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In Praise Of Los Angeles, California  
User currently offlineicanfly From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 84 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4773 times:

After a few visits to Los Angeles, I'm convinced it's the most underrated major city in the world. (When was the last time you read or watched a detailed feature about LA, in contrast to say London, Paris or New York?) For a start, A-netters will know the approach from the air on a sunny day is breathtaking: especially the view of Downtown's skyscrapers set against the snow-capped San Gabriel Mountains. Looking out at the sprawling metropolis below, crisscrossed with more freeways than some entire countries have, it thrills me to think it's also home to the same number of people as some countries, like Australia.

Then, of course, there is its spectacular setting: a vast plain with a mountain range rippling through it, dramatically ending at the Pacific Ocean. Forget the old-world classics of Paris, Rome and Venice; LA's beauty is of the 20th century kind, designed for the jet-age and the automobile and making maximum advantage of its natural surroundings and climate. Wide, open boulevards. Winding, narrow mountain roads. Palm trees everywhere, sometimes in the most unlikely places. And then there are the homes! Some of the most opulent in the world, built in every architectural style imaginable, from Art Deco to Spanish Revival to replicas of French chateaux.

For me, the city has a whimsical, almost surreal quality which I've never experienced anywhere else in the world.

I've noticed many A-netters are based in or have visited LA, so I thought this post would be the ideal place to celebrate this remarkable city.

To Los Angeles!


United: please start SYD-IAH!
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User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2576 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4770 times:

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
designed for the jet-age and the automobile and making maximum advantage of its natural surroundings and climate.



Translation: tacky strip-mall on every corner.   

I appreciate your admiration but personally I think it's an overcrowded, dirty, traffic-congested dump.......and slapping down some palm trees doesn't "pretty" it up at all. JMHO.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6407 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4760 times:

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
A-netters will know the approach from the air on a sunny day is breathtaking: especially the view of Downtown's skyscrapers set against the snow-capped San Gabriel Mountains

Only in winter, if you happen to be on the right side of the plane to see it!

It's far too spread out for me.. I've only ever gone into the city center for things like the Auto Show and for basketball games and to be honest, I don't feel like I'm missing out on much either. I also couldn't believe how cold the water was in September when I was there last! I guess I thought of the California coast to be too much like Hawaii...

They do have one good thing though - the In-N-Out on South Sepulveda Blvd under the approach for the 24s 



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4746 times:

Now I have to pay for FirstClass membership here, for the purpose of adding icanfly to my RU list.

Los Angeles was where I moved to when I was a teenager who'd just been kicked out of casa (and didn't know if he was gonna end up homeless or what, therefore had to go somewhere warm  ). It's a tremendously meaningful place for me and I remember it with all the zeal and vigor I first brought to it when I was making it my chosen home. The Los Angeles Times isn't the newspaper it was back then, but back then it was an impossibly insightful, incisive, perspicuous daily masterpiece. I couldn't believe I could pick it up for 35¢ and score as much superb reading material as if I'd just dropped $100 in a bookstore - every. single. day.

African Theater from the BBC Africa Service was aired by KCRW-FM, the college-affiliated, NPR-affiliated radio station out of Santa Monica; the station also brought us Morning Becomes Eclectic   every weekday.

I was fascinated by the topography of the place - Los Angeles a place where the desert nearly meets the ocean, and the mountains meet the canyons.

It's a place that helped this boy meet manhood.

I wish I had more time to flesh out this here encomium, but for now, I just wanted to give props to icanfly for having the cajones to come out and say the truth about one of our country's majorly awesome and oft-wrongly-maligned urbs.

Hooray for Elay!!!



Pancakes are delicious.
User currently offlineicanfly From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4727 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 3):
I just wanted to give props to icanfly for having the cajones to come out and say the truth about one of our country's majorly awesome and oft-wrongly-maligned urbs

Thank you so much Airstud for sharing your very personal connection with Los Angeles. It feels great to see someone else feels the same    For years before I actually visited LA, I'd noticed nearly everyone who had been there complained about it...johnboy's comment is typical.

Then, when I actually visited for the first time, I couldn't believe those people were talking about the same city! For me it was the most magical place I'd ever been. I started this thread in the hope others who feel the same will come forward and share their love too.

One repeated complaint I hear is about the freeways. But for me, they are beautiful. Like rivers of freedom, they sweep across the plains, down to the sea and through the mountains, linking distant communities. Even more than the Statue of Liberty, they are the ultimate symbol of American liberty...they carry hundreds of thousands of people wherever they want to go, at any time of the day or night.



United: please start SYD-IAH!
User currently offlineiMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6279 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4701 times:

I have never heard a freeway described as beautiful. A mountain, a tree, a boulder, a woman are examples of beauty. Oh well, to each his own. I hate LA but then I despise all cities equally.


Quit calling an airport ramp "Tarmac" and a taxiway "runway".
User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1346 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4703 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 3):

I was fascinated by the topography of the place - Los Angeles a place where the desert nearly meets the ocean, and the mountains meet the canyons.

