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Elderly Congressman Calls Farm Workers "Wetbacks"  
User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12964 posts, RR: 25
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21976584 says:

Quote:

The Republican congressman representing the state of Alaska has apologised for using a word considered derogatory to Hispanic workers in a radio interview.

Don Young, 79, said he "meant no disrespect" when he referred to Hispanic labourers on the California farm where he grew up as "wetbacks".

...

During a discussion on a local radio station of the US labour market on Thursday, Mr Young said of his father's farm: "We used to have 50-60 wetbacks to pick tomatoes."

"It takes two people to pick the same tomatoes now. It's all done by machine," he added.

In a statement later, the 21-term congressman said: "I know that this term is not used in the same way nowadays" even though it was in common use when he was a child.

This dude is way out of touch.

IMHO he should consider immediate retirement.


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User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

So are all the left wing nuts who call George Bush a Nazi... it's runs in circles my friend.


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User currently offlineJetsgo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

I don't care what side you're on, what views you hold, or how you perform... nobody should be allowed to serve 21 terms. Perhaps this will be the nail in his coffin.


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User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

Now that I agree with.. The single largest issue our country has is not having term limits for the House, Senate and Supreme court. Member's of Congress should get average pay and no lifetime benefits once they leave.


Christopher W Slovacek
User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2328 times:
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Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 1):
So are all the left wing nuts who call George Bush a Nazi... it's runs in circles my friend.

Apart from people saying stupid thing on both ends..

The GOP is falling over itself to appeal to Hispanics..

When "left wing nuts" called GWB a Nazi - they did not want to appeal to the Germans..

That the difference: This guy is insulting the very people that the GOP wants to appeal to.



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User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

I'm not saying its right to call them that publicly; however, there is a huge double standard in the media between what the left can say and get away with compared to the right.


Christopher W Slovacek
User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2308 times:
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Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 5):
however, there is a huge double standard in the media between what the left can say and get away with compared to the right.

No there is not. The story here is not "politician says stupid things" - the story is the irony that he is insulting the very people that the GOP wants to appeal to and how that flies in the face with recent problems that the GOP is having



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User currently onlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8963 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 4):

When "left wing nuts" called GWB a Nazi - they did not want to appeal to the Germans..

Kinda funny - leftists calling GWB a statist socialist...

Quoting mt99 (Reply 4):
That the difference: This guy is insulting the very people that the GOP wants to appeal to.

I don't know about you, but part of my family lived in Texas and grew up in the early 20th century using such language. I never heard the term used in a mean manner - I always heard the term to generally mean people who both a) crossed the border in perhaps not the most legal prescribed way, and b) would work their butts off for relatively little pay. Their willingness to work hard was always respected. The attitudes of my grandparents was "yeah, they are illegal, but they work hard and they must really be poor at home to come work for these wages, so we feel sorry for them". Of course that was long before they numbered over 10 million strong... It was not meant as an insulting term, like, let's say, "Jiggaboo", which can only be interpreted in one way.



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2296 times:
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
early 20th century
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
I never heard the term used in a mean manner -
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
It was not meant as an insulting term

Sorry to tell you, the early 20th Century was a long time ago. I honestly do not think that Mr Young (at 79 years old) meant it as an insult.

However, it highlights the "old" "white" problem that the GOP has - That's the story here.



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User currently onlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8963 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 8):
However, it highlights the "old" "white" problem that the GOP has - That's the story here.

I think it has more to do with the "new" "intolerant" to me.



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2287 times:
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
I think it has more to do with the "new" "intolerant" to me.

You now consider Bohener intolerant? He had harsh words for the Gentleman from Alaska.

John Boehner the Intolerant. I must remember that one  

""Congressman Young’s remarks were offensive and beneath the dignity of the office he holds," Boehner said. "I don’t care why he said it -- there’s no excuse and it warrants an immediate apology."'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n-boehner-don-young_n_2979277.html



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29836 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

As one of his constuants i am still trying wrap my head around the thread title of him as, "Elderly"

I doubt he is going anywhere anytime soon. He has always enjoyed the support of the native corperations up here.

