WestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1971 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6404 times:
The President gives up $20,000 in salary and you're insulted? Sorry, but I think you just want to be insulted because you don't like the guy. Believe it or not, heads-of-state have the right to be paid as well, and I think "President of the United States of America" is a little more stressful than your average CEO. I'm not an Obama supporter, but even I see a lot of goodwill behind this gesture.
If my Prime Minister willingly cut his pay by any amount I would have absolutely no problem with it, let alone get insulted.
flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7606 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6340 times:
Just some political move. I'm not insulted but I am far far from impressed. He is president of the United States. In three years he will make tens of millions of dollars a year on book deals, interviews, and speaking arrangements. He can probably spare so more money but I get his point. Honestly I think it would have been just better if he didnt say a word about his pay.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
Aeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6254 times:
oh wow, another Obama thread.
Although winning a decisive victory for a 2nd term. Airliners.net dudes!, Your supposed to lick your wounds to allow healing, but I guess it's gonna be a long time before you can get your tongue off your arm..
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 8): Heck, he's never had a real job in his life and is a millionaire already, just imagine after (if) he leaves office, with all the cult of personality brainwipes out there.
Not sure what your definition of a 'real job' is, but I think you should go read his career biography but first of all, me thinks you should take a higher road and go and help deal with your country's 16% unemployment rate lol. What are YOU doing about that?
Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 7): Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 6):He spends that much just flying to single golf outing.
Either way, the American tax payers are funding it.....
It would be so much better for him to be flying off somewhere every two weeks to clear brush?
I also find it hilarious that people are saying he is not creating enough jobs. Excuse me, but, those tax breaks he hates but signed off on anyway were supposed to create jobs. Where are those jobs? Let's try it his way for a while. We all had to suffer through what Bush wanted because he threw a tantrum when he didn't get what he wanted. Obama tries to be a diplomat. You can't be a diplomat in a room full of egotists.
Pyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4570 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6217 times:
Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 9): me thinks you should take a higher road and go and help deal with your country's 16% unemployment rate lol. What are YOU doing about that?
"Never ask what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for yourself" - not JFK.
Simple, if people want to wallow in socialism and live with a gigantic state let them, but don't expect me to pay for it, I will take my skills and hard work to where they might be appreciated and properly rewarded, not frowned upon.
Sorry, forgot: lol
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StarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3755 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6151 times:
Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 1): Believe it or not, heads-of-state have the right to be paid as well, and I think "President of the United States of America" is a little more stressful than your average CEO.
Especially when some CEO's can leave with an 8 figure golden parachute for f*cking up royally.
Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 6): Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 1):
The President gives up $20,000 in salary and you're insulted?
He spends that much just flying to single golf outing.
Where were you when his predecessors were doing the exact same thing. A lot of business deals get done on the golf course so why not very important political decisions.
The resaon that this is done is that there are two ways to know the character of the one you are signing a deal with: Get them drunk or take them golfing. I am sure Clinton/Gingrich and Reagan/O'neill did the same thing.
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 13): Simple, if people want to wallow in socialism and live with a gigantic state let them, but don't expect me to pay for it, I will take my skills and hard work to where they might be appreciated and properly rewarded, not frowned upon.
Fantastic! When is your flight? Do you need a ride to the airport?
Pyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4570 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6094 times:
Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 14): A lot of business deals get done on the golf course so why not very important political decisions.
Simple - if a company decides to spend money on T&E, they do so using money that shareholders decided to entrust them with, more likely money their clients voluntarily paid them for. If government decides to spend money on T&E, they do so with money that was forcibly taken from people who had no choice in the matter. That is why T&E policies in the "public" sector cannot and are not the same as in the private sector.
Quoting cws818 (Reply 15):
Fantastic! When is your flight? Do you need a ride to the airport?
You've missed that boat several years ago...
Quoting seb146 (Reply 16): Senator in Illinois, Senator in Washington, DC, president, editor of Harvard Law Review. Nope. Never worked a day in his life
Being a politician is not a job, it is (or should be) a service you do after you have had a successful career at something, not something you do professionally. And exactly how much of his net worth came from being a co-editor on a school newspaper during grad school?
The reality is that he never worked a single day in his life in the private sector: never had to provide a good or service people were willing to pay for more than what it cost to make or provide, never had to manage to a budget, never had to worry about responding to someone or generating a bottom-line. So no, he has never had a real job a day in his life and that is what causes his warped view of the private sector as merely something he can exploit to implement his policies.
Read this very carefully, I shall write this only once!
cmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6038 times:
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 18): Being a politician is not a job, it is (or should be) a service you do after you have had a successful career at something, not something you do professionally.
This pretty much summarizes the problem with your argument. Politics is far too important to be handled by people with little interest for what happens as total. It affects individuals and the country too much to be handled by people who do it for single cause or time filler to make retirement more interesting.
Starbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 601 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6003 times:
Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 1): The President gives up $20,000 in salary and you're insulted?