I think it is because I grew up in a place that really doesn't have much of that (though a lot of nice man-made stuff) that I really do appreciate that more here. One thing I love about town is how (when the smog's not out) you can just see so damned far. From the Ralph's I shop at, you can see Catalina from one side and out almost to Oxnard from the other. From other local spots, you can see out to San Berdo one way, and down past Long Beach, Orange County, and to the Mountains near San Diego the other (it's slightly elevated where I live so that helps). On the East Coast, there simply aren't vistas like that.

Quoting icanfly (Reply 4):
For years before I actually visited LA, I'd noticed nearly everyone who had been there complained about it...johnboy's comment is typical.

People complain about everywhere. I'm sure there's someone who will tell you what a shithole Aspen is, or how much they can't stand Nice, or how run down Cape Town is.

When my company transferred me back out to LA, I knew what I was getting into, warts and all. But I still love it out here. You're right, it's a beautiful town and nothing like the cultural wasteland people want it to be.

One thing I also like about it is that despite the "rep" as a plastic, lily consumer nest, it's actually a pretty industrial town too. We have the nation's largest Deepwater Seaport here, some of the largest rail junctions and yards in the world, refineries all over the place, factories too, and even a good amount of Oil Drilling operations, both off-shore and on. If you're into urb-ex at all, and/or like industrial looking backdrops for your photography, this place has all of that in spades. We may not be quite the equal of Detroit in that way, but it isn't all Lawyers and Talent Agents either.

In all seriousness, I firmly believe that LA County could very easily function as it's own country if it ever had to. There really is that much going on here.

Quoting icanfly (Reply 4):

One repeated complaint I hear is about the freeways. But for me, they are beautiful. Like rivers of freedom, they sweep across the plains, down to the sea and through the mountains, linking distant communities.

I'd certainly like to see more rail mass transit here (though it is a lot better now than it has been), but yes, our freeways are a lot more useful than folks acknowledge.

Our roads are generally pretty good here too. I've noticed a lot of municipalities, especially near where I live going to white LED lighting for their street lamps lately. I hope this really catches on.



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):

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You, sir, are welcome to take my spot here in Los Angeles.

What a terrible city. One of the only good things is:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 3):

African Theater from the BBC Africa Service was aired by KCRW-FM, the college-affiliated, NPR-affiliated radio station out of Santa Monica; the station also brought us Morning Becomes Eclectic  every weekday.

My favorite radio station. That's all I listen to.



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User currently offlineRomeoBravo From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2013, 1421 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

The setting are nice and some areas are no doubt very nice places to live.

As a tourist it's not really obvious what to do or where to go. It doesn't feel like a city, just a never ending sprawl of urban area. You need a car to get anywhere, the transport is appalling and it lacks pedestrian friendly areas. Roads dominate the place, you feel like an ant walking around at the mercy of cars.

I don't hate it but nothing really draws me there. It's a convenient base for the SoCal area so i'm usually in a good mood if i'm there because i know i'm not far away from much nicer areas.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4630 times:

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
After a few visits to Los Angeles, I'm convinced it's the most underrated major city in the world.

  

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
Forget the old-world classics of Paris, Rome and Venice; LA's beauty is of the 20th century kind, designed for the jet-age and the automobile and making maximum advantage of its natural surroundings and climate.

Exactly. Screw that old shit and it's "character." Make it big, make it useful, make it air conditioned, and make it with a big parking lot.

Quoting icanfly (Reply 4):
One repeated complaint I hear is about the freeways. But for me, they are beautiful. Like rivers of freedom, they sweep across the plains, down to the sea and through the mountains, linking distant communities.

Right again. And for that matter, how many movies have been made about taking the bus?

Quoting iMissPiedmont (Reply 5):
A mountain, a tree, a boulder, a woman are examples of beauty.

Mountains mostly get in the way, trees are mostly useless unless you cut it down and turn it into a table, boulders roll to inconvenient places, and women complain a lot.

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 6):
In all seriousness, I firmly believe that LA County could very easily function as it's own country if it ever had to. There really is that much going on here.

...and Orange County would like to function as their own country.

Truthfully, the whole eco-hipster BS has infected many places and LA didn't seem especially worse than anywhere else.



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9787 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4617 times:
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Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
making maximum advantage of its natural surroundings and climate.

Indeed. Build a metropolis in a semi-desert, and deal with perpetual water shortages.

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
For a start, A-netters will know the approach from the air on a sunny day is breathtaking: especially the view of Downtown's skyscrapers set against the snow-capped San Gabriel Mountains.

Absolutely not. Approaching LA at night is the way to go. During the day, you see the disgusting brown soup you are about to start breathing in. At night, you just see a beautiful vast sea of lights, and the smog can pass for fog or clouds.

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
Palm trees everywhere

I thought that was awesome at first, too. Until I realized palm trees are the most useless trees in existence.

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
Some of the most opulent in the world, built in every architectural style imaginable, from Art Deco to Spanish Revival to replicas of French chateaux.

And, of course, the vast swaths of tract homes and McMansions.



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User currently offlineSmittyone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
Mountains mostly get in the way,

Interesting (to me) aside on this...

