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Need A New MacBook, Air Or Retina Pro?  
User currently offlinekl838 From Netherlands Antilles, joined Oct 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

Currently in Singapore and my 4 year old MacBook Pro trackpad suddenly goes erratic clicking by itself and opening widows etc. Tried everything to fix it, but I have decided to show it to Apple when I get back to Liverpool on Wednesday. As a university student, I basically need a computer ASAP, so I know I need to buy a new MacBook, question is which one? I like the portability of the air, but I am worried that it might be underpowered. I basically know everything there is to Macs, as I used to sell them, but the problem is I can't decide, therefore I am asking all of you for your opinions. I know Klaus is the Apple expert on this site, but would still like some other opinions.


One more thing, should I buy the computer from Singapore or in the UK? Not sure whether I have to pay duty etc if I do buy it here in Singapore,


P.S: I don't want to buy windows, I absolutely detest Windows 8.

Thanks for your help!!

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User currently onlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8706 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

I think we must have nearly the same laptop. Have you checked whether or not the battery in yours (should be exchangeable) is bulging due to its age? Due to its location, it could interfere with the trackpad in that case.


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User currently offlinekl838 From Netherlands Antilles, joined Oct 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

I haven't checked, but that could be it as my battery is over 1000 cycles, I don't have any of my screwdrivers to check, plus I don't have the time to check either as I am leaving Tuesday night. My parents told me to get a new one and just repair the old one when I reach Liverpool as I will give it to my mom to use when I head back to SXM for the summer. Plus given its age and that I have had to replace my hard drive cable and that my SD card reader doesn't work either, I think it's about time I get a new one.

User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3533 times:

Timely thread as I too am considering getting a new Mac. I am seriously considering it. But understand Apple may be comiing out with the new line soon/eventually lol

underpowered vis a vis what you have now? Im sure you know the differences are lack of cd drive in Air. Is that an issue for you in this cloud based, download movies world we are entering in?

Can you buy the one that you can best afford? : ie. MBP retina perhaps ? 13" or 15"?

I have read that the 13" MBAir has a better screen resolution than the 13" MC Pro Non Retina. Slightly.

Do you need all those ports?

I too am undecided. But they both run the Adobe CS series 6 softwares quite fine, so either one would be powered enough I imagine (for me). Me I don't feel I need the Retina, it's fine enough without it for my needs.

Curious to hear others as well.


User currently offlinekl838 From Netherlands Antilles, joined Oct 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

I think the CD drive is useless, I have not used mine on my 15 inch Pro, but the current specs are 2.53ghz dual core processor, 500gb hdd and 4gb RAM.

What also makes it confusing is the fact that I like the size of the 11 inch Air as well, considering the 15 inch I have right now is a brick and I have been basically flying around the world with it for the last 4 years. If you say the Air can run CS6 them the Air can't be underpowered for me, I run some games, music, videos, pictures etc. Still,not sure what to do, as the amount of flash memory I want is 256gb and the prices of the 13 inch air is the same as the 13 inch retina pro if not less.

If you are wondering why I am not considering the normal pro, it's cuz it's just too heavy and I have no use for the Cd drive.


11 inch Air

Pros:

Super light
Slightly cheaper
Flash storage
Easy to carry

Cons:
Delicate
Might be too small
Might struggle with heavier tasks
More expensive for larger flash storage
Will be changed later this year

13 Inch Air

Pros:
Light
Standard screen size
Decent power
Flash
Easy to carry


Cons:
Similar priced to Retina 13
Delicate
More expensive for larger flash storage
Will be charged this year

Retina 13

Pros:
Beautiful display
Good size
Faster more powerful
HDMI built in
Not much changes expected this year

Cons:
More expensive
Heavier
More expensive for larger flash storage


This is a quick pro con list I came up with feel free to let ,e know what to add and remove from this
I am thinking now I might lean toward the retina 13, but not too sure yet.


