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Cadillac Unveils 2014 CTS At New York Auto Show  
User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3670 times:

2014 Cadillac CTS front-quarter


The next-generation 2014 CTS will be competing directly with cars like the BMW 5-Series and the Mercedes-Benz E-Class than before. Previously, the CTS was priced more along the lines of the smaller BMW 3-Series and Audi A4, but it was sized more like those maker's mid-sized models. And the CTS will also priced more like its new larger competitors - estimated sticler price should range from $40000 to $60000 USD, depending on optional equipment.

With the arrival of the smaller Cadillac ATS (sized and priced to compete with the BMW 3-series and Benz C-class), the CTS is being pushed upmarket. ATS seems to be performing fairly well for Cadillac in the market, and has received universally good reviews from the automotive press.

Cadillac thinks the new CTS will have what it takes to be a serious contender. Underneath, the new car will move to a stretched wheelbase version of the Alpha rear-drive platform that underpins the current ATS, and soon the next-generation Chevy Camaro.

Under its hood, the CTS will come standard with a 272 horsepower 2.0L turbocharged four-cylinder capable of hitting 30mpg on the highway. Cadillac's 3.6-liter V6 will stand as the range's mid-level offering, developing 321 horsepower, All wheel drive will be an option with this engine. The big news for 2014 is the introduction of a 3.6L twin-turbocharged V6 in the Sport-series model.

The twin-turbo mill is based on Cadillac's naturally aspirated 3.6 liter V6, but boasts a number of mechanical improvements, including updated cylinder heads, stronger connecting rods and a 10.2:1 compression ratio. As a result of those changes, the twin-turbo V6 produces a healthy 420 horsepower and 430 lb-ft of torque, good for a 0-60 run in about 4.5 seconds.

The 3.6L twin-turbo, which is expected to be available in the rear-drive version (no AWD twin-turbo), is expected to be rated at 17mpg in the city and 25mpg on the highway.

All CTS models will come with Cadillac's new eight-speed automatic transmission as standard equipment, and will have Cadillac CUE touchscreen infotainment system as well - and a upgraded interior that mimicks the quality and design of the interior materials of the current XTS sedan.

A turbo-dtiesel engine sourced from GM/Opel is also rumored, especially for international variants of the CTS. Currently, only Mercedes-Benz offers a diesel in the premium midsize segment here in the USA. The coupe and wagon versions of the new-generation CTS have not yet been announced, and may not be produced at all given the low sales numbers of the current CTS coupe and wagon. However, Cadillac is expected to follow up with a third-generation, V8-powered CTS-V sedan sometime next year.

Source and numerous photos: http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...cts-fully-revealed-updated-117269/

[Edited 2013-03-26 07:20:35]


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User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1529 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

That front end looks a bit too much like a SLS at that angle.

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

Doesnt look bad though the side has a bit too much Mercedes E-Class about it, dont you think?
Cover the front and its very close to the E-Class without that ugly pre-facelift bulge.


User currently offlineaf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3584 times:

Would be sad to see no wagon model for the new CTS, but the CTS coupe looks oddly shaped.


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15459 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Cadillac Unveils 2014 CTS At New York Auto Show

Best one yet. Now just waiting for the V.

Quoting Acheron (Reply 1):
That front end looks a bit too much like a SLS at that angle.

A little bit. Cadillac definitely did the right thing going with the long hood and short rear look.

Quoting na (Reply 2):
Doesnt look bad though the side has a bit too much Mercedes E-Class about it, dont you think?

It does emulate the E-Class, but it looks good. They probably were trying to recall the mid to late '60s' Eldorados.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3582 times:

I like the new look. I see traces of the CIEL concept.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Cadillac is expected to follow up with a third-generation, V8-powered CTS-V sedan sometime next year.

Great news!

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
A turbo-dtiesel engine sourced from GM/Opel is also rumored

Nice!



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8710 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

It's a definate improvement over past Cadillac styling, but the front still exhibits too much bling. This car seems to be designed to attract magpies rather than people with taste.

(for those who don't know, magpies are famously attracted to shiny objects)



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11919 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

I find the exterior quite sharp looking and well proportioned.

Unfortunately I'm just not a fan of the interior "design language" and in any case won't be out to spend that much on a car.



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6631 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

Cadillac must think it's good if they are going to try competing at the same price level as the Germans, now they will have no excuses for poor quality, before Cadillac could pass it off as value for money, 5 series size for 3 series money, so you could expect a few cut corners and slightly budget interior.

