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Uruguay President Calls Kirchner "Wench"  
User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6190 posts, RR: 31
Posted (1 year 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 2805 times:
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In hilarious news that today are making the rounds in Latin America, Uruguay´s Presidente José Mujica called her Argentine equivalent "wench" and her predecessor, Néstor the "one eyed". This happened during a public appearance when Mujica was having a private conversation with a staff member and didn´t realize the mics were open.

"Esta vieja es peor que el tuerto"

trans:

"This wench is worst than the one-eyed"

http://www.clarin.com/politica/Mujic...ristina-exabrupto_0_895710629.html

and musical to go with it:

http://www.losandes.com.ar/notas/201...-esta-vieja-peor-tuerto-706427.asp

I´m sure the old man is mortified and embarassed but I for the life of me I can´t understand why this keeps happening. Don´t politicians realize that in public appearances this is a high risk?

I also think that regardless of his opinion of Argentina´s President, he should apologize. It might have been a faux pas, but he represents an entire country and this stuff can be damaging for the bilateral relationship.

I do find it extremely funny, and no, I´m not being superficial about it.

[Edited 2013-04-05 12:49:30]


MGGS
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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17450 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Everybody is thinking it! Kudos for saying it. If it walks and talks like a duck...


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19617 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

"vieja" = "wench" in Argentina?

How does one say "old" in the feminine sense, then?


User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 2593 times:

Pish Posh... Argentians are so sensitive. They can't handle the truth. The other night, during a soccer match between an argentinian team versus a brazilian team, ended in a meele with the argentinian players fighting with the soccer arena cops, after loosing the match 5 x 2.

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14011 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
"vieja" = "wench" in Argentina?

How does one say "old" in the feminine sense, then?

For me "Vieja" in this context rather translates as "old hag". Not very flattering.

Jan


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

Quoting AR385 (Thread starter):
In hilarious news that today are making the rounds in Latin America, Uruguay´s Presidente José Mujica called her Argentine equivalent "wench" and her predecessor, Néstor the "one eyed"

I laughed for about ten minutes when I saw that video for the first time.

Quoting AR385 (Thread starter):
I also think that regardless of his opinion of Argentina´s President, he should apologize. It might have been a faux pas, but he represents an entire country and this stuff can be damaging for the bilateral relationship.

I respect your opinion, but strongly disagree ( I bet you are very surprised     ). His words were not the better maybe, but are a fair description of the reality. This old woman ( CFK is not young, that 's a fact ) is far from being a good politician, and is worst than the "one eyed" in that field. She doesn't have a clue about negotiations. Everything is her way or no way. And please excuse me, but re "bilateral relationship", Argentina is by far the worst performer in the region. They are systematically doing and saying things that cause damage one way or the other ( commercially, diplomatically, etc ) in basically all the neighbours, including Brazil. I don't even know where to start. If we limit the things to Uruguay, you have from the bridges being blocked with the support of the Kirchners, to, most recently, a bunch of measures to hurt the traditional tourism of thousands of Argentinians in Uruguay... She already did all the damage she could to the bilateral relation with Uruguay, this funny episode of the open mic is just the nail in the coffin.

Rgds.
G.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19617 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 4):
For me "Vieja" in this context rather translates as "old hag". Not very flattering.

For me, too. Not flattering, but not "wench," either.


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6190 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 2530 times:
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A link in english has appeared:

http://elpais.com/elpais/2013/04/05/inenglish/1365183766_440528.html

Maybe "wench" is not the right word. These things are tough to translate though as "old lady" does not represent the entire context of how he was describing Kirchner. It´s more slang than literal. I suppose "old hag" is more accurate, true.

[Edited 2013-04-05 17:37:02]


MGGS
User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7702 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 2516 times:
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Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 4):

For me "Vieja" in this context rather translates as "old hag". Not very flattering.

Even better. Splendid work.



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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 2495 times:

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 3):
Argentians are so sensitive

Read the comments on this thread, read the comments in other threads.

We may be sensitive, but there is a worldwide seething hatred of Argentina and argentines, for whatever reason. And I'm sorry, but nothing justifies it, because there are plenty of other countries with governments just as unpalatable, and whose people are considered "arrogant".

