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Windows 8- Apparently, Not Worth It  
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7968 posts, RR: 19
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

Well Windows 8 was released with a lot of hype...but recent articles which have crossed my eyes have said that Windows 8 has been branded a "failure" as PC shipments are lowest in 20 years.......

And for a youngster like me, 20 years is a damn long time. Hell I don't even remember anyone in my family having a computer 20 years ago;.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/45...indows-8-blamed-pc-sales-slump.htm

Apparently the interface is seen as cluttered and too complex to use, especially for those who are already really accustomed to the old way that Microsoft organized things in previous operating system layouts.

I dumped Micro-shaft (lol) in 2010 and went for Mac...despite some sketchy customer service issues and some hardware problems, I have very few regrets, and will continue owning macs.

Microsoft....well seems like they're digging themselves a nice hole with this one....wasn't the idea of Windows 8 supposed to be "simplify?"


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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

I've got Windows 8 on a non-touch, ordinary laptop. Had Windows 7 and 'upgraded' to 8 for free (got it for free through dreamspark). It wasn't really worth it, but it isn't a problem either.

Windows 8 isn't that bad, I wouldn't avoid it, and would happily buy a computer with it (if I was in the need for a new computer), but I wouldn't pay for the upgrade either.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

I wholeheartedly disagree. I'm using Windows 8 on a MacBook Pro out of all devices (currently out of necessity as my Mac OS partition refuses to boot and I will have to reformat this computer's hard drive at some point in the future), and I am very happy with it. The learning curve is also not as bad as people say it is, and it is easy to use. Metro coupled with the old desktop is supposed to bring out the best of both worlds for those who want both new AND old Windows experiences, and it does so perfectly well, save for a hitch or two (i.e. Skype for Windows 8).

It also helps that I got to snag a free copy of Windows 8 through my university. Big grin

[Edited 2013-04-13 09:55:36]

User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 3014 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2978 times:

I can't stand Windows 8. I use Windows 7 daily (I'm 100% a Mac person) for school and it is a great, solid OS. WIndows 8 with its made-for-touch interface is a pain to use, and I really hate Metro. Apparently, we're being forced to upgrade our ThinkPads next year to Windows 8; I'm hoping there will be a way to circumvent it.


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User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2156 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 2):
I wholeheartedly disagree.

Me too!

Windows 8 is by far the best OS Microsoft has ever published, I can't recommend it enough. It's on par with OS X and has a great user experience.

Can't recommend it enough, Windows 8 is the OS that convinced me to move from the Mac to Windows.



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2168 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

Windows 8 is definitely okay. It's not that much of an improvement over Windows 7, but it's clearly better than Windows 7.

I don't think it's a good idea to track the declining PC sales back to Windows 8. The PC form factor is slowly falling out of favour for a lot of use-cases. Especially tablets are rapidly replacing PCs and notebook for a lot of people. That has been predicted for years, so it shouldn't come as a surprise.

Also I'll suggest that the PC is, to some extent, the victim of its own success. Unlike notebooks, which suffer a lot more wear and tear, especially due to battery degradation, and unlike tablets which become outdated very quickly nowadays, the PC is a solid and relatively long-lasting purchase today. If a regular user bought a PC three years ago, chances are it's still going strong and there's no need to replace it. A notebook bought three years ago may already show some age, and the user may already think about a replacement. And a tablet bought three years ago...   is likely to be an iPad 1 and probably already replaced. PC users can stay with their product a long time, and that may be a reason why sales are declining.



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User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

Windows 8 is far better than Windows 7 when it gets to some issues with the kernel, memory protection, and the deep, deep internal workings of the computer.

The user interface? I don't like it.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

Quoting Asturias (Reply 4):
Windows 8 is by far the best OS Microsoft has ever published, I can't recommend it enough. It's on par with OS X and has a great user experience.

As I understand it, they have tailored the interface to be optimized for touch screens. WTF do I want a touchscreen interface when I mostly use a computer for Excel, SQL, Access, and similar programs? Unless you have a tablet, who wants to have fingerprints all over your PC screen?