User currently onlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8706 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3508 times:

Quoting kl838 (Reply 2):
I don't have any of my screwdrivers to check

OK, in that case we don't have the same thing - I don't need any tools to remove the battery from my laptop.

Here's what I would do: buy a 13 inch MB Pro and replace the conventional hard disk with an aftermarket SDD (much cheaper than what Apple charge). Then, remove the optical drive, mount the original hard disk in a frame and put that assembly in the space where the optical drive used to be. It is, of course, fiddly, but absolutely manageable.

I, too, rarely ever used the optical drive in my laptop and now it just sits in its own external case, waiting for the two or three times per year that I do actually need it. I have an SSD for all software plus my photos and documents and then a conventional 1 TB HDD in the optical drive bay. This combines speed - 30 seconds from power on to fully ready - and space at the lowest possible price.



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3498 times:

Quoting kl838 (Reply 4):

11'' Air is tiny, plus the most memory one can configure on it is 128GB if I remember correctly--practically useless if it is going to be your main machine.

Quoting kl838 (Reply 4):
Retina 13

No comparison to the rest that you posted. The superior machine in any case.

Quoting kl838 (Reply 4):
Not much changes expected this year

Not true. All are fully expected to receive Haswell this year, likely in a few months.



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User currently offlineTheSultanOfWing From El Salvador, joined Dec 2012, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3474 times:

I am the owner of an MBA 13" 500 Gb hard drive, about half a year old now.

Very happy with it, it fulfills all my needs and I love the lightweight.....with a leather sleeve for travelling the fragile side of the machine has not caused me any problems whatsoever!

If you travel a lot.......MBA, I'd say.
If you basically set up in 1 location most of the time.....go MBP.

It is expensive though, I have the full spec MBA....and even buying it in the USA you're talking US$ 2 grant!

Ciao!



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User currently offlinekl838 From Netherlands Antilles, joined Oct 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

After looking at your opinions, I have decided that I will go for the higher spec Retina 13, just because it has the 256gb flash, and I won't be able to customize and get it delivered I'm time. Therefore I need to get the standard offering either the high (2.6 ghz, 256gb flash) or low spec (2.5 ghz, 128gb), should be getting it tomorrow, and should set me back about S$2,288.

What I told most of my customers when they asked me about newer model apple products, I just tell them that there is always a new model, and if you need it just get it. So waiting is not an option as I have assignments to complete as much as I like waiting for the newer retina pros. What is the main difference with the next model, does anyone know? Are these processors vastly superior or just faster?

I managed to get a screw driver to check whether the battery is swollen, and it is fine, even though needs to be replaced soon, as I am only getting about 3 hours life and it has about 1100 cycles on it. This leads me to believe its an issue with the trackpad itself and needs to be replaced. As Apple has done that for many and problem was solved.

I think the Retina 13 will be perfect because I travel about every 4 months, it's light yet powerful and not as delicate. Will update you tomorrow whether I get it or change my mind.


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

Quoting kl838 (Reply 8):
What is the main difference with the next model, does anyone know? Are these processors vastly superior or just faster?

Not a huge improvement; it'll be faster, probably cooler, and better battery life... it's a 'tock' in the Intel lineup, so it'll be considerably better, but that could be said for anything newer. Ivy Bridge is blazing fast anyway.

If you needed now, get it now... If one can wait six months, one doesn't *need* it. There is always a better thing around the corner, so if one wants to wait he'll never get a computer. Hell, Broadwell (and even Skylake, and towards the end of the decade, Skymont) are known to be in development--you could wait for those, but by that time there'd be two more iterations in development.

And it's not like the current computer becomes worse with the upgrade.



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User currently offlinekl838 From Netherlands Antilles, joined Oct 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3338 times:

Okay guys, here is a quick update, I decided to order my retina pro from the UK as I will get a student discount, and now after about a few days, my macbook pros trackpad suddenly is working again. I have no idea what to do, if I should cancel it or not because my apple care has dispatched, which means the computer will be dispatched shortly.

