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Boris Berezovsky Dead  
User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7718 posts, RR: 21
Posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

The oligarch who fell out of of favour in Moscow and subsequently was afforded shelter in the UK has died in in the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21913356

So far there is no confirmation of how he met his end. Will be interesting to see what develops, as there is every chance someone did him in.


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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12930 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
there is every chance someone did him in.

That was my first thought...



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User currently offlinetu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1255 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

It isn't great to say bad things about people that have passed on, but it must suck when a known person dies, and there are only a handful of people that experience any true sadness from the passing.
All I can say is my condolences to his family, and may God have mercy on his evil soul.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7718 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1786 times:

Quoting tu204 (Reply 2):
It isn't great to say bad things about people that have passed on, but it must suck when a known person dies, and there are only a handful of people that experience any true sadness from the passing.
All I can say is my condolences to his family, and may God have mercy on his evil soul.

Well said. I do not like to speak ill of the dead, but it's beyond me why the UK keeps giving refuge to criminals such as Berezovsky.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20334 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 3):
I do not like to speak ill of the dead

If the dead have done ill, then why not speak it? In the end, when I die, my immortality will remain in the deeds I have done in life. The children whose lives I have saved will go on to have children of their own, who will have children after them. All of them will be there, in some small part, because of my work. They will not remember me or ever even learn my name, but my good deeds will live on as long as humanity exists.

And if you did bad, your horrible deeds will similarly live on for eternity. Let it be known far and wide. Death does not absolve one of sin.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7718 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1735 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
If the dead have done ill, then why not speak it? In the end, when I die, my immortality will remain in the deeds I have done in life. The children whose lives I have saved will go on to have children of their own, who will have children after them. All of them will be there, in some small part, because of my work. They will not remember me or ever even learn my name, but my good deeds will live on as long as humanity exists.

And if you did bad, your horrible deeds will similarly live on for eternity. Let it be known far and wide. Death does not absolve one of sin.

I support you're right of course Doc, there's nothing wrong with talking about the things he did. I'm just waiting to find out whether in fact he did get his comeuppance or actually died of natural causes.



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1349 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1664 times:

Currently his house has been cordoned off and police specialists in chemical, biological and nuclear materials are searching the area.

I despise the actions Mr Berezovsky whilst he was in Russia, he did a lot to rip-off the Russian People and his puppet-mastering put his own interests first. And I very much dislike Oligarchism. I do however like much of what he did in exile, though I suspect it was for the wrong reasons.

If nothing else, he had great taste in aircraft:

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Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
there is every chance someone did him in.

   And this despite his extensive security team. Supposedly there was another attempt in 2007.

I bet people such as Alex Goldfarb and Akhmed Zakayev are rather worried right now (to put it mildly). The grand irony being that it was Mr Berezovsky who facilitated Putin's rise to power in the first place - the dangers of being a puppet-master I guess.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7718 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1582 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 6):
If nothing else, he had great taste in aircraft:

That's certainly true. I've been around GA a lot, and that's definitely the aircraft I would have if the money was in my pocket.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6920 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

His presence in front of a judge in France had been required for some time apparently, I wonder why the British government didn't treat him like Julian Assange ?


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7718 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1548 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 8):
His presence in front of a judge in France had been required for some time apparently, I wonder why the British government didn't treat him like Julian Assange ?

I don't know about the French situation, but the UK government sure likes to piss off the Russians when it comes to their wanted criminals/terrorists.



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1349 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

He was featured in a fascinating BBC documentary series called Russian Godfathers a year or two ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Cib5FMq9A
You can see the inside of the aircraft from about 23:00 onwards.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 9):
I don't know about the French situation, but the UK government sure likes to piss off the Russians when it comes to their wanted criminals/terrorists.

Well, Russia hasn't been particularly enthusiastic in handing over Andrey Lugovoy, have they.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7718 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 10):
Well, Russia hasn't been particularly enthusiastic in handing over Andrey Lugovoy, have they.

Sure, but we'd already taken in plenty of theirs before that point. One of the main stated reasons for not handing over Lugovoi was the fact that we'd never hand over the likes of Akhmed Zakaev. Without wishing to sound petty, we in the UK definitely had the march on them in that particular game.



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User currently offlinetu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1255 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1440 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 10):
Well, Russia hasn't been particularly enthusiastic in handing over Andrey Lugovoy, have they.
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 11):
Sure, but we'd already taken in plenty of theirs before that point. One of the main stated reasons for not handing over Lugovoi was the fact that we'd never hand over the likes of Akhmed Zakaev. Without wishing to sound petty, we in the UK definitely had the march on them in that particular game.

That and also in our Constitution it clearly states that we do not hand over our nationals (citizens) to foreign governments. What Scotland Yard could have done and was actually ASKED to do by our Prosecution Office was to try him in Russian court. But they didn't even bother handing over any evidence and made a political stink about it. And trust me, with such a noteworthy case it would not have been swept under the rug and with all the publicity would have been a fair trial.
The UK simply did not want to do that or they had no evidence against Lugovoi, therefore making a stink and blaming us is alot easier than doing some police work.



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1349 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

Anyway, it now looks like his death (hanging) was of his own doing.

Quoting tu204 (Reply 12):
That and also in our Constitution it clearly states that we do not hand over our nationals (citizens) to foreign governments.

And the UK doesn't hand over those who are likely to be tortured (Akhmed Zakayev) or asylum seekers who are likely to have a politically motivated trial (Berezovsky).

Quoting tu204 (Reply 12):
What Scotland Yard could have done and was actually ASKED to do by our Prosecution Office was to try him in Russian court. But they didn't even bother handing over any evidence and made a political stink about it.

  

Quoting tu204 (Reply 12):
And trust me, with such a noteworthy case it would not have been swept under the rug and with all the publicity would have been a fair trial.

Just like Mikhail Khodorkovsky?   



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