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F1 2013: Malaysian Grand Prix  
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2812 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4291 times:

No rest for the F1 circus! After the conclusion of the Australian GP last weekend, teams are already in Sepang for the 15th edition of the Malaysian GP.

Sepang International Circuit

http://drivesafely.allianz.com/static/sites/default/images/2013/Frontend_Circuit_Graphics/02_Malaysia_E_72DPI.png_843180934.png


Lap data

Lap length: 5.543 km
Race laps: 56
Race distance: 310.408 km
Pole position: Right-hand side of the track
Lap record: 1’34.223 (211.783 kph) by Juan Pablo Montoya, 2004
Fastest lap: 1’32.582 (215.536 kph) by Fernando Alonso, 2005
Maximum speed: 303 kph
DRS zone/s (race): Pit straight and final straight
Distance from grid to turn one: 660m


Car performance

Full throttle: 65%
Longest flat-out section: 1029 m
Downforce level: High
Gear changes per lap: 52
Fuel use per lap: 2.4 kg
Time penalty per lap of fuel: 0.096s


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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7250 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4281 times:

I'd like to see Kimi win this one too!

I like the sanity that's been so evident in the F1 posts now that MadameC has stopped posting.


User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2753 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4273 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 1):

I'd like to see Kimi win this one too!

Aghh! I wanna see a Ferrari win! just like last year´s season start where they had 6 different winners on the first races, anyhow I am quite happy with the progress of the Ferrari and I hope we get to see another exciting race, Sepang is usually a tough race (if its not unbearably hot and humid, it is pouring down) so let´s see what the weather brings for the race.

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 2):
so let´s see what the weather brings for the race

There is always a high possibility of rain in Malaysia, which would be interesting for the race!

Also, the temperature will be a lot warmer than in Australia, so it might shuffle things around regarding tyre performance. Some teams who struggled with their tyres in Australia because of a "cold" track temp might be better in Sepang. Red Bull comes to mind.



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User currently onlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1533 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4218 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 3):
There is always a high possibility of rain in Malaysia, which would be interesting for the race!

If the whole race is in the rain, I'd imagine we would see a finish much like the wet sessions in Australia. Wouldn't mind seeing Nico win again.

-DiamondFlyer

[Edited 2013-03-21 14:31:57]

User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 2):
just like last year´s season start where they had 6 different winners on the first races

My gut feeling is that we won't see that much variety at the front this year. The regulations were largely unchanged, meaning that the top teams with the larger budgets will be able to further widen the gap to the smaller outfits. Even though tyre wear remains an issue that some teams struggle with, most likely we will see Red Bull, Ferrari, and Lotus leading most races with Mercedes and McLaren picking up the odd victory.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 3):
There is always a high possibility of rain in Malaysia, which would be interesting for the race!

For this very reason I'm adding three hours to the DVR recording schedule...I've watched quite a few Malaysian GPs that didn't quite stick to the scheduled time!


User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4176 times:

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 5):
My gut feeling is that we won't see that much variety at the front this year. The regulations were largely unchanged, meaning that the top teams with the larger budgets will be able to further widen the gap to the smaller outfits. Even though tyre wear remains an issue that some teams struggle with, most likely we will see Red Bull, Ferrari, and Lotus leading most races with Mercedes and McLaren picking up the odd victory.

And it will most likely be between Alonso, Kimi and Vettel.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8442 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 6):

if that's the case go Kimi. #anyonebutvettel


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4118 times:

Free practice 1:

1 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'36.935
2 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'37.003
3 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'37.104
4 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'37.319
5 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'37.588
6 A Sutil (GER) Force India 1'37.769
7 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'37.771
8 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'37.773
9 LC Hamilton (GBR) Mercedes 1'37.840
10 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'37.915
11 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'38.173
12 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'38.673
13 S Perez (MEX) McLaren 1'38.830
14 N Hülkenberg (GER) Sauber 1'39.054
15 E Gutiérrez (MEX) Sauber 1'39.204
16 V Bottas (FIN) Williams 1'39.208
17 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'39.284
18 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'39.567
19 G van der Garde (NED) Caterham 1'40.728
20 J Bianchi (FRA) Marussia 1'40.996
21 C Pic (FRA) Caterham 1'41.163
22 M Chilton (GBR) Marussia 1'41.513


