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How Is It Fair To Make Me Pass A Road Test Again?  
User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

I'm a student at the University of Arizona in Tucson, though I'm from Milwaukee. I lost my Wisconsin driver's license when I was out partying a few days ago, so I went to the DMV here in Tucson today to get a new one. I waited in line for nearly an hour only to be told afterwards that since I'm from out of state and don't have an active license to show them, I'd need to take a road test again. Mind you, I did have my old driver license on me to show them but they wouldn't accept it since it expired two years ago. How is this fair? I don't want to have to study up for this again and I need an ID for when I go for my flight home in a few weeks. Ridiculous.


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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10035 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3254 times:
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What do you mean, how is that fair? How is it unfair?


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3248 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
I don't want to have to study up for this again and I need an ID for when I go for my flight home in a few weeks. Ridiculous.

If you don't have to drive in Arizona you might be able to get a state ID to use until you can get a replacement driver's license in Wisconsin.



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User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1365 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):

To be perfectly honest, I think the question you're asking is more along the lines of "how is this convenient" than how is it fair.

The objective reality is that you're always responsible to know what the rules are (as in you can't really get out of ticket for that), so in theory you should be able to pass a test on this at any random time.

I agree that it does suck to have to go down to DMV and get a new ID, and wait in line and all that, and if there were a better way, then I'd be for it. But if AZ wants you to know their rules, and won't take WI's word for it (which as two provinces in the same country, they should totally be forced to, but that isn't they way it is), then they have the privilege to do so.



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2986 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
I'm a student at the University of Arizona in Tucson, though I'm from Milwaukee. I lost my Wisconsin driver's license when I was out partying a few days ago, so I went to the DMV here in Tucson today to get a new one. I waited in line for nearly an hour only to be told afterwards that since I'm from out of state and don't have an active license to show them, I'd need to take a road test again. Mind you, I did have my old driver license on me to show them but they wouldn't accept it since it expired two years ago. How is this fair? I don't want to have to study up for this again and I need an ID for when I go for my flight home in a few weeks. Ridiculous.

No reason for another state to recognize another DMV's paperwork, especially if it is expired.

Regardless, if it is anything like CA's test, what do you need to study? I didn't even read the booklet and passed with flying colors at 15 1/2... It's a joke in the United States.



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User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1365 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3223 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 4):
No reason for another state to recognize another DMV's paperwork, especially if it is expired.

Actually, there are few (legal) reasons. Mainly, this is covered by something called the Driver License Compact. It has little bearing here, but it's designed chiefly to prevent those revoked or suspended from getting around that by using other states to issue new licenses.



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11659 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3214 times:

Seems pretty fair to me.

But, in fairness, I had a valid Oregon license in hand when I applied (and received) my California license.

I actually expected California to give me a road test. But, I passed the written test and got my actual CA license.

Your WI license expired two years ago. You now live in AZ. So, you have been breaking the law in all 50 states. And you think you are being treated unfairly? A student in AZ with a VALID WI license is one thing. I can let that slide. But a student in AZ with an EXPIRED WI license is something completely different.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 6):
Your WI license expired two years ago. You now live in AZ. So, you have been breaking the law in all 50 states. And you think you are being treated unfairly?

No he lost a valid WI license and still had an expired one, which the DMV wouldn't honor for obvious reasons.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9393 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

You lost your WI license while you were "out partying". OK, how much blood alcohol did you have?

I guess the AZ DMV did right, as long as they have no way of checking the reason why a license was "lost" to ask for a test.

Which, in the US is piece of cake anyhow. When I remember my NY State test some 40 years ago it was driving around the block, , a broken U-turn and parking the car in reverse. Plus some written test. Mail from Albany came within 2 weeks. Nothing in comparison what a driving test was then and is today in Europe.



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10035 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3122 times:
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Quoting seb146 (Reply 6):
A student in AZ with a VALID WI license is one thing. I can let that slide.

So can the authorities, far as I know. I don't believe students are required to obtain a license for the state in which they're studying. I certainly didn't, nor did anyone else I know.



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User currently offlinetrav110 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 536 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3121 times:

Is there a way you can report it lost without being physically present? There really is no room for fairness in this case, it's just how the system works. Your options are limited to taking the test or driving temporarily without your WI license until you can get a new one.

Do you have your drivers license number memorized in case you get pulled over? Explain to the officer that you are a student from out of state and that you lost your DL, and the only way to get a replacement is to do it in person, which you are going to do as soon as possible. If you have a clean driving record and the cop is reasonable you might get off with a warning, but that's a big *if*, and you're putting yourself in danger of getting fined (although It's probably what I'd do). If you're willing to take that risk, go for it. If not, take the test and move on.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12568 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3101 times:
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Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
How is this fair?

You think it's unfair you have to pass again since you lost your licence after "partying"? In the UK you would most likely have been banned from driving. You get zero sympathy for your stupidity.



