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Uruguay President Calls Kirchner "Wench"  
User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6351 posts, RR: 31
Posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2836 times:
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In hilarious news that today are making the rounds in Latin America, Uruguay´s Presidente José Mujica called her Argentine equivalent "wench" and her predecessor, Néstor the "one eyed". This happened during a public appearance when Mujica was having a private conversation with a staff member and didn´t realize the mics were open.

"Esta vieja es peor que el tuerto"

trans:

"This wench is worst than the one-eyed"

http://www.clarin.com/politica/Mujic...ristina-exabrupto_0_895710629.html

and musical to go with it:

http://www.losandes.com.ar/notas/201...-esta-vieja-peor-tuerto-706427.asp

I´m sure the old man is mortified and embarassed but I for the life of me I can´t understand why this keeps happening. Don´t politicians realize that in public appearances this is a high risk?

I also think that regardless of his opinion of Argentina´s President, he should apologize. It might have been a faux pas, but he represents an entire country and this stuff can be damaging for the bilateral relationship.

I do find it extremely funny, and no, I´m not being superficial about it.

[Edited 2013-04-05 12:49:30]

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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17657 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2782 times:

Everybody is thinking it! Kudos for saying it. If it walks and talks like a duck...


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19927 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

"vieja" = "wench" in Argentina?

How does one say "old" in the feminine sense, then?


User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Pish Posh... Argentians are so sensitive. They can't handle the truth. The other night, during a soccer match between an argentinian team versus a brazilian team, ended in a meele with the argentinian players fighting with the soccer arena cops, after loosing the match 5 x 2.

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 2003, 14062 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2617 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
"vieja" = "wench" in Argentina?

How does one say "old" in the feminine sense, then?

For me "Vieja" in this context rather translates as "old hag". Not very flattering.

Jan


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1992 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

Quoting AR385 (Thread starter):
In hilarious news that today are making the rounds in Latin America, Uruguay´s Presidente José Mujica called her Argentine equivalent "wench" and her predecessor, Néstor the "one eyed"

I laughed for about ten minutes when I saw that video for the first time.

Quoting AR385 (Thread starter):
I also think that regardless of his opinion of Argentina´s President, he should apologize. It might have been a faux pas, but he represents an entire country and this stuff can be damaging for the bilateral relationship.

I respect your opinion, but strongly disagree ( I bet you are very surprised     ). His words were not the better maybe, but are a fair description of the reality. This old woman ( CFK is not young, that 's a fact ) is far from being a good politician, and is worst than the "one eyed" in that field. She doesn't have a clue about negotiations. Everything is her way or no way. And please excuse me, but re "bilateral relationship", Argentina is by far the worst performer in the region. They are systematically doing and saying things that cause damage one way or the other ( commercially, diplomatically, etc ) in basically all the neighbours, including Brazil. I don't even know where to start. If we limit the things to Uruguay, you have from the bridges being blocked with the support of the Kirchners, to, most recently, a bunch of measures to hurt the traditional tourism of thousands of Argentinians in Uruguay... She already did all the damage she could to the bilateral relation with Uruguay, this funny episode of the open mic is just the nail in the coffin.

Rgds.
G.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19927 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 4):
For me "Vieja" in this context rather translates as "old hag". Not very flattering.

For me, too. Not flattering, but not "wench," either.


User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6351 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2561 times:
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A link in english has appeared:

http://elpais.com/elpais/2013/04/05/inenglish/1365183766_440528.html

Maybe "wench" is not the right word. These things are tough to translate though as "old lady" does not represent the entire context of how he was describing Kirchner. It´s more slang than literal. I suppose "old hag" is more accurate, true.

[Edited 2013-04-05 17:37:02]

User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7710 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 4):

For me "Vieja" in this context rather translates as "old hag". Not very flattering.

Even better. Splendid work.



