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User currently offlinedetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3164 times:

Hey guys,

Hard decision has to be made, that will impact me for the next 2 years. My contract is up and I have the option of a heavily subsidized phone now. I really like the S4 (know i cant purchase it for another month or 2), but Im wondering if it is worth to wait till the I6/I5s comes out or is announced? Or should i just go with the I5? Thoughts....?


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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3152 times:

Personally, I would go S4 over i5 or i5s/i6 (but I prefer Android over iOS, so that was never the question).

However, I am somewhat in the same boat.

Wondering if I should get S4, or wait until September/October for either Galaxy Note 3 or Nexus 5 (or whatever it is called).

-CXfirst



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User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

If you decide to wait then you will get the same problem in September, should I buy
the new GXN3/IP5s... or should I wait for the new Galaxy S5?

There will always be new models coming and you might find yourself waiting for ever...  

The S4 seems to be a really nice phone though. There are also the
HTC One that might be worth taking a look at.



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 2):

If you decide to wait then you will get the same problem in September, should I buy
the new GXN3/IP5s... or should I wait for the new Galaxy S5?

There will always be new models coming and you might find yourself waiting for ever...

Well, for me, the decision has always been Nexus Phone vs Note (I love the larger screen, but also love the stock Android experience, with the quick updates). The plan was always to wait until September, but circumstances (problems with my current phone and the allure of the S4) have made me have to reconsider.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlinesteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1403 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3072 times:

Well,
this is what the phone makers want us to do.
They want us to desire their latest model and when less than a year later they present a new more advanced one, they want us to feel the irresistible need to change again.
I am in your same situation. I have a 2 year old (actually 26 months old) iPhone4 and I am so tempted by the HTC ONE but I also want to see the Galaxy S4 first.
Never had an Android before and I´m a bit worried of the change. Maybe I should wait for another 15/18 months and see how the iPhone6 will be.
By then there will be a new Samsung flagship as well as a new top model from HTC or Sony or LG.
It will be the same situation over and over.

So maybe we should just decide after a brief consideration and be content with it for at least 2 years without regrets  


User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1500 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

There will always be a new phone right around the corner. But in the end it doesn't matter that much. If you always buy the latest and greatest you'll pay significantly more. Whereas if you buy near the end of a product cycle, like I usually do, you can get good prices on the phones. I'll get all the same features as somebody who buys near the beginning of a product cycle, just a bit later.

The only phone I will miss out on is the one which comes out nine months before I die, which I think I can live with because I know I'll have had lots of extra money during my life to spend on Chateau D'Yquem and Foie Gras.

I'm not that interested in comparing my phone with other people's, but if I was I'd probably use the oldest phone I could lay my hands on just to be contrary. My home phone is this:



...converted into a VoIP phone.



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2474 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

It's a very difficult choice between the Xperia Z, the HTC One and the SGS4 for me.. what I don't like about the S4 is the plastic body. I don't like HTC sense either though.. I have to see them in person to decide I think. The competition is tougher now. Before it was more like the SGS3 was the clear choice. Now there are three strong competitors.

User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3410 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

Quoting detroitflyer (Thread starter):
Hard decision has to be made, that will impact me for the next 2 years. My contract is up and I have the option of a heavily subsidized phone now. I really like the S4 (know i cant purchase it for another month or 2), but Im wondering if it is worth to wait till the I6/I5s comes out or is announced? Or should i just go with the I5? Thoughts....?

How much is the S4 on a term??

If you are willing to pay that price then get it because it looks really nice, perhaps you can wait to see what the next Iphone will have.

I would personally get an S3 over the Iphone 5 if you want a phone that is out now.



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User currently offlineMrChips From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 938 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

I would hold off on an SG4, to be honest. Let's get some reviews from people who actually own it (instead of those who are paid to fawn over them). Even though the hardware of the SG3 is awesome, Samsung's flavour of Android is pretty awful at the moment. Looking back, I probably should have gone with an HTC One X - very similar hardware (with a few differences), but HTC's Android build is quite a bit better (they learned some pretty hard lessons with Sense 3.x).