Will there also be a new coupe and station wagon?


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6100 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

The gigantic and bold LED things at the front don't go well with the very flat and bland sides of the car.


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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8710 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
Unfortunately I'm just not a fan of the interior "design language

I like the interior. Looks modern yet luxurious. I hope the feel of the materials matches the look - this has always been a GM problem - something looks good, then you touch it and it feels like cheap plastic.

BTW, anyone notice the size of the Cadillac emblems? Typical of the last generation, but really indicative of "design for people with poor eyesight"



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User currently offlineL0VE2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
the front still exhibits too much bling. This car seems to be designed to attract magpies rather than people with taste.

   Couldn't agree more, I'd take this one over any new Cadillac...

http://www.bizcadillacciyiz.com/img/cadillac-seville-accessories.jpg


If you need a new, good looking American sedan you can't go wrong with this beauty...

2013 Lincoln MKZ
http://stwot.motortrend.com/files/2012/04/2013-Lincoln-MKZ-red-front-three-quarter.jpg


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11919 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
I like the interior. Looks modern yet luxurious. I hope the feel of the materials matches the look - this has always been a GM problem - something looks good, then you touch it and it feels like cheap plastic.

It's just not my thing. There's a lot of design cues that tell me I'm in a Caddy, but I guess I really don't want to be in a Caddy. I want something more sports/luxury. I like Audi interiors. Too bad they don't come inside a BMW! 
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
BTW, anyone notice the size of the Cadillac emblems? Typical of the last generation, but really indicative of "design for people with poor eyesight"

Well, that's who have been buying them: old folks with fading eyesight...

But it is a fad to have huge emblems (see Merc et all).

Somehow the one on this Caddy doesn't bother me as much as older ones esp on the Esplinade.



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6631 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 12):

But it is a fad to have huge emblems (see Merc et all).

Merc have had large emblems for decades, that's hardly a fad.

http://www.dieselstation.com/wallpapers/albums/Mercedes/sl-300-gullwing/mercedes-sl-300-gullwing-08.jpg


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8710 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 12):
But it is a fad to have huge emblems (see Merc et all).

The Mercedes star, the BMW Kidneys are basically outlines - you can make them big without being overwhelming.

The Cadillac emblem is complex and of a different color from the rest of the grille. It screams at you.



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
I like the new look. I see traces of the CIEL concept.

I agree, 'Fly. The headlight tubes on the front are directly related to the Ciel concept. Make me very hopeful that the new Cadillac "Omega" platform flagship will look ALOT like the Ciel, since this new CTS mimicks the Ciel's styling in many ways.

Big version: Width: 1600 Height: 880 File size: 217kb
2015 Cadillac Ciel


[Edited 2013-03-26 20:06:54]


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User currently onlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3337 times:

We have better pictures now.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/03/26/2014-cadillac-cts-pictures-video/


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8200 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

The Cadillacs are good cars. But the styling on all of them is about 7/10. The slab sides are so tall. A little weird, but still best Cadillac lineup in 20 years, at least.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15459 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 16):
We have better pictures now.

The bright red is awful. The dark grey on the top picture is much better, as would be a darker burgundy. Caddy did themselves no favors with the car at the show.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 17):
ut the styling on all of them is about 7/10. The slab sides are so tall. A little weird, but still best Cadillac lineup in 20 years, at least.

This one's an 8 or a 9. Definitely the best since the XLR years ago. The hard edged Art and Science styling really only works on cars that are long and low. On shorter, scrunched up designs it looks bad, like the XTS and ELR.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8200 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 18):
On shorter, scrunched up designs it looks bad, like the XTS and ELR.

Yes the FWD proportions of XTS -- i mean it's okay but they could make it drop dead gorgeous.

Today I saw a CTS-V coupe nail the throttle and start fishtailing at 40-50 mph. It made a good noise!

[Edited 2013-03-26 22:12:39]

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15459 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 19):
Yes and when I sat in an XTS, and looked at it, it was like WTF, this is a narrow FWD GM car, not a real Cadillac.

The XTS looks like a Ford Fusion that's been in a front end collision.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 19):
The above CTS is RWD, but looks a little FWD. The proportions.

It seems quite a bit taller than it should be.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 19):
Today I saw a CTS-V coupe nail the throttle and start fishtailing at 40-50 mph. It made a good noise!

