot 22 years ago in San Diego

That comment made me think about how long ago I went in. It was May 66 so that puts me at 46 years ago that I went to Great lakes. Things have obviously changed - for our arms training we were allowed 5 rounds for a 22 rifle. I think there was probably concerns about us having even that much ammunition!

Quoting kingairta (Reply 27):
You'll want to be able to run a mile and a half in under 11:30 before you get there.

Things have definitely changed - there were kids in my company who couldn't even walk that far downhill when they first arrived. I think we might have run a couple of times - but only because we were late for a meal.         


User currently offlinekingairta From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 28):
That comment made me think about how long ago I went in. It was May 66 so that puts me at 46 years ago that I went to Great lakes. Things have obviously changed - for our arms training we were allowed 5 rounds for a 22 rifle. I think there was probably concerns about us having even that much ammunition!

In 91 we shot two magazines through a 1911 converted to .22lr. That was the extent of our arms training lol. Once I got to aircrew school we shot about 30 rounds of .380 because that would be the weapon in our survival vests.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2610 times:

Quoting kingairta (Reply 29):
That was the extent of our arms training lol.

I don't believe that the Navy traditionally trusted sailors with anything smaller than a 5 incher. Except for the combat medics who were issued a 45.


User currently offlinekingairta From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

Oh when I went through we didn't use irons in boot camp. Not enough time in the day to worry about it.

The NWUs require no ironing. They come out of the dryer wrinkle free.

I never understood the backwash those uniforms are receiving. Sure they are not traditional but they are leaps and bounds better then the traditional dungarees and even better then the gas station attendant uniform we were saddled with in between the dungarees and the NWUs.

I still wear the pants in my civie job working on locomotives. They have held up great and really hide the stains lol.


User currently offlinesprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2573 times:

As a Navy Vet, let me say congrats, good choice.

Quoting rutley21 (Thread starter):
I am going in as a Fireman's Apprentice

So you are going to be a snipe---ewwww. I was a twigit (E.T.). It's going to be hot, smelly, never see the light of day type of job. More power to ya.  
Quoting rutley21 (Thread starter):
I will spend 9 weeks in Great Lakes, IL for boot camp and then an additional 4 weeks for an engineering course that I have to take.

Did boot camp in Orlando, stayed another 6 weeks there doing B.E.E. school before getting sent to Great Mistakes for ET "A" school.

Quoting kingairta (Reply 27):
I went to Boot 22 years ago in San Diego. I know it's quite different now.
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 28):
. It was May 66 so that puts me at 46 years ago that I went to Great lakes.

I went to boot in May of 1985, God was it that long ago? Seems like yesterday that I was scared Sh!tless getting my head shaved.

Quoting kingairta (Reply 29):
In 91 we shot two magazines through a 1911 converted to .22lr. That was the extent of our arms training lol.

That's what we did in 85. All in one day, then 2 weeks doing DC and ship-board firefighting.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 30):
Except for the combat medics who were issued a 45.

The POOW actually carried .45's on Quarterdeck watch(two clips--in the pouch, not in the weapon). And overseas, the OOD carried a .45, The POOW Carried a .45, and the MOOW carried an M-14. All with clips inserted, but no round chambered--sop for my ship.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 26):
Might acquainted with Brasso and how to put a really nice shine on leather shoes.

I was going to add cherry bug juice works wonders on the brass fire nozzles, but they have done away with them.  
Quoting kingairta (Reply 31):
I never understood the backwash those uniforms are receiving.

One of those "DONT MESS WITH TRADITION" things. They still have 13 buttons on the dress blues? I do question why they need the words "US NAVY" on the working uniforms. But I guess if you look like all the other services, you need to tell people what branch. God, the memories that are flooding back, a separate washing machine in the barracks just for dyeing the dungarees, those damn stencil pens, iron on crows ETC, ETC..