Aside from one year in the Midwest I have always lived within a short distance of either the Atlantic Ocean or the Great Lakes, which has given me a kind of geographical agoraphobia.

If I were to live somewhere other than near the sea I would probably have to live near mountains, specifically because they get in the way!


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4585 times:

Quoting johnboy (Reply 1):

Translation: tacky strip-mall on every corner.

er -- that'd Orange County..

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 7):
You, sir, are welcome to take my spot here in Los Angeles.

What a terrible city

Take his place!

Butbe warned, you may have to assume his place at the Catholic school to which he makes a daily grueling arduous trek.

Having lived on the east coast, been to every large city in America (500K or more) and 41 of the 50 states (incl Alaska & Hawaii plus Guam and PR)... there is simply no better place in the USA to live if you like a thriving and vibrant city where all things are possible. And you can handle the periodic earthquakes. It's a great party city if you're 'in the know', a great sporting city for anything to do mountain activity to those of the seas. The hottest women come here chasing film dreams (as do the guys) where you can break your neck and your lunch grow cold because you're so busy looking (that is if you're not yet accustomed). The Wilshire Corridor can fill that need of living in a Manhattan-like elegant highrise. It is the only place you can step out to let a Prius driver have it for taking up too much space by awkward parking .. and it be driven by a celebrity. You're sure to bump into your favorite porn star in a nightclub or at the beach. It is also a huge pet-owner city with dog parks everywhere including a dedicated doggy beach (ok, that's in OC too) but you can get away with it in Marina Del Rey if you know where to go. Mastering the stunning Pacific Coast highway drive on one of many perfect days with the right car can only be rivaled by a drive along the Amalfi coast.

Although, like every major city on earth, it has it's bad sections of town (you really need a car to get to the majority of them) and too many Prius drivers, there is no question it is the best place to live IMHO. And having LAX nearby is the icing on the cake. A very hard to beat combo!

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 963 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

I lived in Los Angeles for a brief period in the mid-1980s after having attended college in northern California. Compared with the San Francisco bay area I found L.A. to be a letdown in terms of the vibrancy of its culture. I enjoyed the southern California weather but felt L.A. was somewhat soulless when compared to the bay area. Upon reflection I now realize most of my dissatisfaction with Los Angeles was a function of my unhappiness in my job. If I had to do it over again I would try to leave my job stress behind and enjoy what southern California had to offer. I think I missed out on what L.A. had in its favor and wouldn't mind having the chance to try over under different circumstances.

User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 13):
Upon reflection I now realize most of my dissatisfaction with Los Angeles was a function of my unhappiness in my job. If I had to do it over again I would try to leave my job stress behind and enjoy what southern California had to offer. I think I missed out on what L.A. had in its favor and wouldn't mind having the chance to try over under different circumstances.

An admirable admission.

And I find a majority of the LA haters have similar baggage that they'd rather omit... and focus on complaining.

But you are indeed correct on this..

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 13):
but felt L.A. was somewhat soulless when compared to the bay area

If you are floundering, this is will be a front and center & accurate observation. But NYC is the same exact way, you must be connected in some way to avoid that trap. The Bay Area is unique in that aspect, it seems to offer community in a way that actually reaches or calls out to the person that needs it most - any time, all the time. LA is somewhat souless due to the competitive pressures 'we place upon one another' in unspoken competition. Your insecurities must be kept in check to survive here or it will overwhelm you and send you packing.

Visitors having a bad spell, well all I can say to that is... you most likely have bad spells everywhere you go or resort to better planning skills.

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineSmittyone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4556 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 12):
Having lived on the east coast, been to every large city in America (500K or more) and 41 of the 50 states (incl Alaska & Hawaii plus Guam and PR)... there is simply no better place in the USA to live if you like a thriving and vibrant city where all things are possible.

Is the air quality as big a deal as it's made out to be? I only visited LA one time (by sea) and I don't remember it.


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4536 times:

I'm a cityboy through and through, but my thoughts about LA? Meh...

I don't have any reason to hate it, but I don't have any reason to love it either. If I had one complaint it's that the sprawl is out of hand. I prefer to see cities build up rather than build out. Also, the pollution there is pretty nasty, but it's not going to stop me from going there.

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 8):
I don't hate it but nothing really draws me there. It's a convenient base for the SoCal area so i'm usually in a good mood if i'm there because i know i'm not far away from much nicer areas.

   My thoughts exactly.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
how many movies have been made about taking the bus?

Speed  
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
trees are mostly useless unless you cut it down and turn it into a table
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
women complain a lot

Yeah! Who needs breathable air or reproduction, anyway?

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 6):
In all seriousness, I firmly believe that LA County could very easily function as it's own country if it ever had to. There really is that much going on here.

What about "going on" would make it a successful country? The only way LA would ever survive as a country is if they became a free trade zone. I honestly can't think of any other way.



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

Quoting Smittyone (Reply 15):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 12):
Having lived on the east coast, been to every large city in America (500K or more) and 41 of the 50 states (incl Alaska & Hawaii plus Guam and PR)... there is simply no better place in the USA to live if you like a thriving and vibrant city where all things are possible.

