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North Carolina May Establish State Religion  
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20247 posts, RR: 59
Posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...ml?utm_hp_ref=religion&ir=Religion

Quote:
Republican North Carolina state legislators have proposed allowing an official state religion in a measure that would declare the state exempt from the Constitution and court rulings.

The bill, filed Monday by two GOP lawmakers from Rowan County and backed by nine other Republicans, says each state "is sovereign" and courts cannot block a state "from making laws respecting an establishment of religion." The legislation was filed in response to a lawsuit to stop county commissioners in Rowan County from opening meetings with a Christian prayer, wral.com reported.

To have a state say that they are going to ignore the Constitution and that it does not apply to them strikes me as being outright rebellion. There is ample legal precedent that the Bill of Rights does absolutely apply to the states. To say that they are going to ignore federal courts on a constitutional matter (especially one as basic as this) frankly merits a threat of military action to quell a rebellion.

Your thoughts?

50 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9202 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

My thoughts, they are nuts first, and radical.


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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8436 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3337 times:

i wouldn't send in the troops yet - this is simply a bunch of Backwater Holy Rollin Republicans wanting their 15 minutes of fame. Let them have at it - all the people in the state working hard to attract new industries & jobs will be pulling their hair out and will fairly quickly set the yo-yo's straight.

User currently offlinesprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1855 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3337 times:

Can you say bye bye federal funding, bye bye to any miltary bases.

States are not "sovereign".

Dan in Jupiter


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20247 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3332 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
i wouldn't send in the troops yet

I didn't say yet. They have to pass the bill first into law and then ignore a federal court ruling.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7689 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3319 times:

3 days late for April fools isn't it?

User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4751 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3319 times:

This won't go far.
Just ignorant politcs. The GOP is trying to stretch it's leash a bit with full control in North Carolina, and seem to be working hard to hand it all back to the Democrats.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20791 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

Eh, let 'em go. Let's see how well they do left to their own devices.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40035 posts, RR: 74
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3302 times:

I thought Tobacco was the religion of North Carolina.


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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4751 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):

I thought Tobacco was the religion of North Carolina.

Tobacco fields are quickly being replaced with Grapes and corn.
Too expensive to grow it here these days.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40035 posts, RR: 74
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 9):
Tobacco fields are quickly being replaced with Grapes and corn.
Too expensive to grow it here these days.

Good!
I hate cigarettes.

These lawmakers are off their rocker with this one.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4751 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
These lawmakers are off their rocker with this one

yes they are.
the article on wral had over 750 replies. Most articles get about 10-20.

http://www.wral.com/proposal-would-a...ligion-in-north-carolina/12296876/



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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2457 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

Which of the 73823789374 denominations of the Christan faith will be the state religion of N. Carolina?   

I hope its the Church of God with Signs Following, I hear that they are on good terms with reptiles.


David



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User currently offlineRomeoBravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
Eh, let 'em go. Let's see how well they do left to their own devices.

They'd probably do alright really when you think about it.

No military industrial complex to fund, indeed no federal taxes.

They could just set up as a tax haven like the Caymen Islands but with the added bonus of being connected to the road and rail network.


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1909 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 13):
They'd probably do alright really when you think about it.

No military industrial complex to fund, indeed no federal taxes.

They could just set up as a tax haven like the Caymen Islands but with the added bonus of being connected to the road and rail network.

And you think the US would just let them keep all the federal assets and infrastructure? That's pretty much the biggest reason Quebec's attempts at sovereignty failed.



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User currently offlineRomeoBravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 14):
And you think the US would just let them keep all the federal assets and infrastructure? That's pretty much the biggest reason Quebec's attempts at sovereignty failed.

Presumably NC have been putting into the federal pot themselves over the years.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20247 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 15):
Presumably NC have been putting into the federal pot themselves over the years.

Not as much as they have been taking out, IIRC.


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11768 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 13):
They'd probably do alright really when you think about it.

No military industrial complex to fund, indeed no federal taxes.

All the people unemployed or underemployed recieving federal food stamps and Medicade would lose those benefits. Interstate highways would go unfunded. Airports would go unfunded. Public schools, too. People don't realize how much their taxes would jump if the federal government disbanded or if people actually had to start paying.

Will NC establish a state religion? They could. No one will enforce it. If a city council wants to pray before a meeting, let them. In the parking lot.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21803 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
North Carolina May Establish State Religion

No, they may not. So says the Constitution.

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
To have a state say that they are going to ignore the Constitution and that it does not apply to them strikes me as being outright rebellion.

Which, ironically, is prohibited by the North Carolina Constitution.

-Mir



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User currently onlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3000 times:

My money is on Jedi and Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster!     