Quoting rutley21 (Thread starter):

Proud that you chose my service, It is what you make it. It is one of those experiences that you will never forget, good and bad. The shipmates that you will befriend, you will never forget, the fun that you will have, you will never repeat, and the life lessons learned will stay with you even after they put six feet of dirt over you.

Dan in Jupiter ET US Navy 1985-1991, served onboard the USS Flatley(FFG-21) and the USS Fidelity(MSO-443)


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

Quoting sprout5199 (Reply 32):
The POOW actually carried .45's on Quarterdeck watch(two clips--in the pouch, not in the weapon). And overseas, the OOD carried a .45, The POOW Carried a .45, and the MOOW carried an M-14. All with clips inserted, but no round chambered--sop for my ship.

Amazing the difference time makes. In the mid to late '60s our POOWs didn't carry weapons, including when we were in Hong Kong - when the Red Guard was active. We did have MARDET on board and they stood watches wit .45's for the doors to the missile prep areas. But only when we were in a combat zone. And this was on the LONG BEACH - a nuke powered, guided missile cruiser.

Quoting kingairta (Reply 31):
The NWUs require no ironing. They come out of the dryer wrinkle free.

I never understood the backwash those uniforms are receiving.

Cotton (or wool) uniforms are superior to blends or plastic uniforms when fighting fires on ships. Plastic melts and cotton is far more protective in a fire fighting situation. And everyone on a hip is a "fire fighter'. Cute "digital" blended fabric uniforms is fine for those who are not on sea duty, but sea duty needs to be addressed more intelligently.

BTW, cotton uniforms are also more comfortable for the engineering spaces. Blends are hotter in hot spaces - another reason for the cute new uniforms being a dumb idea.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7824 posts, RR: 52
Reply 34, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

Quoting kingairta (Reply 29):
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 30):

Laugh all you want at your measly .22s, all I "shot" in OCS was one of those M-9s connected to the air pressure system for recoil and shot lasers at a screen  

Still not sure how accurate it all was



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlinekingairta From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2548 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 33):
Cute "digital" blended fabric uniforms is fine for those who are not on sea duty, but sea duty needs to be addressed more intelligently.

And it has there is a new one coming out called type III iirc. Different fabric slightly different cut. You would think all the testing they did on the type Is they would have got it right lol.

Quoting sprout5199 (Reply 32):
They still have 13 buttons on the dress blues? I do question why they need the words "US NAVY" on the working uniforms. But I guess if you look like all the other services, you need to tell people what branch. God, the memories that are flooding back, a separate washing machine in the barracks just for dyeing the dungarees, those damn stencil pens, iron on crows ETC, ETC..

Yes the Blues still have 13 buttons. But they are being modified as we speak. They will retain the 13 buttons but they will be decoration only. The new trousers will have some type of zipper system making them easier to put on and take off. Also the Whites are being changed as well to be more of a negative image of the blues. The sleaves will be cuffed and blue piping will be added where the blues have white.

Those old dungarees were the most unproffessional uniform I ever saw. With the myriad of ways putting a crow on the sleeve from an iron on patch that didn't fade the same as the blouse, a stencil pen and stencil, a direct iron on transfer or if you had money embroidered. Line up for uniform inspection and you would see an awful mess because of all the varieties that were authorized. Then having to deal with the fading ohh my. I'll never forget marching to A school in the rain getting back to the barracks and finding my socks and underwear were died blue from the trousers bleeding in the water just from the rain. Then you get those old salty guys who thought they were above uniform regs and would wear their trousers until they were a lighter shade of blue then their blouse. You can call the NWU "cute" all you want but it is hands down a much better uniform then the dungarees ever were.

Oh and to the OP. Once your out of "school" and into your first command don't expect to work much in what you learned. Expect to be sent TAD to some other dept like the galley, laundry etc. etc. For your first six months or so. Also get ready to clean a lot of toilets and get real use to running a mop and a buffer.