Free practice 2:

1 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'36.569
2 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'36.588
3 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'36.661
4 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'36.985
5 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'37.026
6 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'37.206
7 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'37.448
8 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'37.571
9 LC Hamilton (GBR) Mercedes 1'37.574
10 A Sutil (GER) Force India 1'37.788
11 S Perez (MEX) McLaren 1'37.838
12 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'37.865
13 N Hülkenberg (GER) Sauber 1'38.068
14 E Gutiérrez (MEX) Sauber 1'38.645
15 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'38.738
16 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'38.801
17 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'38.904
18 J Bianchi (FRA) Marussia 1'39.508
19 V Bottas (FIN) Williams 1'39.660
20 C Pic (FRA) Caterham 1'40.757
21 G van der Garde (NED) Caterham 1'40.768
22 M Chilton (GBR) Marussia 1'41.438

Kimi was the fastest on Friday
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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4098 times:
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 8):
Kimi was the fastest on Friday

Still early days, but the Lotus is looking extremely quick. Raikkonen could be in for an extremely competitive season.



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User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4051 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 6):
And it will most likely be between Alonso, Kimi and Vettel.

You are probably right! Those are my three top drivers and, to be honest, I'd be happy to see any of them win the title this year.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 9):
Still early days, but the Lotus is looking extremely quick. Raikkonen could be in for an extremely competitive season.

And it would be a great season if we could listen to his radio for the entire race!


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4000 times:
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Vettel tops the chart for both P3 and Qualifying. It was a rather interesting qualifying session with the rain coming towards the end of Q2 mixing things up. Strange to see that the Red Bulls were off the pace until the rain came - even Vettel admitted that had it not been wet he wouldn't have been able to get pole.

The ever present storm is forecast for tomorrow, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

Practice 3 results:

Pos Driver Team Time Gap Laps
1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m36.435 20
2. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1m36.568s + 0.133s 17
3. Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1m36.588s + 0.153s 19
4. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m36.613s + 0.178s 20
5. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m36.806s + 0.371s 19
6. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m36.807s + 0.372s 18
7. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m36.822s + 0.387s 16
8. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m36.946s + 0.511s 14
9. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m36.949s + 0.514s 24
10. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m37.302s + 0.867s 14
11. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m37.359s + 0.924s 11
12. Sergio Perez McLaren-Mercedes 1m37.538s + 1.103s 12
13. Nico Hulkenberg Sauber-Ferrari 1m37.685s + 1.250s 23
14. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m37.690s + 1.255s 14
15. Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1m37.936s + 1.501s 16
16. Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 1m38.294s + 1.859s 17
17. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m38.376s + 1.941s 16
18. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m38.425s + 1.990s 15
19. Charles Pic Caterham-Renault 1m38.995s + 2.560s 18
20. Jules Bianchi Marussia-Cosworth 1m39.717s + 3.282s 21
21. Giedo van der Garde Caterham-Renault 1m40.209s + 3.774s 18
22. Max Chilton Marussia-Cosworth 1m40.495s + 4.060s 18

Qualifying results:

Pos Driver Team Time Gap
1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m49.674s
2. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m50.587s + 0.913s
3. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m50.727s + 1.053s
4. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1m51.699s + 2.025s
5. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m52.244s + 2.570s
6. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m52.519s + 2.845s
7. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m52.970s + 3.296s
8. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m53.175s + 3.501s
9. Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1m53.439s + 3.765s
10. Sergio Perez McLaren-Mercedes 1m54.136s + 4.462s
Q2 cut-off time: 1m37.342s Gap **
11. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m37.636s + 1.446s
12. Nico Hulkenberg Sauber-Ferrari 1m38.125s + 1.935s
13. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m38.822s + 2.632s
14. Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 1m39.221s + 3.031s
15. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m44.509s + 8.319s
16. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault no time
Q1 cut-off time: 1m37.931s Gap *
17. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m38.157s + 1.348s
18. Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1m38.207s + 1.398s
19. Jules Bianchi Marussia-Cosworth 1m38.434s + 1.625s
20. Charles Pic Caterham-Renault 1m39.314s + 2.505s
21. Max Chilton Marussia-Cosworth 1m39.672s + 2.863s
22. Giedo van der Garde Caterham-Renault 1m39.932s + 3.123s



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User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3986 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 11):

Wow, has Massa got his act together, or what?

Hopefully he will be able to carry on like this for the rest of the season.



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5688 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 3936 times:
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Disclaimer.. This is not an Anti Ferrari rant!!
I would say this about any team that made this call.

They should have their F1 license suspended.. or cancelled!!

Letting FA pass the pit entrance with such an obviously failed front wing was stupid at best, criminal more likely.
That sort of failure kills people and it is only good luck that the situation ended as benignly as it did

End rant!

LH .. needs to take a good look at his pay cheque and commit to memory who pays him.. pulling into the McLaren pit is a fail that many will not let him forget soon

[Edited 2013-03-24 02:16:40]


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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 3927 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 13):
Letting FA pass the pit entrance with such an obviously failed front wing was stupid at best, criminal more likely.

Was still amusing to watch though  

So whose decision was it? Commentary from the pits on NBCsports suggested Ferrari were ready and waiting in pit lane and it may have been Alonso's decision to stay out another lap so he could swap the nose and put on slicks.


User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2753 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 13):

I wouldn't go as far as to remove their licence, maybe an investigation, I do agree it was a stupid move, he should have gone in to replace the nose, specially knowing that the aerodynamic loads would make mince meat of it.

Funny watching HAM going into the Macca boxes LOL! hey guys howareya....

Stupid move by Vettel on Webber, some strong words at the end of the race!

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User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2753 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

Akward podium "celebration" you could cut the tension with a knife!

MIAspotter



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 3882 times:
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Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 15):
Funny watching HAM going into the Macca boxes LOL! hey guys howareya....

Yes, that was hilarious! Best moment of the race for me.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 15):
Stupid move by Vettel on Webber, some strong words at the end of the race!

Strongly disagree that it was stupid.

Team orders suck, period. I don't care which driver it's for or against, there shouldn't be any team orders unless and until one driver is mathematically out of the running for the championship. All 22 drivers have a mathematical chance of winning so there shouldn't be any team orders at all. I think the right driver won, but Rosberg should've been third, because Rosberg was clearly faster towards the end. The fact that Hamilton was told to slow down to save fuel is irrelevant, as is the fact that Red Bull told Webber to turn the engine down.

What Vettel showed when passing Webber was a sublime display of his driving talent, putting to bed any doubts that he has an inability to overtake; and that he is still as determined as ever to win his fourth title. Vettel's pass on Webber was all fair and above board; there was no illegal blocking nor was there any contact between the two cars. It was good, hard and fair racing. Something that Rosberg was unfortunately not allowed to do, but should have been. Rosberg was robbed of his podium finish by the team that he has served well since 2010. That is the real tragedy.



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 17):
Strongly disagree that it was stupid.

  

Vettel won the title last year by three points, yet for some reason people expect him to voluntarily give up seven this race. Yes, it was risky - but that's racing - and it takes two to tango.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 15):
Stupid move by Vettel on Webber, some strong words at the end of the race!

If you can't keep up, get out of the way.

The last thing we need is more of this Hamilton / Rosberg crap.