Is the air quality as big a deal as it's made out to be? I only visited LA one time (by sea) and I don't remember it.

yes and no...depending on where you live.

If you live in the San Fernando, La Cresenta or San Gabriel Valleys and about 5-7 miles in from the Orange County shoreline... on a bad smoggy day, you're on the crappy end of business. It's really gonna suck.

Hollywood from about La Brea Av (running north/south) all the way down to Ladera Heights (just northeast of LAX).. it's gonna suck, then the n/s delineation line moves east towards the Western avenue (n/s divide) because all communities along the shoreline about 5-10 miles in - receive a constant off shore breeze keeping all that pollution at a distance (and blowing all our pollution eastward trapping it up against the eastern range of mountains. So looking at a map, Malibu heading down to Pacific Palisades, Brentwood, Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, West LA (to La Brea) Marina Del Rey, most of Culver City, LAX, all Beach Cities (Manhattan, Hermosa and Reodndo) are spared of smog almost entirely. When we get the rare Santa Ana winds (Oct, Nov thru now Apr) also known as on shore winds, the flow comes from the east or mountain areas - bringing a good deal of the inland smog to coastal areas.

But even then, on it's worse day... it' never as bad in the smog-free areas as it normally is in the east basin regions I mentioned above.

The Valley areas above are just horrific on smoggy days, it gets trapped with the mountains serving as a huge wall boxing in smog with little wind to disperse it. Add some serious heat to it and it becomes unbearable.. but that's where the super cheap rent is located and now you know the reason why. I hope you get the picture.

Many visitors totally confuse the Marine layer (low cloud cover from the Pacific) as smog because they get up in sunny Hollywood or some inner city region - head to the beach and become crestfallen because there's no sun and the sky is grey.

[Edited 2013-04-11 10:10:32]


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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9787 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4530 times:
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Quoting BN747 (Reply 17):
Many visitors totally confuse the Marine layer (low cloud cover from the Pacific) as smog because they get up in sunny Hollywood or some inner city region - head to the beach and become crestfallen because there's no sun and the sky is grey.

Marine layer is white or gray. Smog has a distinct brownish tint.  

By the way, regarding my previous post, I actually live in the LA area, and although there's plenty to dislike, the weather near the coast (where I live) makes up for just about all of it.



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39703 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4524 times:

I lived there for 15 years. I go back because I have family & friends there.

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
the approach from the air on a sunny day is breathtaking: especially the view of Downtown's skyscrapers set against the snow-capped San Gabriel Mountains.



Only a few days out of the year do you get that experience. It's best just minutes after the rain storm ends which dumps tons of snow on the mountains. Then the next day it's back to the brown, hazy smog.

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
And then there are the homes! Some of the most opulent in the world, built in every architectural style imaginable, from Art Deco to Spanish Revival to replicas of French chateaux.



That I can agree with!
I'm a fan of the mid-20th century era homes, particularly the Joseph Eichler homes often found in Granada Hills, Thousand Oaks and Orange. Lot's of other nice ranch style homes of this era in the Hastings Ranch area of Pasadena, Ladera Heights and in Palos Verdes.



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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 2):
I also couldn't believe how cold the water was in September when I was there last! I guess I thought of the California coast to be too much like Hawaii...


The current comes from Alaska. The waters off the coast of California is not tropical - hence why they never get hurricanes.

Quoting iMissPiedmont (Reply 5):
I have never heard a freeway described as beautiful.


There are a few. I like I-210 between Pasadena and San Fernando.
Also the I-280 between South San Francisco to San Jose is a beautiful freeway too. That's up in the Bay Area.

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 8):
Roads dominate the place, you feel like an ant walking around at the mercy of cars.


Only homeless people walk in LA.
Even in the song 'Walking In LA' says; "only a nobody walks in LA".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3CF7xwoglU

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
Exactly. Screw that old shit and it's "character." Make it big, make it useful, make it air conditioned, and make it with a big parking lot.



  
I've already seen most of Europe. It feels more like an extravagant school feild trip.
The old world charm of Europe would be more appealing if it wasn't so expensive and full of cigarette smoking, anti-American socialist.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 10):
I thought that was awesome at first, too. Until I realized palm trees are the most useless trees in existence.


  

Quoting BN747 (Reply 12):
er -- that'd Orange County..


...and San Fernando Valley, San Gabriel Valley, West Covina, Pomona as well as Torrance, Carson, Lomita, Manhattan Beach, Cerritos, Lakewood and all other south adjacent cities which are all in Los Angeles county.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4523 times:

Having lived around the globe I opted to make Los Angeles my primary home over 20-years ago.

Frankly, its probably one of the best balanced places I have ever experienced.

Yes its huge - Los Angeles County alone has 88 individual municipalities without even getting into more distant areas like Orange County.

However its exactly this vastness that creates such incredible diversity in living styles. Each city and even sub section of the 88 cities has its own style and flavor driven by geography, economics and types of people and industry.

One can chose to pursue such radically different type of life styles in a single place is pretty unique. For example you can have an entirely flip flop and shorts lifestyle in many beach communities, to high rise luxury living, to ranch style homes, to desert and mountain living, or little town America suburbs all within a few miles of each other.