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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4312 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2526 times:

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 3):
Argentians are so sensitive

Read the comments on this thread, read the comments in other threads.

We may be sensitive, but there is a worldwide seething hatred of Argentina and argentines, for whatever reason. And I'm sorry, but nothing justifies it, because there are plenty of other countries with governments just as unpalatable, and whose people are considered "arrogant".

There is something going on, and it is affecting me. I'm am disliking foreigners more and more because they just simply treat us like garbage.

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 5):
They are systematically doing and saying things that cause damage one way or the other

The only behavior you and the other Latin Americans, and the Spanish, British, Italian, Germans, and Americans, Chinese, etc will accept as "friendly' by Argentina is outright capitulation and some sort of partition of the country between Chile, Brazil, Uruguay, and Paraguay.

[Edited 2013-04-05 20:14:51]


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7710 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
but there is a worldwide seething hatred of Argentina and argentines, for whatever reason

Dude, I'm sorry - I have agreed with your assessment of many more militant posts in some threads, but that comment really does reek of paranoia I'm afraid.

And for the record, just in case you wished to lump my support of this Uruguayan comment as proof of your paranoid position - I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if you wanted to insult David Cameron. Please, fire away. Be my guest.

Seriously though, there is only one solitary thing I have an issue with Argentina over - the Falklands. That is it. Nothing else. Were it not for that, there would be absolutely no animosity of any description on my part, and I'm sure it's the same for many others out there.



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2498 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
We may be sensitive, but there is a worldwide seething hatred of Argentina and argentines, for whatever reason. And I'm sorry, but nothing justifies it, because there are plenty of other countries with governments just as unpalatable, and whose people are considered "arrogant".

That is the thing though...there isn't a worldwide hatred of Argentina or Argentines at all. Most people are completely indifferent towards Argentina as a country and think Argentinians are very attractive. Its the sensitivity issue though; criticism towards Argentina gets blown out of proportion in the country which just ends doing harm in the long run. Which is a shame because Argentina has so much potential that they are constantly wasting while other former South American basket cases have been working on turning themselves around.

[Edited 2013-04-05 21:29:45]

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25409 posts, RR: 86
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2451 times:
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Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
We may be sensitive, but there is a worldwide seething hatred of Argentina and argentines, for whatever reason

Huh? I don't feel any hatred to Argentina or Argentinians - I don't feel much at all, really. I've never been there, I know very little about the place.

I think the dispute over the Falkland Islands is blown out of all proportion, but that happens in other places. I think it;s stupid that Japan and Russia can't sort out their differences over the Kuril Islands (who'd want 'em?) but it doesn't affect my attitude to Japan or Russia.

I remember that "Don't Cry For Me, Argentina" was a spectacularly successful song from a spectacularly successful musical - written by a Brit - but that may be as much as most people know about Argentina.

So if there is a general attitude it may be indifference, but I live in a tiny country at the arse end of the world and I am used to being ignored. I just get on with my own life - who gives a stuff what anyone else thinks of us?

mariner

[Edited 2013-04-06 01:56:21]


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User currently offlinetu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

Don't know about "wench", but I'd say she is the most attractive head of state around. Especially if you consider her age. Hope my wife will look the same in her years...


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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7261 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2394 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 12):
Huh? I don't feel any hatred to Argentina or Argentinians

Neither. I've visited Argentina on a number of different trips In fact I have been there more times than I have visited my nearest neighbor Australia, or the USA or UK. It's a brilliant country that happens to be led by someone not so great.

Yes I think Kirschner is damaging the country each and every time I go back, and in February I was held up at gunpoint in Buenos Aires (first time ever...)They didn't get anything because I attacked one of them back and held him hostage between me and the armed assailant until he ran off.. - It is because more and more people are desperate because of this woman and her government's agenda. It won't stop me returning, but it puts many less experienced travelers off, and that kind of rep will unfortunately start to affect everyone because it tarnishes Argentina.

