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Former U.K. Premier Margaret Thatcher Dies  
User currently offlineandrej From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 1213 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7276 times:

According to Bloomberg News.

-> apparently she had a stroke this morning.

Was 87 years old. End of an era.

[Edited 2013-04-08 04:59:20]

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 30070 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7269 times:

Yes link here :

Baroness Thatcher has died at the age of 87 after suffering a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell has announced.


RIP. Whether you loved her or hated her she was a strong politician.

User currently offlineidealstandard From France, joined Apr 2009, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7250 times:

I hated her politics but she was an amazing woman, RIP.

User currently offlineRomeoBravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7224 times:

R.I.P. Mags  

By far the best post war PM the UK has had. My god how we could do with someone like her again right now.

Haters gonna hate.

User currently offlineoffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 1198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7213 times:

For me, the greatest PM since Churchill, and certainly had more balls than any of them since Churchill.

[Edited 2013-04-08 06:33:10 by ManuCH]

To no one will we sell, or deny, or delay, right or justice - Magna Carta, 1215
User currently offlineMCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7174 times:

Quoting offloaded (Reply 5):
For me, the greatest PM since Churchill, and certainly had more balls than any of them since Churchill.

I don't agree with most of what she did, but she certainly had a bigger pair off balls than any PM before or since (Churchill notwithstanding).

Political leaders the world over could learn a lesson or two from her legacy, thats for sure.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 30070 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7163 times:

Quoting offloaded (Reply 5):
For me, the greatest PM since Churchill, and certainly had more balls than any of them since Churchill.

Yes have to agree . She certainly had balls something alot of politicians lack these days. Her defining moment was the Falkland Islands and for that she will always have my respect.

Of course here in Ireland there will be little love lost for her but they have their own issues as she was not giving into Irish terrorists ( as she saw them ) over the time she was in power.

Everyone will have their own views on her period in office and of course that sad departure but I hope she gets the respect she deserves from those of us who recognised her achievements.

User currently onlineseansasLCY From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7160 times:

I had the pleasure of meeting Margaret Thatcher a couple of years ago. The nicest politician I've met. She wasn't interested in talking to the other politicians but rather the young people in the room.

Tonight I'll be having a drink in her memory.

User currently offlinebaguy From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7135 times:

Quoting offloaded (Reply 4):
For me, the greatest PM since Churchill, and certainly had more balls than any of them since Churchill.

   I totally agree - but whatever one's beliefs are, she had more backbone than anyone since, and was a fantastic orator - to have the courage of one's convictions in the manner that she did was truly remarkable. Rest in peace Maggie - truly an Iron Lady

User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7136 times:

Rust in peace,

Iron Lady.

Wer nichts weiss muss alles glauben
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40298 posts, RR: 73
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7121 times:

She was a great leader and she will be missed.

R.I.P. Margaret Thatcher.

Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineRomeoBravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7106 times:

Best Maggie moment for me.

Beats the poor guy up with his own argument.

User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 10134 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7088 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 8):
Irish terrorists ( as she saw them )

What else could you call them?

R.I.P to a very tough no nonsense politician, the likes of which we could do with today, rather than the PC twats that appear to be our lot now-a-days.

User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2507 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7085 times:

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 11):
Rust in peace,

Iron Lady.

*shakes fist* I just wanted to post that.  

Have you heard that even though she's only been in hell for one hour, she's already shut down three furnances?

Samson was a biblical tough guy, but his dad Samsonite was even more of a hard case.
User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 2836 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7050 times:

Rest in peace, I disagree with most of her policies but at least she had strong willpower and truly did her best to do things like she believed, something that politicians lack nowadays.

"Optimism is the madness of insisting that all is well when we are miserable." - Voltaire
User currently offlinederekf From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 920 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6946 times:

Yes she was strong-willed but that's why so many disastrous policies were implemented unchallenged. I'm sorry she died but I'm sorry also for the legacy she left behind. 20 years after she left power, it looks like Britain will never recover from her policies.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 30070 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6928 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 12):
What else could you call them?

Well I guess one persons freedom fighter is another persons terrorist and where I live she would not have been their favourite person to put it mildly. Still like any resonsable person I would hope that most educated people would not speak ill of the dead and depsite not agreeing with her policies have some respect.