The geography combined with weather also provide for an incredible amount of outdoor activities. Again from the beach to hiking the many great canyon trails, to vast outdoor parks, to desert camping, or mountain skiing.

And yes economically the area is as diverse also. With Americas largest port, one of the largest airports, huge manufacturing base, large petro chemical industry, aerospace and technology, to heart of the worlds entertainment industry you will also find yourself surrounded by very diverse populace. LA is far from being a single industry town like many other places.

Speaking of population of the 18 million or so folks on broader Los Angeles, according to census there were 224 individual languages identified - this creates a very diverse social base with positive side benefits in things like the local food scene, arts, entertainment, etc.

Oh and yes, there weather is indeed fanstastic. Rarely too hot, and very rare below anything I would term "mild".

  

East or West Home is Best !



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4522 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 18):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 17):
Many visitors totally confuse the Marine layer (low cloud cover from the Pacific) as smog because they get up in sunny Hollywood or some inner city region - head to the beach and become crestfallen because there's no sun and the sky is grey.

Marine layer is white or gray. Smog has a distinct brownish tint.

I know that.

You know that

Now they need to print that in the LA Visitors Guides and publish it on websites... you give visitors too much credit in thinking they're that smart. You have no idea how many times I've heard human beings calling marine layer ..smog!

BN747



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9787 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4516 times:
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Quoting BN747 (Reply 21):
I know that.

You know that

Now they need to print that in the LA Visitors Guides and publish it on websites... you give visitors too much credit in thinking they're that smart. You have no idea how many times I've heard human beings calling marine layer ..smog!

Oh, I know. I was just posting it for the benefit of anyone else reading.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):

I like that you posted the Brady's house!   

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
Only a few days out of the year do you get that experience.

It's quite a bit more than that now. You can see the mountains just about the whole winter (assuming it's not cloudy). They're not always snow-capped (not too much of that this year), but the air is getting cleaner, slowly.



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39703 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4493 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 22):
I like that you posted the Brady's house!



That is the quintessential southern California house.  
I know I like to knock Los Angeles a lot but there are some good things about the place. I think LA has the best drivers as long as it's not raining.
I learned to drive there back when you could get a driver's license at age 16, schools had money for cars and driver's ed was required for graduation. I'm sure that's all been replaced by poetry and green studies courses now.

LA has a great selection of Mexican food all throughout, Persian food in West LA and the world's only Thaitown.
I also like the auto-wrecking yards (junk yards) in SoCal.
Since cars is such an integral part of SoCal life, there are plenty of wrecking yards with a great selection of car parts for very cheap.

Vikkyvik, you may appreciate this but Los Angeles has to have the world's cheapest musical instruments!
Thanks to all those bands that fail and have addictions to support, there is a glut of musical instruments and recording gear there.
In most places I travel, I like to check out the local music stores just to see their selection and prices. The guitar stores on Sunset near Guitar Center have an amazing selection of new and vintage guitars, basses, amps, analog & digital synthesizers, drums, effects pedals, percussion, etc.
The prices are bargain basement compared to other cities in the US and throughout the world. On my next trip, I'll be bringing back some gear for my friends here in Bangkok that are in bands. The cost for instruments here is criminal!
Fisher Price grade guitars go for about $500 here.   

I like the higher speed limits and longer straightaways on the freeways, access to the mountains in the winter and the beaches in the summer.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4479 times:

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
I've noticed many A-netters are based in or have visited LA, so I thought this post would be the ideal place to celebrate this remarkable city.

To Los Angeles!

Thank you for your fine comments!LA and California,IMHO,is overall,arguably,the most beautiful place on the planet!

But then,there are the politicians who trashed our state with incompetence,ultra liberal politics especially with social and welfare programs with illegal immigration and taxes,taxes and more taxes