User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

I'd just sell the older one. Make sure the person you sell it to knows there was a trackpad issue. Could they use it with external mouse only?

You should have no problems selling a used one. Since you obviously could afford the 'best', why cancel it at this point?

Could also test the retina out, see if it's really 'that much better' at this time, if no huge noticeable differece, return the retina and wait to see what apple comes up with. What I have read, and I am no expert at all on apple prods, is that apple has stronger pressure this year to come up with something newer in terms of mac books as the style/design really hasn't changed much in several years. Who really knows though.

[Edited 2013-04-16 00:18:40]

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3290 times:

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 11):
What I have read, and I am no expert at all on apple prods, is that apple has stronger pressure this year to come up with something newer in terms of mac books as the style/design really hasn't changed much in several years.

Apple has always kept the same external appearance across multiple generations of Macs and "only" updated the internals until they could really gain major improvements.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro

The MacBook Pro series has seen pretty much only two and a half enclosure designs thus far:
• The design of the aluminium PowerBooks (introduced in 2003) was kept identically for the first MacBook Pros (starting in 2006).
• It was succeeded by the Unibody design in 2008 which is still being used today.
• The Retina MacBook Pro (2012) uses the same Unibody design, just with again reduced thickness.

Apart from some of the more hyperventilating analysts who have never understood anything anyway, pretty much nobody sees any urgency for Apple to change their notebook design again.

My 2006 MacBook Pro still doesn't look dated today, and I definitely prefer a clean, no-nonsense design over superficially flashy enclosures which look shabby and outdated after a few months of use already.


User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3262 times:

well orange would be nice..

User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

Quoting kl838 (Reply 10):

Okay guys, here is a quick update, I decided to order my retina pro from the UK as I will get a student discount, and now after about a few days, my macbook pros trackpad suddenly is working again. I have no idea what to do, if I should cancel it or not because my apple care has dispatched, which means the computer will be dispatched shortly.

You could always return it, but once you look at a retina you won't give it back.

Sell the old one off.



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User currently offlinejagflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3225 times:

I would be very hesitant to buy the Air (and even any Apple laptop after my past experience) due to the screen sizes offered being too small (11 and 13 inch are too hard on the eyes for me if it is going to be my main laptop) and secondly because of the computer being so thin/small I don't think it would stand up to everyday wear as a portable machine. I once owned a MacBook Pro (the 2007 model) and it was significantly more beefy but the CD drive and then the motherboard managed to crap out.


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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12468 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3216 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 6):
plus the most memory one can configure on it is 128GB if I remember correctly--practically useless if it is going to be your main machine.

128GB memory useless???

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 9):

Not a huge improvement; it'll be faster, probably cooler, and better battery life... it's a 'tock' in the Intel lineup, so it'll be considerably better, but that could be said for anything newer. Ivy Bridge is blazing fast anyway.

Haswell has an improvement called transactional memory that should be important for multi-core applications, but I too wouldn't wait for it, because next will be Broadwell, and so on ...



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User currently offlineqantas077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3214 times:

I just purchased a Macbook Pro 13 (non retina display) and it's fabulous. I couldn't really justify the extra $500 for features I'll never use so the pro 13 suites me fine. I have 2 laptops, Ipad, Iphone and a few other gadgets that make my room seem like an electronics shop.


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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3198 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 16):
128GB memory useless???

If it's going to be your main machine, yes, useless. What can you store?



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8227 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

If you're a student then I would look to your major. Heavy on math or science then the MacBook Pro is probably the best bet. Is there any way you an use a mouse with your current MacBook? There is talk of a refresh in June at the developers conference, which might be of interest.

I use an old MacBook from Mid 2009, but the wife has a new 13" MacBook Air. I consider it about as solid as my MacBook - carved out of blocks of aluminum just like the MacBook Pro.