Anyways, this comment by Mujica is funny, because it has a degree of truth. She's a one-woman tornado blowing through Argentina leaving a trail of debris everywhere she goes. I hope she is moved on soon.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7710 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 12):
I think it;s stupid that Japan and Russia can't sort out their differences over the Kuril Islands (who'd want 'em?) but it doesn't affect my attitude to Japan or Russia.

The major difference is the relatively recent war over the Falklands, though. The Kuril dispute has just been an argument in modern times, rather than anything more serious.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6723 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Not to defend her as I don't know her and Argentina doesn't ever make the news here (well, except when the Pope comes from there, and during the Dakar rally), as for Uruguay most French people would probably place it in Africa, but the guy insulting her should probably look in a mirror ! He's far older and not exactly good looking.


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User currently offlinevictrola From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 518 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
The only behavior you and the other Latin Americans, and the Spanish, British, Italian, Germans, and Americans, Chinese, etc will accept as "friendly' by Argentina is outright capitulation and some sort of partition of the country between Chile, Brazil, Uruguay, and Paraguay.


God forbid that Argentina should "capitulate" to the evil foreigners and adopt economic policies that make it a prosperous and stable country like maybe Chile.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27106 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
We may be sensitive, but there is a worldwide seething hatred of Argentina and argentines,

Not at all like others the only issue I have with Argentina is over the Falklands. If it was not for that then I would have no issues at all. Well maybe a small one over football cheats    

Im sure many countries could say the same thing.

Quoting tu204 (Reply 13):
Don't know about "wench", but I'd say she is the most attractive head of state around. Especially if you consider her age. Hope my wife will look the same in her years...

Hmmmm.... Each to their own I guess.. LOL..

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/kitch_zpscaa49f31.jpg

In all seriousness these things should not happen and politicians should learn to behave. They can say what they want in private but better be careful as mics/cameras are everywhere these days. Reminds me of when that idiot Gordon Brown didn't have his mic off and called a voter a bigot.


User currently offlineRomeoBravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
We may be sensitive, but there is a worldwide seething hatred of Argentina and argentines

There really isn't. Most of us just think your president is a childish idiot and that it reflects badly on your country. Obviously from a British perspective all the Falkland nonsense reflects very badly too, but that's really just a result of propaganda.

I have nothing personally wrong Argentines and I'm sure it's a very nice country which i will hopefully one day visit.

Quoting tu204 (Reply 13):
Don't know about "wench", but I'd say she is the most attractive head of state around. Especially if you consider her age. Hope my wife will look the same in her years...

Ahem.



Ok, i'm biased.   

But Kirchner's a dog. Let's go for the Danish PM (technically not head of state i guess but still)...

http://windycitizensports.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/hellethorning-schmidt.jpg


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17657 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 19):
There really isn't. Most of us just think your president is a childish idiot and that it reflects badly on your country.

  

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
but there is a worldwide seething hatred of Argentina and argentines

Nobody hates Argentines, at least not in North America. You could be Mexican and blamed for every ill in the US, or Salvadoran and everyone looks down on you for some reason. Or Haitian and blamed for all of your country's problems... Argentina and Argentines are rightly or wrongly right up there on the top of the social pyramid.

Quoting victrola (Reply 17):
God forbid that Argentina should "capitulate" to the evil foreigners and adopt economic policies that make it a prosperous and stable country like maybe Chile.

Or follow its own rules, or treat others as it wants to be treated...



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19927 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2251 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
We may be sensitive, but there is a worldwide seething hatred of Argentina and argentines, for whatever reason. And I'm sorry, but nothing justifies it, because there are plenty of other countries with governments just as unpalatable, and whose people are considered "arrogant".

No, the world does not hate Argentines. We think your government is foolish and needs serious reform. I am surprised you disagree.

Argentina itself is an amazing country and I had not one single negative experience with anyone while I was there.