Tuesday's Off! Do not disturb.
25 Post contains images vikkyvik : Not a chance in hell. I despise driving on the freeways here, because someone manages to piss me off every mile. A note to anyone driving in greater
26 Post contains images Superfly : California politics has gone to hell in a hand-basket. That must be a new thing because that is how San Francisco drivers behave. ??? Craigslist is t
27 vikkyvik : Don't know what you're talking about. List of instruments I've purchased on Craigslist: 6 guitars 1 bass 1 keyboard 2 guitar amps 1 bass amp If it's
28 Superfly : Which is useless if you're in another country.
29 vikkyvik : OK, but you said you were bringing back instruments for friends of yours. No reason you can't purchase them on Craigslist and do that. Anyway, point
30 Superfly : It's the shipping cost that will kill you. Many of those private sellers will not even bother shipping overseas.
31 dc9northwest : Yeah, well, if I can't walk in a city, it's enough for me to hate it. LA's the major city I'd least like to live in, at least in the US. You can't wa
32 Bongodog1964 : Is there a different freeway system to the one I end up parked on for seemingly hours ? LA is an endless urban sprawl , every main road lined with fa
33 mercure1 : Yes I praise Los Angeles also. Good Pacific gateway to America. Very much fun things do and go. Lot of good shopping, entertainment and eating. Overal
34 Post contains images Braniff747SP : Indeed! Hear, hear. I can't stand this. I do...
35 Post contains images CaliAtenza : I think they look beautiful when you look down upon them from above . Oh but dont you remember Speed, with a young Keanu Reeves and Sandra Bullock. A
36 LAXintl : A couple points. With LA having so many distinct sections, one can very easily spend your entire daily life in a single area and not need to venture f
37 vikkyvik : On, if I remember correctly, some backup runway or other. Still have yet to find said backup runway. I have no idea. I have some coworkers who commut
38 slider : Your entire description is about a Los Angeles that hasn't existed in reality for many decades.
39 us330 : It was only designed for the automobile because the car companies bought up the different municipal streetcar lines that served a vast portion of the
40 Post contains images Superfly : Many people would love to. The problem is that their job may change and job location may change. Housing near their job my be too expensive. There ar
41 Post contains images LAXintl : But its still ultimately peoples choice as to where they live, or where they accept work. Those that want the big cheap house in Palmdale, then along
42 vikkyvik : I find myself stuck, but not stressed out. Don't see the point of getting stressed out about traffic. It's there, you're going to sit in it, and gett
43 Braniff747SP : In an ideal world, sure. But we don't live in an ideal world, and for a myriad of reasons this won't work for everyone.
44 Post contains images tommy767 : I can't wait to go back to LA in 2 months for grad school. I missed it a lot over the last few years. NYC can suck it
45 DarkSnowyNight : Really? That's kind of weird. I find that the freeways are usually better than a lot the surface roads, especially here, where it's one of the few ar
46 Post contains images L0VE2FLY : Just like any other city, there's good and not so good places in LA, but overall it's not too bad in my opinion. I have relatives living there and the
47 icanfly : Yes, exactly, that's how I feel. It's not the look of concrete as such but the exhilaration of being on them and covering long distances effortlessly
48 BMI727 : Yeah. The useful kind.
49 tommy767 : I beg the differ. NYC is definitely hell.
50 Post contains images Superfly : Not necessarily. You don't know everyone's circumstances that may require them to live where they live. Often times that is not an option, especially
51 vikkyvik : That's where I went after work today (minus the burger, because I'm trying to eat somewhat healthy...). There are areas with surface streets that I a
52 Post contains images icanfly : $83. I was tired after the long flight from SYD and just wanted the quickest option. But, I was so thrilled with the ride (as described above) I gave
53 DarkSnowyNight : Good point. Didn't think of that, but that's totally true. I actually do come home that way, a lot. But then again, I get out of work typically aroun
54 Post contains links and images Confuscius : San Fernando valley http://www.theleakywiki.com/component/k2/item/617.html [Edited 2013-04-12 22:02:09]
55 BN747 : And the version you speak of 'the Leave it to Beaver' golden age ... was a complete fallacy. Wasn't real at all. The city was overtly corrupt from th
56 Post contains images Superfly : That taxi driver will always remember you. That is where I lived my teenage years and went to high school there. It's a fun city if you know people t
57 Post contains images Confuscius : I like driving on Mulholland Drive from the Santa Monica mountains to the Hollywood hills. I thought I've seen your work. Where you in Black Poles In
58 Superfly : Come to think of it, there is hardly ever any traffic on the Pasadena freeway. That is another nice drive. Another great drive is on Angeles Crest Hi
59 DarkSnowyNight : That is one of my all time favs! Except for last summer when I faded the shit out of my brakes on the way down, lol. I had to wait at that Ralph's Fr
60 Superfly : I had an alternator go out on that road once. Imagine having the power brakes fail and have to manually use the brakes on a 5,200 pound car with no p
61 Aeri28 : I used to say LA was a "feeling" and not a city. I actually grew up there, in Westchester, graduated Westchester HS in the 80s, all those old empty ho
62 Superfly : What year? My first year in college, I met a lot of Westchester students. I knew people from class of '91 and back to '88.
63 BN747 : To those of the artistic persuasion... it still is. It is also a city with an attitude - good and well.. snobish, but that's due to the competitive n
