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Racial Abuse Hurled At Asian Tourist In Sydney Bus  
User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3009 posts, RR: 52
Posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3676 times:
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-0.../racist-rant-on-sydney-bus/4604374

Why can't we just be friends?

(Unfortunately Korea, where my family is from, is not immune to the disease of racism. However, things are changing for the better as the country opens up more.)


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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6186 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3660 times:
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I have no idea how the whole racial situation is in Australia, although I have heard a few things. However, this incident, as related by the newspiece, seems your typical psycho (real psycho I don´t mean that as derogatory) mouthing off to whomever his enemies of the day were.

I don´t think this event in particular can be taken as a symptom of things in Australia. Or can it? That´s for our Australian friends to share with us I suppose.



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2437 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

Not really that surprising. Australia has a recent history abuse and violence from white Australians towards Southern and Eastern Asians. Despicable none the less.


oh boy!!!
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3575 times:

Sad and disgusting to see. Luckily he wasn't physical. You have idiots in every country and luckily this is not a representative of Aulstralians as a whole.


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User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3568 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 2):
Not really that surprising. Australia has a recent history abuse and violence from white Australians towards Southern and Eastern Asians. Despicable none the less.

Sources? This guy is a psycho and probably shouted at others for different reasons the day before and the day after.

"Recent history of abuse"? No, a recent history of conflict between a subset of moneyed Indian students who didn't know how to behave and certain Australian red necks who didn't know how to behave, beaten up in the Indian press as hyper racism and reaching your ears. Ask established Indian immigrants in Australia and you'll find they did not at all agree with this supposed 'anti-Indian' sentiment of Australia.

BTW, I could have taken similar footage of myself being verbally abused on the metro at similar volume by drunken youths from "les banlieux'" in Paris for speaking French with an English accent. The abuse went on for 10mns. It has, however, never happened before or since.



[Edited 2013-04-02 01:28:13]


When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2437 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3551 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 4):
Sources? This guy is a psycho and probably shouted at others for different reasons the day before and the day after.

"Recent history of abuse"? No, a recent history of conflict between a subset of moneyed Indian students who didn't know how to behave and certain Australian red necks who didn't know how to behave, beaten up in the Indian press as hyper racism and reaching your ears. Ask established Indian immigrants in Australia and you'll find they did not at all agree with this supposed 'anti-Indian' sentiment of Australia.

BTW, I could have taken similar footage of myself being verbally abused on the metro at similar volume by drunken youths from "les banlieux'" in Paris for speaking French with an English accent. The abuse went on for 10mns. It has, however, never happened before or since.

Looks like I hit too close to home. Where is the 'side-eye' smiley... If I were on the bus...



oh boy!!!
User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3534 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 5):
Looks like I hit too close to home. Where is the 'side-eye' smiley... If I were on the bus...

Calling a nation racially abusive usually hits close to home.  

If you were on the bus.... What would you have done or my metro for that matter?



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2437 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3524 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 6):
Calling a nation racially abusive usually hits close to home.  

If you were on the bus.... What would you have done or my metro for that matter?

Unfortunately, this is the type of thing that has taken place in a litany of circumstances. I did not call the whole nation abusive, and I do not believe them as such. I would visit OZ myself. In this situation...the police definitely would have been called darling. Or at least a vivid exchange would have taken place.

But, I tend to be the type of person who stands up for myself and others like me.

I still stand by my first post.



oh boy!!!
User currently offlinemelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1603 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 1):
I have no idea how the whole racial situation is in Australia, although I have heard a few things. However, this incident, as related by the newspiece, seems your typical psycho (real psycho I don´t mean that as derogatory) mouthing off to whomever his enemies of the day were.

Given the location (Sydney CBD) & mode of transport (Bus), I'd say this guy is either a nutcase, drug-addled, or both......



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User currently offlineQFFlyer From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 7):
I did not call the whole nation abusive

Yes you did, pretty clear really

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 2):
Australia has a recent history abuse and violence from white Australians towards Southern and Eastern Asians.


User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2437 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

Quoting QFFlyer (Reply 9):
Yes you did, pretty clear really

Ok really, what else is there to say? Maybe you should look at your own country if you think that.



oh boy!!!
User currently offlinejoffie From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 806 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

Bogans exist everywhere

User currently offlineQFFlyer From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3467 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 10):
Ok really, what else is there to say? Maybe you should look at your own country if you think that

Look, I just pointed out that you did in fact you did call the whole of Australia abusive......in spite of your protestations...