With the current version, you can buy one and have $20-30k left over to tune it for what an M5 or E63 would cost you.



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6631 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 20):
With the current version, you can buy one and have $20-30k left over to tune it for what an M5 or E63 would cost you.

I can't see many cross shopping a M5, RS6, E63 or XF-R with a CTS-V, it's similar in NZ or Aus folks won't be cross shopping HSV Commodores or FPV Falcons with the Euro's, it's a different market. That's why I'm highly surprised that Cadillac are going to try selling this with pricing to match the Euros, they have better have sorted out the fit, finish and interior quality if they want to be considered as equals, it's a brave move.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11919 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

So WTF is up with all the TLAs?

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 21):
That's why I'm highly surprised that Cadillac are going to try selling this with pricing to match the Euros, they have better have sorted out the fit, finish and interior quality if they want to be considered as equals, it's a brave move.

in general, yes, but as seen in these forums and elsewhere there is a certain number of fans, almost all from the US, who will want it despite any such flaws.

The Escalade was an expensive mess of plastic everywhere but it still sold.

In theory GM should have been able to use the bailout, the layoffs and the rewritten union contracts to address those fundamental issues.

I sure as heck hope they did.

Yes, they did build a certain mostly-electric car that some wish had not been built, but that's off-topic and has been beaten to death so please discuss that elsewhere.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6100 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3233 times:

BTW, can you really drive a heavy car like that with such rims and rubber, without breaking something at the first pothole ?


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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8200 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3223 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 21):
I can't see many cross shopping a M5, RS6, E63 or XF-R with a CTS-V, it's similar in NZ or Aus folks won't be cross shopping HSV Commodores or FPV Falcons with the Euro's, it's a different market.

Cadillac is absolutely competing with the M5.

You'll see every car magazine acknowledge that Cadillac has matched the 3 and 5 series BMWs in quality and performance, along with Lexus and perhaps Mercedes. It is just a question of which styling and brands appeal to whom. GM's quality control is just as good as anyone. Meanwhile, the Germans have been cost cutting. BMW reviews now mention numb steering and cheapened interior finishes.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15459 posts, RR: 26
Reply 25, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3259 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 21):
I can't see many cross shopping a M5, RS6, E63 or XF-R with a CTS-V, it's similar in NZ or Aus folks won't be cross shopping HSV Commodores or FPV Falcons with the Euro's, it's a different market.

You'd be stupid not to. The CTS-V is right there with the XFR, M5, et. al. The HSV and Falcons would be much more in line with a Charger SRT8 or the upcoming Chevy SS, which most likely would not be cross shopped with an M5 or E63.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 21):
That's why I'm highly surprised that Cadillac are going to try selling this with pricing to match the Euros, they have better have sorted out the fit, finish and interior quality if they want to be considered as equals, it's a brave move.

Honestly they kind of have for a while. They always had a lower base price, but it would climb very quickly when adding options. I never closely compared features, but my guess is that the price difference wasn't too large for similarly fitted out examples.



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User currently offlinedaedaeg From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

I own a 2011 CTS Coupe and love it. Hopefully they'll make a coupe for the new 2014 as well. I'd like to upgrade one day. I actually find the interior of Cadillac CTS to be way superior to the BMW 3 series, which was one of Cadillac's original competitors. Clearly the 3 series was more about performance than luxury. It looked very cheap compared to the caddy back when I was comparing cars.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21085 posts, RR: 56
Reply 27, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
I hope the feel of the materials matches the look - this has always been a GM problem - something looks good, then you touch it and it feels like cheap plastic.

   This has driven me nuts about US cars in general, though GM is the biggest offender. But things are getting better, slowly but surely.

But as a VW fan, it broke my heart to see all the cheapening that they did with the interior of the Jetta. That was their main selling point as far as I'm concerned - at least the Golf is still built with proper stuff.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 16):
We have better pictures now.

Could they have picked a worse color to show it off in?   

-Mir



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 28, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

No need to make a fuss about a press release. Making claims about going after the competition has been going on for ages. Nothing new here. Sure GM would like to lure some BMW buyers but at the end of the day, all that matters is that their cars are sold. I expect GM to continue to be successful with the CTS line up, regardless if their buyers cross-shopped with BMW.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 16):
We have better pictures now.


That color is a HORRIBLE choice for this car to make an introduction.
It should be in black or in gun-powder.