Quoting kl838 (Reply 4):
Still,not sure what to do, as the amount of flash memory I want is 256gb and the prices of the 13 inch air is the same as the 13 inch retina pro if not less.


I had to smile at that - my first computer came with 16Kb of memory and I upgraded it with a 48Kb cartridge. The tape deck was also extra.


User currently offlinekl838 From Netherlands Antilles, joined Oct 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3147 times:

I have decided to keep the retina, and on my AF flight to Paris, ended up sitting next to an Apple Genius and he basically said the trackpad issue will return as the entire sensor is faulty. So I am basically going to fix my older one and give it to my parents. Now just waiting for delivery, and need to decide on a sleeve or case to carry it in!! Thanks for the help, was interesting to see what everyone had to say.

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 18):
If it's going to be your main machine, yes, useless. What can you store?

I agree, as the OS will take up a considerable amount of room, and you are left with nothing.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12468 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3125 times:

Quoting kl838 (Reply 20):
I have decided to keep the retina, and on my AF flight to Paris, ended up sitting next to an Apple Genius and he basically said the trackpad issue will return as the entire sensor is faulty.

Amazing - Apple knew you had an issue with a trackpad so they seated a tech next to you on your next flight! What service!

Quoting kl838 (Reply 20):
Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 18):
If it's going to be your main machine, yes, useless. What can you store?

I agree, as the OS will take up a considerable amount of room, and you are left with nothing.

So you folks are referring to disk storage as 'memory'?



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 21):
So you folks are referring to disk storage as 'memory'?

Yes, as many people do... Excuse my parlance.

RAM can be variable on the Air, anywhere from 2 to 4... Maybe you can configure 8 now, I have no idea.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Quoting kl838 (Reply 20):
I agree, as the OS will take up a considerable amount of room, and you are left with nothing.

It's really not that bad – particularly when you kick out support for unneeded languages and other optional and unneeded components. It can make a difference of multiple gigabytes.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 21):
Amazing - Apple knew you had an issue with a trackpad so they seated a tech next to you on your next flight! What service!

Neat! 
 

Quoting Revelation (Reply 21):
So you folks are referring to disk storage as 'memory'?

Well, it's not actually "disk" storage any more with a MacBook Air (or most other MacBook models) – it's just a different kind of chips by now.

I think it's best to differentiate between working memory (RAM) and persistent storage (flash / harddisk).


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12468 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 22):
Yes, as many people do... Excuse my parlance.

And please excuse my confusion.

Most people at work have issues with 4G main memory because they more or less have to run windows in a virtual machine to get their jobs done. 8G is much more workable, especially if you have the newest models with the Ivy Bridge CPU to chew through the virtual machine overhead as well as move its memory around.

As for disk storage, I'd agree 128G is not that comfortable, but it's still hard to understand why the OS would want a large fraction of that. As mentioned above, it seems the most affordable storage is to use the 128G for the OS and apps, and put in a traditional hard disk in the optical bay. Either that, or use a lot of cloud storage, which also is what happens a lot at work.



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3094 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 24):
As for disk storage, I'd agree 128G is not that comfortable, but it's still hard to understand why the OS would want a large fraction of that. As mentioned above, it seems the most affordable storage is to use the 128G

It's not a large fraction, but if it is your main machine with images/files/music/etc that'll fill up fast.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 24):
traditional hard disk in the optical bay

Can't do with the Air, but great to do on the standard Pro.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 24):
8G is much more workable, especially if you have the newest models with the Ivy Bridge CPU to chew through the virtual machine overhead as well as move its memory around.

Agreed. My Ivy Bridge MBP with 4GB when in Bootcamp--Windows 7 Ultimate--could use the extra 4GB... OS X runs much better with 4GB. If I was running virtual machine it'd need it or it be practically unusable.

On that note, I should into the upgrade. It's not much.



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User currently onlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5386 posts, RR: 53
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3075 times:

As loathe as I am to post here...