User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1302 posts, RR: 3
Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

I see the Village People has made an appearance, but nobody has mentioned the golden rivet yet.


From receips and radials over straight pipes to big fans - been there, done that, got the hearing defects to prove
User currently offlinesprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 37, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

Quoting kingairta (Reply 35):
Then you get those old salty guys who thought they were above uniform regs and would wear their trousers until they were a lighter shade of blue then their blouse.

That's me.   But in my defense and all the other "old salts" when on a six month deployment, there is no way to dye them.

Quoting kingairta (Reply 35):
finding my socks and underwear were died blue from the trousers bleeding in the water just from the rain.

BTDT. And when dyeing your dungarees, you need two packs Rit blue and one pack Rit black to get the right shade.

Quoting kingairta (Reply 35):
Expect to be sent TAD to some other dept like the galley, laundry etc. etc. For your first six months or so. Also get ready to clean a lot of toilets and get real use to running a mop and a buffer.

Don't forget the needle gun. When I got to my ship I did 30 days as a mess crank(was a ET3 (E-4)), and after I made ET2, did 3 months as mess deck MAA.

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 36):
I see the Village People has made an appearance, but nobody has mentioned the golden rivet yet.

Don't get me started on the stuff we pulled, like when going under a bridge, sending a boot to get the Captains Crank from the XO to lower the mast.

Dan in Jupiter


User currently offlinekingairta From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

Quoting sprout5199 (Reply 37):
That's me. But in my defense and all the other "old salts" when on a six month deployment, there is no way to dye them.

My experience was with a shore based squadron where there was no excuse  

By the way I did 20 years and the only ship I stepped foot on was a cruiser in Mayport FL to take a look at while we waited for our rental car.


User currently offlinesprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 39, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

Quoting kingairta (Reply 38):
By the way I did 20 years and the only ship I stepped foot on was a cruiser in Mayport FL to take a look at while we waited for our rental car.

That's where I was stationed, 87-91.

Dan in Jupiter


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19408 posts, RR: 58
Reply 40, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

Quoting sprout5199 (Reply 37):
Don't get me started on the stuff we pulled, like when going under a bridge, sending a boot to get the Captains Crank from the XO to lower the mast.

Oh no. Is that one of those "left-handed monkey wrench" gags?


User currently offlinesprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 41, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 40):
Oh no. Is that one of those "left-handed monkey wrench" gags?

Yep, and if the XO is in a good mood, he sends the boot to CHENG to get it and CHENG sends him to.....AHH the fun we had(of course I never got fooled   ).

Between all the services, I would say the Navy is the best just for the fact after boot camp, you really don't march very much, and don't live in tents.

Dan in Jupiter


User currently offlineKBOS From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Congrats Rutley21!


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(I'm the guy who looks like Steve Martin)



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User currently offlinekingairta From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

I guess in the new age of no hazing sending a boot to get a bosun punch is out.

User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 44, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2280 times:

Quoting kingairta (Reply 35):
You would think all the testing they did on the type Is they would have got it right lol.

My hope is that budget sequestration will close that office down and we can go back to traditional uniforms.

Quoting kingairta (Reply 35):
The sleaves will be cuffed and blue piping will be added where the blues have white.

Isn't that cute. How many millions did it cost to come up with that idea?

And what will the changeover costs be for the sailors?

Clearly a target for sequestration cuts.

Quoting kingairta (Reply 35):
Expect to be sent TAD to some other dept like the galley, laundry etc. etc. For your first six months or so. Also get ready to clean a lot of toilets and get real use to running a mop and a buffer.

Ship's service can be a lot of fun - and the jobs have to be done.

And if there are a lot of new boots you can expect greasy pork chops on the first day at sea?

Quoting sprout5199 (Reply 37):
And when dyeing your dungarees, you need two packs Rit blue and one pack Rit black to get the right shade.

