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In Praise Of Los Angeles, California  
User currently offlineicanfly From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 87 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5157 times:

After a few visits to Los Angeles, I'm convinced it's the most underrated major city in the world. (When was the last time you read or watched a detailed feature about LA, in contrast to say London, Paris or New York?) For a start, A-netters will know the approach from the air on a sunny day is breathtaking: especially the view of Downtown's skyscrapers set against the snow-capped San Gabriel Mountains. Looking out at the sprawling metropolis below, crisscrossed with more freeways than some entire countries have, it thrills me to think it's also home to the same number of people as some countries, like Australia.

Then, of course, there is its spectacular setting: a vast plain with a mountain range rippling through it, dramatically ending at the Pacific Ocean. Forget the old-world classics of Paris, Rome and Venice; LA's beauty is of the 20th century kind, designed for the jet-age and the automobile and making maximum advantage of its natural surroundings and climate. Wide, open boulevards. Winding, narrow mountain roads. Palm trees everywhere, sometimes in the most unlikely places. And then there are the homes! Some of the most opulent in the world, built in every architectural style imaginable, from Art Deco to Spanish Revival to replicas of French chateaux.

For me, the city has a whimsical, almost surreal quality which I've never experienced anywhere else in the world.

I've noticed many A-netters are based in or have visited LA, so I thought this post would be the ideal place to celebrate this remarkable city.

To Los Angeles!


United: please start SYD-IAH!
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User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2602 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5154 times:

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
designed for the jet-age and the automobile and making maximum advantage of its natural surroundings and climate.



Translation: tacky strip-mall on every corner.   

I appreciate your admiration but personally I think it's an overcrowded, dirty, traffic-congested dump.......and slapping down some palm trees doesn't "pretty" it up at all. JMHO.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6457 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5144 times:

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
A-netters will know the approach from the air on a sunny day is breathtaking: especially the view of Downtown's skyscrapers set against the snow-capped San Gabriel Mountains

Only in winter, if you happen to be on the right side of the plane to see it!

It's far too spread out for me.. I've only ever gone into the city center for things like the Auto Show and for basketball games and to be honest, I don't feel like I'm missing out on much either. I also couldn't believe how cold the water was in September when I was there last! I guess I thought of the California coast to be too much like Hawaii...

They do have one good thing though - the In-N-Out on South Sepulveda Blvd under the approach for the 24s 



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2764 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

Now I have to pay for FirstClass membership here, for the purpose of adding icanfly to my RU list.

Los Angeles was where I moved to when I was a teenager who'd just been kicked out of casa (and didn't know if he was gonna end up homeless or what, therefore had to go somewhere warm  ). It's a tremendously meaningful place for me and I remember it with all the zeal and vigor I first brought to it when I was making it my chosen home. The Los Angeles Times isn't the newspaper it was back then, but back then it was an impossibly insightful, incisive, perspicuous daily masterpiece. I couldn't believe I could pick it up for 35¢ and score as much superb reading material as if I'd just dropped $100 in a bookstore - every. single. day.

African Theater from the BBC Africa Service was aired by KCRW-FM, the college-affiliated, NPR-affiliated radio station out of Santa Monica; the station also brought us Morning Becomes Eclectic   every weekday.

I was fascinated by the topography of the place - Los Angeles a place where the desert nearly meets the ocean, and the mountains meet the canyons.

It's a place that helped this boy meet manhood.

I wish I had more time to flesh out this here encomium, but for now, I just wanted to give props to icanfly for having the cajones to come out and say the truth about one of our country's majorly awesome and oft-wrongly-maligned urbs.

Hooray for Elay!!!



Pancakes are delicious.
User currently offlineicanfly From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5111 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 3):
I just wanted to give props to icanfly for having the cajones to come out and say the truth about one of our country's majorly awesome and oft-wrongly-maligned urbs

Thank you so much Airstud for sharing your very personal connection with Los Angeles. It feels great to see someone else feels the same    For years before I actually visited LA, I'd noticed nearly everyone who had been there complained about it...johnboy's comment is typical.

Then, when I actually visited for the first time, I couldn't believe those people were talking about the same city! For me it was the most magical place I'd ever been. I started this thread in the hope others who feel the same will come forward and share their love too.

One repeated complaint I hear is about the freeways. But for me, they are beautiful. Like rivers of freedom, they sweep across the plains, down to the sea and through the mountains, linking distant communities. Even more than the Statue of Liberty, they are the ultimate symbol of American liberty...they carry hundreds of thousands of people wherever they want to go, at any time of the day or night.



United: please start SYD-IAH!
User currently offlineiMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6341 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5085 times:

I have never heard a freeway described as beautiful. A mountain, a tree, a boulder, a woman are examples of beauty. Oh well, to each his own. I hate LA but then I despise all cities equally.


Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1412 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5087 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 3):

I was fascinated by the topography of the place - Los Angeles a place where the desert nearly meets the ocean, and the mountains meet the canyons.

I think it is because I grew up in a place that really doesn't have much of that (though a lot of nice man-made stuff) that I really do appreciate that more here. One thing I love about town is how (when the smog's not out) you can just see so damned far. From the Ralph's I shop at, you can see Catalina from one side and out almost to Oxnard from the other. From other local spots, you can see out to San Berdo one way, and down past Long Beach, Orange County, and to the Mountains near San Diego the other (it's slightly elevated where I live so that helps). On the East Coast, there simply aren't vistas like that.

Quoting icanfly (Reply 4):
For years before I actually visited LA, I'd noticed nearly everyone who had been there complained about it...johnboy's comment is typical.

People complain about everywhere. I'm sure there's someone who will tell you what a shithole Aspen is, or how much they can't stand Nice, or how run down Cape Town is.

When my company transferred me back out to LA, I knew what I was getting into, warts and all. But I still love it out here. You're right, it's a beautiful town and nothing like the cultural wasteland people want it to be.

One thing I also like about it is that despite the "rep" as a plastic, lily consumer nest, it's actually a pretty industrial town too. We have the nation's largest Deepwater Seaport here, some of the largest rail junctions and yards in the world, refineries all over the place, factories too, and even a good amount of Oil Drilling operations, both off-shore and on. If you're into urb-ex at all, and/or like industrial looking backdrops for your photography, this place has all of that in spades. We may not be quite the equal of Detroit in that way, but it isn't all Lawyers and Talent Agents either.

In all seriousness, I firmly believe that LA County could very easily function as it's own country if it ever had to. There really is that much going on here.

Quoting icanfly (Reply 4):

One repeated complaint I hear is about the freeways. But for me, they are beautiful. Like rivers of freedom, they sweep across the plains, down to the sea and through the mountains, linking distant communities.

I'd certainly like to see more rail mass transit here (though it is a lot better now than it has been), but yes, our freeways are a lot more useful than folks acknowledge.

Our roads are generally pretty good here too. I've noticed a lot of municipalities, especially near where I live going to white LED lighting for their street lamps lately. I hope this really catches on.



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 3014 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5056 times:

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):

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You, sir, are welcome to take my spot here in Los Angeles.

What a terrible city. One of the only good things is:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 3):

African Theater from the BBC Africa Service was aired by KCRW-FM, the college-affiliated, NPR-affiliated radio station out of Santa Monica; the station also brought us Morning Becomes Eclectic  every weekday.

My favorite radio station. That's all I listen to.



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User currently offlineRomeoBravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5040 times:

The setting are nice and some areas are no doubt very nice places to live.

As a tourist it's not really obvious what to do or where to go. It doesn't feel like a city, just a never ending sprawl of urban area. You need a car to get anywhere, the transport is appalling and it lacks pedestrian friendly areas. Roads dominate the place, you feel like an ant walking around at the mercy of cars.

I don't hate it but nothing really draws me there. It's a convenient base for the SoCal area so i'm usually in a good mood if i'm there because i know i'm not far away from much nicer areas.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15835 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5014 times:

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
After a few visits to Los Angeles, I'm convinced it's the most underrated major city in the world.

  

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
Forget the old-world classics of Paris, Rome and Venice; LA's beauty is of the 20th century kind, designed for the jet-age and the automobile and making maximum advantage of its natural surroundings and climate.

Exactly. Screw that old shit and it's "character." Make it big, make it useful, make it air conditioned, and make it with a big parking lot.

Quoting icanfly (Reply 4):
One repeated complaint I hear is about the freeways. But for me, they are beautiful. Like rivers of freedom, they sweep across the plains, down to the sea and through the mountains, linking distant communities.

Right again. And for that matter, how many movies have been made about taking the bus?

Quoting iMissPiedmont (Reply 5):
A mountain, a tree, a boulder, a woman are examples of beauty.

Mountains mostly get in the way, trees are mostly useless unless you cut it down and turn it into a table, boulders roll to inconvenient places, and women complain a lot.

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 6):
In all seriousness, I firmly believe that LA County could very easily function as it's own country if it ever had to. There really is that much going on here.

...and Orange County would like to function as their own country.

Truthfully, the whole eco-hipster BS has infected many places and LA didn't seem especially worse than anywhere else.



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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10342 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5001 times:

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
making maximum advantage of its natural surroundings and climate.

Indeed. Build a metropolis in a semi-desert, and deal with perpetual water shortages.

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
For a start, A-netters will know the approach from the air on a sunny day is breathtaking: especially the view of Downtown's skyscrapers set against the snow-capped San Gabriel Mountains.

Absolutely not. Approaching LA at night is the way to go. During the day, you see the disgusting brown soup you are about to start breathing in. At night, you just see a beautiful vast sea of lights, and the smog can pass for fog or clouds.

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
Palm trees everywhere

I thought that was awesome at first, too. Until I realized palm trees are the most useless trees in existence.

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
Some of the most opulent in the world, built in every architectural style imaginable, from Art Deco to Spanish Revival to replicas of French chateaux.

And, of course, the vast swaths of tract homes and McMansions.



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User currently offlineSmittyone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4980 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
Mountains mostly get in the way,

Interesting (to me) aside on this...

Aside from one year in the Midwest I have always lived within a short distance of either the Atlantic Ocean or the Great Lakes, which has given me a kind of geographical agoraphobia.

If I were to live somewhere other than near the sea I would probably have to live near mountains, specifically because they get in the way!


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4969 times:

Quoting johnboy (Reply 1):

Translation: tacky strip-mall on every corner.

er -- that'd Orange County..

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 7):
You, sir, are welcome to take my spot here in Los Angeles.

What a terrible city

Take his place!

Butbe warned, you may have to assume his place at the Catholic school to which he makes a daily grueling arduous trek.

Having lived on the east coast, been to every large city in America (500K or more) and 41 of the 50 states (incl Alaska & Hawaii plus Guam and PR)... there is simply no better place in the USA to live if you like a thriving and vibrant city where all things are possible. And you can handle the periodic earthquakes. It's a great party city if you're 'in the know', a great sporting city for anything to do mountain activity to those of the seas. The hottest women come here chasing film dreams (as do the guys) where you can break your neck and your lunch grow cold because you're so busy looking (that is if you're not yet accustomed). The Wilshire Corridor can fill that need of living in a Manhattan-like elegant highrise. It is the only place you can step out to let a Prius driver have it for taking up too much space by awkward parking .. and it be driven by a celebrity. You're sure to bump into your favorite porn star in a nightclub or at the beach. It is also a huge pet-owner city with dog parks everywhere including a dedicated doggy beach (ok, that's in OC too) but you can get away with it in Marina Del Rey if you know where to go. Mastering the stunning Pacific Coast highway drive on one of many perfect days with the right car can only be rivaled by a drive along the Amalfi coast.

Although, like every major city on earth, it has it's bad sections of town (you really need a car to get to the majority of them) and too many Prius drivers, there is no question it is the best place to live IMHO. And having LAX nearby is the icing on the cake. A very hard to beat combo!

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4961 times:

I lived in Los Angeles for a brief period in the mid-1980s after having attended college in northern California. Compared with the San Francisco bay area I found L.A. to be a letdown in terms of the vibrancy of its culture. I enjoyed the southern California weather but felt L.A. was somewhat soulless when compared to the bay area. Upon reflection I now realize most of my dissatisfaction with Los Angeles was a function of my unhappiness in my job. If I had to do it over again I would try to leave my job stress behind and enjoy what southern California had to offer. I think I missed out on what L.A. had in its favor and wouldn't mind having the chance to try over under different circumstances.

User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4955 times:

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 13):
Upon reflection I now realize most of my dissatisfaction with Los Angeles was a function of my unhappiness in my job. If I had to do it over again I would try to leave my job stress behind and enjoy what southern California had to offer. I think I missed out on what L.A. had in its favor and wouldn't mind having the chance to try over under different circumstances.

An admirable admission.

And I find a majority of the LA haters have similar baggage that they'd rather omit... and focus on complaining.

But you are indeed correct on this..

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 13):
but felt L.A. was somewhat soulless when compared to the bay area

If you are floundering, this is will be a front and center & accurate observation. But NYC is the same exact way, you must be connected in some way to avoid that trap. The Bay Area is unique in that aspect, it seems to offer community in a way that actually reaches or calls out to the person that needs it most - any time, all the time. LA is somewhat souless due to the competitive pressures 'we place upon one another' in unspoken competition. Your insecurities must be kept in check to survive here or it will overwhelm you and send you packing.

Visitors having a bad spell, well all I can say to that is... you most likely have bad spells everywhere you go or resort to better planning skills.