User currently offlineRomeoBravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6867 times:

Quoting derekf (Reply 15):
20 years after she left power, it looks like Britain will never recover from her policies.

Nothing to do with Thatcher. Labour systematically destroyed the UK's economy single handedly. The UK was in very good shape when she and Major left office.

User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6841 times:

There is no doubting her achievements as a person and as Prime Minister. I recall her remark in opposing feminists, saying that she didn't get to where she was by quotas. Yet, oddly, when I met her in High Wycombe in Buckinghamshire during a by-election following the sad passing of the Sir John Hall, MP, she appeared smaller than I had expected. Oh, the personality and vigour was there and shone through, but for some reason I had expected her to be somehow bigger.

As others have remarked, she had much courage and determination that seems lacking in many politicians. Resolute was the word that became her motto, yet ultimately it was that resoluteness, or a seeming unwillingness to listen to her own party, that brought her down.

It is sometimes said that you can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep. Mrs T used to enjoy the odd cup of tea with a man that she went on to describe as "A champion of the free world" - Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte. If a man who bathed a country in blood, murdering or disappearing his opponents can be a champion of the free world, it tells us a lot about Thatcher's view on freedom.

It is sad that in later life she suffered dementia. The confusion, the loss of sense of time, moments of clarity punctuating a worsening grasp and understanding of what is real and current must have been very distressing to her and to her family witnessing it. Her suffering is over. My sympathy and condolences to her family.

[Edited 2013-04-08 07:30:46]

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6814 times:

No doubt Thatcher was a towering leader for the times, one can't discount her contribution to the fall of the Iron Curtain. In the final analysis she was undone by her own party, unable to convince of her view regarding what she saw as the equality of the poll tax to pay for basic services, rather than unseated by the electorate directly.

I remember flying to Europe one night while Thatcher was still in power, transiting via London the next morning while her fate was in question, then by the time I landed in continental Europe, John Major had been made PM. I wasn't used to politicians moving around that quickly.

BBC News has gone live on the web with TV coverage of the story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22066982

[Edited 2013-04-08 07:34:36]

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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7805 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6746 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 6):
as she was not giving into Irish terrorists ( as she saw them )

Mate, you know I have a lot of respect for you, but really? I think everyone who ever heard of IRA bombings, shootings, kidnappings, quite rightly saw them as terrorists. I heard an IRA bomb go off in Bishopsgate when I was a kid, and saw the buildings a couple of days later. As a kid, it scared me shitless to think that could happen at any time. Terrorists they certainly were.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 12):
R.I.P to a very tough no nonsense politician, the likes of which we could do with today, rather than the PC twats that appear to be our lot now-a-days.

That aspect of her leadership I have huge admiration for. Massive, in fact. Policies are a different matter, but the current shower, and those who came before them, are nothing in comparison to her.

Little edit: I once sang for Margeret Thatcher at a function (amongst many other famous types over a few years as a kid). Anyone else here met her?  biggrin 

[Edited 2013-04-08 08:04:50]

✈ Every strike of the hammer is a blow against the enemy. ✈
User currently onlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 1262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6693 times:

Quoting andrej (Thread starter):
End of an era.

Exactly how I'd put it, too.

RIP Baroness Thatcher

[Edited 2013-04-08 08:19:30]

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User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 762 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6642 times:

Very strong woman. It's a testament to her political influence that politicians are still, to this day, scrambling to be like Thatcher.

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 17):
Nothing to do with Thatcher. Labour systematically destroyed the UK's economy single handedly. The UK was in very good shape when she and Major left office.

Not quite true... Thatcher's policies arguably left us far too dependant on financial services, thanks to an almost complete eradication of industry in the north (for which she is still hated) and there wasn't a huge deal Labour could do about that except for create a system where those financial services would flourish. We all know how that ended up, of course, but it'd be difficult / impossible to argue that the same would not have happened had Thatcherite tories remained in power up until the recession. Honestly, all new Labour did was continue her policies.

Roger roger, what's our vector, victor?
User currently offlinebaguy From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6627 times:

I think this photo just about sums her up best:

RIP Maggie

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 24):
Honestly, all new Labour did was continue her policies.

Which says just as much about her as anything else - Roy Hattersley remarked on R4 earlier that she was important in politics because she really did transform the politics of the UK - whether or not you think that is a good thing aside, that is the real achievement.

