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Two Bomb Blast In Boston USA  
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26912 posts, RR: 58
Posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10200 times:

Sky news breaking that two bomb blasts in Boston USA.

news.sky.com

Seems it has happened near the finish line to the Boston Marathon. Lots of injured according to live video on Sky News.

[Edited 2013-04-15 12:11:23]

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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3011 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10197 times:

Sounds bad. Very very bad...
http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/metro...28/19757044/-/ktnc1wz/-/index.html

Video on CNN
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvp...pt=hp_t2#/video/cvplive/cvpstream3

[Edited 2013-04-15 12:15:07]


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26912 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10179 times:

More here :

Two explosions at the finish line of the Boston Marathon are reported to have left people injured.

Video and photographs from Boston show a scene of confusion, with emergency services descending on the scene.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22160691

One of the explosions caught on camera :

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/F9933F92-85FC-4CF8-AC66-9F3F2AAFA199-1107-0000007E59A182F9_zps93b044c7.jpg

[Edited 2013-04-15 12:22:21]

User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6088 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10127 times:
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This isn't good. I wouldn't be shocked if this some sort of terrorist activity. Unless it was an accidental explosion, I can't imagine it being anything but.


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User currently offline135mech From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 412 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10095 times:
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SAD!!! What the hell is wrong with people??? This is sad!

Prayers to those and their friends/families!

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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13985 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10094 times:

Quoting falstaff (Reply 3):
This isn't good. I wouldn't be shocked if this some sort of terrorist activity. Unless it was an accidental explosion, I can't imagine it being anything but.

You wouldn´t have two accidental explosion one after the other and some distance apart. This looks like to old terrorist tactics of exploding one bomb and the other one a short while later when people came to rescue.
I hope they get the perps and treat them accordingly.

Jan


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26912 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10056 times:

Sadly Fox News are reporting that so far three people have died.

User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1248 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10057 times:

Seems quite bad, probably a terrorist attack indeed, hard to imagine what else would cause this heavy explosions in two different places with some distance apart.

[Edited 2013-04-15 12:41:32]


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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20500 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10043 times:

CNN producer on the scene who was 20 yards away from the first explosion is reporting that this is about a mile from the finish line. First explosion seemed to be from indoors, the second from the sidewalk. Another suspected device at the Mandarin Hotel.


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User currently offlineCalebWilliams From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10044 times:

I saw one video on CBS showing the scene after the fact that showed what appeared to be broken glass outside of a store window, indicating that the exposition may have come from inside that location.


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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6177 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10009 times:
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What a bad situation. I will never undertand the people who do this, nor ever condone their actions. The only thing that does not add up for me, is that clearly there is a lot of security given the Marathon event. Maybe it was an accident?

CBS is reporting lots of severedly injured people.



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User currently offlineflyingthe757 From UK - England, joined Mar 2013, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9985 times:
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Oh my god!!!!!!


BBC just reported reports that one of the explosions came from the Fairmont Hotel, and reports of a device at the Mandarin Hotel


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7140 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9986 times:

The two explosions make it seem like an accidental explosion might not be it but the timing of it seems like it did not go off during the busiest and more watched time of the Marathon when the professionals start to finish the race. Fox is saying 3 dead, can't find any other station reporting deaths. Horrible situation whether it was accidental or an attack.

 redflag  Unconfirmed witnesses say the explosion happened from two bags on a sidewalk. So IF true, clearly an attack.  redflag 

[Edited 2013-04-15 12:46:06]


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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20500 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9873 times:

CBS showing video of the two explosions, they were about a block apart on Boylston St., about 15 seconds apart. Apparently within blocks of the finish line, not a mile away as reported earlier on CNN.


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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4576 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9877 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 12):
it but the timing of it seems like it did not go off during the busiest and more watched time of the Marathon when the professionals start to finish the race

Yeah, but they went off when a lot more of the regular runners start to finish, which means more family and spectators at the finish line area.


A lot of the reports may be sketchy to start with, but it seems like it was a powerful blast. My thoughts go out to the injured and deceased( if that is the case).



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9817 times:
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If this was deliberate, then it's an utterly wicked, evil thing to do. I hope those responsible are brought to justice quickly.


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User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9797 times:

Pictures don't look like an accident at all, two blasts within seconds and, most importantly, the pavement is undamaged making a pipe blast very unlikely. Injiries are reported at 6 by CNN but looking at the pictures that's unfortunately likely to rise. I hope all victims get well soon and my thoughts are with all Bostonians! It might turn out lucky for the injired that many EMS crews were on site cause of the race!


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User currently offlineCalebWilliams From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9713 times:

Live news from Boston.com: http://live.boston.com/Event/Live_blog_Explosion_in_Copley_Square


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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2783 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9713 times:
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This is just horrible. My prayers go out to all of the victims involved. Fox is reporting the bomb squad is about to do a controlled blast. Perhaps of another device that was found.
Although I haven't ran a marathon I have attended plenty run by my father. It never crossed my mind that someone who try and do this. I thank God my dad couldn't qualify. It's selfish, but he's in this bracket of runners.
Pat



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7140 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9698 times:

Fox still reporting 3 deaths and many very serious injuries. CNN reporting very serious injures.

Police are searching the area for more devices with bomb sniffing dogs. As things look a bit clearer seems like an attack. From who, we won't know but I have faith the FBI and ATF will be able to find out.

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 16):
It might turn out lucky for the injired that many EMS crews were on site cause of the race!

Yep. Reports are some went to the fairly large medical tent there for the marathon. Medical and Police response was almost instant which will probably end up saving lives.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19510 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9685 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 15):
If this was deliberate, then it's an utterly wicked, evil thing to do. I hope those responsible are brought to justice quickly.

All major news outlets I've checked so far are using the word "bomb" now. Only Fox is reporting fatalities. Let's hope that they're wrong.

Other news outlets are reporting that there were "lots" of people who suffered amputations in the blast. Sometimes, the injuries sustained during these attacks are not fatal, but wind up being worse than death to the victim. To go from marathon runner to quadruplegic in one short instant...


User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9662 times:

CNN now confirms 2 dead, 22 injured  . Conolences to all affected! Hope they get those bastards, be they islamists, "patriots", or just psychopaths!


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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2783 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9634 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
Only Fox is reporting fatalities. Let's hope that they're wrong.

Boston Police just confirmed it according to @BreakingNews on twitter.
The New York Post is saying 12 dead and dozens injured, but they are pretty sensational so I'd take that with a grain of salt.
Pat



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19510 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9638 times:

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 21):
CNN now confirms 2 dead, 22 injured

Yup. I refreshed after my last post. Fox now saying "at least 2" dead.


User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9591 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 23):
Yup. I refreshed after my last post. Fox now saying "at least 2" dead.

Boston PD also says

"Boston Police Dept. ‏@Boston_Police 9m

Update 23 injuries 2 dead #tweetfromthebeat via @CherylFiandaca2



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26912 posts, RR: 58
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9803 times:

Sky News saying ball bearings found at site of explosions which would point to a crude device aimed at inflicting terrible injuries . Sick people.

User currently offlinedetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9807 times:

NY Post is reporting 12 deaths and over 50 injured!! Seems pretty bad

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...on_marathon_iMR0LCkcwASg0RQfVsH1yI

"A federal law-enforcement source told The Post there are at least 12 dead and nearly 50 injured. Fox News reported that Massachusetts General Hospital was treating 10 people with amputated limbs and all operating rooms were on hold."



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User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9933 times:

Video of one of the blasts:
https://vine.co/v/bFdt5uwg6JZ

Cowards. Sick to my stomach.

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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2915 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9922 times:

Was this a manhole explosion or some hooligan trying to get some media attention ?


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User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9885 times:

Quoting detroitflyer (Reply 26):
NY Post is reporting 12 deaths and over 50 injured!! Seems pretty bad

That is a false statement. Official statement is 2 dead 23 injured.



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User currently offlineRomeoBravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9882 times:

I wonder what the motives could have been?

User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 592 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9880 times:

So sad. My thoughts are with all of those affected and their families.

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12424 posts, RR: 25
Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9885 times:

A few tweets:

Quote:

UPDATE: 23 injured and 2 dead according to Boston Police.
by Zuri Berry 4:09 PM

RT @billy_baker: Two explosions in front of Marathon Sports. Witnesses saw bones sticking out, legs on ground, blood everywhere
Retweeted by Amalie Benjamin



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User currently offlineakiss20 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9896 times:

Heard it in my dorm at MIT. Thought it was a local construction crew dropping something. 3rd explosion about 20 minutes ago, apparently it was the BOS PD exploding a potential third device. BOS PD confirming 2 dead, 23 injured.


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User currently offlineairtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 34, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9885 times:
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I hope the bastard(s) that did this is found, and revenge is taken out on him in the slowest and most painful manner possible.


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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12424 posts, RR: 25
Reply 35, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9862 times:

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 30):
I wonder what the motives could have been?

Whatever they are, they are tremendously misguided! 



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User currently offlineogre727 From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 719 posts, RR: 2
Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9843 times:

This is so sad. I am left without words.


Sigh
User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20500 posts, RR: 62
Reply 37, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9816 times:

Boston PD press conference at 4:30pm Eastern, about 10 minutes from now.


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User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9810 times:

two more explosives found:

Boston Herald ‏@bostonherald 2m

RT @ap: BREAKING: Intelligence official: 2 more explosive devices found
at Boston Marathon; being dismantled



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13985 posts, RR: 62
Reply 39, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9819 times:

If there is some government behind those attacks, I hope they´ll get taken out as well with the greatest prejudice.