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User currently onlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 29, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

I don't get the color comments. Thankfully it is not in German gray/blue. Too boring. So was the first leaked picture - nothing but drab. Cadillac has always had bright colors, plenty of yellows and reds. Colors should appeal to younger buyers.

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 30, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3257 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 29):
Thankfully it is not in German gray/blue. Too boring

Agreed.
Same for white.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11919 posts, RR: 25
Reply 31, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3249 times:

Quoting daedaeg (Reply 26):
Clearly the 3 series was more about performance than luxury. It looked very cheap compared to the caddy back when I was comparing cars.

The 3 series interior is functional and has a few flourishes if you order them but not that many. To me the Caddy interior is all about the flourishes, and they annoy me more than anything else. As above I really like Audi interiors, too bad they come inside an Audi...



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6631 posts, RR: 3
Reply 32, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 24):

Cadillac is absolutely competing with the M5.

Only on performance, it's cheaper, doesn't have the same image and if I was a bloke with money the Germans or Jag would be getting my dish. I've had a CTS rental car 2 years ago, it was 2000 miles old the thing rattled and squeaked and the touch and feel areas are well behind what I would expect for a 5 series competitor. It was clearly a car built to a price. That's why I hope the new one is built much better if it's going to be price comparable, not just more bang for the buck.

Quoting daedaeg (Reply 26):
I actually find the interior of Cadillac CTS to be way superior to the BMW 3 series, which was one of Cadillac's original competitors.

As I said 3 series price, 5 series or in your case 6 series size.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 24):
You'll see every car magazine acknowledge that Cadillac has matched the 3 and 5 series BMWs in quality and performance

Only car magazines in the US, not anywhere else, not the UK, not Australia, and I very much doubt not in Germany.

Quoting Mir (Reply 27):


But as a VW fan, it broke my heart to see all the cheapening that they did with the interior of the Jetta.

The euro version is much nicer, I guess they had to build them down to a price, same as the US Passat, not as good as the rest of the world version.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8200 posts, RR: 3
Reply 33, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3217 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 31):
As above I really like Audi interiors, too bad they come inside an Audi...

On future TV reality shows they could say "Here is a 2005 Audi. Beautiful car. To correct all the design faults, we'll just swap in a Chevy 350, a GM automatic with rear wheel drive, rip out all the electronics with this hacksaw..."


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15459 posts, RR: 26
Reply 34, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3217 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 32):
Only on performance, it's cheaper, doesn't have the same image and if I was a bloke with money the Germans or Jag would be getting my dish.

Performance is where it counts for me. Besides, as much as I like the M5, pumping engine noise through the stereo kinda ruins the image for me. And that price difference looks really good for the CTS-V, especially considering the number of tuners out there working on them, no doubt helped by the use of a relatively common engine.



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6631 posts, RR: 3
Reply 35, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3196 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 34):
Performance is where it counts for me.

All those cars have far more performance than you or I or pretty much anyone outside of a professional driver would be able to exploit, so I'd rather have something with a tad more refinement and better resale. My performance sedan of choice would be an M550d x drive, but I'd much rather own a new Range Rover Sport, stunning car.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8230/8593291642_77e175d4ae_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8232/8592212267_0e24146775_c.jpg


User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 9):
The gigantic and bold LED things at the front don't go well with the very flat and bland sides of the car.

The arms race of LED lights is getting out of control. It seems like every auto manufacturer wants to outdo the other to see who can come up with the most obnoxious LED lights on their cars. Pretty soon we will have cars with LED lights all the way around them, blinking in obnoxious patterns. They are nothing but distracting. It is time for governments to regulate the use of LED lights in vehicles that use public roads.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 37, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3126 times:

Quoting bohica (Reply 36):
Pretty soon we will have cars with LED lights all the way around them, blinking in obnoxious patterns.



Don't give them any new ideas.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 23):
BTW, can you really drive a heavy car like that with such rims and rubber, without breaking something at the first pothole ?


It's an ugly trend that's affected every car manufacturer. I really don't get the giant metal rim with thin low profile tire trend over the past 10 years. It's OK for a sports car but not every car.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
I hope the feel of the materials matches the look - this has always been a GM problem - something looks good, then you touch it and it feels like cheap plastic.



Chryslers of the 1980s & early 1990s were particularly bad for this. I think many of those upmarket K-car variants were gorgeous but as you know, underneath the surface was a gutless, front-drive 4-banger turbo with poor reliability.