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineSmittyone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4940 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 12):
Having lived on the east coast, been to every large city in America (500K or more) and 41 of the 50 states (incl Alaska & Hawaii plus Guam and PR)... there is simply no better place in the USA to live if you like a thriving and vibrant city where all things are possible.

Is the air quality as big a deal as it's made out to be? I only visited LA one time (by sea) and I don't remember it.


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1936 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4920 times:

I'm a cityboy through and through, but my thoughts about LA? Meh...

I don't have any reason to hate it, but I don't have any reason to love it either. If I had one complaint it's that the sprawl is out of hand. I prefer to see cities build up rather than build out. Also, the pollution there is pretty nasty, but it's not going to stop me from going there.

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 8):
I don't hate it but nothing really draws me there. It's a convenient base for the SoCal area so i'm usually in a good mood if i'm there because i know i'm not far away from much nicer areas.

   My thoughts exactly.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
how many movies have been made about taking the bus?

Speed  
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
trees are mostly useless unless you cut it down and turn it into a table
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
women complain a lot

Yeah! Who needs breathable air or reproduction, anyway?

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 6):
In all seriousness, I firmly believe that LA County could very easily function as it's own country if it ever had to. There really is that much going on here.

What about "going on" would make it a successful country? The only way LA would ever survive as a country is if they became a free trade zone. I honestly can't think of any other way.



Flying refined.
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4921 times:

Quoting Smittyone (Reply 15):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 12):
Having lived on the east coast, been to every large city in America (500K or more) and 41 of the 50 states (incl Alaska & Hawaii plus Guam and PR)... there is simply no better place in the USA to live if you like a thriving and vibrant city where all things are possible.

Is the air quality as big a deal as it's made out to be? I only visited LA one time (by sea) and I don't remember it.

yes and no...depending on where you live.

If you live in the San Fernando, La Cresenta or San Gabriel Valleys and about 5-7 miles in from the Orange County shoreline... on a bad smoggy day, you're on the crappy end of business. It's really gonna suck.

Hollywood from about La Brea Av (running north/south) all the way down to Ladera Heights (just northeast of LAX).. it's gonna suck, then the n/s delineation line moves east towards the Western avenue (n/s divide) because all communities along the shoreline about 5-10 miles in - receive a constant off shore breeze keeping all that pollution at a distance (and blowing all our pollution eastward trapping it up against the eastern range of mountains. So looking at a map, Malibu heading down to Pacific Palisades, Brentwood, Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, West LA (to La Brea) Marina Del Rey, most of Culver City, LAX, all Beach Cities (Manhattan, Hermosa and Reodndo) are spared of smog almost entirely. When we get the rare Santa Ana winds (Oct, Nov thru now Apr) also known as on shore winds, the flow comes from the east or mountain areas - bringing a good deal of the inland smog to coastal areas.

But even then, on it's worse day... it' never as bad in the smog-free areas as it normally is in the east basin regions I mentioned above.

The Valley areas above are just horrific on smoggy days, it gets trapped with the mountains serving as a huge wall boxing in smog with little wind to disperse it. Add some serious heat to it and it becomes unbearable.. but that's where the super cheap rent is located and now you know the reason why. I hope you get the picture.

Many visitors totally confuse the Marine layer (low cloud cover from the Pacific) as smog because they get up in sunny Hollywood or some inner city region - head to the beach and become crestfallen because there's no sun and the sky is grey.

[Edited 2013-04-11 10:10:32]


"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10342 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4914 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 17):
Many visitors totally confuse the Marine layer (low cloud cover from the Pacific) as smog because they get up in sunny Hollywood or some inner city region - head to the beach and become crestfallen because there's no sun and the sky is grey.

Marine layer is white or gray. Smog has a distinct brownish tint.  

By the way, regarding my previous post, I actually live in the LA area, and although there's plenty to dislike, the weather near the coast (where I live) makes up for just about all of it.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4908 times:

I lived there for 15 years. I go back because I have family & friends there.

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
the approach from the air on a sunny day is breathtaking: especially the view of Downtown's skyscrapers set against the snow-capped San Gabriel Mountains.



Only a few days out of the year do you get that experience. It's best just minutes after the rain storm ends which dumps tons of snow on the mountains. Then the next day it's back to the brown, hazy smog.

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
And then there are the homes! Some of the most opulent in the world, built in every architectural style imaginable, from Art Deco to Spanish Revival to replicas of French chateaux.



That I can agree with!
I'm a fan of the mid-20th century era homes, particularly the Joseph Eichler homes often found in Granada Hills, Thousand Oaks and Orange. Lot's of other nice ranch style homes of this era in the Hastings Ranch area of Pasadena, Ladera Heights and in Palos Verdes.



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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 2):
I also couldn't believe how cold the water was in September when I was there last! I guess I thought of the California coast to be too much like Hawaii...


The current comes from Alaska. The waters off the coast of California is not tropical - hence why they never get hurricanes.

Quoting iMissPiedmont (Reply 5):
I have never heard a freeway described as beautiful.


There are a few. I like I-210 between Pasadena and San Fernando.
Also the I-280 between South San Francisco to San Jose is a beautiful freeway too. That's up in the Bay Area.

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 8):
Roads dominate the place, you feel like an ant walking around at the mercy of cars.


Only homeless people walk in LA.
Even in the song 'Walking In LA' says; "only a nobody walks in LA".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3CF7xwoglU

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
Exactly. Screw that old shit and it's "character." Make it big, make it useful, make it air conditioned, and make it with a big parking lot.



  
I've already seen most of Europe. It feels more like an extravagant school feild trip.
The old world charm of Europe would be more appealing if it wasn't so expensive and full of cigarette smoking, anti-American socialist.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 10):
I thought that was awesome at first, too. Until I realized palm trees are the most useless trees in existence.


  

Quoting BN747 (Reply 12):
er -- that'd Orange County..


...and San Fernando Valley, San Gabriel Valley, West Covina, Pomona as well as Torrance, Carson, Lomita, Manhattan Beach, Cerritos, Lakewood and all other south adjacent cities which are all in Los Angeles county.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26151 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4907 times:

Having lived around the globe I opted to make Los Angeles my primary home over 20-years ago.

Frankly, its probably one of the best balanced places I have ever experienced.

Yes its huge - Los Angeles County alone has 88 individual municipalities without even getting into more distant areas like Orange County.

However its exactly this vastness that creates such incredible diversity in living styles. Each city and even sub section of the 88 cities has its own style and flavor driven by geography, economics and types of people and industry.

One can chose to pursue such radically different type of life styles in a single place is pretty unique. For example you can have an entirely flip flop and shorts lifestyle in many beach communities, to high rise luxury living, to ranch style homes, to desert and mountain living, or little town America suburbs all within a few miles of each other.

The geography combined with weather also provide for an incredible amount of outdoor activities. Again from the beach to hiking the many great canyon trails, to vast outdoor parks, to desert camping, or mountain skiing.

And yes economically the area is as diverse also. With Americas largest port, one of the largest airports, huge manufacturing base, large petro chemical industry, aerospace and technology, to heart of the worlds entertainment industry you will also find yourself surrounded by very diverse populace. LA is far from being a single industry town like many other places.

Speaking of population of the 18 million or so folks on broader Los Angeles, according to census there were 224 individual languages identified - this creates a very diverse social base with positive side benefits in things like the local food scene, arts, entertainment, etc.

Oh and yes, there weather is indeed fanstastic. Rarely too hot, and very rare below anything I would term "mild".

  

East or West Home is Best !



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4906 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 18):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 17):
Many visitors totally confuse the Marine layer (low cloud cover from the Pacific) as smog because they get up in sunny Hollywood or some inner city region - head to the beach and become crestfallen because there's no sun and the sky is grey.

Marine layer is white or gray. Smog has a distinct brownish tint.

I know that.

You know that

Now they need to print that in the LA Visitors Guides and publish it on websites... you give visitors too much credit in thinking they're that smart. You have no idea how many times I've heard human beings calling marine layer ..smog!

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10342 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4900 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 21):
I know that.

You know that

Now they need to print that in the LA Visitors Guides and publish it on websites... you give visitors too much credit in thinking they're that smart. You have no idea how many times I've heard human beings calling marine layer ..smog!

Oh, I know. I was just posting it for the benefit of anyone else reading.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):

I like that you posted the Brady's house!   

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
Only a few days out of the year do you get that experience.

It's quite a bit more than that now. You can see the mountains just about the whole winter (assuming it's not cloudy). They're not always snow-capped (not too much of that this year), but the air is getting cleaner, slowly.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4877 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 22):
I like that you posted the Brady's house!



That is the quintessential southern California house.  
I know I like to knock Los Angeles a lot but there are some good things about the place. I think LA has the best drivers as long as it's not raining.
I learned to drive there back when you could get a driver's license at age 16, schools had money for cars and driver's ed was required for graduation. I'm sure that's all been replaced by poetry and green studies courses now.

LA has a great selection of Mexican food all throughout, Persian food in West LA and the world's only Thaitown.
I also like the auto-wrecking yards (junk yards) in SoCal.
Since cars is such an integral part of SoCal life, there are plenty of wrecking yards with a great selection of car parts for very cheap.

Vikkyvik, you may appreciate this but Los Angeles has to have the world's cheapest musical instruments!
Thanks to all those bands that fail and have addictions to support, there is a glut of musical instruments and recording gear there.
In most places I travel, I like to check out the local music stores just to see their selection and prices. The guitar stores on Sunset near Guitar Center have an amazing selection of new and vintage guitars, basses, amps, analog & digital synthesizers, drums, effects pedals, percussion, etc.
The prices are bargain basement compared to other cities in the US and throughout the world. On my next trip, I'll be bringing back some gear for my friends here in Bangkok that are in bands. The cost for instruments here is criminal!
Fisher Price grade guitars go for about $500 here.   

I like the higher speed limits and longer straightaways on the freeways, access to the mountains in the winter and the beaches in the summer.



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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3095 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4863 times:

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
I've noticed many A-netters are based in or have visited LA, so I thought this post would be the ideal place to celebrate this remarkable city.

To Los Angeles!

Thank you for your fine comments!LA and California,IMHO,is overall,arguably,the most beautiful place on the planet!

But then,there are the politicians who trashed our state with incompetence,ultra liberal politics especially with social and welfare programs with illegal immigration and taxes,taxes and more taxes



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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10342 posts, RR: 26
Reply 25, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4926 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 23):
I think LA has the best drivers as long as it's not raining.

  

Not a chance in hell. I despise driving on the freeways here, because someone manages to piss me off every mile.

A note to anyone driving in greater LA: please, PLEASE, do not park yourself in the left lane, going slower than the cars on your right, and refuse to move over and allow people to pass! Every time I'm on the freeway, I see people enter the freeway, and immediately move 3 lanes over to the left lane, and then just sit there. For no freaking reason! And then they don't move until their exit is coming up!!!!

Thankfully I don't have to use freeways to get to work every day...

Quoting Superfly (Reply 23):
Vikkyvik, you may appreciate this but Los Angeles has to have the world's cheapest musical instruments!

That's what Craigslist is for.  



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 26, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4906 times:

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 24):
But then,there are the politicians who trashed our state with incompetence,ultra liberal politics especially with social and welfare programs with illegal immigration and taxes,taxes and more taxes


  
California politics has gone to hell in a hand-basket.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 25):
A note to anyone driving in greater LA: please, PLEASE, do not park yourself in the left lane


That must be a new thing because that is how San Francisco drivers behave.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 25):
That's what Craigslist is for.


???   
Craigslist is totally useless when dealing with heavy musical instruments that cost lot$ of money to be shipped. I like scoring finds that aren't listed on the Internet.
Craigslist is for local purchases of heavy and large items, 'hooking up' and getting rid of that dog that craps all over the floor.

[Edited 2013-04-11 13:26:57]


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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10342 posts, RR: 26
Reply 27, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4917 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 26):
Craigslist is for local purchases of heavy and large items, 'hooking up' and getting rid of that dog that craps all over the floor.

Don't know what you're talking about. List of instruments I've purchased on Craigslist:

6 guitars
1 bass
1 keyboard
2 guitar amps
1 bass amp

If it's bulky or heavy to move, rent a U-Haul. I only shop locally on Craigslist.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 28, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4903 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 27):
I only shop locally on Craigslist.

Which is useless if you're in another country.



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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10342 posts, RR: 26
Reply 29, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4890 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 27):
I only shop locally on Craigslist.

Which is useless if you're in another country.

OK, but you said you were bringing back instruments for friends of yours. No reason you can't purchase them on Craigslist and do that.

Anyway, point of my saying that in the first place is that I don't generally go to music shops. I shop for instruments on Craigslist.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 30, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4880 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 29):
No reason you can't purchase them on Craigslist and do that.

It's the shipping cost that will kill you. Many of those private sellers will not even bother shipping overseas.



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User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2302 posts, RR: 7
Reply 31, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4869 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
Only homeless people walk in LA.
Even in the song 'Walking In LA' says; "only a nobody walks in LA".

Yeah, well, if I can't walk in a city, it's enough for me to hate it.

LA's the major city I'd least like to live in, at least in the US. You can't walk AND the traffic's bad. Maybe Mumbai (just an example) is worse.

Also, I think Rome and Paris are way overrated. Venice is not much better, but it's "special".


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 32, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4857 times:

Quoting icanfly (Reply 4):
they carry hundreds of thousands of people wherever they want to go, at any time of the day or night.

Is there a different freeway system to the one I end up parked on for seemingly hours ?