My wife is in a similar position. She has a 6 year old 15" MacBook Pro that's starting to get a little long in the tooth. It's been upgraded to Snow Leopard and now has 3 GB of RAM, but Student Stores is doing a faculty/staff event this week where I can get one for the educational rate plus an additional discount. The following models/configurations are available. Should she upgrade or hold onto her current system - the system really needs a new battery but beyond that it still runs fairly solidly. The main holdback to buying a new system for her is price and the lack of user serviceability/upgrade ability in the newer MacBooks (impossible to add additional RAM, pop the battery out, etc.) and the lack of an optical drive in some models.

(in all instances the specs are screen size/processor speed/RAM/storage)

MacBook Pro with Retina Display
MD212LL/A - 13.3/2.5/8GB/128GB
ME662LL/A - 13.3/2.6/8GB/256GB
ME664LL/A - 15.4/2.4/8GB/256GB
ME665LL/A - 15.4/2.7/16GB/512GB

MacBook Pro

MD101LL/A - 13.3/2.5/2x2GB/500
MD102LL/A - 13.3/2.9/2x4GB/750
MD103LL/A - 15.4/2.3/2x2GB/500

MacBook Air

MD223LL/A - 11.6/1.7/4/64
MD224LL/A - 11.6/1.7/4/128
MD231LL/A - 13.3/1.8/4/128
MD232LL/A - 13.3/1.8/4/256



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3064 times:

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 26):
The main holdback to buying a new system for her is price and the lack of user serviceability/upgrade ability in the newer MacBooks (impossible to add additional RAM, pop the battery out, etc.) and the lack of an optical drive in some models.

If that's the case just get a standard cMBP and forget the Retina.

It's still a fantastic computer.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 53
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3066 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 25):
It's not a large fraction, but if it is your main machine with images/files/music/etc that'll fill up fast.

For many people (myself included): yes.

But not everybody has large amounts of data, so if someone really knows (s)he'll never likely need much space, one of the smaller capacities is still an option. But even then I'd get at least double of what I'd project my likely usage to be, because things can change. And the bigger storage options aren't really that expensive when viewed over the entire lifetime of the machine.

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 25):
If I was running virtual machine it'd need it or it be practically unusable.

That depends as well. I'm using my old 2006 MBP with just 3GB of RAM (the maximum it supports) with a VM on top of the regular system most of the time, and it performs fine. The new SSD is more of a factor there for most purposes, although of course it depends on what exactly you're doing.

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 26):
Should she upgrade or hold onto her current system - the system really needs a new battery but beyond that it still runs fairly solidly. The main holdback to buying a new system for her is price and the lack of user serviceability/upgrade ability in the newer MacBooks (impossible to add additional RAM, pop the battery out, etc.) and the lack of an optical drive in some models.

I've swapped out the battery on my 2006 MBP last year for the first time. And had it had an internal battery it would not have made a difference for that: I'd just ordered the new battery ahead of time at my local store (not a direct Apple Store) and I'd just have had a coffee while the battery was swapped by a technician. Given that the internal batteries in the newer MacBooks have substantially better performance I would actually have preferred that. And the price would have been comparable as well.

As to the optical drive: I've always felt the optical drives in my MBP and in my iMac to be a waste of space and weight since I may have used them less than ten times all together in over 6 and over 3 years, respectively. An external optical drive would have been much more practical for me.

Especially the larger 512GB SSDs in the MacBook Air and Retina MacBook Pro are very fast; I would not get a new computer with only a mechanical harddisk any more. Even in my old MBP the old harddisk had been the main bottleneck, not the CPU.

Since display resolution has always been a major factor for me, I'd probably get a 15" Retina MacBook Pro for myself if I needed a new machine right now.

And since it is available with 16GB of RAM right away, I would not feel constrained there either (once the bigger RAM chips are affordable enough, a 32GB version – the maximum the CPUs even support – is likely to follow, maybe together with the new Haswell CPUs).