They should have optimized it for standard mouse-and-keyboard, with touchscreen capability as an option for the 1or 2% who might be interested, not the other way around.



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User currently offlinemdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4130 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

Windows 8 is really not that bad. I have it on my new laptop and once you learn some of the gestures, it works fine and very smoothly. Metro takes some getting used to but in reality, the way that I use this laptop, I usually bypass it and use the desktop which is still easily available.

PC sales are declining because of smartphones and tablets, not Win8.



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User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 672 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
Windows 8 has been branded a "failure" as PC shipments are lowest in 20 years.......

The biggest DROP in 20 years, not the lowest in 20 years. Still higher sales than almost every other year in the past 2 decades.



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User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2156 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
As I understand it, they have tailored the interface to be optimized for touch screens. WTF do I want a touchscreen interface when I mostly use a computer for Excel, SQL, Access, and similar programs? Unless you have a tablet, who wants to have fingerprints all over your PC screen?

That's a misunderstanding, Windows 8 has an interface that's great for touchscreens - true - but that interface is completely optional.

To a user who has a mouse and a keyboard it is pretty much transparent and when one does want to use that part of the OS (i.e. Tiles) it works perfectly with a mouse and keyboard.

The Tiles interface is a great boon to mouse users actually, as a replacement for the Start menu. Windows 8 is as optimized for touch interface as one wants it to be, it is in fact as much optimized for mouse and keyboard.



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2478 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2892 times:

I have Windows 8 on my laptop without touch. It isn't causing any problems but I found that I only use my laptop in the Windows classic desktop mode. So the metro style part for me was a failure. I purchased a Surface RT tablet but sold it very quickly. I wasn't satisfied with the responsiveness and the display quality either. The RT was a mistake. Maybe a Surface pro is better to showcase windows 8

User currently offlinecaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2883 times:

I used Windows since 3.1. I have owned every version. I upgraded my machine to Windows and enjoyed only the performance and UI changes in traditional desktop. However, this OS bring little new to the table. It doesn´t make traditional desktop computing any more efficient, no new ways of window management, nothing. Except a useless Modern UI, that offer no traditional desktop computing benefits. Sure it is perfect for a tablet, but the majority of Windows users use desktop applications. SO what is the point? I tried installing some applications and using them in Modern UI, Mail, messenger etc, but I ended up uninstalling them, and installing their desktop counterparts. I use an external monitor with my laptop, so full screen apps are not the best options. Anyhow I got frustrated, and was rather annoyed with MSFT. I have since sold my Lenovo and bought a MacBook Air. OSX is leaps and bounds ahead of Windows in some ways. I love the notifications, the App Centre, Window management, It is a really wonderful OS. I am big Ubuntu fan, but I need to use certain mainstream apps, so OSX feels like a very comfortable middle ground. I imagine for at least the rest of my PhD I will be a OSX user. Additional benefits lie with the fact that I can sync stuff quite seamlessly with my iPHone.


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2868 times:

I had a play with Windows 8 for the first time recently. All I can say is this - yuck.


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User currently onlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 742 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

Quoting mdsh00 (Reply 8):
PC sales are declining because of smartphones and tablets, not Win8.

I think the current financial situation in the world contributes as well as well.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

Quoting Asturias (Reply 10):
To a user who has a mouse and a keyboard it is pretty much transparent and when one does want to use that part of the OS (i.e. Tiles) it works perfectly with a mouse and keyboard.

The Tiles interface is a great boon to mouse users actually, as a replacement for the Start menu. Windows 8 is as optimized for touch interface as one wants it to be, it is in fact as much optimized for mouse and keyboard.

Users seem to disagree - Third-party software that restores the old Start menu interface has become a booming industry.



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2168 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 15):
Users seem to disagree - Third-party software that restores the old Start menu interface has become a booming industry.

With close to 100 million Windows 8 copies sold, if even one percent of users restore the old Start menu with an add-on programme, that makes for impressive download counts.