LA is an endless urban sprawl , every main road lined with fast food outlets and convenience stores.
Immigration staff at LAX going all out for the miserable git of the year award and a coastal climate not half as good as they would like to make out.
The view on approach is nothing special, a few sky scrapers in the distance, and lots of bungalows.

LA wouldn't make it onto my US top 10, let alone the World. I would go so far as to say its the most over rated US city.


User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1724 posts, RR: 2
Reply 33, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4832 times:

Yes I praise Los Angeles also.

Good Pacific gateway to America.

Very much fun things do and go. Lot of good shopping, entertainment and eating. Overall quite clean compared to US Eastern cities.

Many many nice individual communities - from Brentwood, Beverly Hills, Marina Del Rey, Pasadena, beach community like Manhattan or Redondo, Long Beach, Orange County, Santa Barbara, and many many more interesting and nice places.

Yes big, almost like its own country but it have many excellent highways. Very easy to navigate with plenty of roads and good signs.

And weather is truly fantastic. Not too much heat, zero humidity, and very rare to feel cold either.

I visit and see friends when I can.


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 3014 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4830 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 12):
Butbe warned, you may have to assume his place at the Catholic school to which he makes a daily grueling arduous trek.

Indeed!

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 25):
A note to anyone driving in greater LA: please, PLEASE, do not park yourself in the left lane, going slower than the cars on your right, and refuse to move over and allow people to pass! Every time I'm on the freeway, I see people enter the freeway, and immediately move 3 lanes over to the left lane, and then just sit there. For no freaking reason! And then they don't move until their exit is coming up!!!!

Hear, hear. I can't stand this.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 25):

Thankfully I don't have to use freeways to get to work every day...

I do...   



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User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1582 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4785 times:

Quoting iMissPiedmont (Reply 5):


I have never heard a freeway described as beautiful. A mountain, a tree, a boulder, a woman are examples of beauty. Oh well, to each his own. I hate LA but then I despise all cities equally.

I think they look beautiful when you look down upon them from above  .

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
Right again. And for that matter, how many movies have been made about taking the bus?

Oh but dont you remember Speed, with a young Keanu Reeves and Sandra Bullock. And hey, it fits perfectly in this thread cause it was shot on an LA freeway and the bus ends up at LAX  .


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26151 posts, RR: 50
Reply 36, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4666 times:

A couple points.

With LA having so many distinct sections, one can very easily spend your entire daily life in a single area and not need to venture far. I have plenty of friends that live their lives the the South Bay, or Westside, or parts of the Valley and rarely need to go beyond.

Which brings me to my other comment. For those that complain about traffic, it goes back to my first point. Yes LA County is huge - almost 5,000 sq miles. So why is it people torture themselves to drive from one end to the other?
Be smart, try to live and work within same general idea. Commuting 20, 50 or 100 miles per day is not fun anywhere, be it Dallas, South Florida, Chicago, etc so it wont be any different in LA.



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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10342 posts, RR: 26
Reply 37, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4630 times:

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 35):
and the bus ends up at LAX

On, if I remember correctly, some backup runway or other.

Still have yet to find said backup runway.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 36):
So why is it people torture themselves to drive from one end to the other?

I have no idea. I have some coworkers who commute from Palmdale.....to TORRANCE.



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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6924 posts, RR: 34
Reply 38, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4628 times:

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
I'm convinced it's the most underrated major city in the world. (

Your entire description is about a Los Angeles that hasn't existed in reality for many decades.


User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3877 posts, RR: 14
Reply 39, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4623 times:

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
orget the old-world classics of Paris, Rome and Venice; LA's beauty is of the 20th century kind, designed for the jet-age and the automobile and making maximum advantage of its natural surroundings and climate. Wide, open boulevards. Winding, narrow mountain roads. Palm trees everywhere, sometimes in the most unlikely places.

It was only designed for the automobile because the car companies bought up the different municipal streetcar lines that served a vast portion of the city, and then dismantled them. L.A.'s current municipal rail system mirrors many of these earlier lines that were dismantled.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 10):
Indeed. Build a metropolis in a semi-desert, and deal with perpetual water shortages.

And start wars over water, too!

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 32):
LA wouldn't make it onto my US top 10, let alone the World. I would go so far as to say its the most over rated US city

That's because you don't know it's history. I am biased, having written my undergraduate thesis on California history (with a focus on Los Angeles). L.A. history is fascinating and wildly entertaining (lots of scandals and corruption), because there is nothing about that city that was preordained based on geography--it's existence as the U.S.' second largest metropolitan area is solely due the efforts of its citizens.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 40, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4625 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 36):
try to live and work within same general idea.



Many people would love to. The problem is that their job may change and job location may change. Housing near their job my be too expensive. There are so many factors that lead to people being stuck in traffic. Most commuters do not want to be stuck in traffic but it's unavoidable for some.
Also, many here are exaggerating the traffic in Los Angeles. Many cities have traffic and when I visit LA, I manage to avoid traffic most of the time.

Quoting slider (Reply 38):
Your entire description is about a Los Angeles that hasn't existed in reality for many decades.

  



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26151 posts, RR: 50
Reply 41, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 40):
Many people would love to. The problem is that their job may change and job location may change. Housing near their job my be too expensive. There are so many factors that lead to people being stuck in traffic. Most commuters do not want to be stuck in traffic but it's unavoidable for some.

But its still ultimately peoples choice as to where they live, or where they accept work.

Those that want the big cheap house in Palmdale, then along with it comes a long commute. So don't complain.

At the end of the day people need to make compromises, but cant blame society for their circumstances.
Basically either live more modestly, and or pick the job which matches your housing if traffic is something you cant deal with.
One can work in Beverly Hills, but still live rather cheaply only a few miles away.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 40):
Also, many here are exaggerating the traffic in Los Angeles. Many cities have traffic and when I visit LA, I manage to avoid traffic most of the time.

  

With some local knowledge particularly of side streets, I would say I rarely find myself stuck, or stressed out with traffic.



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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10342 posts, RR: 26
Reply 42, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 41):
With some local knowledge particularly of side streets, I would say I rarely find myself stuck, or stressed out with traffic.

I find myself stuck, but not stressed out. Don't see the point of getting stressed out about traffic. It's there, you're going to sit in it, and getting pissed off ain't gonna help anything.

But yeah, I've hit just as bad traffic in the Boston area. People just tend to drive shorter distances there.



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 3014 posts, RR: 1
Reply 43, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4572 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 36):
ich brings me to my other comment. For those that complain about traffic, it goes back to my first point. Yes LA County is huge - almost 5,000 sq miles. So why is it people torture themselves to drive from one end to the other?

In an ideal world, sure. But we don't live in an ideal world, and for a myriad of reasons this won't work for everyone.



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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6934 posts, RR: 9
Reply 44, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4559 times:

I can't wait to go back to LA in 2 months for grad school. I missed it a lot over the last few years. NYC can suck it  


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User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1412 posts, RR: 3
Reply 45, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4538 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 25):

Not a chance in hell. I despise driving on the freeways here, because someone manages to piss me off every mile.

Really? That's kind of weird. I find that the freeways are usually better than a lot the surface roads, especially here, where it's one of the few areas where there isn't a freeway a block off. Yesterday, for example, coming down the hill to 110 took about 20 minutes longer than normal just because Anahiem was closed, with a tail back all the way up Palos Verdes East to Western. I U-turned outta there and back-hauled up to 1st & Gaffey, but it was still a pain...

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 37):
I have no idea. I have some coworkers who commute from Palmdale.....to TORRANCE.

Yeah seriously, at that point, they cannot be saving money. They better love living in Palmdale (since I guess someone has to) and working in Torrance. I think there are flights shorter than that.

Quoting us330 (Reply 39):
That's because you don't know it's history. I am biased, having written my undergraduate thesis on California history (with a focus on Los Angeles). L.A. history is fascinating and wildly entertaining (lots of scandals and corruption), because there is nothing about that city that was preordained based on geography--it's existence as the U.S.' second largest metropolitan area is solely due the efforts of its citizens.

I pretty much agree with that. The deepwater seaport at Long Beach is a natural gathering point, though you'd think that would have built up south central as opposed to actual Los Angeles... But yes, for the most part, this place is here because people wanted it to be, and for little other reason.

But it's not the only one like that! Dallas (Official City Motto: Seriously, where did all this stuff come from?), is much the same. While the rail yards helped a lot there, that's Ft Worth, thirty miles away. Wouldn't have made sense to just plop another whole town thirty miles east of that.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 40):
Also, many here are exaggerating the traffic in Los Angeles. Many cities have traffic and when I visit LA, I manage to avoid traffic most of the time.

I agree. It can get sticky sometimes, but even when bad, it's still not like trying to go from Rockville to Tyson's Corner at anytime between PM3 & PM8...

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 42):

But yeah, I've hit just as bad traffic in the Boston area. People just tend to drive shorter distances there.

Yup. It's rough a lot back east, and folks still take ridiculous commutes there too. When I worked and lived in DC, it was very common for people to commute all the way in from Fredneck & Hagerstown everyday, with trips like southern Pennsylvania being not unheard of.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 44):
I can't wait to go back to LA in 2 months for grad school. I missed it a lot over the last few years. NYC can suck it

It sure is great being here, no doubt. But it's not like NYC is some kind of hell either. That's another place I always liked...



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User currently offlineL0VE2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4534 times:

Just like any other city, there's good and not so good places in LA, but overall it's not too bad in my opinion. I have relatives living there and they really like it and have no plans to move.


Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
For a start, A-netters will know the approach from the air on a sunny day is breathtaking: especially the view of Downtown's skyscrapers set against the snow-capped San Gabriel Mountains. Looking out at the sprawling metropolis below, crisscrossed with more freeways than some entire countries have, it thrills me to think it's also home to the same number of people as some countries, like Australia.

   I love flying in n out of LAX, looking down on the world's most spread-out city is just awesome, in fact I'm thinking to fly SAN-SFO just to enjoy LA from cruising altitude! 
.


Quoting NZ107 (Reply 2):
They do have one good thing though - the In-N-Out on South Sepulveda Blvd under the approach for the 24s

   It's one of the good things LA has to offer, you can't beat watching the heavies land while enjoying an In-N-Out burger.


Quoting iMissPiedmont (Reply 5):
I have never heard a freeway described as beautiful. A mountain, a tree, a boulder, a woman are examples of beauty. Oh well, to each his own. I hate LA but then I despise all cities equally.

If it's not congested, most folks who like cars would describe the freeways as beautiful, a different kinda beauty than a mountain or a tree of course. Driving on the freeway is far more enjoyable & economical than in the city.


User currently offlineicanfly From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4500 times:

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 46):
most folks who like cars would describe the freeways as beautiful, a different kinda beauty than a mountain or a tree of course.

Yes, exactly, that's how I feel. It's not the look of concrete as such but the exhilaration of being on them and covering long distances effortlessly.

In February, I took a taxi from LAX to Old Town Pasadena on a Sunday afternoon on the I-105 and I-110. The trip was around 30 miles. I expected to be sitting in the taxi for at least an hour, but to my surprise I arrived in only 25 minutes! Amazing. And it was scenic too - especially the Arroyo Secco Parkway as it climbs up through the foothills. Where I live (Melbourne, Australia), a trip like that would be much longer and more tedious with at least 40 traffic lights - alas, we lack a proper freeway network like LA's.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15835 posts, RR: 27
Reply 48, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4484 times:

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 46):
If it's not congested, most folks who like cars would describe the freeways as beautiful, a different kinda beauty than a mountain or a tree of course.

Yeah. The useful kind.



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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6934 posts, RR: 9
Reply 49, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4485 times:

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 45):
sure is great being here, no doubt. But it's not like NYC is some kind of hell either. That's another place I always liked...

I beg the differ. NYC is definitely hell.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 50, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4476 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 41):
But its still ultimately peoples choice as to where they live


Not necessarily. You don't know everyone's circumstances that may require them to live where they live.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 41):
or where they accept work.



Often times that is not an option, especially today when jobs are harder to find.
People may also have a harder time trying to sale their house and can't move so easily. Also there is no point in up-rooting your children from their schools where they're involved with their school/sports/academics, parents & teachers already have established good relations with their teachers and administrators and friends. No point sacrificing all of that just to shave off 30 minutes off your commute to & from work from a job that could end or relocate within a year or two.
Sometimes is just best to stay put.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 41):
Those that want the big cheap house in Palmdale, then along with it comes a long commute. So don't complain.

At the end of the day people need to make compromises, but cant blame society for their circumstances.



Who says they're complaining? I've never heard commuters blaming society about traffic. It's mainly the environmentalist and 'hip' intellectuals in the big city that sit around worrying about these sort of things.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 42):
Don't see the point of getting stressed out about traffic. It's there, you're going to sit in it, and getting pissed off ain't gonna help anything.


Agreed. If you're in a comfortable car and have a good set of tunes, traffic shouldn't be stressful at all.

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 45):
I find that the freeways are usually better than a lot the surface roads


  
Easier to avoid the cops too. Small municipalities often have police that are bored and just looking for someone to pull over. On the freeway, as long as you're not going too much over the speed limit, the CHP wont bother you.

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 45):
I agree. It can get sticky sometimes, but even when bad, it's still not like trying to go from Rockville to Tyson's Corner at anytime between PM3 & PM8...