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User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3270 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3094 times:

This sounds completely backwards. I had no idea (although never thought about it before) that one States' DMV couldn't talk to another. Here in the UK if you loose your license, you just fill in a form online (or call DVLA, or fill in a form at the Post Office), pay a fee (I think about $30), and they post you a new one. Why on Earth should you retake your practical test just to get a copy of your license? If you loose your degree certificate, do you have to retake your uni exams? Or just ask for a reprint? Crazy!

Can you get a non-drivers ID from AZ? My friend from Minnesota can't drive, but has one of these for ID. You wouldn't need to pass a test to get one of those!



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User currently offlineSmittyone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3039 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
I'm a student at the University of Arizona in Tucson, though I'm from Milwaukee. I lost my Wisconsin driver's license when I was out partying a few days ago, so I went to the DMV here in Tucson today to get a new one. I waited in line for nearly an hour only to be told afterwards that since I'm from out of state and don't have an active license to show them, I'd need to take a road test again. Mind you, I did have my old driver license on me to show them but they wouldn't accept it since it expired two years ago. How is this fair? I don't want to have to study up for this again and I need an ID for when I go for my flight home in a few weeks. Ridiculous.

If your permanent residence is in Milwaukee and you are temporarily a student in AZ, I recommend that you just contact Wisconsin DMV for a replacement license through the mail:

http://www.dot.state.wi.us/drivers/drivers/apply/lost.htm

If you explain your deadline you could probably get it fast. Wisconsin DMV in my experience is pretty good.

[Edited 2013-04-13 04:55:06]

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3039 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 11):
You think it's unfair you have to pass again since you lost your licence after "partying"? In the UK you would most likely have been banned from driving.

By "lost", I'm pretty sure he means "physically misplaced", not that he was stopped for dangerous driving and his license revoked. Banning someone from driving for misplacing something is pretty steep.

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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2979 times:
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If them's the rules then I guess it's fair. It's everyone's responsibility to know what the deal is.


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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2986 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 12):
This sounds completely backwards. I had no idea (although never thought about it before) that one States' DMV couldn't talk to another. Here in the UK if you loose your license, you just fill in a form online (or call DVLA, or fill in a form at the Post Office), pay a fee (I think about $30), and they post you a new one. Why on Earth should you retake your practical test just to get a copy of your license? If you loose your degree certificate, do you have to retake your uni exams? Or just ask for a reprint? Crazy!

I'm assuming that in the UK it is one organization that gives the license. Here, there are fifty different ones...



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User currently offlineSmittyone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 12):
This sounds completely backwards. I had no idea (although never thought about it before) that one States' DMV couldn't talk to another. Here in the UK if you loose your license, you just fill in a form online (or call DVLA, or fill in a form at the Post Office), pay a fee (I think about $30), and they post you a new one. Why on Earth should you retake your practical test just to get a copy of your license? If you loose your degree certificate, do you have to retake your uni exams? Or just ask for a reprint? Crazy!

Can you get a non-drivers ID from AZ? My friend from Minnesota can't drive, but has one of these for ID. You wouldn't need to pass a test to get one of those!

If he's indeed a legal Wisconsin resident temporarily residing in AZ for college, and lost a Wisconsin license, he can get a replacement from Wisconsin (because they have his digital picture etc. in their computer).

Unless there is more to it, this entire issue may be a nothing burger caused by OP making the mistake of talking to Arizona's DMV to begin with.


User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2912 times:

I had this happen to me when I was I college. Just have WI issue a replacement DL, you don't even have to call because you can do it online. They will send it to your parents address and jsut have your parents overnight it to you.

You made this much harder than it needed to be.


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2190 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 18):
I had this happen to me when I was I college. Just have WI issue a replacement DL, you don't even have to call because you can do it online. They will send it to your parents address and jsut have your parents overnight it to you.

You made this much harder than it needed to be.

  

I'm not exactly sure why you thought the AZ DMW would be able to replace your WI drivers license. They thought you were trying to obtain a new AZ DL with an expired WI card, which obviously they won't just freely give you.


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11659 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
he lost a valid WI license and still had an expired one

That was not how I read it, but I understand ANY state will not accept an expired license period. Which is how it should be. And, if AZ took his valid WI license, they probably had good reason. It's his own fault. I also think if he goes back to WI to get a valid license, they will probably either tell him no or make it severely limited, depending on why it was taken in the first place.

He could go to AZ DMV and get a state issued identification card. Not valid for driving. Not that it stops anyone.



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 20):
That was not how I read it, but I understand ANY state will not accept an expired license period. Which is how it should be. And, if AZ took his valid WI license, they probably had good reason. It's his own fault. I also think if he goes back to WI to get a valid license, they will probably either tell him no or make it severely limited, depending on why it was taken in the first place.