I'm pretty sure your wife would in fact love one of the new machines, particularly the Retina MacBook Pros with their slim and light body and their incredibly clear and clean display. But it may also be a viable upgrade to swap a new battery and an SSD into the old machine; It depends a lot on what her priorities are. One option might even be to upgrade the old machine for the interim and then sell or give it away to a new user when Apple eventually presents the next upgrade (probably this autumn).


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 53
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3058 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 27):
If that's the case just get a standard cMBP and forget the Retina.

It's still a fantastic computer.

If you get an SSD with the "classic" MacBook Pro (and this is by very far the most performance-determining component), it's actually more expensive than the Retina model. Most people don't really need an internal optical drive any more (an external USB drive "just in case" will be plenty – and I wouldn't be surprised if it would just be gathering dust in a drawer somewhere in most cases); Nor is RAM above 16GB really a factor for most users.

I would really not recommend the old model any more, except if there are really exceptional reasons for it (it also has an internal battery already).


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12468 posts, RR: 25
Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3045 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 28):
I'm using my old 2006 MBP with just 3GB of RAM (the maximum it supports) with a VM on top of the regular system most of the time, and it performs fine.

What's running in that VM, FreeDOS?  

Corporate mandate here is use of Windows7+Outlook+Word+PPT, and that doesn't even run well natively in 3MB, never mind as a guest....



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 53
Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3042 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 30):
What's running in that VM, FreeDOS?

Nope. Mac OS X 10.6.8, because I still have a few PowerPC-only applications I occasionally need, and the Rosetta emulation is no longer supported in the newer OS X releases.

Performance is near-native, since they are not very graphics-intensive.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 30):
Corporate mandate here is use of Windows7+Outlook+Word+PPT, and that doesn't even run well natively in 3MB, never mind as a guest....

Well, 3 Megabytes is in fact a bit cramped for semi-recent OS versions...!   


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12468 posts, RR: 25
Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 31):
Well, 3 Megabytes is in fact a bit cramped for semi-recent OS versions...!

LOL, you caught me out!  

In my defense, I'll state that my whole university ran on a IBM S/370-168 with 1MB of memory (one million characters, in IBM-speak) when I got there in 1980, and then upgraded to an IBM 3081 with 8MB of memory some where around 1982. In both cases, that was half the maximum capacity, my university wouldn't spring for the extra!

By 1990 I was an IBM employee, and we were using an IBM 3084 (i.e. quad processor version of 3081) running AIX (IBM's UNIX) just to be our email and word processing host! My workstation was an IBM PS/2 Model 70 running AIX with - you guessed it - 3MB of main memory!

Our software development host was a 3090, and it had the massive total of 30 GB in its disk farm. That was so much at the time that I had to write a script to do the math and still didn't believe we had access to that much storage!

Thus my reaction to the idea of 128GB storage (dynamic or persistent) not being enough...



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User currently offlineMrCazzy From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

Between the air and pro the only real difference is size, and a disk drive. I currently have the MacBook Pro and love it. With the air I did not want to sacrifice size for memory and disk space. If you travel constantly it would be a good computer (the air)

User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 29):

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 27):
If that's the case just get a standard cMBP and forget the Retina.

It's still a fantastic computer.

If you get an SSD with the "classic" MacBook Pro (and this is by very far the most performance-determining component), it's actually more expensive than the Retina model.

...If you buy it from Apple, of course. No reason to ever buy any upgradeable components from Apple.

Notwithstanding that SSDs, while fantastic, are not vital.



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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

I thought the advantage (reason?) of not having a large storage was that many people are moving to / projected to move to cloud based storage. Many service providers provide that now. Granted its wise to back things up elsewhere, but even if you had a larger storage space, it would be wise to back up elsewhere.