We never thought about dyeing them. If they faded it was no big deal. Considering that they were designed to be work uniforms there was no need for them to match in shading. We had Whites & Blues for that.


User currently offlinestarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 45, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2271 times:

The new 'Navy Times' has an article from the new MCPON that does away with all hazing, from 'WOG' day to chief initiation. Wonder if that includes the little pranks listed above, plus have someone go get 100 feet of "flight line" or some "relative bearing grease" etc

User currently offlinekingairta From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 44):
My hope is that budget sequestration will close that office down and we can go back to traditional uniforms.

That will never happen. It would cost more to revert then to keep.

Dungarees were horrible uniforms. Tradition or not. Keep the tradition in the dress uniforms not the working uniforms.

I was happy to replace two uniforms with one when they got rid of the working whites and winter blues. I hated those working whites. Worst uniform ever.


User currently offlinesprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 47, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

Quoting starbuk7 (Reply 45):
The new 'Navy Times' has an article from the new MCPON that does away with all hazing, from 'WOG' day to chief initiation

You're kidding me. He must have been a wus and gotten picked on when he was a non-rate. And people wonder why his country is going to hell in a hand basket. I was PROUD of my bruise that went from shoulder to elbow, all the way around my arm when my second class crow was tacked on. First guy to hit me was the CO as he was a mustang.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 44):
We never thought about dyeing them. If they faded it was no big deal. Considering that they were designed to be work uniforms there was no need for them to match in shading.

Dyeing was just for school commands, after getting to my ship, never dyed them again.

Dan in Jupiter


User currently offlinestarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 48, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

Quoting sprout5199 (Reply 47):
He must have been a wus and gotten picked on when he was a non-rate.


In the article he talks about going through chief initiation and having to eat things (like balut) and being ridiculed so it does sound like he was a wus and wants to change things. Tradition is Tradition and to me should not be change. WOG day and getting your crows tacked on as well as being sent on "wild goose chases" so to speak were a great part of being in the Navy and should be maintained IMHO.


User currently offlinekingairta From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

Quoting sprout5199 (Reply 47):
bruise that went from shoulder to elbow, all the way around my arm when my second class crow was tacked on.

That is a classic example of taking things too far.

I would really like to know when "tacking on a crow" went from literally sewing on a crow of a shipmate to command authorized beatings?

I too had all my crows "tacked" on and my wings as well. You don't have to inflict bodily harm to maintain traditions.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 50, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Quoting starbuk7 (Reply 45):
The new 'Navy Times' has an article from the new MCPON that does away with all hazing,

What about pollywogs? Are they forever denied the rights to become Sellbacks? I take great pride in that certificate as I certainly went through a lot to earn it. Certainly the Navy isn't stopping that traditional initiation ceremony. :


User currently offlinekingairta From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 50):
Certainly the Navy isn't stopping that traditional initiation ceremony. :

That has been watered down big time long before this new MCPON. To the point it no longer resembles anything like it did just 20 years ago.

Tailhook was the beginning of the end for any and all types of "hazing".


User currently offlinestarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 52, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 50):
What about pollywogs? Are they forever denied the rights to become Sellbacks?


Yep, that makes me even more proud of my 1982 Shellback certificate from the U.S.S Midway. Got to do two polywog initiations on the Midway after that before I transferred.

The initiation slowly decreased in what you could do but on my 1996 Nimitz cruise which was my first cruise with women on board the initiation was so watered down, (you could not touch anyone, no foreign fluids, etc etc) it was totally worthless to me that these people were getting certificates without going through hardly anything.

Our Navy as we knew it is long gone!!


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 53, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

Quoting starbuk7 (Reply 52):
it was totally worthless to me that these people were getting certificates without going through hardly anything.

No Tunnel of Love? No Kissing The Baby's Belly? No fire hoses - either cut up in 3 foot sections or in whole with water "flowing through" them?

How sad.


User currently offlinej.mo From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

Good luck Rutley!