64 us330 : I would have loved to have been around in the 80s when poison, motley crue, and the like were tearing up the sunset strip. The stories from that era
65 Post contains images L0VE2FLY : I quit complaining about traffic since I started traveling overseas and noticed the lack of freeways and high gas prices in many parts of the world,
66 BN747 : And I'd believe every word of it! The insanity is sill going on, but it's much much less in your face due some taking up stalking as a full-time prof
67 Braniff747SP : One can get a 'protein style' burger wrapped in lettuce. Much better than anything Subway will ever serve... You can also get a grilled cheese; a bur
68 Post contains images Superfly : I caught the tail end of that era in the late 1980s. The glam rock / hair metal era was awesome! Subway isn't healthy. You can go to In-N-Out and eat
69 Post contains links 2707200X : We in LA don't have the rows of tall buildings and rail transit system that New York City has and Alicia Keys ain't gong to "lets hear it for LA" but
70 Post contains images Aeri28 : A 'few' years (not many) before that I like that Westchester was part of the City of Los Angeles and used the Los Angeles 90045 zip code. It was also
71 Post contains images Superfly : Huh? Are you kidding? When it rains there, people die! Accidents left & right and some areas flood and occasionally people get swept in to the wa
72 Post contains images vikkyvik : What??? I haven't done Mt. Wilson (sadly), but I've done Strawberry Peak a couple times (a couple miles from Mt. Wilson). Love hiking up in the mount
73 Post contains images Superfly : The 110 yes (Harbor Freeway), but when it becomes the Pasadena Freeway after I-5, it's smooth sailing. Most of the 110 traffic north of I-10 is going
74 vikkyvik : Not in the afternoons - it can get quite slow.
75 chrisair : Sounds like New York...
76 Post contains images 2707200X : So people don't die anywhere else when it rains, right? And your response does not even relate to the statement that I made. Dumb TSA agent are every
77 tz757300 : Just came back from LA for a conference and this this thread is just repeating the one I started a few weeks ago. I actually got around well with publ
78 Post contains images icanfly : No, this thread is an homage to LA. It's a pity you couldn't stand it. Superfly has established that only homeless people walk in LA There's even a c
79 Braniff747SP : One of the things I hate the most. I like the rain and snow; instead, we are stuck with 75 degrees year round. Terrible. This is true. People in LA d
80 Post contains images Superfly : That must be a new thing. Back in my day, we could fly around those corners all day & night. Yes it does. You implied that it hardly ever rains t
81 Braniff747SP : I don't know about that... I've been close to getting into some bad smashes thanks to many a moron.
82 sccutler : Lived in the area (best of all worlds, had great neighborhood in Fullerton without the snotty OC attitude I often saw in south OC), loved being there
83 tommy767 : I used to live in Westchester myself. Once you get over the awful neighbors that are against college partying, it's not that bad. There are some nice
84 Post contains images Superfly : You need to be more assertive when driving and don't expect the others around you to obey the rules. New York and San Francisco is like that. Chicago
85 LAXintl : Funny this morning for work, I am reviewing the newly issued Los Angeles County 2012 Annual Report. Some interesting statistics - o Largest county in
86 cmf : Isn't most of those points just different ways of saying - Largest county in the US
87 Post contains images Superfly : Wrong. San Bernardino county is larger and so are a few others. ..and is on the verge of bankruptcy. Yet most people rather drive. Los Angeles has a
88 BN747 : Got around well with public transportation... Hated it because you need a car... ..wait a sec.. Which is it??? You're contradicting yourself! First y
89 OzGlobal : Just trying to understand: "Forget the old world classics", but what's impressive in LA are "replicas of French chateaux"? Would seem to confirm my i
90 Superfly : Not true. I was the only black on my street in all the 15 years I lived in San Francisco. All my neighbors were Chinese. I didn't have a problem with
91 Braniff747SP : I most certainly am assertive and I definitely don't expect anyone to do anything normal... However, I can't stop people from cutting me off and slam
92 Post contains links and images vikkyvik : It doesn't rain much at all here. We get just under 15" of precipitation annually, and have an average of 35 days of measurable precipitation per yea
93 BMI727 : That's what happens when too many people end up in Burbank. Still probably beats the hell out of Mojave though. You'd better know what's on the other
94 Post contains images Superfly : Wuss! ! ! ! No. Driving in LA is not for wusses! You might end up in the community that needs it's organizer back. Cherry county is pretty big.
95 chrisair : What the heck is an "automobile centric dessert?" Assuming you meant desert and not some sort of strange concoction you eat, you really have no idea
96 BN747 : With texting added to the mix.. driving in LA is now a super serious problem. I've seen old dudes and old korean women trying text and drive and I inv
97 Post contains images vikkyvik : They're in Palmdale. You're right. It's for utterly clueless people. See, aggressive driving doesn't bother me. That's what I grew up with in Boston.
98 Post contains links LAXintl : Population amigo LA Co. is hardly on the verge of BK. It runs a budget surplus, with good reserves. Banks rate it as "very good" - matter of fact in
99 OzGlobal : By 'desert', I was not speaking about climate... Please include the context of my post, where I say, despite previous experiences, I am returning to
100 Post contains images Superfly : Let's see if Jerry Brown tries to steal that money to help Torrance which is bankrupt and in LA Co or prop up the high-speed rail boondoggle. Try dri
101 BMI727 : Weather's getting nice and that means two things: boobies come out and shooting season. Lockheed was in Burbank until the 1980s.