This is par for the course. Besides we can't get rid of somebody who was willing to threaten an interior department facist with an Oosik.



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User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1412 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):

This dude is way out of touch.

IMHO he should consider immediate retirement.

At 79, anyone should be considering that. Although I do get what you're saying.

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 1):

So are all the left wing nuts who call George Bush a Nazi...

Crap, that's confusing. Which one is that meant to insult?

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 2):

I don't care what side you're on, what views you hold, or how you perform... nobody should be allowed to serve 21 terms.

Seriously, I'll buy that. 21 terms and you're not a Senator, you're an Arch - Duke.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
It was not meant as an insulting term, like, let's say, "Jiggaboo", which can only be interpreted in one way.

Wow. First time I've heard that one in this hemisphere...

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
I think it has more to do with the "new" "intolerant" to me.

No, not really. There's a huge (and likely deliberate) misperception that the GOP and right wingers seem to enjoy perpetuating that being tolerant means somehow tolerating intolerance. It doesn't, and never will.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 1):
So are all the left wing nuts who call George Bush a Nazi...

I don't see the connection to Nazi-ism. I just go with idiot or dope.

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 2):
nobody should be allowed to serve 21 terms

I believe in term limits and a mandatory retirement age. They wouldn't be necessary in an ideal world, but this is not an ideal world. We see people like Harry Reid (yes, I'm criticizing a Dem...) who are more concerned with the prerogatives of the Senate and the Senators and less concerned with implementing any of the policies he and his party were elected to implement, and that bothers me.

I'd be fine with something like 12 or 18 years, 2-3 senatorial terms, as a max for both Senate and House.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 11):
As one of his constuants i am still trying wrap my head around the thread title of him as, "Elderly"

Dictonary.com gives us:

Quote:

elderly
adjective
1. somewhat old; near old age: a resort for elderly people.
2. of or pertaining to persons in later life.

He doesn't look at all youthful in the picture in the article and I think by 79 one can cope with the title 'elderly', IMHO. Where do you draw the line?



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User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2602 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
I don't know about you, but part of my family lived in Texas and grew up in the early 20th century using such language. I never heard the term used in a mean manner

Tell you what.......travel to East L.A. and call your fellow pedestrians that with a smile on your face.

I think you'll find out you're in the 21st Century.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15833 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

This guy's an idiot. His family farm was located in California, so whatever Hispanic workers may have been there probably weren't actually wetbacks. Get that man a map.


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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

Well to be fair, Young did apologize you know "I'm sorry if I offended you, we don't in the good ole days anymore". Boehner made made say sorry. If the Republicans want to bring Hispanics and other people, why don't they stop being a party of angry old white men and women who reminisce of the great bygone days of America.


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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2366 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2181 times:

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 1):
So are all the left wing nuts who call George Bush a Nazi... it's runs in circles my friend.
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
Kinda funny - leftists calling GWB a statist socialist...

The difference is that the term Nazi/socialist/communist/stalinist/facist etc are not really considered racial slurs. You don't go around calling people wetbacks, the n word, cracker, etc in public settings such as a radio interview.


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3377 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 17):
You don't go around calling people wetbacks, the n word, cracker, etc in public settings such as a radio interview.

Especially, as has been said, when you are trying to appeal to that same people.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8478 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
I don't know about you, but part of my family lived in Texas and grew up in the early 20th century using such language.

I spent the 50's in Texas and, yes, it was a common term at the time - and it wasn't delivered in a demeaning manner most of the time.

So we've gone from "Wetback" to "Illegals" to "Undocumented" - and maybe something in-between.

But "african Americans" have also gone through different phrases. When I was young it was "Colored People", then "Negro", then "Black" and now African American, which IMO has too many syllables.

Basically you cal pretty well guess a person's age range by which terms he or she uses.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 8):
Sorry to tell you, the early 20th Century was a long time ago.

Just a little over 13 years ago.

A long time ago was something like 1969 when man first walked on the moon.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 8):
However, it highlights the "old" "white" problem that the GOP has - That's the story here.