Golden Shellback here. Crossed in 1994 from Australia to Hawaii. I was an OS on the USS Arkansas. Loved it!

JM



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User currently offlinesprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 55, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 50):
What about pollywogs? Are they forever denied the rights to become Sellbacks?
Quoting starbuk7 (Reply 52):
Yep, that makes me even more proud of my 1982 Shellback certificate from the U.S.S Midway


I sadly will be a lowly WOG for life   as the one chance we had was in 1987 in the Indian ocean, however we had to get our asses into the Persian Gulf to out chop with the Stark after she was hit. Nobody complained as getting our sister ship home was more important.

Quoting kingairta (Reply 49):
That is a classic example of taking things too far.


I disagree, as none of the individual hits was bad, just a whole lot of them.

Quoting kingairta (Reply 49):
command authorized beatings?


Which served its purpose, as the respect that was earned and given that day, reinforced the camaraderie onboard my ship. Knowing this, I knew that no matter who was #1 hoseman behind me entering a main space fire, they would watch over me and I them. Thats what the Traditions are for, to show that the guy next to you is a shipmate, not just some guy.

Rutley, enjoy your time in.

Dan in Jupiter


User currently offlinekingairta From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

Quoting sprout5199 (Reply 55):
Which served its purpose, as the respect that was earned and given that day, reinforced the camaraderie onboard my ship. Knowing this, I knew that no matter who was #1 hoseman behind me entering a main space fire, they would watch over me and I them. Thats what the Traditions are for, to show that the guy next to you is a shipmate, not just some guy.

I'm sorry but I'll have to disagree with you there. I have had the pleasure of serving over the time period of two different views on this. The camaraderie was not any different when the over zealous tacking of a crow on was banned and when it was accepted. The only issue was those who did the hits felt slighted that they didn't get the opportunity to return the favor.
Call it being soft or what ever you want. I will tell you though I got more respect and camaraderie from junior sailors for supplying them with their first set of crows for their uniforms then I did by punching them in the arm.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7824 posts, RR: 52
Reply 57, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

Well I'm all for tradition, but some people really do take it too far. The COs should keep better control and make sure things don't get out of hand, but sadly, in this sue-happy world, I can see why the MCPON is doing this...

It'll probably continue to happen anyway, it'll just force people to stay even more careful



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlinekingairta From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day ago) and read 1992 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 57):
The COs should keep better control and make sure things don't get out of hand,

Unfortunately that is what directly lead to the situation we have today.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 59, posted (1 year 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 1988 times:

Quoting kingairta (Reply 58):
Unfortunately that is what directly lead to the situation we have today.

I have ben stunned at the number of CO firings over the past couple of years. It started in a public way when the first woman to command a warship was relieved - much to the celebration of the crew.

What is hard for me to understand is how sub-par officers actually get a command. The competition for a ship has to be fierce these days. I served during the days of a 600 ship Navy and my CO's were outstanding. All made Admiral and my XO on the Long Beach made CNO.

One would think that the Navy would be able to separate the wheat from the chaff by the time an Officer (or Graduating Class) is eligible for a Command position. The only good thing is that the Navy appears to be acting pretty fast when issues become known.


User currently offlinekingairta From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

I think those in the past had a lot more leaway. Rumors didn't spread as fast and as a result things were swept under the rug a whole lot more.

User currently offline76794p From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 349 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 59):
my CO's were outstanding. All made Admiral and my XO on the Long Beach made CNO.

Who was your XO



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 62, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

Quoting 76794p (Reply 61):
Who was your XO

James D. Watkins.

He got his 4th stripe while serving as XO.

Here is a link which shows the caliber of Officers I was exposed to in the Navy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_D._Watkins


User currently offline76794p From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 349 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1894 times:

Ken,
I know the Long Beach was nuclear powered cruiser. What was it like being on it? How was it different than any other ship you were on?



