Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8369 posts, RR: 24 Reply 6, posted (8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1333 times:
Quoting Devilfish (Reply 4): Like cults leading and forcing their followers to commit mass suicide
Forcing??? I have never heard of a cult forcing anyone to commit suicide. All the cases I have heard of the participants were happy to go along with it - in which case I see it as Darwin in action, and we are all better off for it.
I draw the line at children however. Children of parents who are in a cult are victims - no question.
Darksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1206 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1267 times:
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 7):
There is a Greek Island called Tinos. On this island is a church called Panagia Evangelistria where old and elderly women would crawl on hands and knees up the approach to the church in supplication.
To understand this, you have to realize that the approach is about 1/3rd mile with an elevation change of about 200 ft, give or take
I watched some folks do this in Costa Rica a few years back. This wasn't a small or remote area either. Definitely weird, yes.
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neutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 530 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (8 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1172 times:
Not to belittle the people and their practice but the whole affair is actually quite tame and not as gory as it's made out to be. I witnessed it in person a few years ago and what I briefly described below is based on what I had seen with my own eyes. Others might see it differently.
The nailing through the palms and feet were carefully carried out by experienced persons (probably medically-trained) who ensured that the nails only went through the flesh and not veins, arteries and bones. Except for the rare misses, hardly any blood were spilled in the entire process of nails-in & nails-out which were over in a couple of minutes.
Medics and ambulances were on hand to tend to the superficial injuries and the occasional minor mishaps.
I have been brought up on regular visual diets of temple mediums (mainly Hindus & Taoists) being impaled with needles, swords, spears and other manners of sharp weapons on almost all parts of their bodies and walking around for hours. Take it from me, the crucifixions, painful as they surely are, cannot even begin to be compared to what the priests & devotees of the above-mentioned oriental faiths have gone through.
Unlike the crucifixions which were real, the whippings were a sham. The red stuff was not blood but just some dyed thickened liquid which the whippers dipped into from a pail (my shirt and jeans were splashed by many flying droplets from the swinging whips of cloth/leather strips). No skin were split open; at worst there are welts from inadvertently heavier than intended "blows".
That said, my respect goes to the grit of those ladies & gentlemen who got their palms and feet punctured. Its pain that I wouldn't and couldn't endure.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 17924 posts, RR: 57 Reply 10, posted (8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1124 times:
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3): Could be worse. They could be nailing other people to the cross. As long as they only use volunteers then no problem.
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6): I draw the line at children however. Children of parents who are in a cult are victims - no question.
I agree on both counts. What consenting adults do, even though it turns my stomach, is not my business. So while I am aware that this activity goes on, I choose to ignore it. The instant someone does it to an animal (and I've seen a photo of this being done with a cat...horrible) or a child, then I think that it becomes someone else's business.
In the US this would probably not be legal because in the US you cannot legally agree to be harmed. So for example, if I ask you to kill me and you do, you don't have a legal defense. Similarly, if I ask you to dismember me and you do, etc...
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39423 posts, RR: 76 Reply 11, posted (8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1119 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10): What consenting adults do, even though it turns my stomach, is not my business. So while I am aware that this activity goes on, I choose to ignore it. The instant someone does it to an animal (and I've seen a photo of this being done with a cat...horrible) or a child, then I think that it becomes someone else's business.
Devilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4600 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1076 times:
Quoting AR385 (Reply 12):
Considering that their God only sent one person to be crucified so horribly, I think this "dedication" is just the mis-interpretation of fanatics.
There is no denying that the practice borders on fanaticism and thus, labeled by the local Church as misguided. However, it's the same Church that proffers the Bible which tells them "to pick up your own Cross and follow me." Pity the simple mind who takes the commandment to heart and fulfill it in earnest.
For the most part, it's a penance done for the atonement of sins, or (as told in the OP) a sacrifice for protection. The number of Good Fridays the penitent vows to do it varies with the gravity of the sin or the seriousness of the plea. Much like how the Father Confessor admonishes one to say so many Our Fathers and Hail Marys for an impure thought.
In many ways, it's just the local version of juramentos y mandas that you may be familiar with in your work. With a fair bit of native influences thrown into the mix. An unavoidable outcome of the Frailes ramming their religion down our "heathen" throats.
neutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 530 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1030 times:
Quoting neutrino (Reply 9): .....temple mediums (mainly Hindus & Taoists) being impaled with needles, swords, spears and other manners of sharp weapons on almost all parts of their bodies and walking around for hours.
flipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1533 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1022 times:
Why would any sane god appreciate it when people hurt them selves in its name? Surely a nice god wants you to just get on with your life and be a good person without wasting time and money on such shenanigans, a god that wants sacrifice seems like one not to follow.
CPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5864 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 981 times:
Danish TV had a documentary on last night, where they followed Ruben Enaje who had his 27th and final crucifixion this year ( I guess they followed him last year). The first 10 came about as a promise he had made, after he survived falling off some builders scaffolding, and the last 17 came after his daughter survived some serious illness.
As others have mentioned, it's all carefully choreographed, with the nails being sterilized, experienced persons ensuring the nails only goes through flesh, and medical staff being on standby to ensure nothing goes wrong. Add to that that they're only on the cross for a rather brief period (2 minutes on average for new devotees, up to 15 minutes for the more experienced ones).
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39423 posts, RR: 76 Reply 17, posted (8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 945 times:
Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 15): Why would any sane god appreciate it when people hurt them selves in its name? Surely a nice god wants you to just get on with your life and be a good person without wasting time and money on such shenanigans, a god that wants sacrifice seems like one not to follow.
No God condones or appreciate this.
They are attempting to relive the pain & suffereing of Jesus Christ in his final hours. No Bible condones this in anyway.