Ahora, el "español" que habláis es otra cosa.  

("Now, the 'Spanish' you guys speak is another thing.   )


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1992 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
We may be sensitive, but there is a worldwide seething hatred of Argentina and argentines, for whatever reason.

You are confusing criticism about the policies and attitude taken by the Arg. Gov. with hate to the whole nation. I repeated this hundreds of times. I have friends and relatives in Argentina, Argentinian nationals. I pray since the day of the tragedy for the people affected by the recent floods in La Plata and Bs.As. I visited and traveled Argentina numerous times and the vast majority, probably 99 % of the people was friendly, funny, a real pleasure. And no matter how many times I repeat this, there are some fellow members here like you, screaming out loud that I'm an "Argentinian basher, hater", and bla bla bla....My sin ? Being critical of how some things work in Argentina, i.e. AR, or the Arg. Gov. playing dirty against 4M. I just don't get it. I read almost daily very aggressive comments in the papers against Jumbo ( a Chilean Supermarket with presence in Argentina ), and I can not draw a line from *Jumbo Sucks* to *Argentinians hate Chileans*. The other frequent reaction here is "you have envy of us". Well, let me tell you, I live in a beautiful house, I have a good car, a good wife, I´m healthy, I´m in peace with God, In one word, I´m a HAPPY person, and to be honest envy is not in my book. The Mercedes SUV of my neighbour maybe cost ten times the value of my car. So what ?? I know I'm HAPPY. I don´t need more.
So please Derico, leave the "everyone hate us" karma behind. Just accept that the actions and decisions taken by the Arg. Gov. are open to discussion, criticism and just plain dislike in some people looking the things from outside. The words from J. Mujica are proof of that.

Rgds.
G.

[Edited 2013-04-06 17:50:15]


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User currently offlinePITingres From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1149 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
We may be sensitive, but there is a worldwide seething hatred of Argentina and argentines, for whatever reason.

I used to see sentiments along these lines from local "underground" rags, back when I traveled the Caribbean on business. (Although it was usually "the US hates us", not the whole world.) I always wanted to shake the authors and say, "dude, listen to me: not only does the US not hate you, 99.9% of americans don't even know you exist!".

And I honestly think it's the same thing here. For your random foreigner who a) has even heard of Argentina and b) knows anything of its history, at worst there might be some caution, along the lines of "wasn't that where people disappeared, years ago? They fixed that, right?" I suspect that any true hatred would have to come from an Argentine or ex-Argentine, because nobody else cares enough.

I will make a perhaps incautious leap and suggest that not even the Brits who served in the military back in the early 80's hate Argentines. I'll bet that most of them simply want Argentina to leave off with it already.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 2003, 14062 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

Quoting PITingres (Reply 23):
I will make a perhaps incautious leap and suggest that not even the Brits who served in the military back in the early 80's hate Argentines. I'll bet that most of them simply want Argentina to leave off with it already.

Actually Argentinian and British Falkland / Malvinas war veterans usually get along quite well.

Jan


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6723 posts, RR: 12
Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

I seem to remember that when pretty much everybody hated W policies, the US people saw it as anti-Americanism, even those that themselves didn't like their president, so it's a pretty usual response.


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User currently offlinePITingres From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1149 posts, RR: 13
Reply 26, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 25):
I seem to remember that when pretty much everybody hated W policies, the US people saw it as anti-Americanism, even those that themselves didn't like their president, so it's a pretty usual response.

True enough, and just as inaccurate when we do it.  



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User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1779 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
We may be sensitive, but there is a worldwide seething hatred of Argentina and argentines, for whatever reason.

I don't think so. I'd rather blame it on the dumbing down of news reporting. Lots and lots of 'news' produced by our lousy media outlets love this sort of stories. Simple, funny and with no bearing to reality.


