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Cadillac Unveils 2014 CTS At New York Auto Show  
User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3284 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4756 times:

2014 Cadillac CTS front-quarter


The next-generation 2014 CTS will be competing directly with cars like the BMW 5-Series and the Mercedes-Benz E-Class than before. Previously, the CTS was priced more along the lines of the smaller BMW 3-Series and Audi A4, but it was sized more like those maker's mid-sized models. And the CTS will also priced more like its new larger competitors - estimated sticler price should range from $40000 to $60000 USD, depending on optional equipment.

With the arrival of the smaller Cadillac ATS (sized and priced to compete with the BMW 3-series and Benz C-class), the CTS is being pushed upmarket. ATS seems to be performing fairly well for Cadillac in the market, and has received universally good reviews from the automotive press.

Cadillac thinks the new CTS will have what it takes to be a serious contender. Underneath, the new car will move to a stretched wheelbase version of the Alpha rear-drive platform that underpins the current ATS, and soon the next-generation Chevy Camaro.

Under its hood, the CTS will come standard with a 272 horsepower 2.0L turbocharged four-cylinder capable of hitting 30mpg on the highway. Cadillac's 3.6-liter V6 will stand as the range's mid-level offering, developing 321 horsepower, All wheel drive will be an option with this engine. The big news for 2014 is the introduction of a 3.6L twin-turbocharged V6 in the Sport-series model.

The twin-turbo mill is based on Cadillac's naturally aspirated 3.6 liter V6, but boasts a number of mechanical improvements, including updated cylinder heads, stronger connecting rods and a 10.2:1 compression ratio. As a result of those changes, the twin-turbo V6 produces a healthy 420 horsepower and 430 lb-ft of torque, good for a 0-60 run in about 4.5 seconds.

The 3.6L twin-turbo, which is expected to be available in the rear-drive version (no AWD twin-turbo), is expected to be rated at 17mpg in the city and 25mpg on the highway.

All CTS models will come with Cadillac's new eight-speed automatic transmission as standard equipment, and will have Cadillac CUE touchscreen infotainment system as well - and a upgraded interior that mimicks the quality and design of the interior materials of the current XTS sedan.

A turbo-dtiesel engine sourced from GM/Opel is also rumored, especially for international variants of the CTS. Currently, only Mercedes-Benz offers a diesel in the premium midsize segment here in the USA. The coupe and wagon versions of the new-generation CTS have not yet been announced, and may not be produced at all given the low sales numbers of the current CTS coupe and wagon. However, Cadillac is expected to follow up with a third-generation, V8-powered CTS-V sedan sometime next year.

Source and numerous photos: http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...cts-fully-revealed-updated-117269/

[Edited 2013-03-26 07:20:35]


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User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1673 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4726 times:

That front end looks a bit too much like a SLS at that angle.

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4678 times:

Doesnt look bad though the side has a bit too much Mercedes E-Class about it, dont you think?
Cover the front and its very close to the E-Class without that ugly pre-facelift bulge.


User currently offlineaf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2696 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4670 times:

Would be sad to see no wagon model for the new CTS, but the CTS coupe looks oddly shaped.


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4669 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Cadillac Unveils 2014 CTS At New York Auto Show

Best one yet. Now just waiting for the V.

Quoting Acheron (Reply 1):
That front end looks a bit too much like a SLS at that angle.

A little bit. Cadillac definitely did the right thing going with the long hood and short rear look.

Quoting na (Reply 2):
Doesnt look bad though the side has a bit too much Mercedes E-Class about it, dont you think?

It does emulate the E-Class, but it looks good. They probably were trying to recall the mid to late '60s' Eldorados.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4668 times:

I like the new look. I see traces of the CIEL concept.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Cadillac is expected to follow up with a third-generation, V8-powered CTS-V sedan sometime next year.

Great news!

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
A turbo-dtiesel engine sourced from GM/Opel is also rumored

Nice!



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8866 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4654 times:

It's a definate improvement over past Cadillac styling, but the front still exhibits too much bling. This car seems to be designed to attract magpies rather than people with taste.

(for those who don't know, magpies are famously attracted to shiny objects)



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12742 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4641 times:

I find the exterior quite sharp looking and well proportioned.

Unfortunately I'm just not a fan of the interior "design language" and in any case won't be out to spend that much on a car.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7566 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4641 times:

Cadillac must think it's good if they are going to try competing at the same price level as the Germans, now they will have no excuses for poor quality, before Cadillac could pass it off as value for money, 5 series size for 3 series money, so you could expect a few cut corners and slightly budget interior.

Will there also be a new coupe and station wagon?


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6730 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4629 times:

The gigantic and bold LED things at the front don't go well with the very flat and bland sides of the car.


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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8866 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4624 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
Unfortunately I'm just not a fan of the interior "design language

I like the interior. Looks modern yet luxurious. I hope the feel of the materials matches the look - this has always been a GM problem - something looks good, then you touch it and it feels like cheap plastic.