User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6621 times:

I read in a tweet that Thatcher actually called Nelson Mandela a terrorist. Is that true ? What was the context in which she said that ?

short summary of every jewish holiday: they tried to kill us ,we won , lets eat !
25 Post contains links and images RomeoBravo : So goes the myth but i'd say a more accurate assessment would be that Labour's naive fiscal and monetary policy destroyed the UK's competitiveness an
26 GDB : I suspect like many of my generation, I have starkly mixed feelings about Thatcher. Not that her death today is a huge surprise, her decline in recent
27 OA260 : I think you mis understood. Plenty of people here in Ireland didnt like her and thats putting it midly and I grew up in London remember so know exact
28 GDB : OA260, Maggie did sign the Anglo-Irish treaty. It was a step, that would help the efforts of the next PM but one after Maggie to go rather further and
29 Post contains links OA260 : Indeed I know Irish history quite well and have been part of it myself when I voted yes in the Good Friday agreement and this has also been aknowledg
30 alberchico : https://www.facebook.com/events/351111824993138/351138611657126/?notif_t=plan_mall_activity Looks like some people are ready to party....
31 fruitbat : Thanks to you both for those interesting posts. I come from a familty of teachers and miners and Mrs Thatcher was referred to in our house as 'that w
32 OA260 : Some of the achievements of Margaret Thatcher : Reduced the highest rate of tax at the time from 83 pence to 60 pence. Later reduced to 40 pence in th
33 GDB : That was a popular policy, however for ideological reasons some of the proceeds of the sales were not, despite pleading from councils on both sides,
34 1stfl94 : RIP Maggie, condolences to the family but not to the legacy. Sadly she left behind a country more divided and a generation of politicians who wanted t
35 Post contains links fruitbat : Further achievements: When she left power the gap between rich and poor had widened; indeed after inflation is taken into account the poorest were LE
36 zckls04 : Good riddance to the old bag. Friend of Pinochet, Hussein and Suharto- judge her by the company she kept. I love seeing everybody's reaction to things
37 OA260 : My Famiy were split. My Sister was a left wing activist often going on marches arranged by Ken Livingstone and the like. My Grandmother was a true bl
38 ferengi80 : I didn't agree with most of what she did, apart from retaking the Falklands, which I think she was completely right to do. However, I do admire the fa
39 kaitak : I have to say that I never particularly liked Thatcher, although I respected her and her vigor, vision and determination; she was - like no other demo
40 RomeoBravo : I was referring to the Brown legacy, i can see the confusion however.
41 GDB : Indeed, his government was the first to really control inflation, it had lowered significantly, though still high by today's standards, ironically by
42 OA260 : That is certainly true. One thing I have to say I'm disgusted at is the Sky News report of a bunch of students celebrating with champagne in central
43 Post contains images RussianJet : Fair enough, thanks for the clarification. It's just that the obvious inference was that she might have been either wrong or in the minority in takin
44 Post contains images YVRLTN : I have to agree with you, with things like rubbish piling up in the streets and rotting and so on because of endless strikes, something had to be don
45 TheCommodore : You gonna throw in your own leaders when they pass on ! I think nearly every immediate past US president has courted these people, why is she any dif
46 ltbewr : I have no love for Ms. Thatcher's general policies, but as others here and elsewhere have noted, in effect what else could be done and who else could
47 stasisLAX : Lady Thatcher was in declining health, suffering with dementia for many years. She refused to place economic sanctions on apartheid South Africa while
48 Post contains images BMI727 : Maggie was a good politician by American standards, and excellent by European. Shame to see her gone. And thanks to the divestment of British Leyland,
49 Pyrex : I doubt she would pass through hell for more than to appreciate what socialism leads to, but if she did I am sure Satan himself would be very appreci
50 Quokkas : I recall another famous phrase: "The lady's not for turning." And yet Thatcher was capable of an about-face when it suited the occasion. She was stead
51 kiwirob : Theat's a complete load of garbage, the decline in British manufacturing started in the late 60's. By the time the 80's rolled around it was pretty m
52 Post contains images BN747 : Yep, she was getting a lot of domestic pressure to crackdown on Apartheid South Africa... but she stood fast and fought it at every turn. And did so