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 2):
Australia has a recent history abuse and violence from white Australians towards Southern and Eastern Asians

Please tell us what experience are you coming from, or are you just talking about media coverage you have read?

Explain to me why, from one article, you can call Australia abusive, this is one person being an idiot......I could find plenty of articles in US media of people doing stupid/dumb/racist things - should I then call all Amercians stupid/dumb/racist?

BTW I am not Australian it is not "my" country just so we are very clear here, I just live here and find most people not "abusive", in fact quite the opposite, just the same as I found when I lived in the US. I suggest you come and live here before you make these uninformed comments


User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2437 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

Quoting QFFlyer (Reply 12):

Look, I just pointed out that you did in fact you did call the whole of Australia abusive......in spite of your protestations...

The country of Australia does have a recent history of this.

Quoting QFFlyer (Reply 12):

Explain to me why, from one article, you can call Australia abusive, this is one person being an idiot......I could find plenty of articles in US media of people doing stupid/dumb/racist things - should I then call all Amercians stupid/dumb/racist?

One article I do not think so. I criticize my country, the USA, more than any.

Let us see...because I do not make uninformed comments, no matter how unbeknownst they may be to anyone...


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ov/23/australia-safe-debate-racism
http://etn.sagepub.com/content/7/4/564.abstract
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...s-teo/story-fn7x8me2-1226247766763
http://travel.cnn.com/sydney/life/racism-sux-581537
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/societ...ralians-racist-20120512-1yjcp.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...is_australia_unusually_racist.html
http://www.thenational.ae/news/racism-in-australia-cannot-be-ignored
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Australia

On and on and on. Of course racism isn't exclusive to Australia or white Australians. One link?



oh boy!!!
User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1248 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

I don't think Australians are any more racist than people from any other western countries, every country has idiots like this.

I wish more productive Asians came to Finland instead of all the illiterate refugees we receive from Somalia and other such countries.



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User currently offlinekiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

Horrible behavior that paints a bad picture. Oddly, not the first filmed incident of racial abuse on public transport in the last few months in Australia

Having lived in Australia for years, my observations are that the society is split. The isn't general racism right across society. But there is a big portion that is quite racist. And it's very ingrained and therefore hereditary.

But the part of society in Australia that isnt racist compensate well for this group. Itwould be hard to find a warmer, more inclusive group anywhere in the world. Australia is a place where differences are celebrated, and the notion of homogenizing the culture is not part of the vision.

I think Australia needs to be a bit more honest with itself. Whenever issues of racism come up, politicians, police, society try their hardest to blame some other phenomenon, (Cronulla riots are a good example of this). As a mature country, they should be prepared to face up to a few warts honestly. Doesn't mean that they are not a great country, with great people.


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3324 times:

Quoting QFFlyer (Reply 12):
Please tell us what experience are you coming from, or are you just talking about media coverage you have read?

Explain to me why, from one article, you can call Australia abusive, this is one person being an idiot......I could find plenty of articles in US media of people doing stupid/dumb/racist things - should I then call all Amercians stupid/dumb/racist?

BTW I am not Australian it is not "my" country just so we are very clear here, I just live here and find most people not "abusive", in fact quite the opposite, just the same as I found when I lived in the US. I suggest you come and live here before you make these uninformed comments

Well, I have lived in Australia, so I'm coming from experience when I say that Pellegrine isn't totally off base. I've only lived in two countries, Canada and Australia, and I can't say with certainty that Australia is more racist, but they're certainly more open about it. I find in North America people try to keep their racist tendencies, whereas many Australians just let it all out. I found it especially shocking how openly racist people were towards the Aboriginals.

But that is here nor there. Australia's racism has nothing to do with this story. This story is of a man who is clearly disturbed and happened to lash out at these unlucky Koreans (if they are in fact Korean). As has been mentioned, you're going to find these mentally ill people in the CBD of any city.

I'm just curious why the driver didn't intervene when this all started going down. Surely he/she must have heard the commotion?