Go coogs! \n//
User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2935 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
To have a state say that they are going to ignore the Constitution and that it does not apply to them strikes me as being outright rebellion.

Don't worry. All the gunners will stand up for the Constitution in the way the state the Second Amendment is about.


User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5583 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2783 times:

1. How many of you have actually read the resolution in issue?

2. Have you the faintest clue of its legal effect, if it passed?

3. What do you think are the odds that this Resolution passes?

So much drama. So little cause.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8925 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 21):
1. How many of you have actually read the resolution in issue?

2. Have you the faintest clue of its legal effect, if it passed?

3. What do you think are the odds that this Resolution passes?

So much drama. So little cause.

   What do you expect from a HuffPost article? Here is something from an actual News org.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ina-wont-establish-state-religion/



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20247 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 22):
What do you expect from a HuffPost article? Here is something from an actual News org.

There was nothing inaccurate in the HuffPo article.

The article you posted is from yesterday; mine was from the day before. Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed and this resolution/law will not come to a vote.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8925 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 23):
There was nothing inaccurate in the HuffPo article.

It's all about spin. From the HuffPo, it sounds like they actually want to establish a state religion.



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
25 Post contains links casinterest : SPIN? So that is how you regard Dead on analysis? Here is the resolution . http://www.ncleg.net/Applications/Bi...sionCode=2013&DocNum=2501&S
26 DocLightning : They did and still do. There is no spin. It got axed by the head of the NC GOP who knew that this was a truly bone-headed idea.
27 Ken777 : Looks like the GOP there has given up on on this stupidity - probably to make room for vaginal probe discussions.
28 casinterest : There is lots of nutso stuff going on in the last few months. However there are a few things the GOP throng is going forward with that I actually agr
29 Braniff747SP : My thoughts? Only in America.
30 ALTF4 : Yeah you did. You say that them simply saying they will ignore federal courts merits a threat of military action. A bit harsh, in my opinion. At leas
31 DocLightning : I did not. I said that they "may" as in that the proposal had been brought by several members of that state's GOP. I stated only fact. If a state sai
32 BlueLight : What's amusing is that Democratic trial lawyers all over the country are celebrating all of these new "conservative" Republican laws that have been pa
33 fridgmus : I lived in NC from 1984 to 1998. It's the buckle of the bible belt. Lots of holy rollers. Bangin' on your door at 0600 to invite you to church etc. Yo
34 Post contains links DocLightning : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...nity-state-religion_n_3022255.html Alarmingly, 32% of Americans want to declare Christianity as the official re
35 Post contains images Quokkas : It would depend on the particular brand: the "judge not lest ye so be judged' and "don't pray in public as the hypocrites do" kind or the eternal hel
36 Post contains links mariner : That's a wonderful description. The article says they may have abandoned their plans for establishing a state religion, but have moved on to the "Hea
37 Post contains images luckyone : This from people whose previous bill was less government interference in people's lives??? Oh the irony.
38 DocLightning : You know darned well what brand the sort who want to establish a state religion are. You begin to see why there is no civility in American politics.
39 Post contains images ALTF4 : Well, that's a helpful attitude.
40 DocLightning : It's an accurate one. Have you seen the stuff coming out of the GOP lately? It's not rational. I say that objectively, not as a judgement. Math that
41 ALTF4 : I personally think there is blame on both sides of the aisle. Different sorts of blame, but blame none-the-less. I do have specific examples, but for
42 DeltaMD90 : I think I see what both yall are saying.the crap coming from both sides of the aisle is pretty sad but I'm going to have to agree with Doc and point
43 AviRaider : It's just political blustering to show other GOP delegates what the tones and ideologies of the party should be, in their opinion. Unless they are fla
44 DocLightning : Exactly. The DNC may be full of poop, but it's the same poop they've always been full of. The GOP, on the other hand, ever since Mr. Obama got electe
45 garnetpalmetto : Respectfully, as you've not lived here in 15 years, I'd say things have changed. It's not quite "the buckle" anymore, but let's say a notch where the
46 NASCARAirforce : Huff Post is basically the Left's version of the Right's Fox News - both try to shock and awe with misleading headlines all the time and give you hal
47 DocLightning : Again, given the days that those articles were written, please cite what specific sentences or paragraphs in that article were anything less than pur
48 Post contains links luckyone : True, but let's be real. It has happened a lot from both sides of the aisle. Remember this gem?? http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/hr4210
49 CalebWilliams : HuffPo is actually the "left's" version of the Daily Caller website. HuffPo::Dailer Caller as Fox News::CNN
50 DocLightning : That's absurd, yes, but it's not establishing a state religion and defying the Constitution.
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