BTW, anyone notice the size of the Cadillac emblems? Typical of the last generation, but really indicative of "design for people with poor eyesight"



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User currently offlineL0VE2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days ago) and read 4588 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
the front still exhibits too much bling. This car seems to be designed to attract magpies rather than people with taste.

   Couldn't agree more, I'd take this one over any new Cadillac...

http://www.bizcadillacciyiz.com/img/cadillac-seville-accessories.jpg


If you need a new, good looking American sedan you can't go wrong with this beauty...

2013 Lincoln MKZ
http://stwot.motortrend.com/files/2012/04/2013-Lincoln-MKZ-red-front-three-quarter.jpg


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12742 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4535 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
I like the interior. Looks modern yet luxurious. I hope the feel of the materials matches the look - this has always been a GM problem - something looks good, then you touch it and it feels like cheap plastic.

It's just not my thing. There's a lot of design cues that tell me I'm in a Caddy, but I guess I really don't want to be in a Caddy. I want something more sports/luxury. I like Audi interiors. Too bad they don't come inside a BMW! 
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
BTW, anyone notice the size of the Cadillac emblems? Typical of the last generation, but really indicative of "design for people with poor eyesight"

Well, that's who have been buying them: old folks with fading eyesight...

But it is a fad to have huge emblems (see Merc et all).

Somehow the one on this Caddy doesn't bother me as much as older ones esp on the Esplinade.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7566 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4514 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 12):

But it is a fad to have huge emblems (see Merc et all).

Merc have had large emblems for decades, that's hardly a fad.

http://www.dieselstation.com/wallpapers/albums/Mercedes/sl-300-gullwing/mercedes-sl-300-gullwing-08.jpg


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8866 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4504 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 12):
But it is a fad to have huge emblems (see Merc et all).

The Mercedes star, the BMW Kidneys are basically outlines - you can make them big without being overwhelming.

The Cadillac emblem is complex and of a different color from the rest of the grille. It screams at you.



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3284 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4448 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
I like the new look. I see traces of the CIEL concept.

I agree, 'Fly. The headlight tubes on the front are directly related to the Ciel concept. Make me very hopeful that the new Cadillac "Omega" platform flagship will look ALOT like the Ciel, since this new CTS mimicks the Ciel's styling in many ways.

Big version: Width: 1600 Height: 880 File size: 217kb
2015 Cadillac Ciel


[Edited 2013-03-26 20:06:54]


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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4423 times:

We have better pictures now.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/03/26/2014-cadillac-cts-pictures-video/


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4416 times:

The Cadillacs are good cars. But the styling on all of them is about 7/10. The slab sides are so tall. A little weird, but still best Cadillac lineup in 20 years, at least.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4414 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 16):
We have better pictures now.

The bright red is awful. The dark grey on the top picture is much better, as would be a darker burgundy. Caddy did themselves no favors with the car at the show.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 17):
ut the styling on all of them is about 7/10. The slab sides are so tall. A little weird, but still best Cadillac lineup in 20 years, at least.

This one's an 8 or a 9. Definitely the best since the XLR years ago. The hard edged Art and Science styling really only works on cars that are long and low. On shorter, scrunched up designs it looks bad, like the XTS and ELR.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 18):
On shorter, scrunched up designs it looks bad, like the XTS and ELR.

Yes the FWD proportions of XTS -- i mean it's okay but they could make it drop dead gorgeous.

Today I saw a CTS-V coupe nail the throttle and start fishtailing at 40-50 mph. It made a good noise!

[Edited 2013-03-26 22:12:39]

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4400 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 19):
Yes and when I sat in an XTS, and looked at it, it was like WTF, this is a narrow FWD GM car, not a real Cadillac.

The XTS looks like a Ford Fusion that's been in a front end collision.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 19):
The above CTS is RWD, but looks a little FWD. The proportions.

It seems quite a bit taller than it should be.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 19):
Today I saw a CTS-V coupe nail the throttle and start fishtailing at 40-50 mph. It made a good noise!

With the current version, you can buy one and have $20-30k left over to tune it for what an M5 or E63 would cost you.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7566 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 20):
With the current version, you can buy one and have $20-30k left over to tune it for what an M5 or E63 would cost you.

I can't see many cross shopping a M5, RS6, E63 or XF-R with a CTS-V, it's similar in NZ or Aus folks won't be cross shopping HSV Commodores or FPV Falcons with the Euro's, it's a different market. That's why I'm highly surprised that Cadillac are going to try selling this with pricing to match the Euros, they have better have sorted out the fit, finish and interior quality if they want to be considered as equals, it's a brave move.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12742 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4340 times:

So WTF is up with all the TLAs?

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 21):
That's why I'm highly surprised that Cadillac are going to try selling this with pricing to match the Euros, they have better have sorted out the fit, finish and interior quality if they want to be considered as equals, it's a brave move.

in general, yes, but as seen in these forums and elsewhere there is a certain number of fans, almost all from the US, who will want it despite any such flaws.

The Escalade was an expensive mess of plastic everywhere but it still sold.

In theory GM should have been able to use the bailout, the layoffs and the rewritten union contracts to address those fundamental issues.