53 Post contains links OA260 : Even in South Africa people are split both blacks and whites. 'ON THE PASSING OF LADY MARGARET THATCHER FORMER PRIME MINISTER OF THE UNITED KINGDOM S
54 kiwirob : Looks like they are still pretty miserable if you ask me, all that's changed is the colour of the government and president.
55 Post contains links BN747 : A history lesson in store? You don't have entire townships being shot up, children killed, anyone ..and I mean anyone suspicious rounded up and detai
56 Post contains links OA260 : Indeed I have heard that from both White and Black South Africans. In South Africa's slums, mob justice rules Beaten and set alight, Ncedile Gigi's u
57 BN747 : I don't think you understand who the IFP is or was by quoting this... but here is portrait of how they were seen at the time... With anti-apartheid l
58 Post contains images OA260 : She like other people at the time believed sanctions would only hurt the poorest of the country ie: the Blacks. So she prefered a different angle lik
59 ltbewr : I think as to South Africa, there was 2 critical reason for her reluctance for not supporting the battle against apartheid - that UK business interest
60 BN747 : I know you want to have this warm and fuzzy feeling for her... but what you're saying makes no sense at all. How on earth could the blacks been hurt
61 BN747 : The 1st part of your statement is spot on and I pointed out business/money making concerns. The 2nd, by 1985 , the communism shtick, although a true
62 Dano1977 : A great prime minister, she had more balls than the current elected members of parliment. Lets gets some facts out of the way. Nelson Mandela was a te
63 Post contains links and images OA260 : Thats for sure . She has sparked so much debate over the years and even after so many years out of government and in her death she will continue to b
64 kiwirob : They were, you might consider them freedom fighters but most others considered them terrorists. Still happening today on a near enough daily basis, t
65 BN747 : Then since Thatcher, you and the Apartheid gov't called him that... he must be. As the Brits called George Washington, Payne, Hale and the gang terro
66 Post contains links OA260 : Tributes pour in from around the World : President Obama : “America has lost a true friend. “As a grocer’s daughter who rose to become Britain
67 GDB : A lot of the time yes, however that's not the whole picture. Complacent and often plain incompetent management helped none either. In the 60's and so
68 Post contains links kiwirob : Govt's all over the world including your own called him a terrorist and the organisation he co founded was also considered a terrorist organisation.
69 Post contains images BMI727 : Nationalization is not something that happens when things are going well. It's done for industries that are not mature or are basically dead.
70 zckls04 : The irony being that most of the people organizing these parties are students who weren't even born when Thatcher was booted out. I bet if you asked
71 fruitbat : [quote=kiwirob,reply=51] Quoting fruitbat (Reply 35): The decline of British manufacturing started under her watch. Theat's a complete load of garbage
72 kiwirob : I'm saying exactly what I said. The blacks have been screwed over by the very people (fellow blacks) who they expected to help them. I don't have a s
73 zckls04 : Fair enough- you must realize though that if you post a comment saying people are no better off now than under apartheid in the context of an argumen
74 GDB : They did not anticipate a decline as large and so rapid as happened, (there were external economic factors exacerbating the situation), neither did s
75 seemyseems : Section 28 springs to mind, wasn't exactly Thatcher but it enacted under her. Oh yeah and RIP Maggie
76 OA260 : Yes this was something that of course I would disagree with but plenty of other people on all sides supported it. It was very different times back th
77 AeroWesty : There are a lot of arguments to be made for that if Section 28 hadn't been enacted, there wouldn't have been reason for the organized opposition to i
78 flyingthe757 : Watched the same documentary. Really enjoyed it, a very good unbiased look at the good and bad things
79 zckls04 : Up to a point- there were also plenty who didn't, mostly on the left. I agree in principle that making judgments about people's decisions 30 years ag
80 Post contains images seemyseems : I am very aware of the social differences in the mid 1980's and before then. What does my age have to do with it? I can still comment on it, I still
81 zckls04 : There's a lot of "what if" in that statement. Thatcher's protégées in the Tory government continue to try and thwart gay rights to this day. Playin
82 OA260 : That is also a true statement. Here in Ireland Gay people have some of the most liberal lives because of all the issues they fought with the Catholic