Jan


User currently offlineogre727 From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 719 posts, RR: 2
Reply 40, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9783 times:

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 38):
If there is some government behind those attacks, I hope they´ll get taken out as well with the greatest prejudice.

what do you mean???? I am not sure I follow.



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12428 posts, RR: 37
Reply 41, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9782 times:

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 30):
I wonder what the motives could have been?

I wonder about that too, but then I think, "what does it matter?"; what could possibly justify this and given the US's well published and well known line on terrorism - no negotiation, what did whoever did this think it could possibly achieve.

I ran a leg of Marathon last year and one thing that does strike me immediately (not that you'd need to run a marathon to appreciate this!) is that by the time you get to the finish line, you're pretty well exhausted, so even a very fit person - as these runners would be - would all the more susceptible to shock/cardiac arrest if they heard a loud explosion.

Do we know if any of those involved were runners?


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 42, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9785 times:
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Quoting airtran737 (Reply 34):
and revenge is taken out on him in the slowest and most painful manner possible.

Unfortunately that's unlikely, but hopefully once caught they'll never see the light of day again.



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User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9757 times:

Quoting ogre727 (Reply 40):
what do you mean???? I am not sure I follow.

I did not write that. MD11Engineer did. (reply 39).

[Edited 2013-04-15 13:29:19]


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User currently offlineakiss20 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 44, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9759 times:

Central square in Cambridge cleared, no threat to public safety

https://twitter.com/CambridgePolice



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1248 posts, RR: 3
Reply 45, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9702 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 39):

If there is some government behind those attacks, I hope they´ll get taken out as well with the greatest prejudice.

Pretty unlikely that any government would have any motives to blow up a group of innocent civilians in middle of international athletic event. More likely just some individuals behind this, I'm sure investigation will reveal their motives soon enough.



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9910 posts, RR: 26
Reply 46, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9653 times:
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Well, I can breathe for now. My sister-in-law was running the race. I briefly talked to my dad before we got cut off, and she apparently finished about 10 minutes before this all happened. Took awhile for my brother to find her in the chaos, but they're both OK.

Cell phones are all screwed up though - tried calling my dad back and got voicemail 5 times, then got through to some random girl.

My greatest sympathies go out to everyone affected by this. There's not much one can do that will piss me off more than screwing with Boston.



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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2783 posts, RR: 4
Reply 47, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9626 times:
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NY Post twitter is reporting that the Boston Police confirmed another blast at the JFK Library. Fox just said that a suspect is being guarded at the hospital.
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User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9582 times:

Just speculating:

Any way this is the beginning of various attacks from North Korea?



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 49, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9583 times:
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Quoting Stabilator (Reply 48):
Any way this is the beginning of various attacks from North Korea?

I strongly doubt it.



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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2783 posts, RR: 4
Reply 50, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9571 times:
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Quoting Stabilator (Reply 48):
Any way this is the beginning of various attacks from North Korea?

I wouldn't think so. I think if North Korea wanted to do something it would be a little bigger.

Update on the JFK library report. The library is reporting that there was no blast and it must have been a coincidence. Leave it the the New York Post.
Pat



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19510 posts, RR: 58
Reply 51, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9529 times:

Quoting ogre727 (Reply 40):

what do you mean???? I am not sure I follow

He's suggesting that it's possible that this could be some sort of state-sponsored terrorism, much as 9/11 was essentially sponsored by the then-government of Afghanistan.

I can think of several possible culprits:
1) Mid-East terrorists
2) Religious cult
3) Domestic extremist right-wing terrorism (I note that Massachusetts was the first state to legalize gay marriage).
4) Other despot government (N. Korea? Iran? Seems out of character for them, though.)

I'm sure others can list other possibilties. None of it makes much difference since it's all just conjecture. Bottom line, I hope they figure it out. But right now, I hope they devote resources to minimizing the injuries in the survivors.

News is reporting that Boston PD has found and destroyed two other devices.


User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9525 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 46):

Well, I can breathe for now. My sister-in-law was running the race. I briefly talked to my dad before we got cut off, and she apparently finished about 10 minutes before this all happened. Took awhile for my brother to find her in the chaos, but they're both OK.

Very glad to hear that. What should have been a happy moment for you family has taken a dark turn.



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User currently offlineflyingthe757 From UK - England, joined Mar 2013, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9459 times:
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Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 47):

Seen that they are saying the JFK Library fire is separate from the bombs, fire in a mechanical room.


User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 54, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9383 times:

Press Conference going on now, saying that 3rd incident at JFK Library is being treated as in connection to the Marathon.

User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9289 times:

Wow. I never thought I would ever see this happen here. I crossed the Finish Line on my bike at 3am last night without any imagination on what would happen twelve hours later!

The JFK Library has just had a three-alarm fire and they are treating it as related!

Why Boston? Why us? This is horrible!



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Reply 56, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9289 times:
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I'd like to point out a couple of other possibly coincidental things. They may not be directly related but they raised my eyebrows in light of this news:
  • Today is April 15 - Tax Day in the US. I can see radical anti-government groups looking at today as a "day of mourning" so to speak".

  • Gold, kind of the rock-solid shelter everyone has run to in recent years, took a 10% DROP on the market today. Possibly the largest single-day drop on record.




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User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9260 times:

Quoting acidradio (Reply 56):
Today is April 15 - Tax Day in the US. I can see radical anti-government groups looking at today as a "day of mourning" so to speak".

I would expect a little less flamebait from a moderator.

Just in: Cell towers are reportedly going to be shut down to prevent remote detonations.



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User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9204 times:

Quoting acidradio (Reply 56):

It's much too early to say, but as long as we're talking about external events coincident with this, the NBC article up right now mentions also that there was a memorial to the victims of the Newtown, CT shooting along the marathon route, which is now a politically charged event thanks to the debates that have followed.

That'll be dealt with later, for now we just have to hope that everyone else affected can return to their families safe and sound.  


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15730 posts, RR: 26
Reply 59, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9194 times:

Reports saying a Saudi national is under guard at a hospital as a suspect.

However, and this is just my opinion and speculation, this does not seem like an Al Qaeda attack. It may have been a different Islamist group, or what seems most likely to me, right wing domestic terrorism. Al Qaeda has not claimed responsibility, nor do they have a history of attacking special events. They've attacked business as usual commerce, not the big gatherings.

Here's what might support the right wing terrorist theory, all of which is admittedly circumstantial:
-Today is tax day.
-It's also Patriots' day which is a celebration of the Battles of Lexington and Concord, not to mention that Boston was a very important location in the American Revolution. If you're trying to make a point about unfair taxation, government interference, restriction of freedom, etc. this would be the time and the place to do it.
-A third attack is being reported at the JFK library. JFK was of course a Democratic president who supported welfare type programs.

I tend to think that it would not be a white supremacist group. Apparently the attacks were not timed to hit the top runners (who are mostly black) but rather amateurs.

I was pretty sure that it was right wing domestic terrorists, but now that a Saudi has been implicated the entire thing is very muddy.



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User currently offlineRomeoBravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 60, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9144 times:

I've seen some terrible photographs.

Nothing i can say can even come close to describing what these people must be going through.

[Edited 2013-04-15 14:13:40]

User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9153 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 59):
I was pretty sure that it was right wing domestic terrorists, but now that a Saudi has been implicated the entire thing is very muddy.

It's also possible that a "lone-wolf" or small group of otherwise-unaffiliated Islamic radicals did it, doesn't have to be Al Qaeda. But we don't know yet and shouldn't jump to conclusions.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 62, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9119 times:

GOt some reports of a third boom.

Well have to see how was behind this. Not enough information available at the monent IMHO



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User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9096 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 59):
Reports saying a Saudi national is under guard at a hospital as a suspect.

the NY Post claims so but no other more credible source is saying anything about it.
the NYP also claims 12 dead, while the official reports says two dead.

anyway cell-phone services have been shutdown in Boston:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/offic...cellphone-service-shut-down-boston

WASHINGTON (AP) — A law enforcement official says cellphone service has been
shut down in the Boston area to prevent any potential remote detonations of explosives.



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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6793 posts, RR: 34
Reply 64, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9060 times:

NY Post has no sources, should note be considered reliable unless/until confirmed...

And another Twitter feed says the JFK Library was a mechanical issue, not an IED or other explosion.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15730 posts, RR: 26
Reply 65, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9071 times:

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 61):
It's also possible that a "lone-wolf" or small group of otherwise-unaffiliated Islamic radicals did it, doesn't have to be Al Qaeda.

If it was Islamic terrorists, that would be my guess. It doesn't fit the pattern of Al Qaeda particularly well.



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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2915 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9033 times:

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 63):
WASHINGTON (AP) — A law enforcement official says cellphone service has been
shut down in the Boston area to prevent any potential remote detonations of explosives.

Great, so that means that many people won't be able to call home and tell friends and family they're okay....



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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6793 posts, RR: 34
Reply 67, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9025 times:

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 61):
But we don't know yet and shouldn't jump to conclusions

Didn't stop Wolf Blitzer or Nick Kristof from already doing so. Despicable....


User currently offlineCalebWilliams From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8970 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 39):
If there is some government behind those attacks, I hope they´ll get taken out as well with the greatest prejudice.

I doubt it. North Korea or Iran would probably do something worse.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15730 posts, RR: 26
Reply 69, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8921 times:

Apparently law enforcement is now denying the report of the Saudi in custody.


Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6793 posts, RR: 34
Reply 70, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8823 times:

Live blog from Boston.com....

http://live.boston.com/Event/Live_blog_Explosion_in_Copley_Square


There's a Twitpic in there of someone having been arrested in custody....no other news yet.


User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21557 posts, RR: 55
Reply 71, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8738 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 66):
Great, so that means that many people won't be able to call home and tell friends and family they're okay....

True, but better that than have more bombs go off.

-Mir



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7951 posts, RR: 12
Reply 72, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8708 times:

This is heartbreaking.


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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6793 posts, RR: 34
Reply 73, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8636 times:

Live blog reports cell service IS working but very heavy traffic.

Follow that live blog, they have good updates and other inbound Tweets...


User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6793 posts, RR: 34
Reply 74, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8602 times:

NPR just repeated that NBC has confirmed the NY Post story that a suspect is in custody. No other details...

User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8542 times:

Eyewitness from the scene had been in Iraq, and was quoted on NBC as saying "my first thought was it sounded like an IED"


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User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8508 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 74):
NPR just repeated that NBC has confirmed the NY Post story that a suspect is in custody. No other details...

"The Boston Globe ‏@BostonGlobe 1m

RT @globejenpeter: Lots of rumors today. JFK Library explosion unrelated.
No suspect in custody. Important to only report what you know...."



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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21557 posts, RR: 55
Reply 77, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8492 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 74):
NPR just repeated that NBC has confirmed the NY Post story that a suspect is in custody. No other details...


I heard the Boston Police saying there was police presence at lots of hospitals, but no specific person being held.

-Mir



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User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8381 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 67):

Didn't stop Wolf Blitzer or Nick Kristof from already doing so. Despicable....

Wait, he actually said a right-wing nut job did this, and the motivation was political? Truly uncalled for. Why try to divide people during times of trouble??



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6592 posts, RR: 9
Reply 79, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8368 times:

Wow ! I just learned about this thanks to the forum, as I was watching a political program on a channel that didn't seem to think an interruption was necessary.

Really sad story, my thoughts go out to the victims. Once again a cosmopolitan city and here even a cosmopolitan event is targeted.



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User currently offlineBoeing717200 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8343 times:

Quoting Stabilator (Reply 78):
Wait, he actually said a right-wing nut job did this, and the motivation was political? Truly uncalled for. Why try to divide people during times of trouble??

Because some people are sick in the head and are looking for anything that will prop up their personal political beliefs.


User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2915 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8312 times:

So judging from the evidence who could have done this ? Foreigners or domestic extremist groups ?


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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20500 posts, RR: 62
Reply 82, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8312 times:

Quoting Stabilator (Reply 78):
Quoting slider (Reply 67):

Didn't stop Wolf Blitzer or Nick Kristof from already doing so. Despicable....

Wait, he actually said a right-wing nut job did this, and the motivation was political?

I've been switching between CNN and CBS, and I've not heard Wolf Blitzer say this, but I could have missed it, but doubt it if that was a line Wolf was using repeatedly.

There is a report that the Boston PD have found two other unexploded devices, one at a Boston hotel. If that's true, then there's going to be some important forensic evidence they can use.



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User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2999 posts, RR: 3
Reply 83, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8226 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 81):
So judging from the evidence who could have done this ?

Somebody particularly familiar with Boston and the Boston Marathon.
From the apparent small size of the explosions then a single person or small group intended to injure bystanders.

Just a guess but an organized foreign group would be taking credit long before now.
Probably a lone wolf that has been in the Boston area for at least the previous marathon that would have some idea as to timing and placement of the devices.

Okie


User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21557 posts, RR: 55
Reply 84, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8195 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 81):

So judging from the evidence who could have done this ? Foreigners or domestic extremist groups ?

Don't know, but it seems fairly safe to assume that it was a pretty low-tech operation with crude explosives, which would tend to rule out a group like al-Qaeda (at least directly - could be a group loosely affiliated with them). Could be foreign, could be domestic radicals (right or left-wing), could just be a guy with an axe to grind.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7874 posts, RR: 52
Reply 85, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8159 times:

Seriously guys? Can we save the political blame game for when real evidence comes out??


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8230 posts, RR: 23
Reply 86, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8147 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 81):

So judging from the evidence who could have done this ? Foreigners or domestic extremist groups ?

Um, yes?

You can't possibly speculate or rule out anyone or any group at this point. It's barely been 3 hours.



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User currently onlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4383 posts, RR: 29
Reply 87, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8079 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 84):

Don't know, but it seems fairly safe to assume that it was a pretty low-tech operation with crude explosives, which would tend to rule out a group like al-Qaeda

Don't think it rules that out at all. It would acutally make a lot of sense given their trajectory and tempering of 'objectives'.



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User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2999 posts, RR: 3
Reply 88, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8073 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 82):
I've been switching between CNN and CBS, and I've not heard Wolf Blitzer say this, but I could have missed it, but doubt it if that was a line Wolf was using repeatedly.

I have been scouting the channels all afternoon long CNN and Chris Matthews have been as far out there as can be.
Matthews was arguing with the Boston FD over the accidental mechanical room fire at the JFK library that it was a bomb and not a fire because the explosion was racially motivated.
Thing are getting pretty pathetic trying to make some political tangent when there are no facts.

Let just see how the facts play out here.

I watched this hysteria with the Murrah Building and 9-11. Amazing some of the tangents that the media and people with a political agenda take off on with absolutely zero for a fact.

Okie


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8220 posts, RR: 8
Reply 89, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8015 times:

This is so sad. We need to first think of those injured or killed, and their families and friends. There is no doubt in my mind that there are prayers being said around the world right now.

I can remember when the OKC bomb went off. Every victim had their own doctor and their own nurse - that is how massive the response to help victims of terrorism was. This is happening right now in hospitals around Boston, and it will continue. The care we will have for the victims will be far more powerful than the horror of the terrorists.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):
I will never undertand the people who do this

There are so many different types of people who do this. Terrorists come in all shades, religions and backgrounds - as we learned in OKC. Like previous acts we will find out who did this and we'll go after them.

Quoting acidradio (Reply 56):
I can see radical anti-government groups looking at today as a "day of mourning" so to speak".

Timmy McVey was responsible for the OKC Bombing so you may be right. The biggest challenge is to wait until more information is available before throwing blame around. This is the time for caring for the victims while the authorities go after the bastards who did this.


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20500 posts, RR: 62
Reply 90, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8019 times:

Quoting okie (Reply 88):
I have been scouting the channels all afternoon long CNN and Chris Matthews have been as far out there as can be.

And I heard a fair amount of hyperbole on Fox when moving up and down the channels. The point we were addressing though, I'll ask you, did you specifically hear Wolf Blitzer state unequivocally that this was the work of a right-wing nut job with political motivations?



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User currently offlinejetblue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1454 posts, RR: 1
Reply 91, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7980 times:

This is so tragic. The videos are just surreal and saddening. My deepest condolences for the people involved.  

On a related note, VX has posted on their FB page that they are waiving change fees for flights from BOS (April 15-17) A small but much appreciated gesture from them.


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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11576 posts, RR: 15
Reply 92, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7979 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 59):
It's also Patriots' day which is a celebration of the Battles of Lexington and Concord, not to mention that Boston was a very important location in the American Revolution

So, it was the Brits who did this?

I couldn't resist. I know this is a horrible tragedy. I hope I made someone laugh.

Now: can we please PLEASE all of us please stop pointing fingers? Stupid thing to say as some people probably started doing that about 3 seconds after the first explosion. And, I know that is the American thing to do but, let the police do their jobs, let the families heal, let Boston heal.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 93, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7813 times:

I spent 5 years in Boston, and this story makes me sick to my stomach. I'm happy to report that my friends working the marathon have reported okay, but it gives me chills knowing at least one of them was only a block or so away from this thing.

Quoting akiss20 (Reply 33):
Heard it in my dorm at MIT.

Wow! MIT is not near Boylston. Are you in a riverfront dorm?



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User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 807 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7805 times:

One of my best friend's dad ran in the marathon today. Fortunately, he finished a decent time ahead of the blasts, so he was well away from danger.

It's tough to admit, but I think this is very believable (i.e. as opposed to people saying, "Unbelievable; how could someone do this?"). It's the world we live in and have lived in for quite some time. The US has been very lucky in the respect that large-scale attacks of this sort are very rare here, unlike in some other parts of the world. We have our issues with high-profile acts involving firearms, but somehow, if I may, those are more "personal" attacks. Bombs are very impersonal, indiscriminate killing machines. You can't see it or hear it before it goes off. Very scary.

I admit I haven't watched much news coverage because I've been in class all day since this happened, but have there been many comparisons to the 1996 Atlanta Olympics bombing?



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 928 posts, RR: 1
Reply 95, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7721 times:

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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8124 posts, RR: 26
Reply 96, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7680 times:

Not at all nice news to wake up to.

First thing that comes to mind looking at some of the videos is the mentality of bystanders. Sure would be nice if all these yahoos taking pics and shooting vids would PUT THEIR CRAP DOWN and go help some people.



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User currently offlineakiss20 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 97, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7633 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 93):
Quoting akiss20 (Reply 33):
Heard it in my dorm at MIT.

Wow! MIT is not near Boylston. Are you in a riverfront dorm?

Yes I am, but I was pretty far from any windows (in my kitchen) when it happened. For some reason I had a bad feeling about it even though I assumed logically it was some sort of construction worker incident. Sadly, my gut feeling was correct. There was a bit of a period of fear as we tried to get in touch with our friends at the marathon. Thankfully everyone I know and everyone on my floor was okay. There were also reports of bombs at Harvard and Central sq. so people were getting a bit nervous. MIT is a logical target if they are starting to go after universities.