The worst traffic I've ever seen was in the northern Virginia suburbs of Washington D.C.
Suburban sprawl hell with old narrow country roads as the infrastructure to support millions of people. I remember sitting at a red light for 45 minutes.

Quoting icanfly (Reply 47):
In February, I took a taxi from LAX to Old Town Pasadena



WHAT?!?!?!  Wow!
That must have cost you a fortune!
It's funny how Old Town Pasadena is now a tourist attraction. Prior to the 1987 Whittier/Narrows earthquake, that area was the skid row of Pasadena. That is where all the hookers and homeless people congregated. Pawn shops, cheap liquor stores, porn shops, flop-houses and small theaters where you go & wank off.
Many of those old brick, turn of the century buildings didn't survive the earthquake. Many were torn down and in came Barnes & Nobles opening up shop 3 years later in 1990. Then upscale boutique shops and then came Starbucks. By 1991 onwards it became a new, hip & trendy place to hang out. "Old Town" Pasadena is really 'new town' Pasadena because it replaced the real 'Old Town' Pasadena.

Quoting icanfly (Reply 47):
especially the Arroyo Secco Parkway as it climbs up through the foothills.


That's the Pasadena freeway. It was build during the Great Depression and was intentionally made with lots of curves so it would take longer to build and provide more work.
That's actually not the foothills. Those are the Monterrey Hills that separate Los Angeles from the San Gabriel Valley.



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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10342 posts, RR: 26
Reply 51, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4462 times:

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 46):
It's one of the good things LA has to offer, you can't beat watching the heavies land while enjoying an In-N-Out burger.

That's where I went after work today (minus the burger, because I'm trying to eat somewhat healthy...).

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 45):

Really? That's kind of weird. I find that the freeways are usually better than a lot the surface roads, especially here, where it's one of the few areas where there isn't a freeway a block off. Yesterday, for example, coming down the hill to 110 took about 20 minutes longer than normal just because Anahiem was closed, with a tail back all the way up Palos Verdes East to Western. I U-turned outta there and back-hauled up to 1st & Gaffey, but it was still a pain...

There are areas with surface streets that I abhor. Mid-city and the West Side anywhere near Wilshire are terrible. Santa Monica near the beach - terrible. PCH through the Beach Cities at rush hour - terrible. And I never - NEVER - take Western Ave. home from work, as it's so slow that they may as well have valet parking and let you get out and grab some dinner while you wait. But San Pedro, Torrance, PV, most of the South Bay minus a few streets - no issue with those. And I'll even take surface streets about halfway to my girlfriend's place in Whittier, because it takes about the same time but keeps me more awake.

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 45):
They better love living in Palmdale (since I guess someone has to)

No, I'm pretty sure no one does. I always feel bad for the people who work at Lockheed Skunk Works. Awesome freaking job in a terrible freaking place.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 50):
That's the Pasadena freeway. It was build during the Great Depression and was intentionally made with lots of curves so it would take longer to build and provide more work.

....and is great fun to drive on when there's not much traffic.



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User currently offlineicanfly From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4458 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 50):
That must have cost you a fortune!

$83. I was tired after the long flight from SYD and just wanted the quickest option. But, I was so thrilled with the ride (as described above) I gave the driver a $100 bill and asked him to keep the change! In hindsight I realize a 20% tip was probably a bit excessive   

Quoting Superfly (Reply 50):
It's funny how Old Town Pasadena is now a tourist attraction.

I was attending a professional event at the Pasadena Convention Center. Overall I found it a pleasant city with a few interesting things to see and a nice dining and shopping scene, but a bit boring.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 50):
That's actually not the foothills. Those are the Monterrey Hills that separate Los Angeles from the San Gabriel Valley.

Thanks, I'm always keen to brush up on my LA topography knowledge.



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User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1412 posts, RR: 3
Reply 53, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4443 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 50):

  
Easier to avoid the cops too. Small municipalities often have police that are bored and just looking for someone to pull over. On the freeway, as long as you're not going too much over the speed limit, the CHP wont bother you.

Good point. Didn't think of that, but that's totally true.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 51):
PCH through the Beach Cities at rush hour - terrible. And I never - NEVER - take Western Ave. home from work, as it's so slow that they may as well have valet parking and let you get out and grab some dinner while you wait.

I actually do come home that way, a lot. But then again, I get out of work typically around AM3 to AM5, so it's usually a nice drive.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 51):
But San Pedro, Torrance, PV, most of the South Bay minus a few streets - no issue with those.

Mostly same here. But again, when things get slow, they do so with abandon! What really chaps ass is when some yokel decides to ride their brake all the way down the freakin hill, usually under the speed limit. I think this is even worse than that thing you were talking about with the slow left-laners. At least you can eventually pass those! But with all these switchbacks and the inability to pass, this one is just rotten. And it's all the worse since these roads are actually great fun to drive, when I don't have to ride break or gear all the way down to 20mph for thirty minutes.



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3876 posts, RR: 1
Reply 54, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4451 times:

San Fernando valley   

http://www.theleakywiki.com/component/k2/item/617.html

http://www.theleakywiki.com/media/k2/items/cache/b84c5756f6a889fa332015e4458021f9_XL.jpg

[Edited 2013-04-12 22:02:09]


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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 55, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4430 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 38):
Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
I'm convinced it's the most underrated major city in the world. (

Your entire description is about a Los Angeles that hasn't existed in reality for many decades.

And the version you speak of 'the Leave it to Beaver' golden age ... was a complete fallacy. Wasn't real at all.
The city was overtly corrupt from the '70s as far back as you want to go. It was great for many as long as
the minorities (Asians, Latinos & Blacks) knew their place and stayed there except to work.

I've been coming to LA since the early 1980s.. I was basically coming here for party weekends - jet in/jet out. I became friends with a club owner from that era..who still owns several clubs in the area - which tells me this guy has his finger on the nightlife magic. He's made a mint! But I've seen the city evolve from the 1980s til now, it is the longest place I've every lived in my life - by selection after visiting many others, if I had to leave it would be to Miami or San Francisco. Hawaii is too clastrophopic (Island fever).. but I'd most likely choose the south of Mexico if push came to shove over MIA or SFO.

This great city has writer communities..actual enclaves where writers have made it their own.
Artistic communities
Music communites - the rocker, jazz, beat producing, rapper crowd to the upscale Blue Ribbon Chandler crowd.
Communities like Venice, where the geekiest of the geeks can live on his terms and no one will judge him/her.
The fat hairy outta shape dude fits in as easily as the skinny hot blond... no one judges. I've never seen such
an eclectic mix and people leaving other to be what they wish and actually engaging them in the spirit of community - a San Francisco-like quality. San Francisco is Venice on steroid with more pleasing aesthetics (also on steroids).
The Venice Vibe exist in no other area of South California.
The film Comunity mainly extends from Malibu spreading out to the Hollywood Hills and Beverly Hills and the Malibu vibe is entirely different from the Hollywood Hills vibe which is different from the BH vibe.
The Beach/Surfer vibes depend on the city.. but the majority are very much on the same level.
The ethnic Russian, Armenia, Korean, Vietnamese, etc communities are interesting encounters in themselves.
There is no one black community, there are many different ones and quite different in there vibes - upscale and urban.
The Latino communities are just as varying.
Then there's the fast growing downtown LA area - like the Phoenix rising from a dead oversized criminal processing enclave to a seriously contentious pleasant metropolis that is fast approaching the day that it will never sleep as a new generation takes over.


..then there is everything else in between, the stripmall communities, the cookie-cutter suburbs.

Los Angeles is better than it's ever been. The super-strict Auto Emissions regulations have worked .. this place is nothing like it was in the 1970s and 80s.

But Political Corruption is just as rampant as it was in the 1920s and 30s. But that's gonna be there as long as humans and money are in the mix .. anyone thinking there's a cure is fooling themselves.

Quoting us330 (Reply 39):
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 32):
LA wouldn't make it onto my US top 10, let alone the World. I would go so far as to say its the most over rated US city

That's because you don't know it's history. I am biased, having written my undergraduate thesis on California history (with a focus on Los Angeles). L.A. history is fascinating and wildly entertaining (lots of scandals and corruption), because there is nothing about that city that was preordained based on geography--it's existence as the U.S.' second largest metropolitan area is solely due the efforts of its citizens.

Like every city, Los Angeles is not for everyone, no more than Hamburg or Cairo or Bejing .. is not for everyone. But large numbers of people reside in each one, giving it character and flavor.

I wouldn't be caught dead living in Idaho or North Dakota ... and there are scores of people who live there saying the every same. No one shoe fits all.

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 56, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4428 times:

Quoting icanfly (Reply 52):
$83. I was tired after the long flight from SYD and just wanted the quickest option. But, I was so thrilled with the ride (as described above) I gave the driver a $100 bill and asked him to keep the change! In hindsight I realize a 20% tip was probably a bit excessive


That taxi driver will always remember you.  
Quoting icanfly (Reply 52):
Overall I found it a pleasant city with a few interesting things to see and a nice dining and shopping scene, but a bit boring.


That is where I lived my teenage years and went to high school there. It's a fun city if you know people there but otherwise, it is boring overall.

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 53):
Good point. Didn't think of that, but that's totally true.


That is why I like freeways.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 54):
Good point. Didn't think of that, but that's totally true.


I starred in a short romance flick my first year at CSUN....



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3876 posts, RR: 1
Reply 57, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

I like driving on Mulholland Drive from the Santa Monica mountains to the Hollywood hills.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 56):

I thought I've seen your work. Where you in Black Poles In Dark Holes 1 & 2? 

[Edited 2013-04-12 23:19:06]


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 58, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4384 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 51):
....and is great fun to drive on when there's not much traffic.

Come to think of it, there is hardly ever any traffic on the Pasadena freeway.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 57):
I like driving on Mulholland Drive from the Santa Monica mountains to the Hollywood hills.

That is another nice drive.
Another great drive is on Angeles Crest Highway, then up to Mount Wilson. It's lots of fun in the winter when there is tons of snow.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 57):
I thought I've seen your work. Where you in Black Poles In Dark Holes 1 & 2?

I might have been. It's been many years ago now.



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User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1412 posts, RR: 3
Reply 59, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4379 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 58):
That is another nice drive.
Another great drive is on Angeles Crest Highway, then up to Mount Wilson. It's lots of fun in the winter when there is tons of snow.

That is one of my all time favs! Except for last summer when I faded the shit out of my brakes on the way down, lol. I had to wait at that Ralph's Fresh Fare over by 134 for about an hour to cool them down.

I keep thinking one of these times, I'm going to take that left turn before you get to the top, head north and see how far into the mountains that goes.

Mt Wilson is also great hiking most days too. And all those Observatory bldgs are pretty neat. I never realized how old that stuff was until I actually read the wall exhibits in that little building with the model in it.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 60, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4342 times:

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 59):
I had to wait at that Ralph's Fresh Fare over by 134 for about an hour to cool them down.


I had an alternator go out on that road once. Imagine having the power brakes fail and have to manually use the brakes on a 5,200 pound car with no power steering. It was all downhill for about 10 miles.

The most fun I had up there was ditching class in high school and going up in my friends Ford Ranger and Chevrolette Cheyenne. We would shovel snow in to the back and bring it back to school in time for when school got out. Then have a huge snowball fight in the school parking lot. One time we had 4 trucks go up one day and we had a massive snowball fight.
That was one fun thing about living in Pasadena at that age.

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 59):
I'm going to take that left turn before you get to the top, head north and see how far into the mountains that goes.


That's the Angeles Forest Highway that goes to Palmdale.

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 59):
And all those Observatory bldgs are pretty neat. I never realized how old that stuff was until I actually read the wall exhibits in that little building with the model in it.


Hang gliders jump off at that point and land at the football field at my old high school.



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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

I used to say LA was a "feeling" and not a city.

I actually grew up there, in Westchester, graduated Westchester HS in the 80s, all those old empty housing lots behind LAX is where we used to drive for drivers ed and drivers training in High School. I loved going to the clubs in Hollywood, going to Westwood or West Hollywood. Then I moved to San Francisco and after my family left LA in different stages, I have not had any need to go there in over 20 years. I only did so to transfer to the Air France flight to Papeete each year.

But LA still is 'home' in a way, although I dont know it anymore. It has remained inside of me, great memories of growing up there in a great decade (the 70s and 80s)


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 62, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 61):
graduated Westchester HS in the 80s

What year?
My first year in college, I met a lot of Westchester students. I knew people from class of '91 and back to '88.



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 63, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4285 times:

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 61):
I used to say LA was a "feeling" and not a city.

To those of the artistic persuasion... it still is.

It is also a city with an attitude - good and well.. snobish, but that's due to the competitive nature
emanating from the 'Hollywood thing'.. it reaches well beyond it's domain. But the beach mentality sort
of counters that and balances things out with it's laid back attitude that also chills out everyone from
LAX well thru the music and up-tight Hollywood crowd.

Speaking of History, I remember speaking with a former secretary of Jon Peters when he was on Sunset
Blvd repping Donna Summer and her career was taking off... the stories that heydey are mind-blowing!
Along with tales from Music Mogul Jay Warner about the adventures of Rick James when he was fresh..
Sex, Drugs and Rock did reign supreme... Californification is no joke, not by any stretch of the imagination!

BN747



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User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3877 posts, RR: 14
Reply 64, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 63):
unset
Blvd repping Donna Summer and her career was taking off... the stories that heydey are mind-blowin

I would have loved to have been around in the 80s when poison, motley crue, and the like were tearing up the sunset strip. The stories from that era are just insane.


