aircatalonia From Spain, joined Nov 2007, 535 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4542 times:
Quoting NoUFO (Reply 8): And what difference does drawing proper trajectories make?
Well, it makes no difference. It's just that if they were to launch a (hypothetical) missile I don't think it would follow parallel 40 all the way to America. It would fly north, then south, as airplanes do. But, yeah, I don't think they have the weapon
ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12665 posts, RR: 13 Reply 13, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4448 times:
Once again the wingnuts that run NK are trying to extort China, SK, the USA and the rest of the world to make one sided deals without any human rights changes in their country, to end their exporting of missiles and bomb tech. NK is also deeply involved in the illegal drug trade, using their 'diplomats' to obtain Euros and USD's. I hope their next bomb test ends up landing deep in their capital city and take out their sick leaders.
I like them both... I dig the uniforms too. I wonder what all those ribbons mean. It isn't like the DPRK has been in war after war where a man could earn all those medals.
When the DPRK finally goes away just think of all the neat junk that will be on the surplus market. I remember surplus stores being full of DDR and USSR stuff in the early/mid 1990s. I got me one of the cool Soviet Navy clocks, maybe I could score a North Korean clock for a companion piece one day.
Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 5700 posts, RR: 9 Reply 21, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4139 times:
The kepis are a little "fat" (they should be cylindrical) but OK, however the other hats look like inverted mushrooms, I can't take someone wearing that seriously (I find that the oversized ones in Russia are already over the top).
New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
wardialer From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1178 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4029 times:
All those maps are FAKE big time....
Missile tracks are planned as Great Circle tracks and not Rhumbline (straight) like the one on the maps from the pics.
Any USAF will tell you this concept. Great Cirlce tracks can use Polar routes. They mean the same.
The and phones are similar to these used by the US Presidents: http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/motorola/sectel/
Secondly, does anyone believe NK has even missiles? NK is one of the poorest countries 2nd to Haiti and you tell me that they can afford to own missiles? Come on....
blueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3445 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3908 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 23): NK is poor because they divert all their money into the military. If they need to induce more poverty to afford a small missile stockpile, they'd have no problem doing it.
Recent reports seem to indicate that sanctions are starting to bite even the military. I read in a foreign policy newsletter (sorry, can't recall which, probably Foreign Affairs) that the current increase in tension may have as much to do with the need to find a reason why some army units are not getting sufficient food ration on time, that is because they are too busy prepping and moving into position ahead of a military confrontation.
The army elite is still well fed, of course, but it is a small corps.
I've got $h*t to do
25 wardialer: Maybe we should train Kim on how to use GCCS mapping tool such as this one. http://www.disa.mil/Services/Command...-Control/GCCS-J/Technical-Training
26 NoUFO: That would be bad idea. Much worse than just ignoring him.
27 MD11Engineer: The Chinese apparently got fed up after the last nuke test and really closed the border, even interdicting smuggling. Jan
28 WestJet747: Yes, I realize we're joking here, but unless someone here can read Korean, how do we know it's a trajectory map? I'm digging the Russian style. Remin
29 GDB: Ouch! But with a lot of truth in that joke too. The huge famines of the 1990's and continuing food shortages have stunted a whole generation of North
30 BMI727: Supposedly they always assign their tallest and healthiest looking soldiers to the border.
31 NoUFO: Yes, and so does the south, but by average they are indeed taller. A 20-year-old from North Korea is about 1.60 m (5.2 ft), a South Korean of the sam
32 GDB: True, they also have faked up model villages just over the border as well. It's likely that again, this whole blood curdling belligerence from the DP
33 wardialer: If hes making these threats of targeting the US, why not charge him with US Fedral law which would be a Felony. I dont understand why we cannot send F
34 kaitak: The trouble is, now, that nerves are stretched to breaking point; all it would take would be one North (or indeed South) Korean troops to be too trigg
35 BMI727: Last time we wanted to do that we had to invade the whole country. Then it's the biggest, and possibly last, mistake the North Koreans will make.
36 WestJet747: That would be a terrible tragedy, although I have a feeling that there would be far more backlash in this event than with the KE 007 accident. There
37 BMI727: Except that it's been done before. Manuel Noriega was tried in Florida and sentenced to 17 years in prison which he served before being passed off to
38 WestJet747: Noriega was a drug lord that trafficked drugs to the US. He actually committed crimes against the US and it could be proven. This is besides the fact
39 PHX787: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M (nsfw....kinda) :D They did sign on to the sanctions so I'm assuming they're enforcing them as much as they
40 Pellegrine: What is this thread actually about except for a few conservative American (or western) Airliners.net members thumping their chests and posturing on a
41 TheCol: You're more than welcome to share your opinion. Please enlighten us on a different course of action.
42 kaitak: Any posturing and chest thumping is being done by the N Koreans. I don't think there is anything wrong with speculating on likely responses or a poss
43 BMI727: It's rather amusing that North Korea doesn't realize or acknowledge the fact that they could be summarily curb stomped at pretty much anytime.