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 98, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7627 times:

What I fear from what these terror bombing attacks in Boston will mean even more restrictions in certain public areas and at major events, less able to carry a bag or backpack or having it checked like if going on a plane to go into certain areas, more spent on cops pulling funding from other needs and a greater sense of a loss of privacy and freedom. Of course, that is the intent of those that do terror acts.

User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2999 posts, RR: 3
Reply 99, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7618 times:

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 94):
I admit I haven't watched much news coverage because I've been in class all day since this happened, but have there been many comparisons to the 1996 Atlanta Olympics bombing

No, they have not accused an innocent security guard, yet.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 82):
There is a report that the Boston PD have found two other unexploded devices, one at a Boston hotel. If that's true, then there's going to be some important forensic evidence they can use.

That would be somewhat of a find if that is true.

I am no expert here but watching the news videos I roughly counted about 10 seconds between the blasts. About the amount of time that it would take to hang up a cell phone call to the first device and speed dial the second. Just makes you wonder if a cell was used to initiate the device?
Then all the cell phone traffic from bystanders would not let the calls get through to the other devices.

Just a thought without facts.

Okie


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8124 posts, RR: 26
Reply 100, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7513 times:

Another thought as I see the press conference coverage on the BBC just now - we really need to do something about all these ridiculous alphabet agencies. They named at least 7 organizations now involved in the law enforcement investigation.

The local PD and FBI should be more than sufficient. Again, what is the purpose of the ATF? Why is the DoD involved? Sigh...

All that said, Governor Patrick's words about the kindness of ordinary citizens were very eloquent and much appreciated.



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User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7490 times:

Boston Police Dept. ‏@Boston_Police 1m
BPD does not have a suspect in custody #tweetfromthebeat via @CherylFiandaca
https://twitter.com/Boston_Police/status/323962521159618560

Boston Police Dept. Boston Police Dept. ‏@Boston_Police 3m
Three people have died #tweetfromthebeat via @CherylFiandaca
https://twitter.com/Boston_Police/status/323962245174407168

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 100):
Again, what is the purpose of the ATF?

I don't know, but I guess that they are specialized in the areas of Alcohol,
Tobacco and Firearms while FBI have a wider spectrum of investigation areas.

[Edited 2013-04-15 18:00:03]


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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7140 posts, RR: 9
Reply 102, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7521 times:

Saw some pictures from the scene and some very very bad injuries out there.
3 Dead including an 8 year old child and 141 injured. Many very serious limb injuries. From CNN a dozen or so in very serious or critical condition. Hopefully the fatality count won't go up.
The way the bomb was built and placement lower limb injuries seem to be prevleant. Many extremely serious.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 96):
Not at all nice news to wake up to.

First thing that comes to mind looking at some of the videos is the mentality of bystanders. Sure would be nice if all these yahoos taking pics and shooting vids would PUT THEIR CRAP DOWN and go help some people.


I would say you are wrong about that. The majority of the people did one of two things, they either ran away from the explosion which is completely ok and expected or ran towards the explosion and tried to help people. The camera men and photographers are just doing their job. When incidents like this happen that is what they are trained to do. Just like the police, military , fire and EMS personnel run towards the scene. I saw in the videos many many people who were not responders running to help the people down.

I would like to beleive I would go and help, I am sure you are one with that attitude also but unless you are in that situation, a situation as chaotic as this one was there is no telling what would come to your mind.

FBI is being tight sealed about the investigation so far.

   First question in the 9pm press conference was "if this attack was a fake attack to take our civil liberties away on behalf of the dept of homeland secutiy" Who let that moron in?

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 100):
Another thought as I see the press conference coverage on the BBC just now - we really need to do something about all these ridiculous alphabet agencies. They named at least 7 organizations now involved in the law enforcement investigation.

The local PD and FBI should be more than sufficient. Again, what is the purpose of the ATF? Why is the DoD involved? Sigh...

The Agencies all have their specialties. The ATF will be big in this investigation as they will have bomb specialist and agents who specialize in this stuff. The ATF is the Bureau of Alcohol Firearms, Tabacco and Explosive. Explosives being ghe kye word for their part in the investigation. The FBI has their own people too of course. Then you have local and state PD who will help. The U.S. attorneys office is needed for any legal matters such as search warrants. Other fed agencies like I.C.E. will just give some help with more man power and any intel they can find. The CIA would be involved for intel obviously and I am sure there are plenty at the NSA working on it too. Anyway they will all be working together but when it's not a situation like this each fed agency has its specialities.

[Edited 2013-04-15 18:09:02]

[Edited 2013-04-15 18:15:06]


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User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7519 times:

Obama seemed pretty out of it during his speech. Kinda rushed though it. Must be going under a lot of stress, poor guy. Can't imagine the pressure one man gets placed under.


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User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 807 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7513 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 102):
First question in the 9pm press conference was "if this attack was a fake attack to take our civil liberties away on behalf of the dept of homeland secutiy" Who let that moron in?

Wow, for real?   

Quoting okie (Reply 99):
That would be somewhat of a find if that is true.

I am no expert here but watching the news videos I roughly counted about 10 seconds between the blasts. About the amount of time that it would take to hang up a cell phone call to the first device and speed dial the second. Just makes you wonder if a cell was used to initiate the device?
Then all the cell phone traffic from bystanders would not let the calls get through to the other devices.

Just a thought without facts.

Okie

I read that cell service was shut off in the area for a bit to prevent further detonations if that was the case.



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User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7492 times:

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 104):
I read that cell service was shut off in the area for a bit to prevent further detonations if that was the case.

I believe the media backtracked on that statement.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7874 posts, RR: 52
Reply 106, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7476 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 100):
Again, what is the purpose of the ATF?

They are the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATFE)



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User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2999 posts, RR: 3
Reply 107, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7445 times:

Quoting Stabilator (Reply 105):
I believe the media backtracked on that statement

You are correct at least by news accounts.
Secondly I doubt even if they decided to shut down cell service the process establishing what was going on then contacting the cell phone companies would likely involve a half hour. The number of bystanders calling others more than likely overloaded the system.
We are assuming who ever did this used a cell phone as an initiator again no facts.

The report that other devices were found, if true will be a great forensic tool.

Okie


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8124 posts, RR: 26
Reply 108, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7426 times:

^
I know what they actually do, but the point is those specialties can be handled within the FBI as a dedicated task force. Individual law enforcement and intelligence agencies with highly specialized roles are nothing more than federal budget bloat.



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User currently offlineairportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3609 posts, RR: 2
Reply 109, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7383 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 108):
I know what they actually do, but the point is those specialties can be handled within the FBI as a dedicated task force. Individual law enforcement and intelligence agencies with highly specialized roles are nothing more than federal budget bloat.

Are you really debating this right now? At this exact time?

Get a clue.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8124 posts, RR: 26
Reply 110, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7317 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 102):
I would like to beleive I would go and help, I am sure you are one with that attitude also but unless you are in that situation, a situation as chaotic as this one was there is no telling what would come to your mind.

  

Quoting flymia (Reply 102):
The camera men and photographers are just doing their job. When incidents like this happen that is what they are trained to do. Just like the police, military , fire and EMS personnel run towards the scene. I saw in the videos many many people who were not responders running to help the people down.

I am not talking about the media on site. As evidenced by countless postings to Twitter and YouTube following the event, there are legions of bystanders who are too busy taking amateur video of the scene to help. This is no different than the guy who got run over on the train platform in New York. Just put the electronics down and help a fellow human being. That's what stuck in my craw.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 109):
At this exact time?

When is it ever a good time? Logically, questioning the necessity of superfluous law enforcement is as opportune at a time like this as any. Maybe if so many millions of dollars weren't being pissed away by the feds on this kind of bloat, the proper resource allocation would be in place to prevent more incidents like these.



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7140 posts, RR: 9
Reply 111, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7306 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 100):
Another thought as I see the press conference coverage on the BBC just now - we really need to do something about all these ridiculous alphabet agencies. They named at least 7 organizations now involved in the law enforcement investigation.

The local PD and FBI should be more than sufficient. Again, what is the purpose of the ATF? Why is the DoD involved? Sigh...

All that said, Governor Patrick's words about the kindness of ordinary citizens were very eloquent and much appreciated.
Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 110):
I am not talking about the media on site. As evidenced by countless postings to Twitter and YouTube following the event, there are legions of bystanders who are too busy taking amateur video of the scene to help. This is no different than the guy who got run over on the train platform in New York. Just put the electronics down and help a fellow human being. That's what stuck in my craw.

Oh ok. I have not seen those yet. Thought you were talking about the professional photographers and cameramen. I can agree with that.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19510 posts, RR: 58
Reply 112, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7268 times:

Quoting okie (Reply 99):
I am no expert here but watching the news videos I roughly counted about 10 seconds between the blasts. About the amount of time that it would take to hang up a cell phone call to the first device and speed dial the second. Just makes you wonder if a cell was used to initiate the device?
Then all the cell phone traffic from bystanders would not let the calls get through to the other devices.

Just a thought without facts.

Not a bad one, though.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 98):
What I fear from what these terror bombing attacks in Boston will mean even more restrictions in certain public areas and at major events,

I'm worried about it, too. I just think of how our liberties got picked away after 9/11. On the other hand, I am praying it's domestic because if it's foreign and there is another war...