User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2753 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 3829 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 17):
Quoting flood (Reply 18):

His move on Webber was totally uncalled for next to the pit wall, very dangerous and risky it's a very dirty area and if any of the cars loose grip there the result could have been nasty.

If you cant keep up get out of the way mentality could apply if Vettel was clearly faster than Webber, then wait for a more suitable area of the circuit to make a clean move,, not risking it there with the danger of making contact and ruining both yours and Webbers race.

Even the team told him it was ridiculous, he was given an order and totally ignored it.

Just my 2 cents.



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 3824 times:
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Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 19):
His move on Webber was totally uncalled for next to the pit wall, very dangerous and risky it's a very dirty area and if any of the cars loose grip there the result could have been nasty.

If you cant keep up get out of the way mentality could apply if Vettel was clearly faster than Webber, then wait for a more suitable area of the circuit to make a clean move,, not risking it there with the danger of making contact and ruining both yours and Webbers race.

He had no choice but to be there. Webber moved to the centre of the track to defend his position, which he was very much entitled to do. Vettel could've moved to the outside, which meant forfeiting turn 1 to Webber and possibly getting him at turn 2, or else going to the inside and make the move into turn 1 stick.



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Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 3821 times:
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CXB77L-
Fom the radio conversations and the body language after the race I don't think the team agrees with you.
Can't recall ever seeing or hearing a team management less happy after a 1-2 result in a GP

Pretty sure we will hear soon from the Mad Dr M how MW was totally at fault for endangering the ordained supremacy of the chosen one!!

[Edited 2013-03-24 05:19:40]


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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5688 posts, RR: 44
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 3813 times:
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So the petulant little prat... admits his mistake... as if it was a mistake!!!

Quote:
"We should have stayed in the positions we were in. I didn't ignore it [the order] on purpose but I messed up in that situation.

Getting a little tired of his attitude, time he grew up!



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 3812 times:
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Quoting stealthz (Reply 21):
Fom the radio conversations and the body language after the race I don't think the team agrees with you.
Can't recall ever seeing or hearing a team management less happy after a 1-2 result in a GP

They weren't happy because Vettel disobeyed a team order to hold station which I don't think should have been given in the first place.

Vettel was no less deserving of his victory than Rosberg was deserving of third place. Both drivers were quicker than their teammates, and both were told not to attack. I don't think that's how racing should be conducted.



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User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 3801 times:

Finally drivers ignoring stupid team orders.

That untamable desire to win is what divides the greats like Prost, Senna, Schumacher, Vettel and Alonso from the mediocre drivers like Rosberg and Webber.


25 stealthz : CX.. the big thing for teams are their manufacturers points, the drivers and much of the public think the important thing is the WDC, sorry it is not
26 CXB77L : Agree to a point. I wouldn't call Rosberg "mediocre", I believe he is a future world champion who had been held back unfairly by his team. I agree th
27 Giancavia : Boohoo he decided not to take part in match fixing. He should be applauded, Team orders are not what racing is about.. the fastest guy should win. No
28 stealthz : Whatever you think about race fixing, and I am against betting on motor racing, there are situations where teams need to make a call, MW listened to
29 CXB77L : Yes, there are, when one driver is mathematically out of the running for the title while the other is a title contender. Not in Round 2 of the champi
30 stealthz : CX.. The team is the thing, they made a call,the impetuous child that thinks of no one else but himself ignored it!! Quite possibly costing the team 4
31 CXB77L : More like good driving. Notwithstanding the breach of team orders, Vettel's overtaking move on Webber was superb driving on his part.
32 stealthz : Actually was good driving on both drivers part.. lesser drivers would have likely ended in someone getting hurt!
33 racko : You mean a certain record breaking 7 time world champion? Who lets himself be held back by the team. Do you think Schumacher would have let it go? Se
34 flood : I could've sworn you said something about jeopardizing team points - and in that regard both drivers stubbornly played their part, as Webber was hard
35 scbriml : I'm sure Webber could have made it harder as well. And in no small part to Webber's cooperation. He did when told to. A lot of people seem to be forg
36 flipdewaf : Not sure why Webber would have thought vettel would have tried to pass him so probably didn't try defending as hard and took as few risks ss he could
37 VC-10 : The teams are only interested in the Constructors Championship, winning the Drivers Championship is of secondary importance to the teams. Didier Piro
38 KiwiRob : The worst thing about this race for me was the relatively empty stands, sad when there are tracks in Europe and other motorsport mad locations where t
39 Charles79 : I knew this race was going to "agitate" the fans! Reading the reports I'm still not clear if the decision to stay out was Alonso's or Ferrari's. Eithe
40 Post contains images GrahamHill : I did not have time to watch the race, but I have it recorded so I'll give my opinion later this week. It looks like something interesting has happene
41 Bill142 : Did you stop to consider that maybe they want Webber to win the championship? They also tole Vettel to turn down his engine. Vettel needs to be sat o
42 Post contains links racko : Vettel sure as hell doesn't want Webber to win the championship. By the way, here is a funny quote from crybaby Webber: http://www.autosport.com/news
43 ltbewr : I have been watching F-1 racing on TV for 45 years. I despise 'team orders' in F-1 unless very late in the season and to assure the 'better' driver to
44 BHMNONREV : I think this is the point that is lost on several of the posters here. The teams are thinking constructors, drivers not. But at the end of the day it
45 moo : I've read articles which say both tbh - but the latest is that Ferrari is "taking the blame" for it. So no surprise there, Alonso once again comes ou
46 CXB77L : What co-operation? Webber defended his position to the best of his ability. He certainly didn't wave Vettel by. Webber did try to defend his position
47 BHMNONREV : No argument there. Red Bull gains nothing by sitting him out in this case. Different team, different philosophy. At the end of the day, Vettel and an
48 scbriml : I'd be very surprised if the driver's contract doesn't specify that team orders must be followed when issued. If I was a team principle, I'd certainl
49 TheSultanOfWing : Not good from Sebastian Vettel, ignoring orders; but a mind boggling strategy from RBR. Stopping your best championship contender of winning a race wi
50 Post contains links and images GrahamHill : I agree with you. I've always hated team orders when both drivers still have an equal chance to win the title. If a teammate is completely out for th
51 zckls04 : The teams' shares of the TV revenue are set by their position in the Constructors'. There's no money in the drivers championship. The teams absolutel
52 Post contains images zckls04 : You're too harsh I think People make mistakes in the heat of the moment. It's racing. Meh- sort of. I agree that it was good to watch, but the fact r
53 GrahamHill : I'm not fully aware of the TV revenue sharing. If this is indeed the case, then I would understand the importance to get the WCC title. It's also goo
54 Post contains images zckls04 : I'd argue barely anybody notices what number is on a car. It's not exactly huge is it?
55 Post contains links and images GrahamHill : Actually, I have to stand corrected. It looks like the numbers are attributed according to the WCC position, except for the team who won the WDC: they
56 zckls04 : That's correct. Each team is assigned two consecutive numbers based on the WCC placings the previous year. They assign the higher one to the driver w