44 pvjin: Nothing serious about this, just North Korea doing its usual threats to strengthen the order inside the country. It's nothing to worry about. North K
45 luckyone: The have the fourth largest standing army on the planet defending a mostly mountainous area approximately the size of Pennsylvania. For comparison's
46 DeltaMD90: I don't think we'd go in all willy nilly... we'd do what we always do: strike communications (I'm sure there is a cruise missile pointed at every com
47 falstaff: If I recall Iraq had the 4th largest Army in the world in 1988 and had close to a million men and they folded fairly quick in 1991. Even of the they
48 KaiGywer: Saw a funny comic on Facebook the other day, but can't find it now. Basically it's a hissy fit Kim Jong Un throwing a rocket at a giant US Soldier and
49 BMI727: I'm not sure that's the case. First, the control of the media and message there is complete. There's no reason why they need to actually say or do an
50 luckyone: You must be joking. We already did that once (technically twice) in Japan on the heels of a REAL war and a real attack and we are still debating whet
51 DeltaMD90: I do believe he studied abroad, in Switzerland IIRC... there was hope that he'd be less crazy because of this Well it's more detailed than that, they
52 BMI727: Only stupid people are. It was actually an unquestionably good idea, as illustrated by the fact that the US has still not used up all of the Purple H
53 pvjin: Yeah let's kill all the innocent civilians who have been brainwashed by the evil government to behave like that, totally good ethical idea. But oh I
54 BMI727: You'd hope so, but then he had a summit with Dennis Rodman so... Considering the levels of brainwashing and leader worship that go on there, I'm not
55 pvjin: It's not their fault that they are brainwashed, it's not their own decision to become like that. I would answer yes, everyone in US army is there fro
56 BMI727: In a situation that would potentially cost American lives, I don't find that particularly relevant. Many Iraqis during the Gulf War were conscripts a
57 DeltaMD90: I'm kinda skeptical on the level of brainwashing... I mean I think they more or less believe what is put out, but I don't think it would take that lon
58 pvjin: Hmm yeah, at least obviously not all regular people are successfully brainwashed as significant amounts of them take huge risk by crossing the border
59 petertenthije: What makes you think the common man even has internet acces? First rule of the dictator is to control information. The internet can never be complete
60 DeltaMD90: I know I know, I meant it as a grassroots kind of movement by the people that actually do have internet, because as you say:
61 BMI727: I wouldn't be particularly willing to risk the lives of Americans or those of our allies waiting for North Koreans to figure things out. If they do t
62 TheCol: And to extort food and money from us. Last time I checked, the West has left North Korea alone since the Armistice was signed. The North Korean leade
63 BMI727: Actually they make their own money. It's one thing they are actually quite good at.
64 Pellegrine: Ignore the North Koreans then, and stop getting so bent out of shape about it. Honestly, if people wanted to engage in diplomacy with them, we'd all
65 PHX787: My "city" in my username may be western but I'm living in Tokyo now. People are quite concerned about N.Korea here but are quite aware of Japan's abi
66 TheCol: A country cannot survive financially on 1 trading partner, frozen assets, and multiple sanctions. The more we ignore them, the more belligerent they
67 Pellegrine: No worries brother, when I've been in Japan off and on over the past 7 years North Korea wasn't even a topic really. I'm sure Japan and the RoK would
68 GDB: For decades, TV's and Radios there are pre tuned and sealed to only receive government stations. So no leakage of signals from the South, unlike East
69 NoUFO: Somebody who is "brainwashed" but discontented at the same time is unhappy with his government in the first place. How come thousands try to flee Nor
70 falstaff: Rural peoples may be the least "brainwashed" people in the DPRK. Rural people are usually less dependant on services than urban dwellers. This fact i
71 AeroWesty: A report on the Today Show this morning showed clips from N. Korean TV. The report claimed that there's a fairly constant barrage of propoganda regard
72 NoUFO: Rural people are the last to see foreigners, too. People from Pyongyang see well-fed tourists now and then. From what I know, farmers have to do mand
73 BMI727: No you misunderstand. North Korea literally makes their own dollars and according to the Secret Service they are the best counterfeits out there. Luc
74 AeroWesty: Drop leaflets, drop crates of care packages with the message, broadcast on radio, the word gets out. This ain't rocket science. You tell starving mil
75 BMI727: Of that only the leaflets could be really successful. Radios are probably too few and not enough of them can be tuned to frequencies other than state
76 AeroWesty: It's not that hard to drown out state radio with your own message. Even if they do, the populace knows they're there. Drop 'em out in the fields, som
77 falstaff: Unfortunetly in the USA too many university students want more government control. I saw that back in the 1990s when I was in school. I could see the
78 petertenthije: Indeed, and having everyone on the same frequency/ies makes it only easier to reach everyone at the same time. If I am not mistaken the USAF already
79 AeroWesty: While some people will be hungry enough to try it, then ask why their government is lying to them. That creates doubt and encourages anarchy. It's no
80 txjim: http://www.af.mil/information/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=182 Commando Solo has been effectively used in many situations but has no self-defense capab
81 MD11Engineer: The problem is that NK´s government see themselves as the rightful government of the whole of Korea and this will definitely included in their deman
82 TheCol: I think you're forgetting who's in the wrong here. If your looking for appeasement from the international community, it clearly isn't going to happen
83 AeroWesty: We're talking about if it comes to war, not as a prelude to war. There haven't been any credible reports of N. Korean fake dollars being produced sin