There is something going on, and it is affecting me. I'm am disliking foreigners more and more because they just simply treat us like garbage.

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 5):
They are systematically doing and saying things that cause damage one way or the other

The only behavior you and the other Latin Americans, and the Spanish, British, Italian, Germans, and Americans, Chinese, etc will accept as "friendly' by Argentina is outright capitulation and some sort of partition of the country between Chile, Brazil, Uruguay, and Paraguay.

[Edited 2013-04-05 20:14:51]


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7702 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months ago) and read 2469 times:
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Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
but there is a worldwide seething hatred of Argentina and argentines, for whatever reason

Dude, I'm sorry - I have agreed with your assessment of many more militant posts in some threads, but that comment really does reek of paranoia I'm afraid.

And for the record, just in case you wished to lump my support of this Uruguayan comment as proof of your paranoid position - I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if you wanted to insult David Cameron. Please, fire away. Be my guest.

Seriously though, there is only one solitary thing I have an issue with Argentina over - the Falklands. That is it. Nothing else. Were it not for that, there would be absolutely no animosity of any description on my part, and I'm sure it's the same for many others out there.



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2170 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months ago) and read 2467 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
We may be sensitive, but there is a worldwide seething hatred of Argentina and argentines, for whatever reason. And I'm sorry, but nothing justifies it, because there are plenty of other countries with governments just as unpalatable, and whose people are considered "arrogant".

That is the thing though...there isn't a worldwide hatred of Argentina or Argentines at all. Most people are completely indifferent towards Argentina as a country and think Argentinians are very attractive. Its the sensitivity issue though; criticism towards Argentina gets blown out of proportion in the country which just ends doing harm in the long run. Which is a shame because Argentina has so much potential that they are constantly wasting while other former South American basket cases have been working on turning themselves around.

[Edited 2013-04-05 21:29:45]

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25179 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2420 times:
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Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
We may be sensitive, but there is a worldwide seething hatred of Argentina and argentines, for whatever reason

Huh? I don't feel any hatred to Argentina or Argentinians - I don't feel much at all, really. I've never been there, I know very little about the place.

I think the dispute over the Falkland Islands is blown out of all proportion, but that happens in other places. I think it;s stupid that Japan and Russia can't sort out their differences over the Kuril Islands (who'd want 'em?) but it doesn't affect my attitude to Japan or Russia.

I remember that "Don't Cry For Me, Argentina" was a spectacularly successful song from a spectacularly successful musical - written by a Brit - but that may be as much as most people know about Argentina.

So if there is a general attitude it may be indifference, but I live in a tiny country at the arse end of the world and I am used to being ignored. I just get on with my own life - who gives a stuff what anyone else thinks of us?

mariner

[Edited 2013-04-06 01:56:21]


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User currently offlinetu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1219 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

Don't know about "wench", but I'd say she is the most attractive head of state around. Especially if you consider her age. Hope my wife will look the same in her years...


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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2363 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 12):
Huh? I don't feel any hatred to Argentina or Argentinians

Neither. I've visited Argentina on a number of different trips In fact I have been there more times than I have visited my nearest neighbor Australia, or the USA or UK. It's a brilliant country that happens to be led by someone not so great.

Yes I think Kirschner is damaging the country each and every time I go back, and in February I was held up at gunpoint in Buenos Aires (first time ever...)They didn't get anything because I attacked one of them back and held him hostage between me and the armed assailant until he ran off.. - It is because more and more people are desperate because of this woman and her government's agenda. It won't stop me returning, but it puts many less experienced travelers off, and that kind of rep will unfortunately start to affect everyone because it tarnishes Argentina.

Anyways, this comment by Mujica is funny, because it has a degree of truth. She's a one-woman tornado blowing through Argentina leaving a trail of debris everywhere she goes. I hope she is moved on soon.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7702 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2313 times:
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Quoting mariner (Reply 12):
I think it;s stupid that Japan and Russia can't sort out their differences over the Kuril Islands (who'd want 'em?) but it doesn't affect my attitude to Japan or Russia.