User currently offlineL0VE2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4278 times:

Quoting icanfly (Reply 47):
Yes, exactly, that's how I feel. It's not the look of concrete as such but the exhilaration of being on them and covering long distances effortlessly.

I quit complaining about traffic since I started traveling overseas and noticed the lack of freeways and high gas prices in many parts of the world, including some developed countries, like Australia & New Zealand.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 51):
That's where I went after work today (minus the burger, because I'm trying to eat somewhat healthy...).

Good for you, they should open a Subway right next to In-N-Out for the health conscious a.netters!!   I went there few weeks ago and I'm going again next month, I try to go there every time I drive up to LA.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 60):
We would shovel snow in to the back and bring it back to school in time for when school got out. Then have a huge snowball fight in the school parking lot. One time we had 4 trucks go up one day and we had a massive snowball fight.
That was one fun thing about living in Pasadena at that age.

That's something you definitely can't do in Thailand!     


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 66, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4276 times:

Quoting us330 (Reply 64):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 63):
unset
Blvd repping Donna Summer and her career was taking off... the stories that heydey are mind-blowin

I would have loved to have been around in the 80s when poison, motley crue, and the like were tearing up the sunset strip. The stories from that era are just insane.

And I'd believe every word of it!

The insanity is sill going on, but it's much much less in your face due some taking up stalking as a full-time profession! So we left with 'insanity' being defined as .. 'the Kardashians' which really is insanity ...and about a whole lot of nothing.

BN747



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 3014 posts, RR: 1
Reply 67, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 65):

Good for you, they should open a Subway right next to In-N-Out for the health conscious a.netters!!   I went there few weeks ago and I'm going again next month, I try to go there every time I drive up to LA.

One can get a 'protein style' burger wrapped in lettuce. Much better than anything Subway will ever serve... You can also get a grilled cheese; a burger without the patty with as much (or as little) condiments you want.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 68, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4252 times:

Quoting us330 (Reply 64):
I would have loved to have been around in the 80s when poison, motley crue, and the like were tearing up the sunset strip. The stories from that era are just insane.

I caught the tail end of that era in the late 1980s. The glam rock / hair metal era was awesome!  
Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 65):
they should open a Subway right next to In-N-Out for the health conscious a.netters!!

Subway isn't healthy. You can go to In-N-Out and eat a pickle.



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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8807 posts, RR: 1
Reply 69, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4237 times:

We in LA don't have the rows of tall buildings and rail transit system that New York City has and Alicia Keys ain't gong to "lets hear it for LA" but Randy Newman sings for us and kicks ass here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVIOBtGVbvs.
LA has a lot of things going for us Angelinos, We have great weather all year round, never too cold or hot, 300 plus days of sun a year and almost never rains. LA has a world class airport that is a focus destination for UA, AA, DL, AS, VX, WN. plus we get plenty of A380s and 747-8s. We are the home to world class universities like UCLA, and USC. The city of Angels LACMA art museum, planetarium/observatory and natural history museum ain't half bad at all. Like I said before with our great weather, we have hot women in and around LA all year round. In-N-Out anyone?



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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4227 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 62):
What year?
My first year in college, I met a lot of Westchester students. I knew people from class of '91 and back to '88.

A 'few' years (not many) before that  


I like that Westchester was part of the City of Los Angeles and used the Los Angeles 90045 zip code. It was also a heavily 'airline brat' area, where many of us who attended WHS and Orville Wright Jr HS had parents who worked for the airlines, many Western and Continental as they both were HQ'd there.

We actually moved to Redondo Beach the last year of my high school, but I continued to attend WHS and sort of liked taking that bus that went up from King Harbor thru Hermosa and Manhattan Beach, El Segundo , LAX.. It was a great scenic route to do each morning when I didn't ride to work with my father. After graduating HS, San Francisco called and I continued to go home to LA often for breaks or a visit, until my father was transferred to Atlanta after they merged with Delta.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 71, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4189 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 69):
and almost never rains.


Huh?
Are you kidding? When it rains there, people die!
Accidents left & right and some areas flood and occasionally people get swept in to the wash and are swept miles downstream to their death.

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 69):
LA has a world class airport


        
With some of the dumbest TSA agents and a horrible airport to connect.

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 69):
we have hot women


..with really bad attitude.

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 70):
I like that Westchester was part of the City of Los Angeles and used the Los Angeles 90045 zip code.

That was one of the better high schools in LAUSD.

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 70):
my father was transferred to Atlanta after they merged with Delta.

That sucks.



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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10342 posts, RR: 26
Reply 72, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 58):
Come to think of it, there is hardly ever any traffic on the Pasadena freeway.

What???

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 59):
Mt Wilson is also great hiking most days too. And all those Observatory bldgs are pretty neat. I never realized how old that stuff was until I actually read the wall exhibits in that little building with the model in it.

I haven't done Mt. Wilson (sadly), but I've done Strawberry Peak a couple times (a couple miles from Mt. Wilson). Love hiking up in the mountains.

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 65):
Good for you, they should open a Subway right next to In-N-Out for the health conscious a.netters!!

That would make me go to the In'n'Out every time. Subway is terrible.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 68):
The glam rock / hair metal era was awesome!

  

Though "Little Fighter" by While Lion contains one of my favorite guitar solos.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 68):
You can go to In-N-Out and eat a pickle.

'Fly, we're not talking about your porn flick anymore....

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 70):
I like that Westchester was part of the City of Los Angeles and used the Los Angeles 90045 zip code. It was also a heavily 'airline brat' area, where many of us who attended WHS and Orville Wright Jr HS had parents who worked for the airlines, many Western and Continental as they both were HQ'd there.

Westchester still is part of the City of LA, and still uses 90045.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 73, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4179 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 72):
What???

The 110 yes (Harbor Freeway), but when it becomes the Pasadena Freeway after I-5, it's smooth sailing. Most of the 110 traffic north of I-10 is going to the 101 and I-5.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 72):
Subway is terrible.

  

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 72):
Though "Little Fighter" by While Lion contains one of my favorite guitar solos.

Good stuff but the Whitesnake album from 1987 does it for me everytime!   
It's flawless!

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 72):
'Fly, we're not talking about your porn flick anymore....

           



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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10342 posts, RR: 26
Reply 74, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4164 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 73):

The 110 yes (Harbor Freeway), but when it becomes the Pasadena Freeway after I-5, it's smooth sailing. Most of the 110 traffic north of I-10 is going to the 101 and I-5.

Not in the afternoons - it can get quite slow.



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 75, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4152 times:

Quoting johnboy (Reply 1):
I think it's an overcrowded, dirty, traffic-congested dump

Sounds like New York...


User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8807 posts, RR: 1
Reply 76, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4148 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 71):
Huh?
Are you kidding? When it rains there, people die!
Accidents left & right and some areas flood and occasionally people get swept in to the wash and are swept miles downstream to their death.

So people don't die anywhere else when it rains, right? And your response does not even relate to the statement that I made.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 71):
With some of the dumbest TSA agents and a horrible airport to connect.

Dumb TSA agent are everywhere in this country not just LAX. No airline has a super hub at LAX so you might have a point there but the fortress hubs small spoke connectors are in decline throughout the country.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 71):
..with really bad attitude.

I guess you know first hand, or that was me you included?   

I really struck a nerve haven't I?



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User currently offlinetz757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2877 posts, RR: 6
Reply 77, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4132 times:

Just came back from LA for a conference and this this thread is just repeating the one I started a few weeks ago. I actually got around well with public transit. Got from the airport to downtown in 40 minutes. Easy.

But, I couldn't stand the city. You need a car to get places. I got to experience the famed LA smog in the morning. Saw a few 90 min delays on the highways. I would never want to live like that.

Went to San Diego while I was there as well. Most LA residents complain about it as the bastard child of Southern CA. Very nice city, public transit got you where you needed to go. More walkable than LA for sure as well.



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User currently offlineicanfly From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4110 times:

Quoting tz757300 (Reply 77):
this thread is just repeating the one I started a few weeks ago.

No, this thread is an homage to LA. It's a pity you couldn't stand it.

Quoting tz757300 (Reply 77):
You need a car to get places.
Quoting tz757300 (Reply 77):
More walkable than LA for sure as well.

Superfly has established that only homeless people walk in LA   There's even a catchy 1980s rock song about that ^^

Quoting tz757300 (Reply 77):
I actually got around well with public transit.

Actually, I found that too. I really liked using the buses down Santa Monica Boulevard and Sunset Boulevard. They were frequent and efficient, and avoided parking hassles when exploring the West Hollywood area. But, I found that when I drove around, the city truly came to life, almost as if it was waiting for me to get into a car. Using public transit to see LA is like trying to see a rich coral reef from a glass-bottomed boat on the surface of the sea. Yes you can see bits and pieces but to appreciate the reef properly you need to dive in and swim around, just like you need to drive to experience LA properly.

My favorite activity in LA is house spotting - which isn't possible on public transit. And I had some wonderful moments once I started to drive around. Getting lost in the Brentwood hills on the way to the Getty Center (my GPS didn't know how to enter it). Driving past the spot on the corner of Hollywood and Highland (I think) where Richard Gere picked up Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman (though I wasn't in a Porsche like him). Seeing the area where Rita was nearly murdered in David Lynch's Mulholland Drive (she escaped but had to walk in high heels down the hills from Coldwater Canyon to Sunset Boulevard before she made it to Naomi Watts' apartment). Seeing the flood control channel in the San Fernando Valley where the truck chase scene in Terminator 2 was filmed.



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 3014 posts, RR: 1
Reply 79, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4089 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 69):
300 plus days of sun a year and almost never rains.

One of the things I hate the most. I like the rain and snow; instead, we are stuck with 75 degrees year round. Terrible.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 71):
Accidents left & right and some areas floo

This is true. People in LA don't know how to drive in the rain.

(Not that they know how to drive in the first place...)



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 80, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4074 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 74):
Not in the afternoons - it can get quite slow.


That must be a new thing. Back in my day, we could fly around those corners all day & night.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 75):
Sounds like New York...


  

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 76):
So people don't die anywhere else when it rains, right? And your response does not even relate to the statement that I made.


Yes it does. You implied that it hardly ever rains there. That is not true at all and when it does rain there, hell breaks loose.

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 76):
I guess you know first hand, or that was me you included?


No. I just lived there for 15 years and go back all the time since I have family & friends that live there so what do I know....?

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 76):
I really struck a nerve haven't I?


Not at all. I just have to correct you.  
Quoting tz757300 (Reply 77):
You need a car to get places.


Ya see, I told you so!  
Quoting icanfly (Reply 78):
Superfly has established that only homeless people walk in LA There's even a catchy 1980s rock song about that ^^


I already included that in reply #19
Missing Persons is an under-rated band. Would be awesome if vikkyvik's band can pull off doing a cover of their's. (hint, hint)  
Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 79):
People in LA don't know how to drive in the rain.

(Not that they know how to drive in the first place...)



LA drivers are excellent when it's dry but horrible in the rain.



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 3014 posts, RR: 1
Reply 81, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4071 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 80):
LA drivers are excellent when it's dry

I don't know about that... I've been close to getting into some bad smashes thanks to many a moron.



The 747 will always be the TRUE queen of the skies!
User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5615 posts, RR: 28
Reply 82, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4067 times:

Lived in the area (best of all worlds, had great neighborhood in Fullerton without the snotty OC attitude I often saw in south OC), loved being there and all it had to do and see. Moved away, and don't miss it a bit.

Too big a city / megalopolis for my tastes now (but then again, so is Dallas now, as my tastes are changing with age and experience).

I was disappointed with what I observed was a bit of ignorance-derived arrogance there; folks who had grown up there often had a bizarrely skewed view of the world east of Palm Springs- guy I knew from Ohio and I had a couple of twenty-somethings convinced that we had just (in the early seventies) gotten electricity in rural Ohio and rural Texas. Fact is, some seemed not to care at all what happened outside their LA universe (not entirely unexpected, one supposes, as everything that you *really* needed was there, close by).

Also, oddly (and in contravention of its open-minded rep), SoCal was one of the most rigidly segregated areas I had ever seen (this is mid to late eighties), on bases of both race and cultural background/national origin. Very surprising, and not applicable to certain enclaves. I suspect (but don't know) that this is less so now.

So nice to look out and see mountains. The marine layer could get depressing at times. Nice (where we lived) to almost never need air conditioning. Better and broader array of fresh vegetables and fruit available than anywhere else I have ever lived. Great Chinese /Asian food for fair prices. Mexican food very bland compared to what we were accustomed to in Texas (and yes, I know "TexMex" is not completely authentic either, but you like what you know, right?). Not a shred of decent barbecue to be had.

Earthquakes. Don't like 'em. Always wondering, when the tremors started, "is it a modest one, or is it bad news?". But then again, I don't care much for tornadoes either. Guess that's a wash. Still, a really good quake will instantaneously take out the water-delivery infrastructure to the LA Meto area, I cannot imagine the scenario in which that ends well. A concern.

Mobility is terrible, if you cannot arrange to live near where you need to be to work. I had a reasonable commute from Fullerton to the Peoples' Republik of Irvine for work, then they threatened to move my job to Hawthorne, the only place I had ever seen that had bulletproof glass between the customers and the workers at the KFC. Many folks who worked at Northrop in Hawthoren commuted in "plane pools" from the inland empire (Riverside, San Berdoo, etc,) to Hawthorne, which in a 172 with three regulars saved time and money and, I imagine, made life tolerable. I know a guy today who commutes, daily, from Hawthorne to Chino, every day, in a Bonanza, traveling in 15 minutes that which could easily take two hours on the ground.