83 AeroWesty : Well of course, you have to. Homosexuality is far more accepted in the UK now than it was when I made my first trip there in 1982. What changed betwe
84 zckls04 : Agreed, but that really doesn't have anything to do with clause 28, and it certainly can't possibly be an interpretation for Thatcher's quote above.
85 BN747 : Again since you gaffed it off the 1st time.. ...in that context so was George Washington and all the American Revolutionaries. called terrorist and w
86 Dano1977 : Shipbuilding in the UK was well on the way to decline long before Thatcher got into power. Ships were being built cheaper abroad, often with the help
87 OA260 : Im not defending her quotes I already said I didnt agree with the clause but I can see why people at the time felt that it might have been needed des
88 zckls04 : Who knows? They did all over the rest of Europe (and the US). Even section 28 hardened the resolve against discrimination, it doesn't make the legisl
89 AeroWesty : It's my belief that a lot of people forget the affect Mary Whitehouse had on the subject at the time, rather than Margaret Thatcher. If one wasn't al
90 AeroWesty : I never said it was good legislation nor did I say it had any justification. What I'm pointing out is that Section 28 didn't have the consequences in
91 zckls04 : By that standard nothing is all negative. It's the old "all wars lead to peace" argument.
92 AeroWesty : For the third(?) time ... it was the opposition to Section 28 which brought gay rights in the UK forward. Sure, if everyone had just lied down and ta
93 zckls04 : You've made that point, and I understand it (it's hardly complex). I am making the more germane point that, within the context of a discussion about
94 Post contains images OA260 : Well she was a thread all by itself She was not always the ally people thought she was of the conservative party. She often held views that conflicte
95 zckls04 : Oh I completely agree. I can absolutely see why people thought that way. Homosexuality was a mystical, nebulous thing back then. I specifically chose
96 AeroWesty : I believe that Thatcher's support of Section 28 is detrimental to her legacy, as the basis for it allowed people like Mary Whitehouse to further her
97 Post contains links AeroWesty : In very much the same way that those who have a seething hatred for Ronald Reagan forget that he was a vocal opponent of The Briggs Initiative. Histo
98 zckls04 : I think it just tends to polarize them more. Very few people are indifferent to Reagan (or Thatcher), but some believe him to be a saint, just as som
99 GDB : It wasn't about Labour in the 1960's, it was about Scargill being years away from running the NUM. When Joe Gormley led them out in 1972, it was abou
100 OA260 : As a 13 year old it was quite scary believe me. AIDS was also just being realised then too. Well as I have said in many a thread I read them all then
101 zckls04 : In school? Or outside of school? The distinction is important. Were schools actively promoting homosexuality at the time? Mine wasn't as far as remem
102 Dano1977 : True story During the minors strike, when thousands of workers out on the picket line, not getting paid and causing hardship to their families, my gr
103 soJo : Having read all of the above posts, I am at a loss. To all the detractors of her time in Parliament, I have this to say. She served this Country well.
104 Post contains images TheCommodore : What the hell dose it matter if it was at school or outside ? You have made your point VERY clear on where you stand regarding Thatchers death, move
105 OA260 : She actually got it from school , She was in 6th form as they called it and a left wing anti Tory history teacher gave her that amongst other things.
106 zckls04 : It's a discussion about section 28. Read up about it and you'll understand why it's relevant to whether the legislation was justified at the time. Yo
107 zckls04 : Interesting- was it that exact book or just something similar? What was the purpose of the history teacher giving it to her? To try and "promote" a g
108 Post contains images AeroWesty : The first rule of the Gay Agenda is that you don't ...
109 Post contains images zckls04 : That reminds me of my other favorite phrase used by some of the Christian fundamentalists, the "International Gay Mafia". That puts a picture in my h
110 aloges : The way she tried to sabotage the reunification of my country was inexcusable. That's what I remember her for. Kind words? I'm sorry, but none comes t
111 Post contains images NAV20 : Oddly enough, most of the colliery closures of the time weren't directly the work of either politician. In North-East England, anyway, they were main
112 kiwirob : 1) I'm about the same age as you so bang goes that theory 2) I have some family who are from South Africa 3) You're not getting what I've said at all
113 OA260 : I will have to ask her as I cant be 100% sure it was that book or another similar publication but there was an agenda amongst certain teachers and no