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 7):
I would personally get an S3 over the Iphone 5 if you want a phone that is out now.

I have an SG3, and I have to say that until I loaded CyanogenMod 10 on it, I was extremely unimpressed with it. After the phone updated to 4.1 (from 4.0), it was very slow and quite unstable in many aspects - with the original 4.0, it was absolutely fantastic. That said, CM10 took the SG3 to where it should be.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8468 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 7):
How much is the S4 on a term??

If you are willing to pay that price then get it because it looks really nice, perhaps you can wait to see what the next Iphone will have.

Remember that the price of the iPhone versions go down when a new one is introduced. The 5 will be offered at a lower price as soon as the 5S is released.


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3410 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 9):
Remember that the price of the iPhone versions go down when a new one is introduced. The 5 will be offered at a lower price as soon as the 5S is released.

Ohh I know but we know what features the Iphone 5 and S3 (direct competitors) have as well as the S4 (the next class up). The question is what with the Iphone 5S have in terms of features and cost.

In Canada the carriers have been promoting the S3 on a new term as free and the Iphone 5 has dropped in price already to I assume move them a lot faster.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 2935 times:

Quoting detroitflyer (Thread starter):
My contract is up and I have the option of a heavily subsidized phone now.

No, you won't get anything actually subsidized – you're only paying the same price for the phone in monthly installments you'd pay up front otherwise.

It's just an ordinary purchase on credit, merely camouflaged to hide that fact.

Only if the carrier hopes that you'll rack up additional usage charges and you actually don't, there might be some chance of actually saving money benefiting from that mixed calculation on the carrier's part.

But in general it's a wash.

You're best off if you calculate the total ownership cost of the phone including all carrier charges, both regular and add-on over the entire expected lifetime of the device.

A "subsidized" phone may very well come out more expensive when looking at it that way relative to an up-front unlocked one (as far as I'm aware the US carriers are beginning to move towards generally unlocking devices when the initial contract is up, so that should be only a temporary factor).

This applies to any model, regardless of manufacturer.

The differences can begin where phones are "branded" by a carrier, meaning carrier-specific modifications being forced on you (generally it's useless and unremovable crap apps and limitations being imposed).

(iPhones cannot be "branded" by carriers in any way.)

Quoting detroitflyer (Thread starter):
I really like the S4 (know i cant purchase it for another month or 2), but Im wondering if it is worth to wait till the I6/I5s comes out or is announced? Or should i just go with the I5? Thoughts....?

Depends on your priorities.

What's to be expected of an iPhone "5S" at this point:
• same physical appearance as the iPhone 5
• again faster processor
• further improved camera
• storage likely doubled to 128GB max.
• one or more added special features
• iOS 7 (previous models will get it as an upgrade)

For me personally the main attractions to the iPhone platform are:
• top-notch quality hardware
• excellent manufacturer support
• the App Store: all new apps and app updates are vetted for both quality and security, and it makes a clearly noticeable difference
• consistent "day one" iOS update and upgrade support (new firmware becomes available immediately for all users)
• new iOS main version upgrades through several years, plus many security updates

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 5):
There will always be a new phone right around the corner. But in the end it doesn't matter that much. If you always buy the latest and greatest you'll pay significantly more. Whereas if you buy near the end of a product cycle, like I usually do, you can get good prices on the phones. I'll get all the same features as somebody who buys near the beginning of a product cycle, just a bit later.

For an iPhone, I would generally recommend against that, since it means you're losing one or more years of update and upgrade support you'd have if you bought near the introduction of a new model.

For phones which don't get much after-sale support anyway regardless of when you're buying them, buying late may not make much of a difference, however (which applies to most Android phones, and which explains much of the price difference).


User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1500 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 11):
For an iPhone, I would generally recommend against that, since it means you're losing one or more years of update and upgrade support you'd have if you bought near the introduction of a new model.

For phones which don't get much after-sale support anyway regardless of when you're buying them, buying late may not make much of a difference, however (which applies to most Android phones, and which explains much of the price difference).