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User currently offlineafterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

Quoting na (Reply 2):
Doesnt look bad though the side has a bit too much Mercedes E-Class about it, dont you think?

From the side it reminds me of Toyota Camry (especially from A to C pillar).


User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5392 posts, RR: 26
Reply 39, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

Year and a half ago, wife and I shopped for a nice, late-model used car for her; short list was a 535i BMW, and a Cadillac CTS. We ended up with the BMW, because the CTS, used, was more money. A lot more.

The market seems to repect the CTS just fine.

She loves the BMW, by the way, but I still have an eye for the Caddy.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 40, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 39):
She loves the BMW, by the way, but I still have an eye for the Caddy.



No 2002-2006 Ford Thunderbird?
I remember you saying how much she loved those.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 39):
The market seems to respect the CTS just fine.



The used STS-Vs are still going for an insane amount of money. They're more rare than the CTS.



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User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3219 posts, RR: 13
Reply 41, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

Aesna and 'Fly's comments about the insane trend to ultra low profile tires on insane large diameter rims degrading everyday driving reliability is spot on. Being formerly involved in the auto design profession I can assure you that this trend started from styling sketches for visual effect. Then the renderings (artwork) trend translated to car shows (at that time mostly "trailer queens"), then picked up by individuals and radical "customizers" for the streeters that wanted to visually shock by excess. But wait! Some of the youngun's at the manufacturers saw a styling benifit, plus certain such wheel/tire combos were actually benificial to balls-out performance. and thus began a new race for extravagance by the car companies. Problem was (is) that this extravagance actually causes more headaches than it,s worth for the average consumer.

People (including the infallable astute engineers that approve this folly) seem to forget that a tire is part of a vehicle's suspension and no matter how sophisticated the base suspension system is, when you reduce the measurement from a wheel rim outer diameter to the the outer diameter of the tire you are degrading part of the suspension's function to absorb impact loads. But it LOOKS cool! Duh! I can't count how many bent rims and deflated tires I've seen on vehicles with large dia. wheels and "rubber band" tires around here. I slightly upped the tire aspect ratio of wifey's 300C a few years ago and it worked wonders drivimg on our unimproved gravel road with no noticeable degradation in vehicle dynamics on aggresive roundy-corner speed spurts. Railroad tracks and potholes don't cause pucker factors either.

That rant put to bed, I like this new Caddy (and so does she), but this ol' Hemi just keeps being perfect, plus we really still like the styling. If I wanted to truely upgrade to a super luxo with timeless styling though, I'd find a pristine 1961 Lincoln Continental convertible. And I'd keep the stock wheel/tire combo, too. regards...jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11919 posts, RR: 25
Reply 42, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3052 times:

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 41):
Duh! I can't count how many bent rims and deflated tires I've seen on vehicles with large dia. wheels and "rubber band" tires around here.

Dangerous too. I hit a pothole which really rattled my bones and made me curse, but I didn't correlate that event to an ensuing vibration at high speed because it wasn't that noticeable and the event happened at relatively low speed.

I did inspect the outside of the rims/tires but had no good way to check the inner walls.

Long story short, I had bent the inner rim and the tire had weakened to the point there was a big bubble forming.

It was discovered after I mentioned the vibration to my mechanic and he had it up in the air to inspect it.

I was driving around for a few weeks on a tire that could have let go at any point...



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8200 posts, RR: 3
Reply 43, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3023 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 42):

Dangerous too. I hit a pothole which really rattled my bones and made me curse, but I didn't correlate that event to an ensuing vibration at high speed because it wasn't that noticeable and the event happened at relatively low speed.

Yes these lo pro tires are a major deficit in normal driving. Car mags are often including $4000+ in wheel repair costs in typical long term testing. That is insane. Not only the cost, but also, the danger. Diving around on a thin-tread, wobbling, hobbling piece of trash.

Basically these cars are not roadworthy outside of California

[Edited 2013-03-28 07:47:56]

User currently onlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 44, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 43):
Basically these cars are not roadworthy outside of California

We have among the worst road maintenance in the country. I don't know why you think they are any more roadworthy here.
I was just wondering this week about the feasibility of installing higher aspect tires on a new car. I have a house on a road that many of these cars simply cannot travel.