I sure as heck hope they did.

Yes, they did build a certain mostly-electric car that some wish had not been built, but that's off-topic and has been beaten to death so please discuss that elsewhere.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6730 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4319 times:

BTW, can you really drive a heavy car like that with such rims and rubber, without breaking something at the first pothole ?


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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4309 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 21):
I can't see many cross shopping a M5, RS6, E63 or XF-R with a CTS-V, it's similar in NZ or Aus folks won't be cross shopping HSV Commodores or FPV Falcons with the Euro's, it's a different market.

Cadillac is absolutely competing with the M5.

You'll see every car magazine acknowledge that Cadillac has matched the 3 and 5 series BMWs in quality and performance, along with Lexus and perhaps Mercedes. It is just a question of which styling and brands appeal to whom. GM's quality control is just as good as anyone. Meanwhile, the Germans have been cost cutting. BMW reviews now mention numb steering and cheapened interior finishes.


25 BMI727 : You'd be stupid not to. The CTS-V is right there with the XFR, M5, et. al. The HSV and Falcons would be much more in line with a Charger SRT8 or the
26 daedaeg : I own a 2011 CTS Coupe and love it. Hopefully they'll make a coupe for the new 2014 as well. I'd like to upgrade one day. I actually find the interior
27 Post contains images Mir : This has driven me nuts about US cars in general, though GM is the biggest offender. But things are getting better, slowly but surely. But as a VW fa
28 Superfly : No need to make a fuss about a press release. Making claims about going after the competition has been going on for ages. Nothing new here. Sure GM wo
29 mham001 : I don't get the color comments. Thankfully it is not in German gray/blue. Too boring. So was the first leaked picture - nothing but drab. Cadillac has
30 Superfly : Agreed. Same for white.
31 Revelation : The 3 series interior is functional and has a few flourishes if you order them but not that many. To me the Caddy interior is all about the flourishe
32 KiwiRob : Only on performance, it's cheaper, doesn't have the same image and if I was a bloke with money the Germans or Jag would be getting my dish. I've had
33 Flighty : On future TV reality shows they could say "Here is a 2005 Audi. Beautiful car. To correct all the design faults, we'll just swap in a Chevy 350, a GM
34 BMI727 : Performance is where it counts for me. Besides, as much as I like the M5, pumping engine noise through the stereo kinda ruins the image for me. And t
35 Post contains links and images KiwiRob : All those cars have far more performance than you or I or pretty much anyone outside of a professional driver would be able to exploit, so I'd rather
36 bohica : The arms race of LED lights is getting out of control. It seems like every auto manufacturer wants to outdo the other to see who can come up with the
37 Superfly : Don't give them any new ideas. It's an ugly trend that's affected every car manufacturer. I really don't get the giant metal rim with thin low profil
38 afterburner : From the side it reminds me of Toyota Camry (especially from A to C pillar).
39 sccutler : Year and a half ago, wife and I shopped for a nice, late-model used car for her; short list was a 535i BMW, and a Cadillac CTS. We ended up with the B
40 Superfly : No 2002-2006 Ford Thunderbird? I remember you saying how much she loved those. The used STS-Vs are still going for an insane amount of money. They're
41 cptkrell : Aesna and 'Fly's comments about the insane trend to ultra low profile tires on insane large diameter rims degrading everyday driving reliability is sp
42 Revelation : Dangerous too. I hit a pothole which really rattled my bones and made me curse, but I didn't correlate that event to an ensuing vibration at high spe
43 Flighty : Yes these lo pro tires are a major deficit in normal driving. Car mags are often including $4000+ in wheel repair costs in typical long term testing.
44 mham001 : We have among the worst road maintenance in the country. I don't know why you think they are any more roadworthy here. I was just wondering this week
45 flight152 : You've driven on every road to know only the good ones are in California?
46 sccutler : She just loves the German car vibe. When I am compelled to fly... on the ground instead of in the air... I understand. It is an effortless speedster,
47 zippyjet : A vast improvement over this current generation with that funky wierd rear side window. This car looks classy whereas the current model looks like a b
48 Post contains images Superfly : Dream? Just do it! The suspension is fine. Just drop in a Maurader / Police Interceptor engine and be done with it. See if it's possible to drop in t
49 zippyjet : True that! The current CTS's is better described as a bad example of excess, trying to achieve a classic/pimped out look but fails on all counts. It
50 Superfly : Huh? Looks very minimalist to me. It doesn't have a hood ornament, body-side moldings, chrome, fender skirts, woodgrain interior appointments, styled
51 zippyjet : That over slanted out of proportion rear side window literally kills the design of the second generation CTS that won't be missed!
52 Superfly : No argument there but that is most new cars today unfortunately.
53 sccutler : Man alive, ever since I started watching Justified on TV, I've wanted a black Town Car. He makes Lincoln cool again (as if it was ever not).
54 Post contains images Superfly : That is the proper color for all Town Cars and just about any full-sized luxury sedan. The 4.6 that comes with the Town Car is the same block as the
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