On the other hand, live near where you want to be, and there's a lot to like.

Still don't understand why they tore up one of the best networks of light rail in the lates 50s/early 60s. Silly stuff, that.

On balance, LA is a treasure in its own right, and Randy Newman can sing it all day long. Glad I was there, know I'll never live there again, hope it can regain some of its lost magic.

But if I never set foot in LAX again, that'll be soon enough for me, and since QANTAS flies non-stop to Aussie from DFW, I likely won't.



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6934 posts, RR: 9
Reply 83, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4057 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 62):

I used to live in Westchester myself.

Once you get over the awful neighbors that are against college partying, it's not that bad. There are some nice mom and pops in the area too.



"KEEP CLIMBING" -- DELTA
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 84, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4056 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 81):
I don't know about that... I've been close to getting into some bad smashes thanks to many a moron.



You need to be more assertive when driving and don't expect the others around you to obey the rules.  
Quoting sccutler (Reply 82):
what I observed was a bit of ignorance-derived arrogance there


New York and San Francisco is like that.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 82):
SoCal was one of the most rigidly segregated areas I had ever seen (this is mid to late eighties), on bases of both race and cultural background/national origin.


Chicago is much worse.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 82):
I had ever seen that had bulletproof glass between the customers and the workers at the KFC.


Plenty of places on Chicago's south side that is like that.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 82):
Still don't understand why they tore up one of the best networks of light rail in the lates 50s/early 60s. Silly stuff, that.


That was foolish. My favorite of that rail network was the Mount Lowe railroad. It was a San Francisco style Cable Car that ascended 5,000 feet from Altadena to the top of Mount Lowe. It opened in 1893 but after several fires and severe rain & snow storms, it ceased operation in 1938. It was the only scenic mountain, electric traction (overhead electric trolley) railroad ever built in the United States.
We lived just two blocks from the starting point when we moved to California in 1984.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 82):
But if I never set foot in LAX again, that'll be soon enough for me, and since QANTAS flies non-stop to Aussie from DFW, I likely won't.


But you can fly to LAX and fly Thai Airways out here to see me!   



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26151 posts, RR: 50
Reply 85, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4030 times:

Funny this morning for work, I am reviewing the newly issued Los Angeles County 2012 Annual Report.

Some interesting statistics -

o Largest county in the US
o Bigger then 42 states
o 20th largest economy in the world - topping $500bil
o 88 individual cities and over 120 unincorporated communities
o Nations largest commercial property market - valued in excess of $1.1trillion - covering 2.6mil parcels
o Largest local government in the nation
o Largest public transit bus network in the US
o Nations largest police and fire agency
o Nations largest jail system
o The most restaurants in the nation - over 55,000
o The most parks and nature areas in the nation - 177 - with over 21mil visitors.
o The most artistic theaters, museums, orchestras and dance companies in the nation
o Nations largest trade port
o Nations second largest air travel market
o The most freeway lane miles in the nation
o Nations second largest manufacturing center
o Largest recipient market of foreign direct investment in the US.



This place is really a nation of its own.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 86, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 85):
Some interesting statistics

Isn't most of those points just different ways of saying - Largest county in the US


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 87, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4015 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 85):
o Largest county in the US


Wrong. San Bernardino county is larger and so are a few others.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 85):
o 20th largest economy in the world - topping $500bil



..and is on the verge of bankruptcy.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 85):
o Largest public transit bus network in the US


Yet most people rather drive. Los Angeles has a lot of land so of course the routes are longer in distance. Doesn't mean it's useful to most.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 85):
o Nations largest jail system


Not a good thing to boast about.   

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 85):
o The most freeway lane miles in the nation


Nice!
  



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 88, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4015 times:

Quoting tz757300 (Reply 77):
Just came back from LA for a conference and this this thread is just repeating the one I started a few weeks ago. I actually got around well with public transit. Got from the airport to downtown in 40 minutes. Easy.

Got around well with public transportation...

Quoting tz757300 (Reply 77):

But, I couldn't stand the city. You need a car to get places.

Hated it because you need a car...

..wait a sec..

Which is it??? You're contradicting yourself! First you say you managed PT quite well.. the you complained about needing a car.

Two Questions: Where'd you stay? And where'd you go?

Quoting BN747 (Reply 21):
You have no idea how many times I've heard human beings calling marine layer ..smog!

The Perfect example...

Quoting tz757300 (Reply 77):

I got to experience the famed LA smog in the morning.

...again, that was Marine Layer, if were smog it would stay all day and night.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 82):
Also, oddly (and in contravention of its open-minded rep), SoCal was one of the most rigidly segregated areas I had ever seen (this is mid to late eighties), on bases of both race and cultural background/national origin. Very surprising, and not applicable to certain enclaves. I suspect (but don't know) that this is less so now.

Most of America's largest cities are rigidly segregated, only San Francisco can deny that dubious clam.

But many areas of LA that were .. aren't as much as they use to be. Brentwood, Westwood, Beverly Hills have gone from lily white to mostly white - huge numbers of Persians, latinos and other ethnic groups have joined the ranks. Best intergrated areas are Venice, Hollywood, Culver City, West LA, a good number of Valley Communities.

But the battle of racism goes on, as it loses a grip here and there with each passing day...

Quoting sccutler (Reply 82):
Earthquakes. Don't like 'em.

Love except when people get hurt... they are like an free unexpected rollercoaster ride. Everyone needs a good sudden jolt to remind them of who is in control of this life and all you own and everything in it - Earth, the planet.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 82):
Still, a really good quake will instantaneously take out the water-delivery infrastructure to the LA Meto area,

Did do that during the massive Northridge quake, not in Hollywood/Beverly Hills anyway.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 82):
I cannot imagine the scenario in which that ends well. A concern.

There's peril everywhere..except Montana, no more late night Indian raids.. but nothing to do there either but count cattle.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 82):

Mobility is terrible, if you cannot arrange to live near where you need to be to work. I had a reasonable commute from Fullerton to the Peoples' Republik of Irvine for work,
Quoting sccutler (Reply 82):

But if I never set foot in LAX again, that'll be soon enough for me,

But you love the pics and videos many of us shoot there!

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 85):

Thanks for posting that!

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 85):
Largest local government in the nation

Ooh boy, lots of cash flowing in that matrx...tons of unseen corruption has to be present as well.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 85):
Nations largest police and fire agency

Great Fire Dept..salute to Chief Austin and other Chiefs.

LAPD, get your act together!

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 85):
Nations largest jail system

Let the Potheads Free!!! They are about as criminal as your grandmother taking her 'nightly cough medicine'..

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 85):
The most restaurants in the nation - over 55,000

And nowhere near as many chunksters per capita!

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 85):
The most parks and nature areas in the nation - 177 - with over 21mil visitors.

Yep! And Doggy Parks and Beaches!

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 85):
The most artistic theaters, museums, orchestras and dance companies in the nation

Who says there's no culture??? Someone who hasn't the slightest idea where to go...that's who!

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 85):
Nations second largest air travel market

Yea! Get anywhere almost nonstop! Great for airport spotting!

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 85):
The most freeway lane miles in the nation

We need more! Time to Double-Deck 'em!

..but I use side-streets anyway.. hardly anywhere should take more than 30-40 mins in the worse conditions.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 85):
o Nations second largest manufacturing center
o Largest recipient market of foreign direct investment in the US.

Means more Carrier traffic! More spotting.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 85):


This place is really a nation of its own.

Indeed it is, Everything one needs is here.. even a Leave it to Beaver enclave if that's what you crave.

By comparison in size, the Greater Mexico DF w surrounding Valley cities:

Metro
Mexico City 9,560 km -- 3,691 sq mi with 20,000,000 (2010 census)


Metro LA 87,945 km -- 36,955 sq. mi 21,238,998 people
incl. Orange,Ventura, Riverside & San Berdo connecting counties. LA is 10 times the size of Metropolitan Mexico City region with the same number of inhabitants.

Use the airport runways as rulers on google earth and zoom out...it is Massive! Dwarfs Mexico City into a spot on the map.

We need a DFW sized airport..not the shoebox that is LAX.

BN747

[Edited 2013-04-14 15:12:15]

[Edited 2013-04-14 15:18:56]


"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 89, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3997 times:

Quoting icanfly (Thread starter):
Forget the old-world classics of Paris, Rome and Venice; LA's beauty is of the 20th century kind...... from Art Deco to Spanish Revival to replicas of French chateaux.

Just trying to understand: "Forget the old world classics", but what's impressive in LA are "replicas of French chateaux"?

Would seem to confirm my impressive of a profoundly superficial, soulless, automobile centric dessert.

I'm not really an LA hater. A good friend just moved back there and challenges me to come visit and discover it. But I've not heard or seen anything to attract me so far (still I remain willing to be convinced...).



When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 90, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3997 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 88):
Most of America's largest cities are rigidly segregated, only San Francisco can deny that dubious clam.


Not true. I was the only black on my street in all the 15 years I lived in San Francisco. All my neighbors were Chinese. I didn't have a problem with that but just pointing out that San Francisco is just as segregated as any other big city, even though they'll deny that.
I found Pasadena to be an amazingly diverse city and when I lived there in the 1980s, my neighbours were White, Armenian, Greek, Mexican, Korean, Vietnamese and a few Russians. We all got along but we fought over parking spaces...

Other honorable mentions are Martinez, CA, Madison WI and Honolulu, HI as ethically diverse cities that I've observed.
My current neighborhood is all Thai.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 88):
Let the Potheads Free!!!


I have to agree with BN747 on this one.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 3014 posts, RR: 1
Reply 91, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3989 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 84):
ou need to be more assertive when driving and don't expect the others around you to obey the rules.  

I most certainly am assertive and I definitely don't expect anyone to do anything normal... However, I can't stop people from cutting me off and slamming on the brakes when they realize that they can't make it into the next lane.



The 747 will always be the TRUE queen of the skies!
User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10342 posts, RR: 26
Reply 92, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 80):
Yes it does. You implied that it hardly ever rains there.

It doesn't rain much at all here. We get just under 15" of precipitation annually, and have an average of 35 days of measurable precipitation per year.

http://www.weatherbase.com/weather/weather.php3?s=159227&refer=

Quoting Superfly (Reply 84):
You need to be more assertive when driving and don't expect the others around you to obey the rules.

So basically, what you're saying is that LA drivers are terrible, but you get used to it, so they're not terrible?

That doesn't make sense. You can do that anywhere.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 87):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 85):
o Largest county in the US


Wrong. San Bernardino county is larger and so are a few others.

It's the largest by population.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 88):
Love except when people get hurt... they are like an free unexpected rollercoaster ride.

   Me too.



How can I be an admiral without my cap??!
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15835 posts, RR: 27
Reply 93, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 51):
No, I'm pretty sure no one does. I always feel bad for the people who work at Lockheed Skunk Works. Awesome freaking job in a terrible freaking place.

That's what happens when too many people end up in Burbank. Still probably beats the hell out of Mojave though.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 84):
Chicago is much worse.

You'd better know what's on the other side of the viaduct before you go under it.

Quoting cmf (Reply 86):
Isn't most of those points just different ways of saying - Largest county in the US

Not really. You could take a large chunk of Nebraska and it wouldn't even come close to matching LA County.

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 89):
Just trying to understand: "Forget the old world classics", but what's impressive in LA are "replicas of French chateaux"?

It's not Angelenos' fault that the originals don't have home theaters or infinity pools.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 94, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3980 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 91):
I most certainly am assertive and I definitely don't expect anyone to do anything normal... However, I can't stop people from cutting me off and slamming on the brakes when they realize that they can't make it into the next lane.



Wuss! ! ! !   

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 92):
So basically, what you're saying is that LA drivers are terrible, but you get used to it, so they're not terrible?


No. Driving in LA is not for wusses!      

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 93):
You'd better know what's on the other side of the viaduct before you go under it.


  
You might end up in the community that needs it's organizer back.   

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 93):
You could take a large chunk of Nebraska and it wouldn't even come close to matching LA County.


Cherry county is pretty big.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 95, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3971 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 89):
Would seem to confirm my impressive of a profoundly superficial, soulless, automobile centric dessert.

What the heck is an "automobile centric dessert?"

Assuming you meant desert and not some sort of strange concoction you eat, you really have no idea what you're talking about. The Los Angeles basin is a Mediterranean climate. Average summertime temperatures in downtown LA are in the upper 80s. Same goes for Santa Ana, Culver City and other areas. The Valley is a little warmer on average but still, nothing extreme.

Please folks, if you hate LA, don't go there. Forget it exists.

Those of us who know LA, love and appreciate the history, the culture, (some) of the people, and the weather will be much better off without you.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 96, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

With texting added to the mix.. driving in LA is now a super serious problem.

I've seen old dudes and old korean women trying text and drive and I invent new swear words
as they hold everyone else up!

I do believe some people can actually 'talk (hand held) and drive .. fast. But most aren't that good at it!
Plus texting, they should double the already exhorbitant fines.. add jail time in accident cases.

..and ban Prius drivers from the fast lane (and the #3 lane on four lane fwys).

Yes, I'm a Lib who hates Priui!

BN747

[Edited 2013-04-14 16:27:41]


"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10342 posts, RR: 26
Reply 97, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3961 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 93):
That's what happens when too many people end up in Burbank. Still probably beats the hell out of Mojave though.