User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21557 posts, RR: 55
Reply 113, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7236 times:

Quoting Stabilator (Reply 103):
Obama seemed pretty out of it during his speech. Kinda rushed though it.

He sounded fine on the radio. I'm not going to fault him for looking like he had a lot of stuff going on on a day like today, though.

-Mir



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8220 posts, RR: 8
Reply 114, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7135 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 96):
Sure would be nice if all these yahoos taking pics and shooting vids would PUT THEIR CRAP DOWN and go help some people.

Actually the videos may, at some point in the future, be of use after the bombers are caught. Right now they are simply an overload of evidence, but a lot will be studied by the authorities.


User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9910 posts, RR: 26
Reply 115, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7126 times:
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Quoting okie (Reply 107):
The number of bystanders calling others more than likely overloaded the system.

When my dad first called me, we got cut off after about 10 seconds - enough time to find out my family was OK, but that's about it. Repeated calls back to him went straight to voicemail. Eventually a call did go through, but not to his phone - some girl answered. Never had cell phone "lines" get crossed like that before. Just realized I already wrote all that. Oh well.

My brother called me a bit later, and he gave me a more info. His wife had finished about 10 minutes earlier, and was about a block away from the finish line. He was going to meet her, and was about 2 blocks away. Took them awhile to find each other, then get back to their condo. They were both shaken up, obviously. And both sets of parents were waiting at the condo, so I can't imagine how tense it was there.

You know, after I heard from my brother, I was telling my coworker, and he said "it'll be interesting to see how Obama handles this". I was a bit too upset/distracted at the time to say much, but in the intervening hours, I've gotten pretty damn pissed off about it. Some people.....I don't know.

I'd also like to say that as soon as my boss' boss (the VP of Operations) heard, he immediately told me to leave work and go home. I didn't, because there wasn't anything I could do at home, and by then I knew my family was safe anyway, but I really appreciated the sentiment.



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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21557 posts, RR: 55
Reply 116, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7095 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 114):
Actually the videos may, at some point in the future, be of use after the bombers are caught. Right now they are simply an overload of evidence, but a lot will be studied by the authorities.

The police did request that anyone who has footage send it in. There'll be a lot of redundancy to sort though, but I'd imagine it's all helpful evidence.

-Mir



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15730 posts, RR: 26
Reply 117, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7080 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 92):
Now: can we please PLEASE all of us please stop pointing fingers?

I'm not pointing fingers, but to me this is not really consistent with Al Qaeda (not that they don't change) and if you were an ultra right wing extremist wanting to make a symbolic point, this would probably be the place and time to do it.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 96):
would PUT THEIR CRAP DOWN and go help some people.

Apparently that caused something of a problem. People dropped their stuff and ran (either towards or away from the explosions) and whatever they had been carrying immediately becomes a potential additional bomb.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 98):
What I fear from what these terror bombing attacks in Boston will mean even more restrictions in certain public areas and at major events, less able to carry a bag or backpack or having it checked like if going on a plane to go into certain areas, more spent on cops pulling funding from other needs and a greater sense of a loss of privacy and freedom.

Run of the mill sporting events will already inspect bags.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 114):
Actually the videos may, at some point in the future, be of use after the bombers are caught. Right now they are simply an overload of evidence, but a lot will be studied by the authorities.

People still look at the Zapruder film in every way possible. Having fifty such films of attacks these days can only help piece events together. Maybe not in minutes, but eventually it can be broken down.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26912 posts, RR: 58
Reply 118, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7025 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 114):

Yes hopefully it will be of use. I can understand both points but if everyone helps then it might cause chaos. Id personally in a situation like that see what I could do but if I saw trained people assisting and I wasnt needed then I would stand back and let them get on with their work not hamper it.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 115):

Yes when too many mobiles are bouncing off one cell tower it can in extremes like this cause melt down and these kind of things can happen.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19510 posts, RR: 58
Reply 119, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6853 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 117):
I'm not pointing fingers, but to me this is not really consistent with Al Qaeda (not that they don't change) and if you were an ultra right wing extremist wanting to make a symbolic point, this would probably be the place and time to do it.

I agree. If it's domestic, it's most likely an ultra-"Right" group. While there is certainly a history of ultra-"Left" violence and terrorism in the USA, very few such groups exist today, while "Patriot" and "Militia" groups abound. After all, the ultra-"Right" have a lot to be angry about and such groups increase in ranks during times of economic hardship. A "militia" group with military-trained members might be able to pull off a well-coordinated attack like this.

If it is foreign, then it is most likely Mid-Eastern.

It's not Iran or North Korea. Both of those countries are working on nuclear weapons and vast military machines. Such countries would consider something like this petty and beneath their dignity.

And it's also not a gummint conspeersy. Nor was Sandy Hook. Nor was 9/11. Never attribute to malevolence what can just as easily be attributed to ineptitude.


User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6832 times:

Sports games in BOS cancelled or postponed today - NHL game between Bruins and Sens postponed and NBA game been Celtics and Pacers cancelled. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sport-b...off-explosions-001505879--nhl.html

London are now reviewing their security measures in view of the upcoming marathon.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19510 posts, RR: 58
Reply 121, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6826 times:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/15/us...hings-we-know/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

From this page I just saw the following tidbits:

Quote:
-- A Saudi national with a leg wound was under guard at a Boston hospital in connection with the bombings at the Boston Marathon, but investigators cannot say he is involved at this time and he is not in custody, a law enforcement official said Monday evening.
Quote:
-- Investigators have warned police to be on the lookout for a "darker-skinned or black male" with a possible foreign accent in connection with Monday's bombings at the Boston Marathon, according to a law enforcement advisory obtained by CNN. The man was seen with a black backpack and sweatshirt and was trying to get into a restricted area about five minutes before the first explosion, the lookout notice states.

A lot of interest in foreigners lately. And a lot of very noncommital statements by the police.


User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2783 posts, RR: 4
Reply 122, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6775 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 121):
A lot of interest in foreigners lately. And a lot of very noncommital statements by the police.

Well they must have found something. Should be interesting to see where this all leads. I'm sure they'll have something more concrete or perhaps someone by morning on the east coast.
Pat



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19510 posts, RR: 58
Reply 123, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6760 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 122):
Well they must have found something. Should be interesting to see where this all leads. I'm sure they'll have something more concrete or perhaps someone by morning on the east coast.
Pat

It took us a few days after 9/11 to work out whodunnit. Whoever did dunnit isn't coming out and saying so. That's a bit odd. Usually these things are done for some secondary goal, not just to blow stuff up for fun.

As for the man sneaking into the area five minutes before, I have a feeling the bombs were sitting there much more than five minutes before they went off.


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Reply 124, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6747 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 123):
It took us a few days after 9/11 to work out whodunnit. Whoever did dunnit isn't coming out and saying so. That's a bit odd. Usually these things are done for some secondary goal, not just to blow stuff up for fun.

As for the man sneaking into the area five minutes before, I have a feeling the bombs were sitting there much more than five minutes before they went off.

I didn't realize it took very long to figure it out. I was just a little guy when it happened. It is strange that nobody is coming out. I expected it pretty quick. Must be a super isolated cell of terrorists.

I have to agree with them sitting there for a while. That seems like a coincidence to me. But perhaps I am wrong. Hopefully the authorities have a better idea than we do. Tomorrow will certainly be a day of details IMO.
Pat



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8827 posts, RR: 24
Reply 125, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6745 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 117):
I'm not pointing fingers, but to me this is not really consistent with Al Qaeda (not that they don't change) and if you were an ultra right wing extremist wanting to make a symbolic point, this would probably be the place and time to do it.

Sure sounds like you are pointing fingers.

Sure, it's not as grand a plot that Al Qaeda has historically been connected with, but let's remember we've spent the past decade turning many of their best technicians and operatives into hamburger. Reports are that several more bombs were detected and disarmed/control-detonated. Such an attack may be at the limits of what they can do right now - certainly the target (public and highly visible, high concentration of innocents nearby) fits their profile.

And speaking of profiles, why would right wing extremists target the Boston Marathon? The general public is not their enemy, according to any literature I've found.

But I find it hardly surprising that liberals would prefer to think that a right-winger would do this rather than an outside enemy.



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11576 posts, RR: 15
Reply 126, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6709 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 117):
I'm not pointing fingers, but to me this is not really consistent with Al Qaeda (not that they don't change) and if you were an ultra right wing extremist wanting to make a symbolic point, this would probably be the place and time to do it.

I appreciate your thinking out loud. While I (and this is just my opinion) don't think this is the time to be playing armchair detective, breaking down what happened with only the facts presented to us is appreciated.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 100):
The local PD and FBI should be more than sufficient. Again, what is the purpose of the ATF? Why is the DoD involved?

Some agencies have more resources and more knowledge than others. Boston PD does not have the forensic resources that ATF or DoD has. If I were Boston Chief of Police, I would welcome their assistance!



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39834 posts, RR: 74
Reply 127, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6757 times:

This is a horrific tragedy and all I can do is wish for the best and offer my condolences to those hurt by these bombings.

Quoting D L X (Reply 93):
I'm happy to report that my friends working the marathon have reported okay, but it gives me chills knowing at least one of them was only a block or so away from this thing.


Scary thought. Glad that your friends were not hurt.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 96):
Sure would be nice if all these yahoos taking pics and shooting vids would PUT THEIR CRAP DOWN and go help some people.


  
Wannabe news reporters.