User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 35):
thought the advantage (reason?) of not having a large storage was that many people are moving to / projected to move to cloud based storage. Many service providers provide that now. Granted its wise to back things up elsewhere, but even if you had a larger storage space, it would be wise to back up elsewhere.

Indeed true, but that doesn't work for some. I, for example, often have to spend time far away from any internet networks on my computer; because of this, I have some large files downloaded---like the entirety of the English Wikipedia, all four million pages--that I cannot dispense with and are only possible with large disk space.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12468 posts, RR: 25
Reply 37, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 35):
I thought the advantage (reason?) of not having a large storage was that many people are moving to / projected to move to cloud based storage.

My employer is pushing people that way with moderate amounts of success.

The nice thing from the end user's perspective is a better sense that the data is being backed up correctly and is available at all our facilities. However, in reality, the company already did an excellent job with backups (at least for Windows clients, they never officially supported Mac and Linux) and connectivity.



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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 37):
My employer is pushing people that way with moderate amounts of success.

The nice thing from the end user's perspective is a better sense that the data is being backed up correctly and is available at all our facilities. However, in reality, the company already did an excellent job with backups (at least for Windows clients, they never officially supported Mac and Linux) and connectivity.

I mean, on a business sense, would this not be the same thing as having all your files on the Server? I have worked inn compannies where we really did not access our "c' drive. We could for personal things I guess, but for the most part, all shared drives and our own drives where docs were stored were on the server and not on the C drive.

I'm just assuming for solo users, the Cloud ,whether thru apple or amazon or whoever, is basically your own server in the sky. And is always backed up and ready for you, wherever you are. You also have the option to download your docs to your own personal storage (cd or etc). These computers with smaller internal storage are a choice, and if one needs larger storage, there are other options. Much like the Chromebooks. Low storage, cloud based. I would get the Air for the lightness, the SSD, as it seems to travel better. I run my Adobe CS6 on my Sony Vaio FJ xxxx 16.4" that I bought in 2010. It runs great but i would imagine CS6 being able to run on a new Macbook air quite well, or at least I would hope vs. a 3.5 year old machine.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12468 posts, RR: 25
Reply 39, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 38):
I mean, on a business sense, would this not be the same thing as having all your files on the Server?

Pretty much. With cloud storage it scales up a lot better (so think of one big shared drive for an entire enterprise instead of countless smaller shared drives) and can perform better (it can migrate data to servers closer to the user on the fly while keeping that data consistent across the enterprise).

The rest of your comments are spot on.

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 38):
It runs great but i would imagine CS6 being able to run on a new Macbook air quite well, or at least I would hope vs. a 3.5 year old machine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Vaio_FJ would indicate that this machine uses chips of the "Core" generation:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/IntelProcessorRoadmap-3.svg/960px-IntelProcessorRoadmap-3.svg.png

so, yeah, that Sony is four tick-tocks behind the current state of the art (which is Ivy Bridge), and a lot of the new things are ones that Adobe can use to its advantage.

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Tick-Tock



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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2947 times:

Hey thanks for that, I was curious how my machine stacked up vs, the newer ones . the Sony still has not let ne down and runs great, but I know it'll be obsolete with newer softwares. It still has vista and cannot run Adobe Edge. But runs the other ones I need quite well, although Im positive they will be much much faster with a new Mac.

User currently offlinekl838 From Netherlands Antilles, joined Oct 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Just got an email from Apple, and my Macbook Pro is on its way from Shanghai, I received my Apple Care booklet in the mail yesterday! Cant wait till its here, should be here by the 24th! So far my older macbook pro is working without a single issue though even though i got scared it nearly went back to its erratic ways!

Quoting Revelation (Reply 21):
Amazing - Apple knew you had an issue with a trackpad so they seated a tech next to you on your next flight! What service!

Haha, I almost thought that for a second, when he told me that, it is so weird what are the chances that two Apple guys would end up sitting next to each other on a plane? Granted I worked for a Reseller and not Apple themselves, but pretty close!