114 BN747 : Ummm no, you're not your age range tops out at 36..in 1982-85, puts you at 4-7 tops... - having the same awareness then as 4-7 year old of Egyptian p
115 ltbewr : One area as to Ms. Thatcher not discussed so far - and important for the primary subject of this site - is her affects on Airlines. Getting BA out of
116 kiwirob : Well I do know how old I am and I'm in my 40's. Yup have an uncle from South Africa. So what if his cause was noble, he was a terrorist, as was David
117 BN747 : Even more disturbing and damaging to anyone with a modicum of national pride.. is being completely aware of a vital role your own nation played in a
118 Post contains links OA260 : Some more detail on the funeral arrangements: Lady Thatcher's coffin will be transferred to the Chapel of St Mary Undercroft in the Palace of Westmins
119 GDB : One other aspect of her time, aside from the Channel Tunnel, hardly any major infrastructure projects were approved. This carried on well into the Maj
120 Post contains links RobertNL070 : A state funeral in all but name. Even the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh are attending, apparently of their own volition. It would appear that Marga
121 zckls04 : I remember the bad old days of the London Underground in the mid 90s- unfinished walkways, wires hanging down from ceilings, constant breakdowns. The
122 kiwirob : You have no idea about what happened in NZ during the 81 Springbok tour, I have family members and family friends who were on both sides of the issue
123 Post contains images OA260 : Well as David Cameron pointed out she saved us £75BN in the EU rebate so money is not an issue when it comes to her funeral. London 2012 my friend L
124 BN747 : This has absolutely NOTHING to do with anything... you honestly do not get a shred of the context and meaning of any of this .. do you? I'm completel
125 RobertNL070 : You mght find that it William Hague was who pointed that out. A very large chunk of money, GBP 75 billion. However, she was a politician who never wo
126 zckls04 : I'm talking about earlier than that- during the mid-to late nineties. There was an improvement because of the Olympics as well, but I wasn't in the U
127 Pyrex : Amazing how so many ignorant people spout about "shutting down industries" and "promoting the City". She did none of that. She simply stood out of the
128 Post contains links johnboy : Quite an incredible speech by MP (and former actress) Glenda Jackson against Thatcher. http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2013/04...tcherism-reeked.html#dis
129 Quokkas : What a ghastly spectacle the funeral of Thatcher is becoming. The Tories are milking Thatcher's sad demise for all it is worth. Recalling Parliament t
130 Post contains images BN747 : Boy, no exaggeration there! That speech really summed up Thatcherism...! Quoting Jackson from the link - "...greed, selfishness became the standard.
131 GDB : It was nowhere near as simple as that, favoured industries were still subsidised. One thing I do remember, my parents were not Tory voters, neither w
132 kiwirob : Then why did you bring it up it it has NOTHING to do with anything. Clearly you don't understand the place rugby has in NZ society or amongst South A
133 OA260 : They actually both did . I saw an interview with Cameron and read a newspaper about William Hagues quote also. She improved many including mine. So I
134 RomeoBravo : Thatcher definitely wore the trousers in that relationship. You should be more concerned about the human damage and cost that would have occurred if
135 ImperialEagle : Who's doing the funeral? Leverton & Sons or the corporate owned Kenyon's?
136 vc10 : At the top of the "non Aviation " page it says "Do not post here unless you are capable of expressing yourself in a civilized manner". Therefore could
137 Post contains links OA260 : Some of the high profile figures attending the funeral next Wednesday : Downing Street said that among those who had confirmed their attendance were:
138 ltbewr : Beyond Former US Sec. of State Hillary Clinton, who will represent the US Government? Will President Obama and the First Lady attend or will the VP o
139 Post contains links TheCommodore : As will be John Howard, former PM of Australia, who was a great fan of the Baroness. http://www.smh.com.au/world/howard-m...atcher-funeral-20130412-2
140 Quokkas : It is common for a Memorial Service to be held for former Prime Ministers but that is not the same as a State or Ceremonial Funeral. In the UK State
141 Post contains links Braybuddy : Her detractors are sending the BBC into a tizzy: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...garet-thatchers-death-8566042.html I was working on Monday mor
142 Post contains links OA260 : You know I think the BBC should not play it because its clear the intention and aimed to hurt. People tend to forget she has two children and a wider