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User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3191 times:

There are racists in all countries I have ever visited, including Australia. My wife, who is of Asian origin, has been racially abused by white Australian yobbos, but also by elderly Asians who criticised her for dating a guy of Anglo-Saxon origin. Most of the abusers seem to be drunk and that's what really pisses me off. We are far too tolerant of offensively drunk d'heads in Australia. The drinking culture here is disgusting. Just ask the NSW Police Commissioner.

When you encounter drunken, iced, mentally disturbed or otherwise violent or offensive passengers on Sydney transport the usual response is to pull your head in and try to avoid escalating the conflict, especially when they have "mates". I get the impression that any criticism of them is enough to invite a violent response, which may occur at a time after the initial event.

What I would like to see is bus drivers and train guards immediately call for police assistance when they observe this behaviour and have the offenders apprehended.



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User currently offlinekiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

The target of this mans abuse has now spoken to the media:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...st-time-bus-race-abuse-victim-says

Again, just use my sweeping generalisation brrom, I find that it is exactly these type of people that hassle visitors about "not speaking English", that you find in Bali, getting pissed, not speaking Indonesian, and being totally disrespectful of Indonesian culture and values. And the sad thing is, they are too stupid to understand the irony of how they act. Ethno-centricism at it's worst.


User currently offlinegocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4339 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

From someone that was born and grew up in Korea and has family in Seoul, this makes me sick. If it was me, I would've punched that Aussie in the face, but kudos to the man for keeping his cool. I can imagine how he and his wife had to feel after this idiotic, pathetic, @#$face Australian while on their visit to an AMAZING country.

Quoting allrite (Reply 17):
What I would like to see is bus drivers and train guards immediately call for police assistance when they observe this behaviour and have the offenders apprehended.


As do I, but what is sad with most countries is that the majority of the people will absolutely do nothing if that happens. Stuff like this happens everyday in the US and people just watch and mind their own business.

I would LOVE to be the bus driver in that video. A loud GET THE HELL OFF MY BUS to the Aussie and shuts door. Pardon my french.


User currently offlineQFFlyer From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 13):
The country of Australia does have a recent history of this

So you are calling all of Australias racist??

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 2):
Australia has a recent history abuse and violence from white Australians towards Southern and Eastern Asians.

Seeing you have an issue understanding my argument, I will put in simple terms.
I disagree with tarring all Australians with the [racist] brush. By making your comment, you are in fact calling my partner who is a white Australian a racist - how dare you

I don't disagree there are pockets of racism, but to call all white Australians racist is pathetic especailly coming from someone who hasn't even been here.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 10):
Ok really, what else is there to say? Maybe you should look at your own country if you think that.

From the country that gave us the KKK   ....based on your argument, should I call all white Americans racist?

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 13):
Let us see...because I do not make uninformed comments, no matter how unbeknownst they may be to anyone...


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ov/23/australia-safe-debate-racism
http://etn.sagepub.com/content/7/4/564.abstract
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...s-teo/story-fn7x8me2-1226247766763
http://travel.cnn.com/sydney/life/racism-sux-581537
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/societ...ralians-racist-20120512-1yjcp.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...is_australia_unusually_racist.html
http://www.thenational.ae/news/racism-in-australia-cannot-be-ignored
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_...ralia

So yes you agree, you are basing your agrument on media coverage, how can this be an informed an unbiased viewpoint?
If I was going to base all my views on the media reports, can you imagine how "gun toting America" looks?

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 13):
One article I do not think so. I criticize my country, the USA, more than any

Your silence on this thread
Racist Assault By Sean Penn's Son (by Superfly Apr 3 2013 in Non Aviation)
speaks volumes


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

Quoting QFFlyer (Reply 20):
Your silence on this thread
Racist Assault By Sean Penn's Son (by Superfly Apr 3 2013 in Non Aviation)
speaks volumes

That thread was only started only a couple hours ago. I doubt Pellegrine is on A-net 24/7.  



Flying refined.
User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2075 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2937 times:

Quoting QFFlyer (Reply 20):
Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 13):
The country of Australia does have a recent history of this

So you are calling all of Australians racist??

Because that is exactly what he said.  



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User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

Quoting gocaps16 (Reply 19):
I would LOVE to be the bus driver in that video. A loud GET THE HELL OFF MY BUS to the Aussie and shuts door. Pardon my french.