User currently offlinekl838 From Netherlands Antilles, joined Oct 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

I finally got my macbook pro, and i absolutely love it, the size is perfect! It is not too small or too light, and the display is BEAUTIFUL. Comparing it to my old pro, it just makes it look big and heavy, and not to mention its so much faster. Compared it to my friend's 13 inch air, and it is smaller as the air is wider and longer. Thanks for the help again!

User currently offlinekl838 From Netherlands Antilles, joined Oct 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

Here is an update about the Macbook Pro Retina 13, I noticed today that my Apple logo was glowing slightly pink and compared to my friend's Air the screen had a red tint. So I contacted Apple Care and after trying to change some settings around, they finally decided to send me a brand new one and are scheduling a pick up for this one. They also are going to reimburse me as I have a screen protector and a palm guard on it that if removed will pretty much be useless. If anyone gets a retina display do check, as I didn't notice it until my computer was next to my friend's Air.

All in all, I am happy, wasn't pissed off that I got a defected piece and I am continuously impressed by Apple's service.


User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 44, posted (1 year 4 months 3 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

Quoting kl838 (Reply 43):
wasn't pissed off that I got a defected piece

I would at the inflated price Apple charge but each to their own.



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (1 year 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

Quoting gingersnap (Reply 44):

Quoting kl838 (Reply 43):
wasn't pissed off that I got a defected piece

I would at the inflated price Apple charge but each to their own.

As would I--if Apple didn't make it right, which they normally do.

Although I still stay: several years and Apple products later, I've never had a problem that couldn't be fixed by a visit to the Genius Bar, and that's only been a couple of times.



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4783 posts, RR: 26
Reply 46, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2496 times:
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Quoting kl838 (Reply 43):
Here is an update about the Macbook Pro Retina 13, I noticed today that my Apple logo was glowing slightly pink and compared to my friend's Air the screen had a red tint. So I contacted Apple Care and after trying to change some settings around, they finally decided to send me a brand new one and are scheduling a pick up for this one. They also are going to reimburse me as I have a screen protector and a palm guard on it that if removed will pretty much be useless. If anyone gets a retina display do check, as I didn't notice it until my computer was next to my friend's Air.

I purchased an open box 13 inch MacBook Pro Retina (my first Mac) two weeks ago and I love it. Good thing I just read this because I've wondered if my screen was slightly off and needed calibration. Turns out this computers history includes a screen replacement so I will look into that.

Amazing machine.

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 38):
It runs great but i would imagine CS6 being able to run on a new Macbook air quite well, or at least I would hope vs. a 3.5 year old machine.

CS6 works like a charm. Opening the program is instantaneous! On my 3 year old Alienware desktop, CS6 can take a good 10-15 seconds to load. Saving large files can take a while too. But the MacBook Pro handles it very well.



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User currently offlinekl838 From Netherlands Antilles, joined Oct 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

Quoting gingersnap (Reply 44):
I would at the inflated price Apple charge but each to their own.

The level of service I received was great, and they made sure it was corrected immediately, but it can be frustrating to deal with problems like this. Since Apple handled it very well, it pretty much satisfied me that I am still getting a new build with Express shipping within a week or so. I was getting worried they would require me to bring it in, but this is definitely the best customer service I have received from any computer company.

I previously owned an HP, and it was hell trying to get things fixed with them, and I paid a similar price that I did for this Macbook Pro and my previous Pro as well. That laptop barely lasted 3 years reliably, there was constantly an issue and they refused to give me a new machine. Never again will I buy an HP product, they are the reason I switched to Apple and I will never look back.


User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2673 posts, RR: 9
Reply 48, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

I have a 15" Retina Pro, my sixth (I think?) Mac. By far the best machine I've ever owned (and yeah, the price tag hurt, but I feel like you get what you pay for, which I don't feel like you get when you spend the same amount on a high-end non-Mac). The screen is nothing short of incredible compared to the older models. You'll love your retina.

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