They're in Palmdale.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 94):
No. Driving in LA is not for wusses!

You're right. It's for utterly clueless people.

See, aggressive driving doesn't bother me. That's what I grew up with in Boston. CLUELESS driving, however, is a major thorn in my side, and that's what I see daily in LA.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 96):
With texting added to the mix.. driving in LA is now a super serious problem.

  



How can I be an admiral without my cap??!
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26151 posts, RR: 50
Reply 98, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3963 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 87):
Wrong. San Bernardino county is larger and so are a few others.

Population amigo

Quoting Superfly (Reply 87):
..and is on the verge of bankruptcy.

LA Co. is hardly on the verge of BK. It runs a budget surplus, with good reserves.

Banks rate it as "very good" - matter of fact in 2012 it garnered the highest rating in its history !


L.A. County gets its highest credit rating ever from S&P

Los Angeles County government received its highest ever credit rating earlier this week, meaning the municipality will pay less interest when borrowing money for some projects.

Standard and Poor's raised the county's score from AA- to AA, citing the county's large general fund reserves, which total almost $200 million, and strong financial management.

L.A. County was one of 191 municipalities nationwide that received increases, while 580 had their scores downgraded.


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...12/10/la-county-credit-rating.html

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From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 99, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 95):
The Los Angeles basin is a Mediterranean climate. Average summertime temperatures in downtown LA are in the upper 80s. Same goes for Santa Ana, Culver City and other areas. The Valley is a little warmer on average but still, nothing extreme.

By 'desert', I was not speaking about climate...

Please include the context of my post, where I say, despite previous experiences, I am returning to visit a friend who moved back there and is determined to show me other faces of the city and that I remain open to discovering it.



When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 100, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3950 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 98):
LA Co. is hardly on the verge of BK. It runs a budget surplus, with good reserves.

Banks rate it as "very good" - matter of fact in 2012 it garnered the highest rating in its history !



Let's see if Jerry Brown tries to steal that money to help Torrance which is bankrupt and in LA Co or prop up the high-speed rail boondoggle.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 97):
CLUELESS driving, however, is a major thorn in my side, and that's what I see daily in LA.


Try driving in San Francisco. You would think that most drivers there had just learned to drive that morning. Yet they decide to get aggressive when it rains.   



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15835 posts, RR: 27
Reply 101, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 94):
You might end up in the community that needs it's organizer back.

Weather's getting nice and that means two things: boobies come out and shooting season.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 97):
They're in Palmdale.

Lockheed was in Burbank until the 1980s.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10342 posts, RR: 26
Reply 102, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3948 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 101):
Lockheed was in Burbank until the 1980s.

Till '89 or so, yes. But that's not the part I was correcting:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 93):
That's what happens when too many people end up in Burbank. Still probably beats the hell out of Mojave though.

They're not in Mojave (in the desert, yes, but not the city).



How can I be an admiral without my cap??!
User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 3014 posts, RR: 1
Reply 103, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3919 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 94):
Wuss! ! ! !  

I can't do anything about other people's driving.



The 747 will always be the TRUE queen of the skies!
User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5615 posts, RR: 28
Reply 104, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 88):
Love except when people get hurt... they are like an free unexpected rollercoaster ride. Everyone needs a good sudden jolt to remind them of who is in control of this life and all you own and everything in it - Earth, the planet.

Amen, brother.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 88):
Quoting sccutler (Reply 82):
Still, a really good quake will instantaneously take out the water-delivery infrastructure to the LA Meto area,

Did do that during the massive Northridge quake, not in Hollywood/Beverly Hills anyway.

I am not talking about a Northridge-strength temblor (though 6.7 is nothing to sneeze at); I mean a real quake, something in the 7.5+ range, which scientists tell us we will have... some day.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 88):
Quoting sccutler (Reply 82):

But if I never set foot in LAX again, that'll be soon enough for me,

But you love the pics and videos many of us shoot there!

I do. I do, indeed. And, LAX is not a terrible airport. It's just, simply put, out of the way, and my experiences with its customs facilities have left much to be desired.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 90):

My current neighborhood is all Thai.
...all Thai, and Superfly! Sounds like a movie...  



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 105, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3890 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 103):
I can't do anything about other people's driving.



You gotta learn to roll with it. Floor it is the best way to drive in SoCal.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 104):
I am not talking about a Northridge-strength temblor (though 6.7 is nothing to sneeze at);


I was in that earthquake. I recall having a few classes held under tree branches at CSUN.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 101):
Weather's getting nice and that means two things: boobies come out and shooting season.


  
Sadly the latter is more common in most big cities.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 104):
...all Thai, and Superfly! Sounds like a movie...


A few short romance films may be floating around already.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlinetz757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2877 posts, RR: 6
Reply 106, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 88):

Quoting tz757300 (Reply 77):
Just came back from LA for a conference and this this thread is just repeating the one I started a few weeks ago. I actually got around well with public transit. Got from the airport to downtown in 40 minutes. Easy.

Got around well with public transportation...

Quoting tz757300 (Reply 77):

But, I couldn't stand the city. You need a car to get places.

Hated it because you need a car...

..wait a sec..

Which is it??? You're contradicting yourself! First you say you managed PT quite well.. the you complained about needing a car.

Two Questions: Where'd you stay? And where'd you go?

Ok, yes, that does seem contradictory, but let me explain. Using public transit to get to my conference was great, since my hotel (Hawthorne) was next to the Green Line and my conference was on the Silver Line. Very easy if your start and end is on a transit mode outside a bus.

Everywhere else, I still needed a car. Trying to get anywhere, besides downtown or Hollywood was exceptionally difficult. I was going to try and make it to the famed In-N-Out near the airport. Would have took almost an hour on bus connections, even if it was only a few miles away, which is what most of LA has to deal with.



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 3014 posts, RR: 1
Reply 107, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3859 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 105):
Floor it is the best way to drive in SoCal.

I can't do that thanks to the Prius in the leftmost lane.



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User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 721 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 104):
Quoting Superfly (Reply 90):

My current neighborhood is all Thai.
...all Thai, and Superfly! Sounds like a movie...  

                 



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 109, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

Quoting tz757300 (Reply 106):
Ok, yes, that does seem contradictory, but let me explain. Using public transit to get to my conference was great, since my hotel (Hawthorne) was next to the Green Line and my conference was on the Silver Line. Very easy if your start and end is on a transit mode outside a bus.

Ok..why on earth would you select a hotel in of all places.. Hawthorne???

Anywhere but that would have been nice, I'm guessing you allowed 'hotels.com' make that choice for you.

And on a map it may look geographically strategic ... but in practice, a disastrous choice! If you did not want to disclose your exact choice .. you could fielded a few option by saying 'I'm thinking if staying in the LAX area, opinions on Westchester, Inglewood, Hawthorne, El Segundo, etc..

..Hawthorne & Inglewood would clearly be the avoid at all cost, bottom choices hands down!

Given your Conf. was on the Silverline means it was most likely downtown (I could be wrong)... staying downtown would have been far far better than Hawthorne with a lot more to see right off the bat.

Quoting tz757300 (Reply 106):


Everywhere else, I still needed a car. Trying to get anywhere, besides downtown or Hollywood was exceptionally difficult.

Many made that abundantly clear.. but you made public transp. your sole option.

Quoting tz757300 (Reply 106):


I was going to try and make it to the famed In-N-Out near the airport. Would have took almost an hour on bus connections, even if it was only a few miles away, which is what most of LA has to deal with.

Not true, the green line which was close to you (or connect via the Silverline ) would have taken you to the end at (doesn't end in Hawthorne?) has a free bus extension to LAX. That Bus .. a single bus would have dropped you off at Terminal 1 and you could have easily hoofed it to Inn n Out 20 mins and ! And walk is the funnest 20 mins for any spotter ciz everything on the north complex is rocketing right past you. You would have burnt up a roll of film before your walk was over! ...and that' just getting there!

I know it's confusing sorting out a million opinions in order to arrive at the best possible conclusion, but you could have done much better. Your experience mirrors that of everyone I've heard say ' I couldn't stand it..' .. they were always in some crappy place everyone avoids 'like Hawthorne (Compton is next-door..why not there)' and get easily discouraged due to poor planning. Sorry it didn't work out, but the 1st hint (as in all travel experiences) - when you walk out of where you are staying and realize where you are, but usually when your excitement is met with the glum expression from the hotel clerk - that tells you all you need to know - even they don't want be in Hawthorne,..and they probably live there!

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 107):
Quoting Superfly (Reply 105):
Floor it is the best way to drive in SoCal.

I can't do that thanks to the Prius in the leftmost lane.

See??? I toldja!

..and they'll get ballsy.. cut your off then immediately go back down to Prius speed... that really drives me nuts!
If you're going to cut me off... do something with it!

BN747



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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6934 posts, RR: 9
Reply 110, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 88):

Most of America's largest cities are rigidly segregated, only San Francisco can deny that dubious clam.

But many areas of LA that were .. aren't as much as they use to be. Brentwood, Westwood, Beverly Hills have gone from lily white to mostly white - huge numbers of Persians, latinos and other ethnic groups have joined the ranks. Best intergrated areas are Venice, Hollywood, Culver City, West LA, a good number of Valley Communities.

But the battle of racism goes on, as it loses a grip here and there with each passing day...

I say racism in LA is overrated. Angelenos have progressed a lot in 20 years for certain.

Come on out to NY/NJ now that is segregation. The suburbs go from black to lilly white in a stretch of 15 miles. Not to mention that the people will tout how great the schools and public services are, but once you mention anything having to do with minorities they cringe (and most of these people are democrats!)



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 111, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3813 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 110):
I say racism in LA is overrated. Angelenos have progressed a lot in 20 years for certain.

Come on out to NY/NJ now that is segregation. The suburbs go from black to lilly white in a stretch of 15 miles. Not to mention that the people will tout how great the schools and public services are, but once you mention anything having to do with minorities they cringe (and most of these people are democrats!)

Apply that same matrix to the San Fernando Valley and lilly white Simi-Valley...and guess what? They're mostly Republicans...so what's your point?

BN747



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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10342 posts, RR: 26
Reply 112, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 109):
Not true, the green line which was close to you (or connect via the Silverline ) would have taken you to the end at (doesn't end in Hawthorne?) has a free bus extension to LAX.

The Green Line ends in north Redondo, yes. There is an LAX stop, but yeah, you need to take a bus (I think) to get to the actual airport.

Frankly, I would have just taken a taxi from Hawthorne to LAX. Not a long trip at all. Or the hotel may have airport shuttles - I'd be a bit surprised if they didn't.

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 107):
I can't do that thanks to the Prius in the leftmost lane.

The Prius, or the old Accord, or the old pickup truck, or the Buick, or the SUV.....the list goes on and on. The common theme is they all park in the left lane, going 60 mph. That is quite literally the thing that pisses me off the most on the freeways, because it's so damn prevalent!



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 113, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3801 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 112):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 109):
Not true, the green line which was close to you (or connect via the Silverline ) would have taken you to the end at (doesn't end in Hawthorne?) has a free bus extension to LAX.

The Green Line ends in north Redondo, yes. There is an LAX stop, but yeah, you need to take a bus (I think) to get to the actual airport.

Frankly, I would have just taken a taxi from Hawthorne to LAX. Not a long trip at all. Or the hotel may have airport shuttles - I'd be a bit surprised if they didn't.

That's true... the hotels usually shuttle or participate in a pooling op.

But the Green Line now ends at line at Aviation Blvd & Imperial (LAX station) that has to be technically El Segundo.

...that is right under the 25s approach. Then LAX has shuttles to the Terminals ( and even better probably to Lot C - which is spitting distance to Inn-n Out). Just no excuses for not pulling that off.

Plus the use of LAX as a staging point for... the Flyaway Bus.

One could take that from LAX to Santa Monica/Venice - cost $7 bucks!
To Westwood as well and guess what... a bus with ZERO stops!

BN747



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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10342 posts, RR: 26
Reply 114, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 113):
But the Green Line now ends at line at Aviation Blvd & Imperial (LAX station) that has to be technically El Segundo.

You mean they shortened it? It used to go a few stops past that to North Redondo. Far as I can tell, it still does....

http://www.metro.net/interactives/go_metro/



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 115, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 99):
Please include the context of my post, where I say, despite previous experiences, I am returning to visit a friend who moved back there and is determined to show me other faces of the city and that I remain open to discovering it.

I wasn't referring directly to you, which is why I didn't quote your post. But I thought that was pretty obvious by saying "please folks..."


User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5615 posts, RR: 28
Reply 116, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3754 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 109):


..and they'll get ballsy.. cut your off then immediately go back down to Prius speed... that really drives me nuts!
If you're going to cut me off... do something with it!

Such a simple and reasonable request... wasted on the brain-dead nimrods to whom it is directed.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 112):

The Prius, or the old Accord, or the old pickup truck, or the Buick, or the SUV.....the list goes on and on. The common theme is they all park in the left lane, going 60 mph. That is quite literally the thing that pisses me off the most on the freeways, because it's so damn prevalent!

Indeed it is. Shameful, wasteful of resources and considerably more dangerous than the smooth flow at higher speeds which would carry if lane discipline were adhered to.



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1412 posts, RR: 3
Reply 117, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3740 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 60):
That's the Angeles Forest Highway that goes to Palmdale.