143 Braybuddy : Interesting dilemma and I'm of two minds here: while it is in bad taste, freedom of speech and censorship are also involved, so they're probably hitt
144 OA260 : Yes I agree as much as its sick I guess a snippet is better than the full thing and especially if they dont make a fuss and dont mention it. Probably
145 Post contains links BN747 : For those who doubted New Zealand treading where the late Thatcher could have... but selfishly dared not... ...here it is. http://www.nzonscreen.com/t
146 Post contains links OA260 : Baroness Thatcher’s detailed funeral instructions to PM revealed Baroness Thatcher requested for Britain’s serving prime minister to deliver a rea
147 Confuscius : The death of Mrs. Thatcher is a loss to the British people indeed. However, IMO a bigger loss occurred on the same day, the death of actress and sing
148 KC135TopBoom : Farewell, Iron Lady, RIP. The world is worse off without you. You made a difference in the world, and I will always respect you for that.
149 Post contains links Dreadnought : And Obama decided that the state funeral of one of America's greatest allies is not worth sending an official representative. http://www.dailymail.co
150 aloges : He is sending official representatives. Just none that is currently serving in the US government.
151 AeroWesty : It isn't a state funeral, even though the Queen has decided to attend to pay her respects.
152 GDB : It's not a state funeral, though it looks much like one and is, in my view, a bit over the top. Whatever you thought of her, good or ill, she was not
153 TheCommodore : The Queen can go to ANY funeral she likes, even for a commoner. It dose not have to be a "State Funeral" for a Monarch to attend.
154 AeroWesty : Point out where I said otherwise, if you're going to take the time to make a post to call me out about it.
155 Quokkas : Although true, it is extremely rare for the Queen to attend the funerals of former politicians. Indeed the funeral for Thatcher will be the first one
156 Post contains links AeroWesty : Live BBC coverage on the web has begun: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22151589
157 OA260 : Yes very good so far Im travelling today so watching it on my iPhone in the lounge. Hopefully the flight im on will have the wifi working so I can wa
158 Post contains images zkojq : I have to say that I love all the ceremony of this. You know all the marching, the Queen's Guard, cavalry etc. My thoughts are with Mrs Thatcher's fam
159 AeroWesty : That was very dignified, I liked how the service brought in aspects of Thatcher's Methodist upbringing, even though it took place in cathedral for the
160 Post contains images TheCommodore : Me tooooo ! The Brits can really do pomp and ceremony thing, hands down . RIP Baroness Thatcher.
161 RomeoBravo : The UK has put on a lot of classy shows over the past few years. Olympics, Jubilee, Royal Wedding. This wasn't an exception. Bit over the top mind, ma
162 SoJo : Amen
163 Post contains images OA260 : A fitting end for a wonderful Woman. Pleased the trouble makers stayed away. RIP Mrs T and thanks for your service and huge contribution to the UK. Yo
164 Post contains images Confuscius : Yeah, this Obama guy can't do anything right. He didn't even send an official representative to Hugo Chavez's funeral, a fellow socialist too. The ne
165 Post contains images OA260 : Well to be honest the ''special''relationship is long watered down . Its not a real thing anymore. Much the same as the Irish - American thang Its al
166 RomeoBravo : I get the feeling the current US regime doesn't really like the UK. The BP thing, giving away our nuke info, Falklands indifference. It's a shame Nan
167 OA260 : Well its no special relationship thats for sure . No more than they have with Canada/France/Germany etc... The old Thatcher/Reagan days are long gone
168 Post contains links mariner : Why would he US send an official representative? Mrs. Thatcher was not a head of state, nor was it a state funeral. It was a ceremonial funeral with
169 GDB : it does in the intelligence and military areas, the NSA and GCHQ do have a unique relationship. The political stuff is just posturing. Well, when Mic
170 ImperialEagle : Don't forget the Funeral Directors! They are in charge of DIRECTING the whole event. I've been in the business for over 45 years and I can tell you i
171 GDB : Indeed, they've been since I think it was said, the 18th Century! Certainly it was stated that they are on their 9th generation of funeral directing.
172 Post contains images zkojq : Credit to them for doing an excellent job.
173 Post contains links Bongodog1964 : As this is an aviation Follow the link below for an interview with the man in charge http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...er-at-home-with-a-single-m
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