The major difference is the relatively recent war over the Falklands, though. The Kuril dispute has just been an argument in modern times, rather than anything more serious.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6618 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2308 times:

Not to defend her as I don't know her and Argentina doesn't ever make the news here (well, except when the Pope comes from there, and during the Dakar rally), as for Uruguay most French people would probably place it in Africa, but the guy insulting her should probably look in a mirror ! He's far older and not exactly good looking.


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User currently offlinevictrola From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 513 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
The only behavior you and the other Latin Americans, and the Spanish, British, Italian, Germans, and Americans, Chinese, etc will accept as "friendly' by Argentina is outright capitulation and some sort of partition of the country between Chile, Brazil, Uruguay, and Paraguay.


God forbid that Argentina should "capitulate" to the evil foreigners and adopt economic policies that make it a prosperous and stable country like maybe Chile.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26957 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
We may be sensitive, but there is a worldwide seething hatred of Argentina and argentines,

Not at all like others the only issue I have with Argentina is over the Falklands. If it was not for that then I would have no issues at all. Well maybe a small one over football cheats    

Im sure many countries could say the same thing.

Quoting tu204 (Reply 13):
Don't know about "wench", but I'd say she is the most attractive head of state around. Especially if you consider her age. Hope my wife will look the same in her years...

Hmmmm.... Each to their own I guess.. LOL..

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/kitch_zpscaa49f31.jpg

In all seriousness these things should not happen and politicians should learn to behave. They can say what they want in private but better be careful as mics/cameras are everywhere these days. Reminds me of when that idiot Gordon Brown didn't have his mic off and called a voter a bigot.


User currently offlineRomeoBravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
We may be sensitive, but there is a worldwide seething hatred of Argentina and argentines

There really isn't. Most of us just think your president is a childish idiot and that it reflects badly on your country. Obviously from a British perspective all the Falkland nonsense reflects very badly too, but that's really just a result of propaganda.

I have nothing personally wrong Argentines and I'm sure it's a very nice country which i will hopefully one day visit.

Quoting tu204 (Reply 13):
Don't know about "wench", but I'd say she is the most attractive head of state around. Especially if you consider her age. Hope my wife will look the same in her years...

Ahem.



Ok, i'm biased.   

But Kirchner's a dog. Let's go for the Danish PM (technically not head of state i guess but still)...

http://windycitizensports.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/hellethorning-schmidt.jpg


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17450 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 19):
There really isn't. Most of us just think your president is a childish idiot and that it reflects badly on your country.

  

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
but there is a worldwide seething hatred of Argentina and argentines

Nobody hates Argentines, at least not in North America. You could be Mexican and blamed for every ill in the US, or Salvadoran and everyone looks down on you for some reason. Or Haitian and blamed for all of your country's problems... Argentina and Argentines are rightly or wrongly right up there on the top of the social pyramid.

Quoting victrola (Reply 17):
God forbid that Argentina should "capitulate" to the evil foreigners and adopt economic policies that make it a prosperous and stable country like maybe Chile.

Or follow its own rules, or treat others as it wants to be treated...



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19617 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
We may be sensitive, but there is a worldwide seething hatred of Argentina and argentines, for whatever reason. And I'm sorry, but nothing justifies it, because there are plenty of other countries with governments just as unpalatable, and whose people are considered "arrogant".

No, the world does not hate Argentines. We think your government is foolish and needs serious reform. I am surprised you disagree.

Argentina itself is an amazing country and I had not one single negative experience with anyone while I was there.

Ahora, el "español" que habláis es otra cosa.  

("Now, the 'Spanish' you guys speak is another thing.   )


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2143 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
We may be sensitive, but there is a worldwide seething hatred of Argentina and argentines, for whatever reason.