Sadly I've heard more than a few bus drivers express racist sentiments themselves. And there's been a fair bit of media about bus drivers themselves getting physically assaulted - sometimes because they kicked someone off the bus earlier. Oh well, you could always catch a taxi and listen to a Sikh (in Canberra) claim that all Victorian police are racist or maybe learn to drive yourself - with a Jewish driving instructor who says that all Arabs and Germans should die.

Oh, and if anyone is feeling racist today, try to think of a counter example of whatever behaviour is making you upset from that particular ethnic group. I always can.



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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

Methinks some dost protest too much. Pellegrine has not stated that all white Australians are racist but that Australia does have a history of racism and abuse. It is undeniable that Australia does have people who are racist as individuals. It is also undeniable that in the past there was institutionalised racism, both in the treatment of aboriginal Australians and in the treatment of non-white migration. The "White Australia Policy" was a fact of history. Anti-Chinese riots on the gold fields in Victoria and anti-Italian and Dalmation riots on the goldfields in Kalgoorlie have been adequately described by historians and in contemporary reports. OK, the riots in Kalgoorlie were in 1934 but the language test applied to would be migrants from the sub-continent continued into the 1970s. Not everyone was welcoming of refugees following the fall of Saigon.

More recent, while a large part of the debate against refugees is framed in terms of queue-jumping, there is no doubt that underlying the debate is opposition to people arriving from mainly Muslim countries. We do not hear anywhere near as much opposition or anger directed at white Europeans who come to Australia and overstay, blending in and working illegally. Why do the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition not make equally public announcement about this unlawful presence as they do about shipping "boat people" off to Nauru?

So yes, there is racism in Australia. That isn't the same as saying that all Australian's are racist or that only whites are. People from all ethnic backgrounds can be racist. There have been a number of videos posted on youtube recently showing what appear to be racially motivated incidents. The ABC reported on one of its own staff being the victim of a racist diatribe on a bus. How common these events are, I don't know as I don't travel all that often on public transport.


25 Post contains images Pellegrine : Oh... Didn't we go through this already. Nope, but if that is what you want to believe, whatever will be will be. It's not like we even know each othe
26 Post contains links kiwiinoz : This tuoches on a point I made earlier: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/cur...rvasive-racism-20130404-2h9i1.html I agree. Isolated issues like this o
27 Post contains images allrite : Every Ashes year I have issues with the bloody English immigrants who come over here, don't integrate properly and start waving their Union Jack (min
28 Post contains images CXB77L : Unfortunately, this isn't the first incident, nor will it be the last. It is also not the first incident that has been filmed. A few months ago, youn
29 Post contains links kiwiinoz : And now another one: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/it...ught-on-camera-20130412-2hp76.html Nice to see some of the other passengers steping in in
30 joffie : They should of just pushed her off the train at the next station. Too many drugged up idiots on these lines. This, however happens more than you thin
31 stealthz : I fear you are correct but not because of cricket. We are facing an extended and unusually divisive general election process where immigration is one
32 Quokkas : I share that fear. And I can not but think that our politicians, people who are meant to represent all Australians and not just a minority interest,
33 Post contains links kiwiinoz : Some of you may have seen this: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...-says-australia-comfortably-racist Kind of supports what I was saying earlier.
34 stealthz : I saw that, I am under no illusions there are racists in Australia, I know the problem is likely worse at the moment due to the devisive political en
35 Post contains images allrite : There was something on the unspeakably awful Today Tonight (which pretends to be a current affairs show and don't ask why it was on our tv) last night
36 kiwiinoz : It's funny. The only Australians that seemed to generally accept immigration with some level of grace, (initially), were the Aboriginies. And look ho
37 bogota : Difinitely your second sentence gives a lot of meaning to your first statement.
38 kiwiinoz : Oh yes! I missed this one! A clear example of how racism can become an ingrained, casual, accepted part of a national psysche.
39 Post contains links and images TheCommodore : This just out today Quokkas..... Apparently something the Libs are doing seems to be working lowest crime rates in 10 or 20 years ago. http://au.news
40 Quokkas : Yes, indeed. This incident is an example of how the leaders of major parties are prepared to play the race card in an endeavour to attract votes. The
41 Post contains links Quokkas : The woman involved in this incident has now been charged by police and is due to appear in Court. It will be interesting to hear what, if any excuses
42 b787900 : This incident isn't surprising. Having spoken with a few people who lived in Australia, most have made it pretty clear that racism there is more open
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