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User currently offlinestarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 64, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

Quoting 76794p (Reply 63):
I know the Long Beach was nuclear powered cruiser. What was it like being on it? How was it different than any other ship you were on?


The major difference I noticed between the two CVA's I was on (USS Midway and USS Constellation) and the three CVN's I was on (USS Nimitz, USS Lincoln, and USS Stennis) was the the Nuc ships did not have cockroaches.

The Midway was an experience in itself as it was a much smaller carrier that the others, the Conny and the Nuc's seemed to ride pretty much the same in the ocean as they were close to the same size. The Nuc's seemed to be cleaner all around as well but they were also newer ships and did not have the time to get worn down and dirty yet.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 65, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

Quoting 76794p (Reply 63):
What was it like being on it?

The Long Beach was a grand ship, even for someone just out of boot camp. It was larger than the DDGs, which gave more space for personnel to move around, etc.

Because the Long Beach was a missile ship (with two 5" guns amidship added, probably as an after thought) we didn't have the traditional gunfire support other ships had. We did drop two MIG 21's at about 70 miles, but basically the focus was on CIC operations.

The Snipes were also a bit different than what you traditionally see in the Navy. Not only had they gone through a year's worth of specialized training, but they were continually re-qualifying at various reactor "levels" - and they always had their qualifying cards in their pockets - they clearly lived in a different world.

Quoting 76794p (Reply 63):
How was it different than any other ship you were on?

Nuclear power had one huge impact on those serving on her - less concerned about water usage. Periodically the Engineering Officer would put a note in the Plan of the Day, asking people to cut back on the Hollywood showers. Generally that happened when usage exceeded 65 gallons per person per day for more than a few days. Since the reactors recycled their water the evaporators had significant unused capacity. We were able to transfer water to a DD that was our escort on station without worrying about our showers. IIRC, we were also able to take care of the DD's laundry while their vaps were being fixed.

Nuclear power also allowed for long distance steaming without stopping for fuel. On our first two deployments we would Leave Long Beach and head to Hawaii at a pretty high speed. After a few days there it was direct to WestPac with no slowing down. We could also generate power (and speed) as fast as the rods could be pushed down - which is why we never lost in the Tonkin Gulf Drag Races.

Because we were a nuke we were not able to go to Japan for R&R, which opened the door for R&R in Sydney instead. That was pretty nice. On my other ship (a DDG) we made multiple visits to Japan and I really appreciated that.


User currently offline76794p From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 349 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

Thanks Ken. I love naval history so it is great to learn from someone who experienced it first hand. The idea of nuclear CG and DDG were interesting I thing we should made the Burke's bigger and made then DDGN's.


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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 67, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

Quoting 76794p (Reply 66):
The idea of nuclear CG and DDG were interesting I thing we should made the Burke's bigger and made then DDGN's.

The challenge of nukes is costs and how long the various technologies installed will be effective. The DDG I was on (Cochrane DDG 21) was powerful in delivering gunfire support from the 5" 54's and was able to be updated on the electronics side at a reasonable cost. The challenge for the Long Beach was maintaining current technologies. The Talos missiles were removed and the Talos prep room was turned into a gym in later years.

If you like Naval history you will probably enjoy reading about the Battle of Brandon Bay, which the Cochrane participated in after I left.

Google Battle of Brandon Bay for YouTube

or read the basic narrative at

http://www.usscochrane.org/index.php...tent&view=article&id=131&Itemid=76


User currently offlinedaedaeg From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 68, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1738 times:

Quoting rutley21 (Thread starter):
I ship out for "Recruit Training Command", aka boot camp, on June 5th 2013. I will spend 9 weeks in Great Lakes, IL for boot camp and then an additional 4 weeks for an engineering course that I have to take. After that I go out into the fleet, I won't know where I'm headed until after I graduate boot camp.

Oh wow, my nephew starts his Navy boot camp on the same day. Congrats and wish you the best of luck.



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