You are confusing criticism about the policies and attitude taken by the Arg. Gov. with hate to the whole nation. I repeated this hundreds of times. I have friends and relatives in Argentina, Argentinian nationals. I pray since the day of the tragedy for the people affected by the recent floods in La Plata and Bs.As. I visited and traveled Argentina numerous times and the vast majority, probably 99 % of the people was friendly, funny, a real pleasure. And no matter how many times I repeat this, there are some fellow members here like you, screaming out loud that I'm an "Argentinian basher, hater", and bla bla bla....My sin ? Being critical of how some things work in Argentina, i.e. AR, or the Arg. Gov. playing dirty against 4M. I just don't get it. I read almost daily very aggressive comments in the papers against Jumbo ( a Chilean Supermarket with presence in Argentina ), and I can not draw a line from *Jumbo Sucks* to *Argentinians hate Chileans*. The other frequent reaction here is "you have envy of us". Well, let me tell you, I live in a beautiful house, I have a good car, a good wife, I´m healthy, I´m in peace with God, In one word, I´m a HAPPY person, and to be honest envy is not in my book. The Mercedes SUV of my neighbour maybe cost ten times the value of my car. So what ?? I know I'm HAPPY. I don´t need more.
So please Derico, leave the "everyone hate us" karma behind. Just accept that the actions and decisions taken by the Arg. Gov. are open to discussion, criticism and just plain dislike in some people looking the things from outside. The words from J. Mujica are proof of that.

Rgds.
G.

[Edited 2013-04-06 17:50:15]


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User currently offlinePITingres From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1141 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1982 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
We may be sensitive, but there is a worldwide seething hatred of Argentina and argentines, for whatever reason.

I used to see sentiments along these lines from local "underground" rags, back when I traveled the Caribbean on business. (Although it was usually "the US hates us", not the whole world.) I always wanted to shake the authors and say, "dude, listen to me: not only does the US not hate you, 99.9% of americans don't even know you exist!".

And I honestly think it's the same thing here. For your random foreigner who a) has even heard of Argentina and b) knows anything of its history, at worst there might be some caution, along the lines of "wasn't that where people disappeared, years ago? They fixed that, right?" I suspect that any true hatred would have to come from an Argentine or ex-Argentine, because nobody else cares enough.

I will make a perhaps incautious leap and suggest that not even the Brits who served in the military back in the early 80's hate Argentines. I'll bet that most of them simply want Argentina to leave off with it already.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14011 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1932 times:

Quoting PITingres (Reply 23):
I will make a perhaps incautious leap and suggest that not even the Brits who served in the military back in the early 80's hate Argentines. I'll bet that most of them simply want Argentina to leave off with it already.

Actually Argentinian and British Falkland / Malvinas war veterans usually get along quite well.

Jan


25 Aesma : I seem to remember that when pretty much everybody hated W policies, the US people saw it as anti-Americanism, even those that themselves didn't like
26 Post contains images PITingres : True enough, and just as inaccurate when we do it.
27 AM744 : I don't think so. I'd rather blame it on the dumbing down of news reporting. Lots and lots of 'news' produced by our lousy media outlets love this so
28 joacocifuentes : Most of the people I know likes CFK.- I'm too young to say something haha.- Next october I have the right to vote, Ill be 16 then, who am I voting ? I
29 Post contains images Quokkas : Storm in a tea cup. No need to create a diplomatic incident out of it for the simple reason leaders are meant to represent the interests of their resp
30 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Since those qualifiers are already out there, guess this one would get many votes..... . http://www.biography.com/imported/im...iles/P/Eva-Peron-9437
31 CaptCufflinks : Rubbish. Her little stunt with the newspaper advertisement over here really got my back up, and indeed, a lot of people over here.
32 PlunaCRJ : While I don´t approve what Mujica said, I think it would be valuable to put this in context. For Uruguay, both K (Nestor´s and Cristina´s) administ
33 Derico : I really won't discuss the issue, my mind has been made up on this issue since a couple of years ago and will not change. It took quite a few years to
34 zckls04 : That is a sad state of affairs. For what its worth I have no animosity towards the Argentinian people despite my disdain for your current government.
35 Polot : The whole Falklands thing is a non issue anyways. A majority of the people outside of Argentina and Europe (or maybe just even the UK, I don't know)
36 Post contains links Gonzalo : According to a poll in Uruguay, 76 % of the people has the same opinion of President Mujica re the Kirchners. By gender, the numbers are 86 % of the m
37 757gb : In general CFK has been a pain for us, always making things difficult, hard to deal with even on trivial matters. The Finance Minister went as far as
38 Post contains links Derico : http://canchallena.lanacion.com.ar/1...el-1-a-1-entre-huachipato-y-gremio Are those players and coaches Argentinean, Varig and Gonzalo? This is why I
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