Yeah I figured that was it.. I'm wondering if that one's a great drive too...

Quoting Superfly (Reply 60):


The most fun I had up there was ditching class in high school and going up in my friends Ford Ranger and Chevrolette Cheyenne. We would shovel snow in to the back and bring it back to school in time for when school got out. Then have a huge snowball fight in the school parking lot. One time we had 4 trucks go up one day and we had a massive snowball fight.
That was one fun thing about living in Pasadena at that age.

That does sound awesome.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 82):

Too big a city / megalopolis for my tastes now (but then again, so is Dallas now, as my tastes are changing with age and experience).

Maybe. But Dallas really isn't that much smaller. This time last year I was living in the Stonebriar area of Plano/Frisco, & while it was great for a lot of reasons, getting around to anything not right there was tricky too.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 84):
That was foolish. My favorite of that rail network was the Mount Lowe railroad. It was a San Francisco style Cable Car that ascended 5,000 feet from Altadena to the top of Mount Lowe. It opened in 1893 but after several fires and severe rain & snow storms, it ceased operation in 1938. It was the only scenic mountain, electric traction (overhead electric trolley) railroad ever built in the United States.
We lived just two blocks from the starting point when we moved to California in 1984.

I'm pretty sure there's still one of those on Franklin Mountain by Fort Bliss.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 85):

This place is really a nation of its own.

It totally is. It's hard for those not here to understand that, but the truth is that one can spend a year not leaving the basin and still not get claustraphobic. As well, our economy is larger and more self-sustaining than most other whole states.

Quoting cmf (Reply 86):

Isn't most of those points just different ways of saying - Largest county in the US

Not but area, but in all other metrics, yes.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 88):

We need a DFW sized airport..not the shoebox that is LAX.

Yes. Yes, we do. But where?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 90):
My current neighborhood is all Thai.

Would never have guess that,  



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3876 posts, RR: 1
Reply 118, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

I'm going to L.A. next month. I might do my usual scenic route from Beverly Hills to Camarillo via Sunset Blvd to the PCH and north on Hwy 23 to Thousand Oaks. If I'm in no hurry, I might take the back roads to Camarillo instead of Ventura Fwy.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 119, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3671 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 118):
I'm going to L.A. next month. I might do my usual scenic route from Beverly Hills to Camarillo via Sunset Blvd to the PCH and north on Hwy 23 to Thousand Oaks. If I'm in no hurry, I might take the back roads to Camarillo instead of Ventura Fwy.



Try to get a tour of some of the small studios out in Chatsworth where they film a lot of your favorite romance movies.



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3876 posts, RR: 1
Reply 120, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3665 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 119):
Try to get a tour of some of the small studios out in Chatsworth where they film a lot of your favorite romance movies.

Perhaps I can audition for "Milfs vs. Little Studs".  



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 121, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3663 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 120):
Perhaps I can audition for "Milfs vs. Little Studs".

You should include that in your trip report.  



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User currently offlinetz757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2877 posts, RR: 6
Reply 122, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3650 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 109):
Ok..why on earth would you select a hotel in of all places.. Hawthorne???

Anywhere but that would have been nice, I'm guessing you allowed 'hotels.com' make that choice for you.

And on a map it may look geographically strategic ... but in practice, a disastrous choice! If you did not want to disclose your exact choice .. you could fielded a few option by saying 'I'm thinking if staying in the LAX area, opinions on Westchester, Inglewood, Hawthorne, El Segundo, etc..

..Hawthorne & Inglewood would clearly be the avoid at all cost, bottom choices hands down!

Given your Conf. was on the Silverline means it was most likely downtown (I could be wrong)... staying downtown would have been far far better than Hawthorne with a lot more to see right off the bat.

My university department chose what they saw as the cheapest, yet somewhat convenient location. My input was...lacking. And I live in a similar area back home so I didn't see Hawthowne as too bad. I guess perspective produces different opinions.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 109):
Many made that abundantly clear.. but you made public transp. your sole option.

As I am a poor grad student, it's difficult to pay for a car for a week with unnecessary surcharges. I got around fine for the most part. You don't need to be so brash.



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3876 posts, RR: 1
Reply 123, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3504 times:

Just watched Anthony Bourdain: Parts Unknown, Koreatown on CNN. Now I know where to eat--- Sizzlers! Anthony Bourdain eating at Sizzlers and Jollibee, who'd have thunk it!

Kinda reminds me of this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o5NweFWjAw



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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5615 posts, RR: 28
Reply 124, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3417 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 117):

Maybe. But Dallas really isn't that much smaller. This time last year I was living in the Stonebriar area of Plano/Frisco, & while it was great for a lot of reasons, getting around to anything not right there was tricky too.

Painfully true, I'm afraid.

My defense mechanism has become to try to live and work in close enough proximity, that i don't have to use a freeway to go anywhere.

But, if I had my way, I would live in Jeff Davis County, Texas... the county the size of Delaware, with 2200 residents. That's more my speed.



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12281 posts, RR: 35
Reply 125, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3417 times:
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I love LA and I went there a few times when I still working in the airline business. However, now being married to a woman who hates that yellow ball in the sun, traffic, and big cities...I think LA is out of the question. Today's a.net photo on Facebook does show my dream job, however..bottom right, just above the bizjet.


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Quoting BN747 (Reply 55):
I wouldn't be caught dead living in Idaho or North Dakota ... and there are scores of people who live there saying the every same. No one shoe fits all.

Heeeey now!  
Quoting Superfly (Reply 94):
No. Driving in LA is not for wusses!

I was the designated driver the first time I went to LA...haha. I guess growing up driving in Europe makes LA not so bad.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 96):
Yes, I'm a Lib who hates Priui!

Haha, love the plural Prius (the word, not the fact there are more than one of those things)



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3876 posts, RR: 1
Reply 126, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 125):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 55):
I wouldn't be caught dead living in Idaho or North Dakota ... and there are scores of people who live there saying the every same. No one shoe fits all.

Heeeey now!  

I've been to Jamestown, the home of the World's Largest Buffalo.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 125):
Today's a.net photo on Facebook does show my dream job, however..bottom right, just above the bizjet.

Will you ticket Southwest pilots for taxiing too fast?



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 127, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3408 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 124):
But, if I had my way, I would live in Jeff Davis County, Texas... the county the size of Delaware, with 2200 residents. That's more my speed.

What part of Dallas did JR Ewing have his ranch?
That seems to be more your speed.



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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10342 posts, RR: 26
Reply 128, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3397 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 124):
My defense mechanism has become to try to live and work in close enough proximity, that i don't have to use a freeway to go anywhere.

That's what I do. My commute used to be 4 miles, no freeways. Then I moved, and now it's 9 miles. Still no freeways, but I still complain about my long commute.  
Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 125):
Today's a.net photo on Facebook does show my dream job, however..bottom right, just above the bizjet.

Every time I see those guys drive past the hill on the runway (going very fast, I might add), I'm a little jealous.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12281 posts, RR: 35
Reply 129, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3395 times:
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Quoting Confuscius (Reply 126):
Will you ticket Southwest pilots for taxiing too fast?
Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 128):
Every time I see those guys drive past the hill on the runway (going very fast, I might add), I'm a little jealous.

I should ask them for a ride along next time I'm in LA  



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User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1412 posts, RR: 3
Reply 130, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3363 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 124):

My defense mechanism has become to try to live and work in close enough proximity, that i don't have to use a freeway to go anywhere.

Yeah, nice work if you can get it.

As I said above, I like more about LA than I don't, and think it's an awesome place. But I sure don't pretend it's convenient. I guess I've conditioned myself to think the 26 (or so) mi to and from work is a "good" deal. I will say that I actually do prefer Fwys to surface roads. Sure there are back ups, but sometimes, even surface roads have maddening tendencies to throw a ton of reds at you.

The best compromise I've yet seen to that are all the frontage roads DFW has. That would be great if we could have that out here.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 124):

But, if I had my way, I would live in Jeff Davis County, Texas... the county the size of Delaware, with 2200 residents. That's more my speed.

I may feel that way one day. I'm just paranoid that living somewhere that small (population I mean) would make me claustraphobic, & I probably couldn't live out that far anyway with the employment situation. But to each their own, right?



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3876 posts, RR: 1
Reply 131, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

I'll be in LA this weekend. Has anyone eaten at Yuca's? It's a small taco shack in Los Feliz. I've read great reviews, it's a James Beard Award winner back in 2005. Also, My Dung Sandwich Shop in Chinatown. It doesn't sound appetizing but it also has good reviews.


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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 132, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3077 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 131):
I'll be in LA this weekend. Has anyone eaten at Yuca's? It's a small taco shack in Los Feliz. I've read great reviews, it's a James Beard Award winner back in 2005. Also, My Dung Sandwich Shop in Chinatown. It doesn't sound appetizing but it also has good reviews.

I go by word-of-mouth vs some critics in these cases... a taco shack however, to me, is just as good as any food truck parked next to a construction site. But this oughta be an interesting experience (not mention how brave you are) to try Dung's. What is a chinese sandwich anyway? This I wanna hear about.

BN747



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15835 posts, RR: 27
Reply 133, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 132):
I go by word-of-mouth vs some critics in these cases... a taco shack however, to me, is just as good as any food truck parked next to a construction site.

Follow the first responders. Any little restaurant with police cars or ambulances in the parking lot (assuming the lights are off) on a regular basis is probably pretty good.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 134, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3047 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 131):
I'll be in LA this weekend.

Will you be staying at The Snooty Fox Motor Inn?

http://www.yelp.com/biz/snooty-fox-motor-inn-los-angeles



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3876 posts, RR: 1
Reply 135, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 134):
Will you be staying at The Snooty Fox Motor Inn?

Nope, a wee bit more upscale hotel on 7th and Hope.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 132):
But this oughta be an interesting experience (not mention how brave you are) to try Dung's. What is a chinese sandwich anyway?

Actually it's a Vietnamese banh mi (sandwich) place. If I go , I'll take the Metro to Union Station and walk to Chinatown. I've been looking at the Metro map and both places (Yuca's and My Dung) are within walking distance from a Metro station.


I may go to MacArthur Park and see if I can buy a couple of green cards. 

And sing...

MacArthur's Park is melting in the dark
All the sweet, green icing flowing down
Someone left the cake out in the rain

I don't think that I can take it
'Cause it took so long to bake it
And I'll never have that recipe again, oh no



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40071 posts, RR: 74
Reply 136, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 135):
I may go to MacArthur Park and see if I can buy a couple of green cards.

...and get free health-care and free driver's license.   

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 135):
And sing...

MacArthur's Park is melting in the dark
All the sweet, green icing flowing down
Someone left the cake out in the rain

I don't think that I can take it
'Cause it took so long to bake it
And I'll never have that recipe again, oh no

Which version? Richard Harris or Donna Summers?



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3876 posts, RR: 1
Reply 137, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3029 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 136):
Which version? Richard Harris or Donna Summers?

Waylon Jennings  

I think this is the best version...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QDHcDtMp5w



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User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 138, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

Just stumbled on this gem:

"I used to like this town...Los Angeles was just a big dry sunny place with ugly homes and no style, but good-hearted and peaceful...Now...we've got the big money, the sharpshooters, the percentage workers, the fast dollar boys, the hoodlums out of New York and Chicago and Detroit—and Cleveland. We've got the flash restaurants and night clubs they run, and the hotels and apartment houses they own, and the grifters and con men and female bandits that live in them. The luxury trades, the pansy decorators, the Lesbian dress designers, the riff-raff of a big hardboiled city with no more personality than a paper cup."

- Philip Marlowe (In Raymond Chandler's book "The Little Sister", 1949)


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 139, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 138):
Just stumbled on this gem:

"I used to like this town...Los Angeles was just a big dry sunny place with ugly homes and no style, but good-hearted and peaceful...Now...we've got the big money, the sharpshooters, the percentage workers, the fast dollar boys, the hoodlums out of New York and Chicago and Detroit—and Cleveland. We've got the flash restaurants and night clubs they run, and the hotels and apartment houses they own, and the grifters and con men and female bandits that live in them. The luxury trades, the pansy decorators, the Lesbian dress designers, the riff-raff of a big hardboiled city with no more personality than a paper cup."

- Philip Marlowe (In Raymond Chandler's book "The Little Sister", 1949)

Too bad the fella lacked Orwellian foresight...

So I'd to know his description of Las Vegas, becuz that's a dead ringer of them today.

..LA has no lesbian designers... they're all men!

BN747



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User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 140, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2914 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 139):
Too bad the fella lacked Orwellian foresight...

So I'd to know his description of Las Vegas, becuz that's a dead ringer of them today.

..LA has no lesbian designers... they're all men!

BN747

Indeed!

I have no idea how accurate his description of LA was in 1949, but when I saw that passage (searching for the definition of a completely unrelated word online) this thread was what I immediately thought of!


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3876 posts, RR: 1
Reply 141, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

I was in L.A. last weekend. I took the Metro Red Line from 7th and Figueroa to Vermont and Sunset. The subway fare was $1.50 regardless of distance traveled. There was à la carte meal service on the train; a couple of people were selling candy bars for $1.00 from their backpacks. I ate lunch at Yuca's in Los Feliz and had brunch the following day at The Farm of Beverly Hills in Beverly Hills.

Mulholland Drive Hollywood Bowl Overlook:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/acetaminophen500mg/mulholland1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/acetaminophen500mg/mulholland2.jpg

[Edited 2013-05-16 13:56:45]


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