I don't think the new start-up screen is the make-it-or-break-it of Windows 8. To me, it's just a fancy new start menu. One that's very easy to customize and fast to navigate, but not as convenient as the old start menu when you want to get to programs which you don't often use. Nonetheless, most users on a PC spend most of their time on the desktop. The desktop is still very similar to Windows 7, but improved in various ways, and part of a very fast, clean and stable OS environment.

Again, it's not revolutionary, but I wouldn't want to go back to Windows 7. To have the computer boot up in a matter of seconds is hard to go without, once you've gotten used to it.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8481 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

I believe that if you can set it to the classic Windows appearance then it will be OK for a lot of users. Biggest problem I see is that it will present too much difference for the average office worker. They could care less about the bells & whistles - they just want their apps to work and not to slow down.

User currently offlinemmedford From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

http://www.startisback.com/

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User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

Microsoft is nothing if not consistent.

Let's review:

95 - awesome
98 First Edition - awful
98 Second Edition - awesome
Millennium Edition - Like a dog humping your leg
XP - awesome
Vista - words cannot describe this disaster
7 - awesome
8 - Predictably bad

I can only hope the NEXT version keeps with the pattern, because, like with Vista, I'll be doing my best to skip 8.

In all fairness, 3.1 was pretty good, too, so the trend, as I've described it, started with 95. If I do skip 8 it'll be only the second time I've skipped a build since 3.0 came out (the other time being Vista).



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User currently offlineBoeing717200 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 940 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

It's fast, but I wish you could simply choose to use it with or without metro in the settings. The major flaws:

The picture manager is horrible.
Integrated outlook is a joke.
The store doesn't have much and no one is interested.

Windows could have simply made windows 8 as fast as it is and dumped the gimmicks.


User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2664 times:

What did they do to Picture Manager?

Oddly, I find Microsoft Office Picture Manager to be one of the most useful tools in Windows.



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User currently offlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2659 times:
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The people who use Windows 8 for a half hour and decide they hate it really don't get a proper sense of the operating system, which is a failure on Microsofts part. They should have a very clear way to switch between tablet and desktop mode, and be able to set either as the default. Trying to mix the two doesn't really work and adds confusion. It's a simple and easy fix to make it how it should be - but you shouldn't have to do it, and most people won't even know about it. Shame really, since it's a great operating system for both tablets and desktops that now has a damaged reputation.

Hopefully with SP1 they'll respond to the negative feedback and make some of the mentioned fixes.

As far as Windows 8 causing a slow down in PC sales, I have to agree what others have said. Tablets & smartphones are taking away the need for PCs. That is what is slowing down PC sales - not Windows 8.


User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 672 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2600 times:

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 19):
8 - Predictably bad

It's really not "bad", and the question isn't whether it's bad or not. The question is whether it's worth an upgrade from Win7 - whether the improvement is enough to justify it existing. It's slightly faster, and has the metro tabs instead of a start menu. Apart from that, it IS Windows 7 - is it enough of a difference to warrant a new OS? Maybe not...



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2601 times:

The simple reason is that for the vast majority of users their computer hardware (especially if they have a desktop) simply doesn't need upgrading. My desktop is from 2008 so it's almost 5 years old now and it still works perfectly fine. Last year I replaced the video card (which was a nice performance enhancement for $120) and the year before that added a wifi card. Wouldn't mind a faster processor to speed up video rendering but I don't really need it. Also quite happy with Vista.

For surfing the internet, watching movies, playing games (for the non-hardcore gamers), using Word, making Powerpoints, etc. you just don't need to upgrade as often as you used to.