User currently offlinejoacocifuentes From Argentina, joined Sep 2012, 122 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1836 times:

Most of the people I know likes CFK.- I'm too young to say something haha.- Next october I have the right to vote, Ill be 16 then, who am I voting ? Idk? Talking about hateness, I don't see it that way.- MAYBE! ONLY MAYBE, some people (like British for example) hates argentinians because when someone like M.T dies, they start parting and attitudes like that.- I don't really see the point of hateness because I don't feel it.-

User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 29, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

Storm in a tea cup.

No need to create a diplomatic incident out of it for the simple reason leaders are meant to represent the interests of their respective countries. They don't actually have to like each other.

Now all, Kirschner needs do is inadvertently, not realising the microphone is on, let slip that the gentleman in question is a "caballo castrado" and they will be quits. Given his former role as Minister for Livestock it might be apt.   His lack of children might make the comment too personal though.

It's not as if he is exactly young and good-looking himself and whatever questionable policies Kirschner may have, Mujica was previously regarded as a terrorist or guerrilla, depending on which side your bread is buttered.

Mind you, the Doc might approve of his move to legalize state-controlled sales of marijuana in order to fight drug-related crimes.


User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4877 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

Quoting tu204 (Reply 13):
but I'd say she is the most attractive head of state
Quoting OA260 (Reply 18):
Hmmmm.... Each to their own I guess.. LOL..
Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 19):
(technically not head of state i guess but still)
Quoting Quokkas (Reply 29):
and whatever questionable policies

Since those qualifiers are already out there, guess this one would get many votes.....

.
http://www.biography.com/imported/im...iles/P/Eva-Peron-9437976-1-402.jpg

.....without leaving the country...and despite the criticisms.  



[Edited 2013-04-09 10:51:53]


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User currently offlineCaptCufflinks From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
I'm sorry, but nothing justifies it,

Rubbish.

Her little stunt with the newspaper advertisement over here really got my back up, and indeed, a lot of people over here.


User currently offlinePlunaCRJ From Uruguay, joined Nov 2007, 574 posts, RR: 2
Reply 32, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1739 times:

While I don´t approve what Mujica said, I think it would be valuable to put this in context.

For Uruguay, both K (Nestor´s and Cristina´s) administrations were difficult to deal with. Lets remember that Nestor Kirchner not only allowed the blockage of the bridges connecting Uruguay and Argentina for several years, but in a kind of way he sort of encouraged it. Then, when Cristina succeeded Néstor, in her inauguration, she publicly "admonished" the then president of Uruguay (and Mujica´s predecessor) Tabaré Vázquez (which by the way, I saw today walking on the street on his way to the hospital where he works- he is an oncologist)

Mujica pursued a policy of approach to the K´s, looking to better the relationship between the two countries´ governments. However, Cristina has since made trading with Argentina extremely difficult (Argentina, as well as Brazil, are Uruguay´s traditional trading partners) due to her protectionist policies, has dragged on and delayed the process of the deepening of the Uruguay river (which directly affects several ports on the Uruguayan side), has seriously affected Argentinian tourism to Uruguay through a series of travel disincentivizing rules, etc...

I can understand Mujica is not pleased with the Ks.



Quoting AR385 (Thread starter):
he represents an entire country and this stuff can be damaging for the bilateral relationship.

Yes, that´s true... but the bilateral relationship was pretty bad already. I don´t know if it can get any worse.

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):

Derico, this isn´t really about Argentina. In fact, culturally there is probably no other country more similar to Argentina than Uruguay, and viceversa. This is about the Ks.

---------------------------

Again, I don´t approve what Mujica said, but I can understand where it is coming from.


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4312 posts, RR: 11
Reply 33, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1699 times:

I really won't discuss the issue, my mind has been made up on this issue since a couple of years ago and will not change. It took quite a few years to perceive what lurks below the surface of so many people, but I was naive and young and optimistic that people were generally good and decent.

I just gave my opinion and I don't have to defend it or justify it precisely because it is my opinion.