User currently offlineflight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3369 posts, RR: 6
Reply 45, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 43):
Basically these cars are not roadworthy outside of California

You've driven on every road to know only the good ones are in California?


User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5392 posts, RR: 26
Reply 46, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2928 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 40):
No 2002-2006 Ford Thunderbird?
I remember you saying how much she loved those.

She just loves the German car vibe.

When I am compelled to fly... on the ground instead of in the air... I understand. It is an effortless speedster, with road dynamics which absolutely make driving fast, safer.

I still miss my Deville, though. And I have a faint idea of buying a good, black Town Car, doing some mild suspension tuning and putting in an engine from a Marauder (or equivalent). I can dream...

Quoting Superfly (Reply 40):


The used STS-Vs are still going for an insane amount of money. They're more rare than the CTS.

(sigh...)

I wish. High-revving Northstar power, rear-wheel-drive, roomy cabin.



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5398 posts, RR: 12
Reply 47, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

A vast improvement over this current generation with that funky wierd rear side window. This car looks classy whereas the current model looks like a bad pimp mobile wannabe!


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 48, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2783 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 46):
I have a faint idea of buying a good, black Town Car, doing some mild suspension tuning and putting in an engine from a Marauder (or equivalent). I can dream...

Dream?
Just do it!   
The suspension is fine. Just drop in a Maurader / Police Interceptor engine and be done with it. See if it's possible to drop in the 5.4 liter but with the manifold of the 4.6liter. You would have more bottom end torqu with that set up.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 46):
I wish. High-revving Northstar power, rear-wheel-drive, roomy cabin.

Try to find one in black.  
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 47):
the current model looks like a bad pimp mobile wannabe!

Cadillac hasn't made a proper pimpmobile since the 1978 Eldorado.
The 1984 and older Coupe DeVilles came close but the 1978 Eldorado was the last of the great pimpmobile era.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5398 posts, RR: 12
Reply 49, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 48):
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 47):
the current model looks like a bad pimp mobile wannabe!

Cadillac hasn't made a proper pimpmobile since the 1978 Eldorado.
The 1984 and older Coupe DeVilles came close but the 1978 Eldorado was the last of the great pimpmobile era.

True that! The current CTS's is better described as a bad example of excess, trying to achieve a classic/pimped out look but fails on all counts. It looks like whoever styled that one's job was designing those bloated fugly SUV's and desigining the car was an unwanted hurry up task. The new design is light years better looking. Now the first generation CTS was not bad looking and looks more modern than that middle generation.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 50, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 49):
The current CTS's is better described as a bad example of excess,


Huh? Looks very minimalist to me.
It doesn't have a hood ornament, body-side moldings, chrome, fender skirts, woodgrain interior appointments, styled door panels, button down loose pillow seats or anything.
I see nothing "excessive" about it. It looks like a bland German styled car to me.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 49):
trying to achieve a classic/pimped out look but fails on all counts.


There is nothing "pimp" about anything Cadillac has put out in a generation.



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5398 posts, RR: 12
Reply 51, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 50):

That over slanted out of proportion rear side window literally kills the design of the second generation CTS that won't be missed!



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 52, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 51):
That over slanted out of proportion rear side window literally kills the design of the second generation CTS that won't be missed!




No argument there but that is most new cars today unfortunately.



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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5392 posts, RR: 26
Reply 53, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 48):
Quoting sccutler (Reply 46):
I have a faint idea of buying a good, black Town Car, doing some mild suspension tuning and putting in an engine from a Marauder (or equivalent). I can dream...

Dream?
Just do it!   
The suspension is fine. Just drop in a Maurader / Police Interceptor engine and be done with it. See if it's possible to drop in the 5.4 liter but with the manifold of the 4.6liter. You would have more bottom end torqu with that set up.

Man alive, ever since I started watching Justified on TV, I've wanted a black Town Car. He makes Lincoln cool again (as if it was ever not).



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 54, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 53):
Man alive, ever since I started watching Justified on TV, I've wanted a black Town Car. He makes Lincoln cool again (as if it was ever not).



That is the proper color for all Town Cars and just about any full-sized luxury sedan.
The 4.6 that comes with the Town Car is the same block as the 5.4. The only difference is that it has a taller intake manifold and is the reason it wasn't in the panther platform. It would have required a hood, grille and front fender reskin.
If you do buy a Town Car, try to find and 'L' series. It has a 6" longer wheelbase.
The 2003 Cartier L series is a sweet one to have.  



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