Sure, he is taking a 5% hit while every other federal employee going on furlough is taking a 20% hit. That's really fair isn't it? He is just so full of himself while he still goes on his golf trips and his family has been of vacation since this all started.
pvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 2839 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5998 times:
Quoting Starbuk7 (Reply 25): Sure, he is taking a 5% hit while every other federal employee going on furlough is taking a 20% hit. That's really fair isn't it? He is just so full of himself while he still goes on his golf trips and his family has been of vacation since this all started.
Hah you think that kinda behavior is something unusual for high ranking politicians? No, it's a norm.
Around here our prime minister earns more than David Cameron, our capitals mayor and vice-mayor and mayor tried to give each other a huge salary raise during these harsh economic times (thankfully that one was blocked)...
The list of these things is endless. If you seriously think that some other president would have cut his salary any more than Obama is doing you are wrong.
"Optimism is the madness of insisting that all is well when we are miserable." - Voltaire
: I'll admit, I had hope for Obama, now it's cope. I strongly disliked Bush, and I find that all Obama has done is taken Bush policies and ramped them u
: Really the ultimate fix for a lot of the things would be cutting 30 to 50% from US military, it's after all huge money eater and people there mostly d
: The US needs to make a huge amounts of cuts and military is certainly an area with scope for that. 2% of GDP seems a good figure - not 4%! However, cu
: Meh, I'll give the benefit of the doubt, but personally, I think it could've been a bit better. What I really want to see is Congress get cut pretty h
: The New Zealand PM John Key donates his pay to charity. He's paid 411,000 NZD, which is approx 350,000 USD.
: Having read through all of the replies and considered all of the opinions, I'm left with the impression that no matter what Obama did in this situatio
: Let's face it - he didn't stand a chance of being right whatever he chose to do, did he? He could work for free and you'd probably still be 'insulted
: Well, it was good practice since most of his money came from the books he authored. Why does being in the private sector matter? Are people in the pu
: RB can't let Reaganomics go, I would ignore it. It just devalues those that do work hard aren't in the upper echelon.
: Just one thought/ question How did the other 525 idiots in Congress give up of their salary? And the Cabinet Secretaries? Every single one of them is
: Tricky one though isn't it. One could argue with a lot of these radical left wingers or right wingers that they are representing their electorate. Ma
: At the end of the day all politics is local and the reason that the same people in congress get elected is that they do good for their districts and
: Pyrex, you just pissed of ALOT of career soldiers, sailors, aimen, etc...public service....I know MANY of the aforementioned that joined up just out o
: Until we get the income gap between high and low full time income to a reasonable proportion, prob around 30 times, this point is void. Completely di
: Also pretty void so long as we have people around who can't afford bread.
: No. Now let's say you put it at a more realistic high figure say 70%. The people who own all the factories might carry on because after all what do t
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: Even when they perform poorly at their job? Are you sure you don't want to be a nightclub comic? Because you're a really, REALLY funny guy!
: Did you have a problem with GWB' salary?
: Regardless of what one thinks about the guy, he is the president of the United States. He should be paid a decent salary and $20,000 doesn't even regi
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: No, but then again in my opinion he didn't perform poorly. And spare me a response; it'll just give me a headache and be of no use.
: I can't see how one can defend GWB personally. He got us involved in some terrible middle east entanglements and created one of the biggest economic
: Yes. The good thing about heads-of-state is that if you don't like the job they're doing, you get to vote them out (or in this case, he has to leave
: Except it has worked every time it was done. Don't let facts get in the way of your argument. W had the feds send out checks to every person in the c
: Its easy - you just ask him who is deserving.
: Marginally higher taxes don't discourage people from working. The people who create the really valuable stuff in the world don't do it because they w
: And what about Kennedy/Reagan/Thatcher who cut taxes substantially on the rich? There are far too many variables at play to draw such a conclusion fr
: They did not. Mind you, I don't recall the rich 100 years ago having iPads and widescreen TVs either. Very unlikely. Starting up a business overseas
: Well, perhaps. But why is it that income inequality has grown over the past few decades? Because we're eating more burgers?
: I have paid 80% marginal tax and it didn't influence me or any of the people I worked with who were in the same situation. We were all driven by seei
: The gap increases because skill required to design a structure increases while the skill to flip a burger does not. So the guy charged with running a
: The gap didn't increase for 30 years though. The gap hasn't increased in the same way (or at all) in other countries. If the march of technology were
: We're skipping a part though, and it's a pretty damn important one. Education, which is where Google and to a lesser extent Facebook got their starts
: Perhaps we're a victim of our own success - too many skilled people and an insufficient number of positions to support them. Maybe the problem is the
: 5 % is quite a lot, and as a whole is more than the budget was cut by the sequester. Would I like to see more ? Sure. I saw my paycheck get hacked by
: Then why do so many people offshore? Why do people go to such lengths to reduce their tax burden? Men have a little threat of leaving due to pregnanc
: Where did I say that? Tens of millions, certainly not. That you have to use such extreme examples shows how extreme your opinion is. Care to explain
: You know, a lot of you are saying that POTUS isn't a real job. He currently gets $400,000/year (I believe) plus an expense account as POTUS. His worki
: I agree with the sentiment of your post but you have some factual errors. The typical CEO doesn't get home not to think about work either. It is ther
: So it's not really about who makes what for you, it's about envy. You know, envy is a terrible thing. It's destroying this country.