OP didn't have his licence revoked, he physically misplaced it, but had his old expired licence to show the DMV (with details like licence number, dob, etc.), and hoped he could use that instead of his physically misplaced licence to get an AZ licence.

It's funny how using 'lost' gets misinterpreted so quickly. My cousin came home one day after going out, telling people he lost his licence. Everyone just silently judged him for drink driving or dangerous driving. It took 2 weeks (when his licence came in the mail) before anyone realized he meant misplaced it.

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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12568 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2868 times:
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Quoting Mir (Reply 14):
By "lost", I'm pretty sure he means "physically misplaced", not that he was stopped for dangerous driving and his license revoked.

He'll need to clarify that, but the way he said he lost his licence after partying led me (and others) to the conclusion he was done for DUI. If that is the case, then I unreservedly withdraw my comment.

Quoting Mir (Reply 14):
Banning someone from driving for misplacing something is pretty steep.

Well, yes that would be.  



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2856 times:

If you don't need to drive get an ID card and get a new license in Wisconsin. If you do need to drive depending on the laws of the state as long as you have a valid license you should be ok if stopped by the cops give them the ID, tell them you lost your drivers license a few days ago and with all your info they should be able to look it up? I might be completely wrong here though so I would call the Arizona Highway Patrol and ask.

Or just take the stupid test, whether it is a driving and written test or just one of the two. If you can't pass it very easily you should not be driving to begin with. Driving test in the U.S. are an absolute joke and I wish there were highway standards and higher fees to pay.



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Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

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25 seb146 : Even if this were the case, AZ has a valid point. Why should they accept an expired, out of state license as proof of anything? Would WI accept an ex
26 TheCommodore : How is it unfair ? In Australia, you would be enjoying a period of license cancellation, a criminal record, and a VERY steep fine as well as having t
27 Post contains images Ken777 : It's really not that hard to take the test. Read the little book and take the test. By now you should be able to pass the actual driving test with no
28 GuitrThree : When I was out of state going to college, I had a DL and paid for a second copy of my DL. That way, if I was out getting drunk, or for any reason, and
29 IllinoisMan : Study up? For a drivers test? You're kidding, right? Skim through the drivers manual, you're a college kid. This ought to be a breeze.
30 mke717spotter : I know I shouldn't be driving around or actively using an expired ID, but why shouldn't I still be able to use it as proof that I've passed a road te
31 Post contains links Flighty : Maybe you should have a passport. Anyway, to fly, that is a different issue. Legally, you need not show ID at all. It is just a "policy" IIRC. An expi
32 zckls04 : That was my thought. Too late now of course, but it's always good to have two forms of ID in case of emergency. Dunno about AZ but the driver's test
33 Post contains images flanker : Study for a drivers license test? Are you kidding? It's like 25 common sense questions at most and 25 to 30$ .. that varies with states of course. If
34 StarAC17 : You get a criminal charge in Australia for losing the license card which is what happened here, I highly doubt it. The OP didn't commit any crime he
35 vikkyvik : If you only have an expired license, who knows why you don't have a current one. Maybe it was revoked or something. You can drive out-of-state on a l
36 Polot : It doesn't. Going to a school out of state is not the same as legally moving to and becoming a resident of that state, and most states won't recogniz
37 seb146 : So any person who gets a DUI and has their license suspended should just be able to walk into any DMV and get a new license? I am all for authorities
38 Goldenshield : Whoop de doo! Don't be cocky just because you got it on the first try without looking. Others aren't blessed with your superior intellect. Plus, CA's
39 Post contains images mke717spotter : I went back to the DMV to take the test today, and I passed!!! (again)
40 Post contains images Stabilator : Sensationalist statements as usual. He physically misplaced it, he wasn't drinking/driving. It isn't a crime here to misplace your license. Kinda sho
41 Post contains images TheCommodore : Evidently I'm not the only one who "misunderstood" the OP ! Go back through the other posts to see the confusion ! And no, its not a criminal offense
42 Geezer : You passed the test again..........who's test ? Are you saying you now have an Arizona operator's license ? If so, you just got out of one trick bag,
43 Braniff747SP : Superior intellect? On an internet forum? Very funny. That one made me laugh....
44 bhill : So you did a really dumb thing and your license was suspended for poor judgement skills and you are pissed at the DMV? Right.... And you need to study
45 doug_Or : I may sound like a jerk, but perhaps you should read the thread before replying.
46 DeltaMD90 : Kinda sucks but meh, I wouldn't lose sleep over it. I don't see it as unfair, it's just life. And griping about it on a.net is a little extreme IMO bu
47 Post contains links FlyDeltaJets : What you should have done was requested a replacement WI licence and then once you received that in the mail you could have traded it in for the AZ on
48 RIXrat : After 16 years of living in Europe, I settled in Arizona. When I showed up at the local DMV and showed them my EU drivers licence, the clerk went into
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