25 CaptCufflinks : I really dislike the 'leap' that 8 had made - it's quite good fun on a touch screen, but I am hoping that 8 is a fad that won't be the trend of things
26 CplKlinger : The drop in PC sales can also be attributed to two things I have yet to see mentioned: PC's are lasting longer and people are more comfortable with do
27 CXfirst : For me its not any slower, as I've always used the Windows key then straight to typing the program name. If you used to press start, then navigate th
28 rfields5421 : That's not the target audience of the new interface, which is why most folks I know who have Win8 use the classic interface. The "simplify" is for fo
29 Asturias : Most users of Windows 8 seem to disagree - I don't know why you feel it's productive to be contrarian, but that's neither here nor there. There's alw
30 Dreadnought : I have been an early adopter of every version of Windows since 3.0, usually buying them within days of release. I love new stuff. But Windows 8 is th
31 Ken777 : And then there was "Bob", which fortunately didn't last too long. And Longhorn which didn't even get to market.
32 nickh : "Longhorn" was a code-name for a series of technologies that were to be included in future revisions of the Windows NT (and above) Operating Systems.
33 cjg225 : Perhaps I should've clarified my criteria. I am talking about only those Windows OSes that are for the entire market. 2000 was the successor to NT (t
34 northstardc4m : Let's clarify THAT for you... Windows 2000 Professional is NOT the predecessor of 2003 Windows 2000 Server did evolve into 2003 There is no desktop 2
35 Aesma : Personally I launch most of my software on 7 from a side bar (that I had to buy), a feature dating back to at least Windows 95. I have far too many so
36 Braniff747SP : I'm all for adapting to new things, when they make sense or are a marked improvement. On a computer, I want to see my desktop, full stop. I don't nee
37 CplKlinger : It takes me less time to start and hit desktop under 8 than it did to get to the desktop alone in 7, even with logging in. It's that much faster on t
38 WarRI1 : My wife now has windows 7. I use windows 8 on a new desktop. I never use the touchscreen feature. My grandson loves windows 8 and the touchscreen feat
39 Braniff747SP : And that's great--why didn't MS just do that without the stupid Metro interface?
40 Revelation : I'm no fan of M$, but people need to understand W8 for what it is. It's damn hard to turn the Windows battleship, and that's what W8 is all about. Agr
41 captaink : How is that working out for them.. Yes I know what their end goal was, but the market is obviously not ready for that. Yes many people use tablets in
42 Klaus : Apple serves both markets, and in each case with an OS that is tailored to the respective segment, while being based on the same OS X foundation tech
43 Post contains images bueb0g : So use aero and not metro then, it isn't difficult. Why though? I'm not very passionate about it either and there's a real questionmark over whether
44 Braniff747SP : One does have to use Metro. It's the first thing you see.
45 vlad135 : My only complaint about Windows 8 is the lack of a start button. I spent $5 on software that placed the button in its usual place, and made the defau
46 Revelation : I'd say better than not having a way to address the mobile device market. Great, you found something that works well for you. I bet the tablet user i
47 captaink : That´s the problem, all is not well in the land of MSFT. Their mobile presence or lack there of has been a problem for years now. And they are tryin
48 JJJ : And that's pretty much it. There is little incentive to update to Win8 from 7/Vista/XP, so people will do what they've been doing for years: use what
49 Revelation : Indeed, but the position is better with W8 than without it. Not sure I follow. As above, PC sales are taking a big hit because tablets/phones deliver
50 captaink : Yeh well it is true, they are in a difficult position. I suppse they are doing the best they could given the circumstances.. THe memory SD slot is a
51 Post contains images TLG : I agree with you 100% Klaus (for once ), except I have no experience and therefore no opinion on OS X. But about MS, I used a WP7 and a WP8 in the la
52 rfields5421 : Now this is my experience from working in corporate IT Including upgrades of approx 10,000 computers from Mac to Win95 - a computer replacement Win95
53 cmf : Are you a Toshiba or Sony shop? Always ran in to problems upgrading them but other brands have been pretty smooth.
54 captaink : Why, I find that to be an interesting concept, but why?
55 cmf : Lack of drivers.
56 rfields5421 : IBM/ Lenovo initially then moved to Compaq - back to Lenovo - then to Dell for the laptops (initially 65% of the computers eventually 45%) Compaq - D
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