57 ncfc99 : Was SV really quicker on merit. Whilst racing to the last pit stop he was beaten by Webber, who then turned his engine down following team orders. Di
58 zckls04 : Way back when there were a few different schemes- I think the teams could pretty much do as they pleased at one time. There were a few years if memor
59 Bill142 : The numbers there, you can just see the top of it sticking out above the rear wheel.
60 stealthz : Been thinking about this the last couple of days and I agree.. likely Senna, Prost , and others would have done the same but they would have manned u
61 CXB77L : While that's true, it shouldn't matter to the team which driver finishes ahead of the other. Therefore, there is no need to manufacture a situation w
62 Post contains images GrahamHill : Thanks And yet it's not always easy to identify the drivers with their helmets. Look at Hamilton/Rosberg. The easiest to spot recently was Schumacher
63 zckls04 : Turkey 2010? Wheel to racing between teammates is rarely desirable for a team boss. Well, he may have caught Webber, he may not. That's speculation.
64 Post contains links TheSultanOfWing : Webber's reaction, seconds after the finish. Pretty dangerous and unprofessional....and just think about a high speed crash with that many people so c
65 zckls04 : The problem for Red Bull is that fixing the tension between the drivers requires some sort of sanction for Vettel, which isn't in the team's interest
66 Post contains images GrahamHill : A nice montage:
67 Post contains images stealthz : LOL... and... LIkely won't be the last!!
68 Post contains links and images bill142 :
69 moo : Interesting that Webbers getting his panties in a twist about something he himself has done before.... 2011 British Grand Prix, Webber ignores a team
70 Post contains links and images GrahamHill : Yes, and that's why I am surprised also with Webber's reaction. I always thought he would be the kind of guy to say: "to hell with team orders. Let's
71 PanHAM : Vettel's only mistake last Sunday was that he apologized. He is clearly the better driver, he did what Red Bull pays him for, he finished the race suc
72 CXB77L : Couldn't have put it any better myself. Vettel didn't do anything wrong in Malaysia and should never have apologised, nor should the team have asked
73 bill142 : They're also employees and if the team wants their drivers to hold station they should do it. Mercedes is a case in point of drivers doing what they'
74 zckls04 : I think a certain A. Newey might be a small factor....
75 Rockson : Unless the driver is Mark Webber, right? Guess who designed Webber's car?[Edited 2013-03-31 14:22:26]
76 bill142 : No Webber should do as he's told as well.
77 zckls04 : OK, then that statement should read "being slightly better than one of the most mediocre drivers in Formula One is what makes him a triple world cham
78 TheSultanOfWing : Guys, I just can't wait for the next one in a fortnight from now! I am sure the relationship between the blue & purple cars will be just very.....
79 PanHAM : you can hardly compare someone making double digit millions p.a. with the regular employee. You don't get such contracts for beeing Mr. Niceguy, you
80 bill142 : CEO's, Football managers all get paid heaps and what happens when they fall foul of their employers wishes?
81 PanHAM : wrong comparison. Football is a team play, running a company is as well. F1 shows that the back-up team supports 2 drivers and the outstanding one is
82 bill142 : F1 is as much a team sport as it is an individual sport which many seem to forget. Vettel would be nothing without the team he has around him.
83 PanHAM : ....and the team would be nothing without an outstanding driver. Changing tyres in 2 seconds can be trained. Driving like a champion takes more than t
84 mad99 : i'd agree with that. At the end of the day, he was faster than webber and pasted him. Webber pushed him to the wall and he didn't back off.
85 Post contains images zckls04 : An outstanding driver. Not that specific outstanding driver. You think Alonso couldn't win in the 2010-2012 Red Bulls? Hamilton? Raikkonen? Button? H
86 CXB77L : Agreed. I dislike the fact that Mercedes asked Rosberg to remain behind Hamilton. That's not what racing should be about, it should be about who is t
87 moo : I'm torn by this, because Rosberg was told on the radio "Hamilton could be faster, hes been asked to back off as well", so the two weren't on similar
88 GrahamHill : I can't wait to be next week. 3 weeks without Formula 1 during the season is too much....
89 zckls04 : And I fully agree that Webber is not up to the task; you'll never find me claiming he is an outstanding driver. The idea though that Red Bull would n
90 Post contains images CXB77L : I also can't wait for this three week period to be over, so that all this hoopla with Vettel disobeying team orders will blow over. By the end of the
91 GrahamHill : That's true. But it's only the start of the season as well. I understand a 3-week break at mid-season, but not after only 2 GPs.
92 zckls04 : Truthfully I can't be objective on this. He's such a little weasel it clouds my judgment, so I have to recuse myself. As far as the other three go, I
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