: Giving up 5% isnt whats insulting, its that his inability to do his job and balance our country's budget requiring other government agencies to take
: What I was getting at is that if you own a business, be it a store or a Fortune 500 company, you can go home at 5:00 or whenever, and unless there's
: Honestly, what the hell are you talking about? I'm not attempting to justify anything. I'm just stating a reason why women often get paid less. What
: CEOs are always thinking about their business and thanks to this new fangled thing called a smart phone, they have an eternal tether. So don't kid yo
: I'll be more impressed if him & Michelle didn't take anymore vacations until Labor Day weekend. The 5% pay cut is all for show. Every single dolla
: ..while you're spending your time posting anonymous, uninformed comments on some pointless online forum. I can see where your anger is coming from
: It is free. Their employers are free to pay them highly, and you are free to not pay them at all.
: What's the problem with that anyway? It doesn't matter what he has or hasn't done before, his job is to do his best to make United States a better co
: More civilized as in losing monetary sovereignty, having higher tax rates, and drowning in debt? Nothing says civilization like freezing people's ban
: Heh drowning debt, that's not any different from the US, although you have somehow managed to waste all that huge amount of money even without all th
: That's more of an Eastern European thing. And to some extent Italy and Spain. Extremely rare in the UK and North/West Europe. The Russian World Cup w
: Except all the civilized Europeans decided to give away their monetary sovereignty so they can't really do anything about it. And add in the massivel
: To me it is about fair compensation. About not underpaying most workers based on them having no real options and giving it to a few who scratch each
: That's exactly what the free market is. Something is worth what you can get someone else to pay, but you don't need to find many people willing to pa
: But the poor are getting richer in absolutely terms, and that is all that matters, anything else is just jealousy. If they want to get even richer th
: The situation in Cyprus and other countries with economical crisis has been caused by corruption and incompetence in their governments, not by social
: There's no such thing as injustice when it comes to compensation in a free market. You earn what you're worth and you get paid what you're worth. It'
: Maybe in some fantasy, in reality not. There are huge amount of incompetent people working in leadership of many private companies, earning way more
: The difference between theory and reality. This isn't the free market your theories are based on. Nor will there ever be a free market. You live in u
: How would I have an envy problem. I'm not the one complaining about what someone else is making or perpetuating the myth of "economic injustice". Tha
: I already have. Since then you have continually tried to change the argument. Just because i won't work for free does not mean i don't like my job. I
: The social programs are a big part of it and a big part of why these situations are so difficult for countries to fix. No, the best system is as clos
: Which works out well, since those are the sort of companies that we really want to retain - companies that not only employ their own people, but who,
: That's fine by me as long as the educated workers doing the innovating don't have their success attenuated by having to drag along everyone else as w
: I have not seen where yo have provided anything but your own statement but great, then you can just tell me the number of the post. You did also post
: During that time there were actual abuses. If you got the flu and couldn't work for a day, you got fired. I'm not saying that regulations and work ru
: Yet you constantly insist we accept your valuation. Apart from that it is. Sadly your theories are. Once you get to see the real world you will learn
: 50 Well, i don't mind it, i wouldn't do it for free. Hmm... First of all this isn't about anyone else, this is about me. Secondly, and i've already c
: Not at all. Depending on who it is and what they do I might find a given price to be outrageous as well. There are not as many advocating an "everybo
: The only welfare that could conceivably create higher societal productivity would be a basic level of state-funded education for children. Beyond that
: Nothing but your statements there. Show the data. OK, I worded it poorly, grant you that. Though the meaning was clear. It is about creating things t
: The legal system has nothing to do with welfare, and you don't need "welfare" to provide the others. LOL indeed. This is nothing to do with those peo
: You never said they couldn't be, although you did say that nobody should make $10 million per year. People can become rich, as long as they give you
: If only. Poor welfare system push problems to the legal system. Because money grows on trees... Reality is that we need active governments to have a
: No, in fact quite the opposite is the case, government causes many problems by trying to play an active role in the economy, including the current pr
: I'm not walking around with blinds like you. Still waiting for you to provide support for your statement. Post 50 certainly didn't contain anything.
: Not to you anyway, which makes it quite convenient that nobody is forcing you to pay someone $10 million to do a job you don't believe deserves it. E
: You must have lost it. When has a minimum wage job been filled with a livable salary, much less 10 MUSD??? Taking your description of the American Co
: Some households make far too much to receive any kind if assistance. But, they still don't make enough to survive. All because the right-wing decided
: CMF, conservatives will never admit that anyone on welfare should actually be so. I would just ignore it.
: You get the freedom to not pay anyone $10 million per year because you don't believe there is any job that is worth it. Fine, that's your choice and