Quoting slider (Reply 67):
Didn't stop Wolf Blitzer or Nick Kristof from already doing so. Despicable....

Wolf Blitzer and Nick Kristof should be canned.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 125):
But I find it hardly surprising that liberals would prefer to think that a right-winger would do this rather than an outside enemy.


Says a lot of about the mentality of liberals of today. I find it disgusting that they would be celebrating and joyful if it was a white guy that was a right-wing nut-job responsible for this. I see nothing to celebrate regardless of who done it - Islamic terrorist or right-wing nut.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15730 posts, RR: 26
Reply 128, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6710 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 119):
If it's domestic, it's most likely an ultra-"Right" group. While there is certainly a history of ultra-"Left" violence

There's just no reason why an leftist group would attack there and now.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 119):
If it is foreign, then it is most likely Mid-Eastern.

Probably, but I doubt it's Al Qaeda, or at least if it is it would be a change for them.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 121):
"darker-skinned or black male" with a possible foreign accent

Check the top of the results.    If this was done by white supremacists, they had the bombs detonate too late.   

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 123):
I have a feeling the bombs were sitting there much more than five minutes before they went off.

Depends on the security. If you can get devices to the target in a "just in time" fashion that would probably be the route to go. More chaos to cover a bomber's tracks and less chance of a device being discovered in a security sweep or simply found or moved by chance. Not to mention what's going to look more out of place: a box or backpack sitting around for hours at least or just one more person walking around with a backpack or duffel bag at a marathon? You have to figure that quite a few such things are genuinely left behind by accident at such large events.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 125):
Sure, it's not as grand a plot that Al Qaeda has historically been connected with, but let's remember we've spent the past decade turning many of their best technicians and operatives into hamburger.

Considering how difficult it would be for a beleaguered Al Qaeda to have at least a somewhat successful plot against America on our own soil, you'd think they'd be milking it for all it's worth but as far as I know there hasn't been a word out of them.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 125):
certainly the target (public and highly visible, high concentration of innocents nearby) fits their profile

But it doesn't though. They've never really targeted big special events with extra security. Most of the targets of a civilian nature were routine gathering places: the World Trade Center, Bali nightclubs, the Madrid and London transit systems, and airlines.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 125):
And speaking of profiles, why would right wing extremists target the Boston Marathon?

The marathon is held on Patriots' Day, which celebrates the Battles of Lexington and Concord. You know, the ones that started because the British came to take the colonists' guns. It's also tax day, so if you're a government hating radical militia looking to start a new American Revolution or something like that, what would be a better place and time to do it?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 125):
The general public is not their enemy, according to any literature I've found.

You cannot assume that they are entirely rational. They could justify it by saying they were targeting police (the timing was staggered from what I understand), trying to prove to people that the government cannot protect them, or something like that.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8827 posts, RR: 24
Reply 129, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6689 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 128):
There's just no reason why an leftist group would attack there and now.

No less reason than a right-wing group, which you seem intent on blaming. Seriously, tax day as a reason for murder and mayhem? Get real.

Look, we don't know. But the target by far fits more the profile of Islamofacists than a domestic group, in my opinion.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39834 posts, RR: 74
Reply 130, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6687 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 125):
let's remember we've spent the past decade turning many of their best technicians and operatives into hamburger.

More like ground up sausage patties. Humans aren't red meat like hamburger. We're also the other white meat and human meat is not halal.



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9910 posts, RR: 26
Reply 131, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6701 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 127):
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 125):
But I find it hardly surprising that liberals would prefer to think that a right-winger would do this rather than an outside enemy.


Says a lot of about the mentality of liberals of today. I find it disgusting that they would be celebrating and joyful if it was a white guy that was a right-wing nut-job responsible for this. I see nothing to celebrate regardless of who done it - Islamic terrorist or right-wing nut.
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 129):
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 128):
There's just no reason why an leftist group would attack there and now.

No less reason than a right-wing group, which you seem intent on blaming. Seriously, tax day as a reason for murder and mayhem? Get real.

PLEASE guys, just stop. Discuss it in another thread. We are Americans today, full stop.

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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 132, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6606 times:

I don't know what sickens me more, the attack or some of the things posted here:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 125):
But I find it hardly surprising that liberals would prefer to think that a right-winger would do this rather than an outside enemy.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 127):
Says a lot of about the mentality of liberals of today. I find it disgusting that they would be celebrating and joyful if it was a white guy that was a right-wing nut-job responsible for this.

The victims and their families have my deepest sympathy.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8124 posts, RR: 26
Reply 133, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6584 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 126):
Some agencies have more resources and more knowledge than others. Boston PD does not have the forensic resources that ATF or DoD has. If I were Boston Chief of Police, I would welcome their assistance!

No doubt Boston PD appreciates federal assistance (the FBI has assumed jurisdiction here anyway). But the point is we don't need every alphabet agency under the sun. Devote those skillsets to expanded task forces within the FBI and do away with all the excess federal garbage sending money down the toilet. The local authorities are getting help no matter what.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 119):
It's not Iran or North Korea. Both of those countries are working on nuclear weapons and vast military machines. Such countries would consider something like this petty and beneath their dignity.

Definitely a fair assumption.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 117):
People still look at the Zapruder film in every way possible. Having fifty such films of attacks these days can only help piece events together. Maybe not in minutes, but eventually it can be broken down.

True, but there was just a feature in The Atlantic today about how the cops in Vancouver learned valuable lessons from the thousands of hours of video that were analyzed following the 2011 riots. Software used to skim video is designed for static surveillance cameras and other fixed media sources. The handheld videos taken from within crowds by amateurs require painstaking individual analysis. Experts in this field opined in the article that a few such videos are sufficient if they are from areas not covered by traditional surveillance. Having thousands of submissions can actually make the process much more difficult.



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User currently offlineairportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3609 posts, RR: 2
Reply 134, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6563 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 131):

Thanks for posting that, good sir

As a native Bostonian for 30 years (with all my family still there) and now in Hawaii, it helps cheer me up so see that. Much appreciated

To the (few) detractors on here hell-bent on questioning all the non-important stuff going on, get lost. Humanity has no use for you.

Stay strong.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15730 posts, RR: 26
Reply 135, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6542 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 129):
But the target by far fits more the profile of Islamofacists than a domestic group, in my opinion.

Domestic terrorists are too rare, diverse, and sometimes not groups at all so it's hard to say they have a profile at all.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 133):
Definitely a fair assumption.

Maybe. Although a country like North Korea or Iran can theoretically do a lot more damage, perhaps not actually to the continental US, a handful of backpack explosives is less likely to result in having all hell break loose than a more destructive attack.

The Taliban harbored Al Qaeda while they pulled off 9/11 and we took over the country. The Libyans bombed a club in Berlin and we basically docked their allowance. Spectacular is spectacular, but it does have a cost.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 133):
The handheld videos taken from within crowds by amateurs require painstaking individual analysis. Experts in this field opined in the article that a few such videos are sufficient if they are from areas not covered by traditional surveillance. Having thousands of submissions can actually make the process much more difficult.

It can all be broken down in detail later. I expect the authorities would skim through to find the most useful amateur videos first in conjunction with surveillance.



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7251 posts, RR: 5
Reply 136, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6499 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 128):
Probably, but I doubt it's Al Qaeda, or at least if it is it would be a change for them.

It could be them, now if it was me (wearing my Al Qaeda cap) I'd be setting these little bombs off all over the country every few days, in malls, schools, hospitals, and large public gatherings. The bombs don't have to be big just a lot of them dispersed over the entire country, that's a terror campaign, rather like one in a Clancy novel, that mans books must be a must read for budding terrorists. People would be too scared to do anything, you could cause mass panic and effectively shut down the country for a while.


User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 137, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6481 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 128):

Probably, but I doubt it's Al Qaeda, or at least if it is it would be a change for them.

it could be Lakshar-E-Taiba. They did try to bomb Times Square a few years back. Luckily we caught the bastard with the smoking gun, litterally, his car. If its foreign, i feel like its one of these splinter groups that are inspired by Al Qaeda.


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Reply 138, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6383 times:

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Reply 139, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6375 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 123):
It took us a few days after 9/11 to work out whodunnit. Whoever did dunnit isn't coming out and saying so.

al Qaeda didn't rush out and say "It was us! It was us!" after 9/11 though.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 135):
The Libyans bombed a club in Berlin and we basically docked their allowance.

Nice "West Wing" drop-in.  



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User currently onlinetu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1197 posts, RR: 18
Reply 140, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6369 times:

Forwarding Prime Minister Medvedev's post on Facebook:

The terrorist attack in Boston is a heinous crime, even more cynical as it occurred during the Boston Marathon, a sports tradition of many years that attracts people from around the world, including Russia.

Only together can we stand up to the criminals behind hideous acts such as this.

On behalf of the Russian Government and the Russian people I offer my sympathy to the people of the United States. Our most sincere condolences to the families and friends of the victims and wishes of soonest recovery to the injured. Our thoughts are with you.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13985 posts, RR: 62
Reply 141, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6363 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 125):
And speaking of profiles, why would right wing extremists target the Boston Marathon? The general public is not their enemy, according to any literature I've found.

Why would Neo-Nazis target the Munich Oktoberfest, as had happened in IIRC 1978? Why would Neo-Fascists in Italy target Bologna main train station? It both had happened. In Europe in the 1970s-1980s it seemed that the communist terrorists like the Red Army Faction or the Brigade Rossi actually went against targets from politics, law and economics (but pity whoever got in their way), while the nationalists terrorists (like the IRA and ETA) and also the fascist and neo-Nazi ultra right went for as much civilian damage as possible.