I never said people didn't have the right to utter whatever opinions they so wish. Interesting that whenever I criticized other countries I was immediately told to shut the heck up because and I paraphrase quote "given your nationality, you should not criticize others". This will be my last comment.



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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1415 posts, RR: 4
Reply 34, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 33):
I really won't discuss the issue, my mind has been made up on this issue since a couple of years ago and will not change. It took quite a few years to perceive what lurks below the surface of so many people, but I was naive and young and optimistic that people were generally good and decent.

I just gave my opinion and I don't have to defend it or justify it precisely because it is my opinion.

That is a sad state of affairs. For what its worth I have no animosity towards the Argentinian people despite my disdain for your current government. I have not been fortunate enough to visit you but Argentina is high on my travel wish list (actually #1). I have no doubt that I will experience the same warm welcome others speak of.

Some who get over-zealous about the Falklands may appear to be overly prejudiced against anything Argentinian- please don't confuse them with those of us who are capable of distinguishing between the actions of a government and the views of its populace (just as we do with our own countries).



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 34):
Some who get over-zealous about the Falklands may appear to be overly prejudiced against anything Argentinian- please don't confuse them with those of us who are capable of distinguishing between the actions of a government and the views of its populace (just as we do with our own countries).

The whole Falklands thing is a non issue anyways. A majority of the people outside of Argentina and Europe (or maybe just even the UK, I don't know) could honestly not care any less about the Falkland islands and who owns them. Most people probably have no clue on where the Falkland islands even are and that there is still an ongoing dispute over them anyways.


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1992 posts, RR: 2
Reply 36, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

According to a poll in Uruguay, 76 % of the people has the same opinion of President Mujica re the Kirchners. By gender, the numbers are 86 % of the male and 68 % of the female.


http://www.emol.com/noticias/interna...-de-mujica-sobre-los-kirchner.HTML

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User currently offline757gb From Uruguay, joined Feb 2009, 676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 37, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1551 times:

In general CFK has been a pain for us, always making things difficult, hard to deal with even on trivial matters. The Finance Minister went as far as saying to business people here "forget about exporting to Argentina". That's a pretty big statement for a government that has always preached "more and better Mercosur", rejecting any possibility of a free trade agreement with the US no less...

Having said that, I honestly believe that the president knew exactly what he was doing. Smoke screens to take people's attention away from the fiscal deficit (which was immediately displaced from the headlines when this came out). By now it's an old tactic by Mujica, bringing up polemic topics like legalization of marijuana or just making comments in a way sure to stir the pot to draw attention away from whatever government failings are making headlines.

Initially I suspected that it was intentional, then later more news came out about previous comments by Mujica calling Nestor "el tuerto". That was done during an interview for a magazine and he knew he was being recorded. It probably didn't create the attention he wanted so he went for more.

Quoting AM744 (Reply 27):
I'd rather blame it on the dumbing down of news reporting.

That is a big factor, they are playing the media like a piano... they go for the easy news story and ignore the important stuff.

When reading comments from CFK, Maduro from Venezuela and Mujica from Uruguay, somebody asked "why are they treating us (the people) as if we were stupid?"

Actually my answer is: why not? by now we have demonstrated abundantly that we are indeed stupid and can be manipulated so easily.

Just my two cents...



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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4312 posts, RR: 11
Reply 38, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 3):
Pish Posh... Argentians are so sensitive. They can't handle the truth. The other night, during a soccer match between an argentinian team versus a brazilian team, ended in a meele with the argentinian players fighting with the soccer arena cops, after loosing the match 5 x 2.
http://canchallena.lanacion.com.ar/1...el-1-a-1-entre-huachipato-y-gremio

Are those players and coaches Argentinean, Varig and Gonzalo?

This is why I am so "sensitive", because other Latin Americans, Europeans, and North Americans judge Argentina as if they were innocent, morally pure little angels.



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