The GOP in this century is only about money. Cutting taxes for the wealthiest individuals and companies regardless of the costs to the country or those in "lower economic situations". They could care less about equal rights, immigration reform or gay marriage outside of how it impacts their ability to achieve their financial related goals.


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2366 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 19):
Just a little over 13 years ago.

A long time ago was something like 1969 when man first walked on the moon.

No, 13 years ago was the end of the late 20th century, and the beginning of the 21st century. I don't know what you would consider the cutoff between early and mid 20th century to be, but it is certainly older than 1969.


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13199 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

It is sad when a member of Congress uses such an obsolete and offensive term in this day an age. At 79, he is really to old to be a member of congress, he could retire now and live very well on his pension. No problem that a conservative R would replace him, so no loss there. I have long advocated that there should be a maximum age one can be in elected or appointed office, for example many states cap serving as a Judge to age 70-75.

User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

Hmm....I wonder why this one escaped the conversation?

http://news.yahoo.com/rep-bruce-bral...ics.html?bcmt_s=m#ugccmt-container

Quoting mt99 (Reply 4):
The GOP is falling over itself to appeal to Hispanics..

Well,we just didn't understand the ultra liberal playbook of illegal is legal under Obama and his state media..We got it right now.Thanks.In 2014 we will control the Senate and the POTUS in 2016.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 8):
However, it highlights the "old" "white" problem that the GOP has - That's the story here.

As oppose to ultra liberal extremists hijacking the democratic party.Read the DOMA act of 1996 and the democrats reaction.Talk about flip-flop from a bunch "old" white folks who are still in place with the demos,wow!We just need to learn that art.And didn't Obama from the first term?

[Edited 2013-03-29 18:23:29]


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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15833 posts, RR: 27
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2007 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 19):
But "african Americans" have also gone through different phrases. When I was young it was "Colored People", then "Negro", then "Black" and now African American, which IMO has too many syllables.

African American seems odd to me because it makes them sound foreign. Many of their families have been here longer than mine but I don't consider myself European American.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 19):
The GOP in this century is only about money.

Be nice if it was, they'd be better liked.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 19):
They could care less about equal rights, immigration reform or gay marriage outside of how it impacts their ability to achieve their financial related goals.

I am totally behind that platform. I have enough actual problems of my own to not want to take on everyone else's issues, which is what liberals seem interested in doing.

Quoting Polot (Reply 20):
I don't know what you would consider the cutoff between early and mid 20th century to be, but it is certainly older than 1969.

From an American perspective, I think you'd have to say the end of the Cold War.



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4792 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1979 times:

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 22):

Hmm....I wonder why this one escaped the conversation?

Because it was a term that referenced a sad event in history in reference to a sports loss and not a derogatory slur on a bunch of people that the GOP is trying to court. It was a dumb statement, but at least not a derogatory term.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 23):
African American seems odd to me because it makes them sound foreign

It always strikes me as odd, as people from many parts of that Continent, do not meet the acceptable skin coloring to qualify.



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25 mt99 : Mr Rassmusen? Mr Rove? Who is this?
26 Revelation : Obama ultra liberal? LOL! You should go out and meet some hard-left liberals some day and find out how pissed they are about Obama. Not much evidence
27 blueflyer : So it is settled then. Don Young is a right-wing nut. Because this isn't the NYT and we don't believe in the absolute necessity to find an equal amou
28 Dreadnought : Just because you spend money does not mean you are accomplishing anything. BS. The reason Obama claims the high number of extraditions is the adminis
29 rlwynn : I grew up in Southern California in the 70's. I have never heard wetback used in anything but a bad way. When using a term for migrant farm workers it
30 AustinAllison : It is a term still used in Texas, and maybe you have to be from here to understand its true meaning since it originated here. If someone did illegally
31 Pellegrine : It really shows you how racist a lot of conservative Americans still are. This is prejudice plain and simple. He wouldn't have apologized if he hadn't
32 Dreadnought : Shhhh... They did not immigrate illegally. They immigrated without documentation. Please explain to me how it is racist. Do you even know what the te
33 FlyPNS1 : Yet conservatives want to spend billions of extra dollars on border security (also known as corporate welfare payments to defense contractors) that w
34 Dreadnought : No, we want to control the border. How much it costs to do that (whether more or less) is completely irrelevant.
35 BMI727 : Giving welfare and food stamps to a black person costs just as much as doing the same for a white person. Besides, he's from Alaska. I'm sure he can
36 Mir : Tip: if you want to try and gain a broader following from a certain ethnic group, trying to convince them that the term they view as racist isn't rea
37 Polot : In fact, if you are not careful how you do so then trying to explain it can make you sound more racist than just using the term...
38 Mir : Actually, I'm not sure there's any way to try and explain it without sounding more racist. -Mir
39 AustinAllison : Since when could illegal aliens have a say in political matters they have no right being involved? Mexicans in Texas dislike illegal aliens just as m
40 Mir : Keep digging yourself that hole. It doesn't matter what your opinion is, it matters what theirs is. -Mir
41 DeltaMD90 : Yeah, I consider themselves just American rather than African American. Like you said, we don't refer to white Americans as European Americans, do we
42 Viscount724 : When I hear the term "African American" used to refer to someone based strictly on their race, I often wonder how the speaker knows that the person t
43 Dreadnought : And never mind people like a friend of mine, White and blue-eyed, born in South Africa and emigrated here some years ago. He's a true African America
44 AR385 : I really don´t know which part of Texas you are from, but the parts from where I spent most of my childhood, the term "wetback" was derogatory, insu
45 Pellegrine : "Wetback" is a very specific racist term. If you want to bring it, I will meet you there. I do not stand for racism. If that means tossing a grenade
46 Dreadnought : But how is it racist? As far as I know, the only races within the human race are white, black, and asian. You may call it xenophobic - in which case
47 AviRaider : Ok I'm born and raised in Texas. To the hispanic community it is derogatory and it's understandable, in the white communtiy maybe the black too, I'm n
48 slider : 79 year old, 42 years in the House. Oligarch all the way. Senile old bat. GTFO!!!! Wake up Alaskans....ridiculous.
49 KiwiRob : Can't be too much of an idiot, he's been voted in 21 times. It's really no different than Japanese American, Chinese American, Italian American, Poli
50 casinterest : Really? What definition are you using? Us Census has far more races in their documents. How are you able to justify that a word that is applied by pe
51 mt99 : Simple. In his world "Racism" does not exist..
52 Dreadnought : Ethnicity is not the same as race. And in my opinion such questions should be stricken from the Census and all public and private questionnaires. The
53 casinterest : How do you know their ethnicity by just looking at them?
54 DeltaMD90 : I agree that people do often go overboard with the anti-immigrant thing when talking about tighter security, but I don't see how that justifies using
55 Dreadnought : You often can't, and that is a good thing. Dividing people along ethnic and/or racial lines only perpetuates people feeling different from others, fu
56 casinterest : Therefore, wetback when applied to people based on no knowledge other than appearance is racist.
57 BMI727 : Then call him out. I don't really care what 79 year old representatives from Alaska think about Hispanics anyway, other than that being openly racist
58 Dreadnought : Are you accusing someone of doing that?
59 Pellegrine : I almost don't even want to waste my breath, but I am always open to negotiation and finding a common ground. 'Race' is a human construct, and it is o
60 casinterest : ??????? This makes no sense. You were asking about why wetback is a racist term.
61 Dreadnought : You said: I am asking you specifically if you were accusing me (or anyone else for that matter) of applying the term "wetback" to people purely based
62 casinterest : It is a crude term for "illegal immigrant" There is nothing specifically descriptive about it, in relation to having crossed the Rio Grande. In fact
63 zckls04 : It's also a lazy story used by certain people almost endlessly to justify casual racism. Not saying you're one of them, but it's displayed time and t
64 Pellegrine : I don't think anyone was specifically accusing you of anything in reading this thread. Your defense of an obviously inflammatory word makes you look
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