Jan

[Edited 2013-04-16 03:14:29]

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7396 posts, RR: 17
Reply 142, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6325 times:

At the risk of aerowesty and others flaming my ass whenever I say anything remotely rational-


Someone better get to the bottom of this. Now. I keep seeing reports that a Saudi national is being questioned. He better be, because according to reports, the material used was very much similar to the failed truck bomb found in times square a few years back....and that perp was apparently Al Qaeda.

Who the heck let this one slip is my question. How are we able to foil a massive trans-atlantic plane bombing plot, and not be able to foil this?



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User currently offlineHywel From Uganda, joined Apr 2008, 802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 143, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6321 times:

Very sad news and RIP to all those who lost their lives.

Also RIP to the 31 (or more) innocent dead victims and 200 wounded in explosions in Iraq on the same day. You know, the country the USA liberated.


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 144, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6315 times:

News reports this morning are saying an apartment in Revere, a suburb of Boston, seems to be a place of investigation for these attacks.
The 'back bay' area of Boston is still pretty much in lock-down as the investigations continue with many restrictions in that areas of the city. One thing to note is near the area of the bombs is one with 'VIP' and other restrictions which raises questions as to security or how someone was able to breach it.
3 dead, including a 8 year old boy there to watch his father who was a runner in the Marathon. His sister apparently lost a leg, his mom has a severe head injury. As many as 140 injured requiring hospital attention.

Sadly one or more people had to use one of the biggest events in the city of Boston, a celebration of life, human endurance and spirit to carry out an attack for their extremely selfish and sick personal or political views. It means more restrictions in our lives, more 'innocence' lost, people killed, crippled, and if injured or saw someone else injured, their mental state forever damaged.


User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7251 posts, RR: 5
Reply 145, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6313 times:

Quoting Hywel (Reply 143):
Also RIP to the 31 (or more) innocent dead victims and 200 wounded in explosions in Iraq on the same day. You know, the country the USA liberated.

Indeed but to be honest who really cares, it didn't happen in the US, they're not US citizens so therefore the couple of US lives lost in Boston takes precedence, the Iragi bombings aren't considered main story news, just scrolling text on the tv whilst the Boston bombing is all over every news channel. Funny how some lives are worth more than others!!!


User currently offlineBoeing717200 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 146, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6219 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 142):

Food for thought.... Perhaps the Saudi National was the target.

[Edited 2013-04-16 04:48:29]

User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20500 posts, RR: 62
Reply 147, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6221 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 131):
PLEASE guys, just stop. Discuss it in another thread. We are Americans today, full stop.
Quoting aloges (Reply 132):

I don't know what sickens me more, the attack or some of the things posted here:

        

In people's glee to turn this into a political argument, they overlook items in the news such as that the Westboro Baptist Church, that bastion of liberalism, has tweeted that they intend to picket the funerals of those killed in the Boston bombings. I'd post a link, but the story is just too sickening to read again to bring up the URL from my browser's history. Anyone may google it if they need confirmation.



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User currently offlineBoeing717200 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6201 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 147):

Some people just can't leave out a political slant can they?

Police reportedly took items from the apartment of the Saudi National last night...

Even more concerning... Random unorganized terrorist attacks...anyone who has served in the Middle East needs no explanation.

[Edited 2013-04-16 05:01:10]

User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12465 posts, RR: 46
Reply 149, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6163 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 142):
Someone better get to the bottom of this. Now.

They will, but it will take time.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 142):
Who the heck let this one slip is my question.

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to prevent a terrorist attack in a public place by an individual or very small group? They only have to get lucky one time - to prevent all terrorist attacks, you have to be lucky every single time.



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User currently offlinehomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2242 posts, RR: 14
Reply 150, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6164 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 131):
PLEASE guys, just stop. Discuss it in another thread. We are Americans today, full stop.

You cited only Superfly and Dreadnought: why not the ones who speculate on right-wing extremists? Aren't their comments just as inappropriate?

Condolences to the victims in Boston; Cheers to the people in London planning to continue with the running of their Marathon, thank you for your show of support!



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1248 posts, RR: 3
Reply 151, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5979 times:

Quoting homer71 (Reply 150):
You cited only Superfly and Dreadnought: why not the ones who speculate on right-wing extremists? Aren't their comments just as inappropriate?

What's inappropriate about speculating that right-wing extremists had done this thing?

Unless I'm totally wrong majority of people with right-wing political views in the US aren't really extreme ones, thus I can't see how it insults right-wing in general to speculate about some political extremist crazies doing stuff like this.

Personally I see it's way more likely that some disturbed individual with extreme right wing political views has done this than any organized Muslim terrorist group. Of course some Muslim extremist individual could have done this too, but somehow right-wing terrorism fits the location and date better.

Or of course it could have been just some random mentally ill individual who hasn't been served properly by the pathetic healthcare system that the United States has and has thus gone totally crazy, who knows.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15730 posts, RR: 26
Reply 152, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5956 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 136):
It could be them, now if it was me (wearing my Al Qaeda cap) I'd be setting these little bombs off all over the country every few days, in malls, schools, hospitals, and large public gatherings.

There's no reason why it couldn't be Al Qaeda. As far as a sustained campaign, Al Qaeda is a much weaker organization than it was before, I doubt they could pull it off. But even if all you have is a couple relatively small bombs, why attack the Boston Marathon if the goal is to kill as many Americans as possible? It's not like there aren't plenty of other crowded places, and an event like the marathon is crawling with police and medics even if they aren't primarily concerning themselves with watching for terrorism. It's not a hard target, but not a soft target either and the same could be said of Boston itself. Large cities like that have plenty of first responders, contingency plans and federal law enforcement close by all of which would mitigate the effects of an attack and make it harder to get away with.

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 137):
If its foreign, i feel like its one of these splinter groups that are inspired by Al Qaeda.

That's kinda what it seems like to me.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 142):
How are we able to foil a massive trans-atlantic plane bombing plot, and not be able to foil this?

Because it's a massive bombing plot. Tracking money transfers, international travel, and communications is relatively easy. Tracking one guy in his garage is harder.



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User currently offlineBoeing717200 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5943 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 151):

So no one on the left with extreme views would dare bomb people? Interesting view considering American history. Perhaps it's just someone who hates America in general and all it stands for with all of its imperialism and crappy health care.

[Edited 2013-04-16 07:45:44]

User currently offlineBoeing717200 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5915 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 152):


I'm More concerned about this being a splinter group that does numerous little bombings on soft targets over time. This would represent a larger problem than a single big event due to the randomness of it.

[Edited 2013-04-16 07:50:39]

User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 155, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5904 times:

What worries me most is that this episode seems to have all the hallmarks of being an 'amateur' venture?

Those bombs just weren't powerful enough. And not ensuring that they all went off at the same time (so that many of them were thankfully found and defused before they went off) was just plain 'sloppy' (sorry to be technical about it, but my national service happened to be in the artillery).

Leads me to suspect that this latest outrage, rather then being organised by Al Queda or some similar organisation, was sort of 'homegrown' - set up by people who are basically 'amateur' terrorists. Who could well be living legally (and 'quietly') in the United States, already planning to do the same sort of thing again?

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 152):
Tracking one guy in his garage is harder.

Exactly so, BMI727. Let's both hope things don't come down to that..........



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1248 posts, RR: 3
Reply 156, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5880 times:

Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 153):

Quoting pvjin (Reply 151):
So no one on the left with extreme views would dare bomb people? Interesting view considering American history. Perhaps it's just someone who hates America in general and all it stands for with all of its imperialism and crappy health care.

Yeah I guess some extreme leftist could do that too, however it seems like nowadays extreme left-wing organizations and people aren't particularly active in the US compared to their right-wing counterparts...



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8827 posts, RR: 24
Reply 157, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5892 times:

Quoting homer71 (Reply 150):
Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 131):
PLEASE guys, just stop. Discuss it in another thread. We are Americans today, full stop.

You cited only Superfly and Dreadnought: why not the ones who speculate on right-wing extremists? Aren't their comments just as inappropriate?

I was asking myself the same question. I only made my comments after certain people repeatedly were pointing fingers at "right wing extremists", which by the way is what they call the Tea Party and fiscal conservatives in general, making up a very sizable chunk of the population.

And it continues:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 151):
Personally I see it's way more likely that some disturbed individual with extreme right wing political views has done this than any organized Muslim terrorist group. Of course some Muslim extremist individual could have done this too, but somehow right-wing terrorism fits the location and date better.

Why? Why is it more likely? How does it fit better?

I think it is simple political opportunism. A Bomb goes off, take the opportunity to make your political opponents look bad. And when the opponents protest, well that just proves how bad they are, doesn't it?  



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11576 posts, RR: 15
Reply 158, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5847 times:

Everyone tries to make this political. What if it is not? I know that concept does not come easy to people who want to make everything political. What if (and I am just making up names here) Sally and Bill Johnston just got a divorce. Bill had been cheating for years. Sally was so distraught and knew that Bill had not changed his will or beneficiary of any of his policies. She also knew he was training for the marathon and knew his pace. It could happen. It is not always "us vs. them". Sandy Hook and Aurora, Colorado were acts of terrorism, too.


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User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 159, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5853 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 157):
Quoting pvjin (Reply 151):
Personally I see it's way more likely that some disturbed individual with extreme right wing political views has done this than any organized Muslim terrorist group. Of course some Muslim extremist individual could have done this too, but somehow right-wing terrorism fits the location and date better.