Up to a point, but I don't know many people who keep their phones (or at least use them as their primary device) that long. Perhaps I just have decadent friends.

Also I've never had to actually use support from the device manufacturer (on any of my iPhones or my Android, although I've only had that a few months). With the carrier, definitely. But their support is dependent on the contract.



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User currently offlineTLG From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 16 hours ago) and read 2926 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 11):
one or more added special features

From what I understand that's likely to include NFC and/or wireless charging.

[Edited 2013-03-22 19:20:51]

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 2919 times:

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 12):
Up to a point, but I don't know many people who keep their phones (or at least use them as their primary device) that long. Perhaps I just have decadent friends.

Android phones fail to be supported even just with security fixes even while their contract is still running. That is extremely relevant.

And for me an iPhone regularly turns into effectively a new device with a major iOS version upgrade, so unless I feel constricted by the hardware, I see little reason to switch devices. The iPhone 3GS was very tight for my needs, so I replaced it with a 4S when that came out. The 4S feels much less limiting after almost two years, so I'll likely keep it beyond the end of my contract.

Hardware development had been extremely rapid in the first years since the release of the first iPhone, but the incentives for upgrading the hardware are receding with advancing technology.

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 12):
Also I've never had to actually use support from the device manufacturer (on any of my iPhones or my Android, although I've only had that a few months). With the carrier, definitely. But their support is dependent on the contract.

Getting security fixes is essential for a device which manages relevant data and much of my privacy.

Getting major OS upgrades often makes a bigger difference than getting new hardware.

Regular customer support can be important as well, but software support has an even bigger impact with the complex smartphones we've got today. They are no longer phones with maybe a few side benefits, they are now full-blown pocket computers which can be used for making phone calls among many other things, so keeping these complex systems up to date and secured is as important as it is with desktop computers.

Quoting TLG (Reply 13):
From what I understand that's likely to include NFC and/or wireless charging.

I am pretty certain that neither will be the case since it would combine major technical and practical downsides with only marginal benefits at best. It's the kind of feature that looks much better on paper than in reality.

Apple tends to not go for this kind of thing.


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 2879 times:

Where does Klaus get this idea that choosing Android results in never receiving updates ?
I've just installed two on my HTC Onex before posting this. If he wants to be an Apple fan boy that's ok, but please stop posting blatant untruths.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 11):
the App Store: all new apps and app updates are vetted for both quality and security, and it makes a clearly noticeable difference

You put this as an advantage, but don't care to mention any of the disadvantages.

For instance, the time it takes for competing (against Apple) apps to reach the ecosystem if at all. I remember, Opera Web-browser, which was the most used mobile web browser at the time, had their app take ages to get through (talking years). This wasn't a quality issue, but protectionism from Apple, which is something I don't like very much.

Google have mentioned that Google Now, which is something I love (but I understand many won't like the intrusive nature of the app), is highly likely to be submitted to Apple soon for approval, but I wouldn't be surprised that this app, which blows Siri out of the water as a full personal assistant, could take its time. And this again is not a quality issue, especially with the countless 'fart' apps that have already been approved.

Furthermore, Apple's app store does have a lot of crap on it as well. I will grant you that Android has a lot as well, but one key difference is that Android allows customers to get a refund on apps within a certain time frame if they don't enjoy the app. A few times, I've used it and gotten all my money back. I do have a few apps on my iPad that I wish I could have done the same with.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2474 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 1 hour ago) and read 2816 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 16):
I do have a few apps on my iPad that I wish I could have done the same with

Hear, hear!


User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

Quoting detroitflyer (Thread starter):
Hey guys,

Hard decision has to be made, that will impact me for the next 2 years. My contract is up and I have the option of a heavily subsidized phone now. I really like the S4 (know i cant purchase it for another month or 2), but Im wondering if it is worth to wait till the I6/I5s comes out or is announced? Or should i just go with the I5? Thoughts....?

It is my personal opinion after having owned quite a few android phones ( and of course many other cell phones over the last 13 years ) that the S3 which I have now is the best piece of mobile technology I have ever used. With all due respect to apple, it is vibrant, great screen, easy to use, exceptionally customizable and it isn't a brick. As far as updates go, they are pretty regular. I have had two or 3 since last August. My carrier is Verizon. The S3 on Verizons LTE network is a beast. If I did not have any data restrictions, I would get rid of my internet and just tether through my phone. Last time I clocked my speeds while driving it was 50 down 30 up.

I probably will not own the S4 just because my contract isn't up for renewal this summer, but honestly I won't shed a tear. The S3 is fantastic and it will be a top player for a while. If the S4 is anything like the S3 then you will be in good hands!

Pull the trigger on the S4! I hope this helps.

[Edited 2013-03-23 12:48:17]


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User currently offlineTLG From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

Quoting flanker (Reply 18):
I probably will not own the S4 just because my contract isn't up for renewal this summer, but honestly I won't shed a tear. The S3 is fantastic and it will be a top player for a while. If the S4 is anything like the S3 then you will be in good hands!

Your S3 should be getting many of the S4's new features in an update.


User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1500 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2752 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 15):
Where does Klaus get this idea that choosing Android results in never receiving updates ?
I've just installed two on my HTC Onex before posting this. If he wants to be an Apple fan boy that's ok, but please stop posting blatant untruths.

Actually he is half right. Androids do get updates but they don't come direct from Google, but from the carriers (via the manufacturers). That means there can be an 4-8 month delay before you get the update. For example, I haven't got Android 4.2 yet (released in November) on my S3.

So therefore you could be getting tons of updates, but they're all potentially quite old. It's definitely something the manufacturers have to find a way to fix, although that may be a while off yet.



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User currently offlinemmedford From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

I'm a grandfathered customer on Verizon, with the hotspot option...so Unlimited Data.

So i'm a bad example, but I buy the newest phone possible...and sell the old one ASAP, to get the most for it.



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User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

Quoting mmedford (Reply 21):
I'm a grandfathered customer on Verizon, with the hotspot option...so Unlimited Data.

I am jealous. I wish I had that and could tether! The speeds are fantastic. I switched to Verizon from Sprint last year and its the best consumer move I have ever made, haha.



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User currently offlineF9animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5120 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

I have the S3. It is a nice phone. I am starting to learn to be patient. I am always getting the latest and newest devices. However, having the newest seems to bring teething problems. How about holding off and waiting for reviews before buyinv? Next time, I will pay full price for a phone. TMobile pisses me off, as they wont allow customers under contract to take advantage of their new inexpensive plans. They told me I could switch plans, only if I pay a $200 per line conversion fee. So, when my contract expires, I will go to either prepay, or a non contract plan through TMobile. I pay over $230 a month for three lines, when the new plans would cost me about $130 a month!


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User currently offlineTLG From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

Quoting F9animal (Reply 23):
They told me I could switch plans, only if I pay a $200 per line conversion fee. So, when my contract expires, I will go to either prepay, or a non contract plan through TMobile. I pay over $230 a month for three lines, when the new plans would cost me about $130 a month!

So if you save $100/month on the new plans, you could pay the conversion fees in 6 months with the savings. If your contract has more than 6 months remaining, you would come out ahead, all else being equal.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8034 posts, RR: 5
Reply 25, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

I would right now wait for what Apple offers with the so-called iPhone 5S model, which is supposed to be arriving around July or August 2013.

User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Reply 26, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

The cheaper the phone you buy now, the sooner you can upgrade. Most smartphones today are fungible, so the only two rational criteria are cost and battery life.

If you are looking to own a cool phone, you should start with the iPhone at the top of your decision tree and work your way from there. 100% of cool looking people in the NYC subway own iPhones.

Now, having said that, it looks like a market for "Phablets" (what a horrible word) is developing - the convergence of tablets and phones. So screens are going to get bigger, it seems.


User currently offlinemmedford From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 27, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

Google's I/O Event is in May; Wait for the Nexus 5...


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