102 vikkyvik : Till '89 or so, yes. But that's not the part I was correcting: They're not in Mojave (in the desert, yes, but not the city).
103 Braniff747SP : I can't do anything about other people's driving.
104 Post contains images sccutler : Amen, brother. I am not talking about a Northridge-strength temblor (though 6.7 is nothing to sneeze at); I mean a real quake, something in the 7.5+
105 Post contains images Superfly : You gotta learn to roll with it. Floor it is the best way to drive in SoCal. I was in that earthquake. I recall having a few classes held under tree
106 tz757300 : Ok, yes, that does seem contradictory, but let me explain. Using public transit to get to my conference was great, since my hotel (Hawthorne) was nex
107 Braniff747SP : I can't do that thanks to the Prius in the leftmost lane.
108 Post contains images Stabilator :
109 BN747 : Ok..why on earth would you select a hotel in of all places.. Hawthorne??? Anywhere but that would have been nice, I'm guessing you allowed 'hotels.co
110 tommy767 : I say racism in LA is overrated. Angelenos have progressed a lot in 20 years for certain. Come on out to NY/NJ now that is segregation. The suburbs g
111 BN747 : Apply that same matrix to the San Fernando Valley and lilly white Simi-Valley...and guess what? They're mostly Republicans...so what's your point? BN
112 vikkyvik : The Green Line ends in north Redondo, yes. There is an LAX stop, but yeah, you need to take a bus (I think) to get to the actual airport. Frankly, I
113 BN747 : That's true... the hotels usually shuttle or participate in a pooling op. But the Green Line now ends at line at Aviation Blvd & Imperial (LAX st
114 Post contains links vikkyvik : You mean they shortened it? It used to go a few stops past that to North Redondo. Far as I can tell, it still does.... http://www.metro.net/interacti
115 chrisair : I wasn't referring directly to you, which is why I didn't quote your post. But I thought that was pretty obvious by saying "please folks..."
116 sccutler : Such a simple and reasonable request... wasted on the brain-dead nimrods to whom it is directed. Indeed it is. Shameful, wasteful of resources and co
117 Post contains images Darksnowynight : Yeah I figured that was it.. I'm wondering if that one's a great drive too... That does sound awesome. Maybe. But Dallas really isn't that much small
118 Confuscius : I'm going to L.A. next month. I might do my usual scenic route from Beverly Hills to Camarillo via Sunset Blvd to the PCH and north on Hwy 23 to Thous
119 Superfly : Try to get a tour of some of the small studios out in Chatsworth where they film a lot of your favorite romance movies.
120 Post contains images Confuscius : Perhaps I can audition for "Milfs vs. Little Studs".
121 Post contains images Superfly : You should include that in your trip report.
122 tz757300 : My university department chose what they saw as the cheapest, yet somewhat convenient location. My input was...lacking. And I live in a similar area
123 Post contains links Confuscius : Just watched Anthony Bourdain: Parts Unknown, Koreatown on CNN. Now I know where to eat--- Sizzlers! Anthony Bourdain eating at Sizzlers and Jollibee,
124 sccutler : Painfully true, I'm afraid. My defense mechanism has become to try to live and work in close enough proximity, that i don't have to use a freeway to
125 Post contains links and images KaiGywer : I love LA and I went there a few times when I still working in the airline business. However, now being married to a woman who hates that yellow ball
126 Post contains images Confuscius : I've been to Jamestown, the home of the World's Largest Buffalo. Will you ticket Southwest pilots for taxiing too fast?
127 Superfly : What part of Dallas did JR Ewing have his ranch? That seems to be more your speed.
128 Post contains images vikkyvik : That's what I do. My commute used to be 4 miles, no freeways. Then I moved, and now it's 9 miles. Still no freeways, but I still complain about my lo
129 Post contains images KaiGywer : I should ask them for a ride along next time I'm in LA
130 Darksnowynight : Yeah, nice work if you can get it. As I said above, I like more about LA than I don't, and think it's an awesome place. But I sure don't pretend it's
131 Confuscius : I'll be in LA this weekend. Has anyone eaten at Yuca's? It's a small taco shack in Los Feliz. I've read great reviews, it's a James Beard Award winner
132 BN747 : I go by word-of-mouth vs some critics in these cases... a taco shack however, to me, is just as good as any food truck parked next to a construction
133 BMI727 : Follow the first responders. Any little restaurant with police cars or ambulances in the parking lot (assuming the lights are off) on a regular basis
134 Post contains links Superfly : Will you be staying at The Snooty Fox Motor Inn? http://www.yelp.com/biz/snooty-fox-motor-inn-los-angeles
135 Post contains images Confuscius : Nope, a wee bit more upscale hotel on 7th and Hope. Actually it's a Vietnamese banh mi (sandwich) place. If I go , I'll take the Metro to Union Stati
136 Post contains images Superfly : ...and get free health-care and free driver's license. Which version? Richard Harris or Donna Summers?
137 Post contains links and images Confuscius : Waylon Jennings I think this is the best version... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QDHcDtMp5w
138 SmittyOne : Just stumbled on this gem: "I used to like this town...Los Angeles was just a big dry sunny place with ugly homes and no style, but good-hearted and p
139 BN747 : Too bad the fella lacked Orwellian foresight... So I'd to know his description of Las Vegas, becuz that's a dead ringer of them today. ..LA has no le
140 SmittyOne : Indeed! I have no idea how accurate his description of LA was in 1949, but when I saw that passage (searching for the definition of a completely unre
141 Post contains links and images Confuscius : I was in L.A. last weekend. I took the Metro Red Line from 7th and Figueroa to Vermont and Sunset. The subway fare was $1.50 regardless of distance tr
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