Why? Why is it more likely? How does it fit better?

PVJIN has quite a public stance against America on these boards...take little of what he says seriously and dismiss it as flamebait.

To Vikkyvik: you should have included the other "liberal" members' posts in your statement.

How sickening that people are trying to blame fellow Americans at this time, when they have so little facts and virtually no expertise.

For what it's worth, SoS Kerry's meeting with the Saudi Foreign Minister was abruptly canceled 15 minutes prior to its start today.
www.politico.com/politico44/2013/04/...eign-minister-abruptly-161784.html



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20500 posts, RR: 62
Reply 160, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5848 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 157):
I only made my comments after certain people repeatedly were pointing fingers at "right wing extremists", which by the way is what they call the Tea Party and fiscal conservatives in general, making up a very sizable chunk of the population.

The problem was your editorializing on the subject, rather than just presenting an opposing view:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 125):
But I find it hardly surprising that liberals would prefer to think that a right-winger would do this rather than an outside enemy.

That was completely unnecessary to make your argument which politicized your message.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39834 posts, RR: 74
Reply 161, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5846 times:

Quoting homer71 (Reply 150):
You cited only Superfly and Dreadnought: why not the ones who speculate on right-wing extremists? Aren't their comments just as inappropriate?


I guess you didn't get the memo. There is a double-standard here. No one called out members here with their hate-fest blaming right-wingers and the Tea Party, yet the few that speculated Islamic terrorism was flamed, insulted and considered disrespectful to those harmed by the bombing. It's OK to bash right-wing Americans but if you bash Islamic terrorist, you're a hateful person.  
Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 134):
To the (few) detractors on here hell-bent on questioning all the non-important stuff going on, get lost. Humanity has no use for you.


I would say humanity has no place for terrorist. People are going to make comments and some of them you wont agree with or like to read. If those sort of things bother you, then maybe you should stay off the Internet and not watch TV either. Wolf Blitzer made unsubstantiated accusations too so I guess you think humanity has no use for him either?
(personally I think humanity can do with out Blitzer and other like-minded news reporters)

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 155):
Leads me to suspect that this latest outrage, rather then being organised by Al Queda or some similar organisation, was sort of 'homegrown' - set up by people who are basically 'amateur' terrorists. Who could well be living legally (and 'quietly') in the United States, already planning to do the same sort of thing again?



That could be a possibility as well. We shall see as the investigation unfolds. We have had a domestic terrorist group that set off bombs and killed people - Bill Ayer's group The Weather Underground.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 156):
Yeah I guess some extreme leftist could do that too, however it seems like nowadays extreme left-wing organizations and people aren't particularly active in the US compared to their right-wing counterparts...


May I ask where you're getting this information from?
Let's take a look at some of the most recent shootings:

1. Foot Hood: registered Democrat and Muslim Jihadist terrorist

2. Columbine: too young to vote but their families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals.

3. Virginia Tech: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff. That doesn't fit the description of a right winger

4. Colorado Theater: Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; progressive liberal

5. Tuscon Shooting: Jared Loughner was a registered Independent but HATED Bush, boasted about his support for abortion and was angry with Giffords for not having done enough against Bush.

6. Sandy Hook: Registered Democrat and hated Christians.

So please tell me about all of the "right-wing counterparts" activities today?



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12424 posts, RR: 25
Reply 162, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5812 times:

Quoting tu204 (Reply 140):
On behalf of the Russian Government and the Russian people I offer my sympathy to the people of the United States. Our most sincere condolences to the families and friends of the victims and wishes of soonest recovery to the injured. Our thoughts are with you.

Thanks for that statement. I'm glad we live in a world where such a marvelous expression of sympathy is being made.

My workplace is about 30 miles from the finish line. I first heard of the event when a co-worker said his wife called and said there was an explosion. She was there waiting for her nephew to finish the race. Luckily she and her party were OK. It's clear many others were not.

Also had anxiety about another pair of friends who traveled from the Netherlands to attend the race. One was running, another was support crew for the runner. Took a while to find out that they were OK.

I'd have to say almost everyone in this region knows someone who's trained for and ran in the race over the years. This incident is quite personal for many of us. To me, yesterday unfolded like a mini-9/11.

I'm really disgusted by the conspiracy theorists. They start immediately coming up with bizarre theories without a shred of evidence. They use this misfortune to try to elevate themselves, which is just sick IMHO. We should just ignore them and the media outlets who gain from such drivel.

Ironically on Saturday I was in NYC at the WTC site. There they had a guy who had a bunch of posters going on and on about some conspiracy theory. I said to myself I can't believe this guy can't find something more useful to do with his time and energy. There were a gaggle of people listening to it and it was a pathetic scene.



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20500 posts, RR: 62
Reply 163, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 5792 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 161):
Wolf Blitzer made unsubstantiated accusations too

Which accusations? I asked earlier in the thread, but didn't receive any reply.

Here's an interesting article on the hubbub:

Wolf Blitzer Did Not Blame Right For Boston Bombing And Doesn’t Have To Apologize To Anyone

Apparently, some people are taking Blitzer's reporting on the significance of Patriot's Day, something reported and commented upon by many news organizations, is being taken as some sort of bashing of the far right.  



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User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5240 posts, RR: 25
Reply 164, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 5786 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 129):
Look, we don't know. But the target by far fits more the profile of Islamofacists than a domestic group, in my opinion.

Enough! You're just embarassing yourself at this point. 3 were killed, at least 100 were injured and you're more concerned with pinning blame on Muslims. Shame on you.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 131):
PLEASE guys, just stop. Discuss it in another thread. We are Americans today, full stop.
Quoting aloges (Reply 132):
I don't know what sickens me more, the attack or some of the things posted here:

Seriously, just stop. Both posters and others are doing nothing but embarassing themselves.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 161):
So please tell me about all of the "right-wing counterparts" activities today?

Is there really no depth to which you will not stoop anymore in your efforts to lambast the left and defend the right? 3 people were killed in Boston and 100 were injured. Why not focus on that rather than trying to score political points? Is political point scoring really so important to you that you seem to forget these pesky little facts? As I said to Dreadnough, shame on you!

[Edited 2013-04-16 08:59:05]


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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1248 posts, RR: 3
Reply 165, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 5744 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 161):
May I ask where you're getting this information from?
Let's take a look at some of the most recent shootings:

1. Foot Hood: registered Democrat and Muslim Jihadist terrorist

2. Columbine: too young to vote but their families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals.

3. Virginia Tech: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff. That doesn't fit the description of a right winger

4. Colorado Theater: Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; progressive liberal

5. Tuscon Shooting: Jared Loughner was a registered Independent but HATED Bush, boasted about his support for abortion and was angry with Giffords for not having done enough against Bush.

6. Sandy Hook: Registered Democrat and hated Christians.

So please tell me about all of the "right-wing counterparts" activities today?

I don't think motives were political in most of those attacks you just mentioned but just some random mentally ill people who just hated the whole society around them.

The Sandy Hook for example, it was clear the shooter had some serious mental issues and didn't do the attack because of political motives. Just because they hated Bush (like anyone should do) doesn't mean their motives were political. Or are you saying that all attacks are political if the attackers happen to have any political views at all?

Also I doubt some left-wing terrorist would attack international event like this, they would more likely attack some right-wing organization or similar, attacking this event makes absolutely no sense for any left-wing terrorist while it would fit pretty well for some extreme right-wing one.

I bet the attacker is some extreme right-wing lone wolf with some mental issues that didn't get treated properly thanks to inferior healthcare system in the United States. Alternatively the attacker could be some Muslim extremist too.



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9910 posts, RR: 26
Reply 166, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 5733 times:
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Quoting homer71 (Reply 150):
You cited only Superfly and Dreadnought: why not the ones who speculate on right-wing extremists? Aren't their comments just as inappropriate?
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 157):
I was asking myself the same question.

If you want to know the real answer to your questions: because you guys read way too much into a quite simple request.

And because I was too goddamn upset yesterday to bother quoting EVERY political post in this thread. And frankly, because I don't give two craps who was speculating about which political party.

FYI, I see BMI727's name in my post as well. I included his quote within Dreadnought's post for EXACTLY this reason. Fat lot of good that did....

Quoting Superfly (Reply 161):
I guess you didn't get the memo. There is a double-standard here. No one called out members here with their hate-fest blaming right-wingers and the Tea Party, yet the few that speculated Islamic terrorism was flamed, insulted and considered disrespectful to those harmed by the bombing. It's OK to bash right-wing Americans but if you bash Islamic terrorist, you're a hateful person.

Thanks a lot, 'Fly.

Never mind. Continue with the politics. I'll stay out, since I'm a hateful person with a double-standard.



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20500 posts, RR: 62
Reply 167, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 5726 times:

A heartbreaking photo of the 8 year-old boy who was killed yesterday, Martin Richard, was just released:



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12424 posts, RR: 25
Reply 168, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 5721 times:

I know it's trite to be a fan of George Takei, but his piece on this strikes the right chord:

http://www.allegiancemusical.com/blog-entry/keep-running-boston

Note he also mentions Patriot's Day in a context that should not upset anybody.

For us around here, Patriot refers to those who fought in the War of Independence, so Patriot's Day is a holiday to honor their memory. Think Paul Revere, etc. A lot of other references refer to it in that way, such as our NFL football team, originally the Boston Patriots and now the New England Patriots.

To me, it's amazing how many people are responding to this particular dog whistle.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39834 posts, RR: 74
Reply 169, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 5718 times: