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Meanwhile In Afghanistan...  
User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3505 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

Meanwhile the entire world's eyes and ears turned to Boston after the horrible bombing of yesterday during a peaceful healthy multinational, multiracial, multicultural marathon... meanwhile, in Afghanistan about a hundred of Afghans were killed and tens wounded after a US bomber attacked a village north of Kandahar while celebrating a marriage. Traditions want it that they shoot in the air using rifles and that's what urged NATO to fly a bomber to fight there ! The village was not known for being Al-Qaida or Talibans camp. Pentagon says an investigation is in progress...

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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10818 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

Any links to this? I havent heard anything. There is nothing on CNN or elsewhere.

User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12900 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2536 times:
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Not to mention 30-odd killed by bombs in Iraq the same day.

http://www.dw.de/nationwide-bomb-att...tle-iraq-ahead-of-polls/a-16743906



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User currently offlineBrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 628 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

Well it remains to be seen whether this thing is not an 11 year old report, or even a hoax:

http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/LeZq...-bombings-and-the-hoax-report.html

Unless, of course, we're talking about civilians killed in Taliban attacks, including

In November a roadside bomb planted by Taliban fighters killed 17 civilians, mostly women and children, on their way to a wedding party in Farah.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2013/04/201343105748841685.html

Perhaps we lack reliable sources (unlike for the Boston attacks)...

Regards
BrusselsSouth


User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3505 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

Here is the link, but in French...

http://www.islametinfo.fr/2013/04/16...arde-une-fete-de-mariage-30-morts/


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10818 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 4):
http://www.islametinfo.fr/2013/04/16...arde-une-fete-de-mariage-30-morts/
Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 3):

Well it remains to be seen whether this thing is not an 11 year old report, or even a hoax:

Thats what I thought too as it sounds exactly like that what happened in 2002.

I guess if something tragic of that scale has happend these days it would be all over the media right now.

[Edited 2013-04-16 05:35:27]

User currently offlineBrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 628 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

This is indeed the 11 year old report getting resurrected by your "source":

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-bomb-kills-30-Afghan-wedding.html

While everyone is free to read any "news" source he/she likes (well, at least in some countries), using one as fact requires, at the very least, some basic cross-checking.

Regards
BrusselsSouth


User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3505 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

Really ! I didn't pay attention to that   

I sincerely apologize...


User currently offlineBrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 628 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

No worries. The event described in your link was horrible and worth being mentioned, anyway. Perhaps just not in connection to the Boston bombings.

Peace

BrusselsSouth


User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 6963 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

That website is of similar "quality" as the salon beige, where royalists and far right catholics spew their hate of the French Republic.


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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7856 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

Quoting na (Reply 5):
I guess if something tragic of that scale has happend these days it would be all over the media right now.

But the media are far more interested in 3 dead Americans than 50 or so dead Iraqis. Shows the true value of human life, some are obviously worth more than others.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-1...-iraq-kill-202c-injure-200/4630608

Not important enough to make the front page, that's reserved for the 3 dead Americans.


User currently offlineTheRedBaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

And then they say that the Media is not a fear machine 24/7, that its not skewed .... change CHANGE would be Obama saying that he will bring to justice the perpetrators and chain of command the responsible for the Tragedy in Afghanistan, and then saying we will ALSO do the same in Boston...

Its s Shame... but a typical day on planet earth.

TRB



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2429 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 10):
But the media are far more interested in 3 dead Americans than 50 or so dead Iraqis. Shows the true value of human life, some are obviously worth more than others.

I honestly don't see how the two can be compared.

On one hand you've got an international competition rocked by an unknown assailant/assailants resulting in at least 3 deaths and hundreds of injuries, while on the other hand, as sad as it is, you've got one more in a long string of Al-Qaeda's attempts to destabilize Iraq, a news story which has swamped the headlines for over a decade now.

There's no "one life is more valuable than another" going on.  



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

Yeah it's disgusting how media always concentrates on stuff that happens in western world while way bigger tragedies happen all the time elsewhere.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ead/story?id=14499791#.UW1PErWeNdx

As an example in 2011 around when western people were still thinking about 9/11 attacks that happened 10 years ago a fuel pipe exploded in Nairobi killing a lot of people, did we see any threads about in airliners.net and elsewhere, did we see news headlines for many days to come? Nope, everyone was too busy thinking about something that happened 10 years ago in western world.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
On one hand you've got an international competition rocked by an unknown assailant/assailants resulting in at least 3 deaths and hundreds of injuries, while on the other hand, as sad as it is, you've got one more in a long string of Al-Qaeda's attempts to destabilize Iraq, a news story which has swamped the headlines for over a decade now.

It's not just Al-Qaeda and Taliban, US military is busy killing innocent people in Afghanistan (and of course before in Iraq too) all the time, yet nobody cares.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 13):
yet nobody cares.

What's your definition of "nobody cares"?



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User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3505 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

I disliked the way they wanted to dissuade attention from the Boston attacks to that bombing in Afghanistan, which deserves attention of course, but the story is well outdated ! This is Machiavellian journalism and misuse of media. And when it comes from a website that holds the name of Islam and Muslims then the impact is even worse. Shit !

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7982 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

Aaaaaaand meanwhile in the islamic realms of the interwebs  

Hoax. This thread should be locked.... or the topic changed to bring back this:
http://homayra2013.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/a55dld-cuaelnkc.jpg


http://sadhillnews.com/2010/07/12/kabul-then-now


And before you look at that link above and say "it was all the Americans fault," well no. It was Soviet Union's fault. They invaded a peaceful country.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 16):
They invaded a peaceful country.

You might want to read up a bit on Afghanistan under its own country's communist party, the PDPA, in the period from about 1975 to immediately preceding the Russian invasion.

Wikipedia has a rather good summary of the events here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 16):
And before you look at that link above and say "it was all the Americans fault," well no. It was Soviet Union's fault. They invaded a peaceful country.

It's all Americas fault for giving weapons and money to Mujahideen. Had Soviet succeeded Afghanistan could be a relatively nice place compared to what it is now, it could be a country ruled by some left wing dictator that would keep Taliban and other religious clowns in order through whatever means needed.

I think democracy just doesn't suit certain cultures & societies and shouldn't be the goal there, only thing that could keep places like Afghanistan under control would be a strong non-religious authoritarian government and military surrounding it. That wouldn't be bad at all compared to Taliban government or pure chaos like right now.

I think someone like Saddam Hussein would be the right type of a leader for Afghanistan as long as he wouldn't commit genocide against any group or start a war with neighboring countries like Saddam did.

[Edited 2013-04-16 09:27:59]


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 18):
Had Soviet succeeded Afghanistan could be a relatively nice place compared to what it is now

Like Chechnya?



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7856 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2236 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
On one hand you've got an international competition rocked by an unknown assailant/assailants resulting in at least 3 deaths and hundreds of injuries, while on the other hand, as sad as it is, you've got one more in a long string of Al-Qaeda's attempts to destabilize Iraq, a news story which has swamped the headlines for over a decade now.

Obviously you don't care, nor do I really care about what happened in the US or Iraq for that matter, I consider myself desensitised to terror now, luckily we'll have forgotten about it by the end of the week and we'll await the next newsworthy event.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 14):
What's your definition of "nobody cares"?

Your email above.


User currently offlinegatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 874 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 18):
I think someone like Saddam Hussein would be the right type of a leader for Afghanistan as long as he wouldn't commit genocide against any group or start a war with neighboring countries like Saddam did.

Your credibility is diminishing by the second. I would stop posting...

As for civilian's dying in Afghanistan, this is the result of the absolute cowardly tactics employed by the Taliban. They purposely hide among civilians to bait our armed forces into an attack. But you're right, we are 100% to blame...  Yeah sure

[Edited 2013-04-16 10:01:55]


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 20):
Obviously you don't care,

You've no evidence of that by my pointing out the differences in the two events.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 20):
Your email above.

What e-mail?  



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7856 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 22):

What e-mail?

Post, I ment post.


User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
Like Chechnya?
Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 21):
Your credibility is diminishing by the second. I would stop posting...

As for civilian's dying in Afghanistan, this is the result of the absolute cowardly tactics employed by the Taliban. They purposely hide among civilians to bait our armed forces into an attack. But you're right, we are 100% to blame...  

Why so? You got to admit that with some strong non-religious dictator ruling Afghanistan with strong hand things would sure be a lot better than they are now. People could walk and drive around the country without fear of getting shot or exploded by Taliban or similar group, girls could freely educate themselves and so on.

The fact is that under rule of Saddam Iraq was a lot safer place, if he hadn't killed all those innocent Kurd people and tried to invade Neighboring countries I wouldn't really have had anything against him. Freedom and democracy simply don't work in countries where you have groups of people willing to kill each other because of little things like religion and ethnicity living in the same area, you need a strong government that keeps these groups in order using whatever means needed to prevent total chaos.

Without such a government things just fall apart when these groups get chance to start killing each other. Just look at big part of Sub Saharan Africa, that's exactly what's happening there too.

I think when Americans leave Afghanistan is going to slide into hands of extremists again, or at least continue as a unsafe and failed country like it is now.

Anybody who believes in freedom and democracy as a working path for these countries should definitely get real, it's not going to happen.



"A rational army would run away"
25 SXDFC : The loss of life is sad no matter where in the world it comes from, NO ONE wants to see innocent lives be taken away by someone who has a complete dis
26 gatorman96 : This is like saying Hitler would have been a great leader if he didn't kill millions of people and didn't try to rule Europe. Your argument is so fla
27 pvjin : What's so flawed about it? All I'm saying is that Iraq, Afghanistan and such countries always fall into total chaos if there's no strong dictator kee
28 kiwirob : Not so peacefull, we had a right wing nutjob kill 78 people (mostly teenagers) 2 years ago.
29 WestJet747 : Put down your copy of the Communist Manifesto for a moment and please point out an example of a successful dictatorship.
30 pvjin : Also you point me out a successful democracy from Middle East if we don't count Israel. Anyway, what about Saudi Arabia? In practice it's a dictators
31 Post contains images gatorman96 : Yeah, Cuba is in great shape. All the refugees that try and cross the Florida Straits on a makeshift boat made out of tampons are nuts. Why would the
32 Post contains images AeroWesty : Name an empire in the history of humankind which wasn't supported by slave labor in one form or another. Cuba. Good one.
33 pvjin : Some people think being able to buy a lot of things and living in middle of western materialistic culture will make them happier. Maybe it does that
34 Post contains links and images WestJet747 : Why constrain it to the Middle East? I've asked you for a successful dictatorship anywhere in the world. There are numerous successful democracies ar
35 AeroWesty : Yeah, but that still hasn't caused you to pull away from calling those empires "great". Interesting.
36 pvjin : Yes they are, at least in this case. Monarchy is just a pathetic excuse for one or a couple of individuals having huge amount of power and ability to
37 WestJet747 : Canada is technically governed under a constitutional monarchy...are we a dictatorship too? The fact is that dictatorships are brought on by force, m
38 pvjin : The difference is that in modern European style monarchy there's still democratic machine that holds the true power while in the monarchies of Middle
39 ALTF4 : And that, my friend, is your own fault. Start a thread next time, and if you don't start one, don't come crying about it here.
40 pvjin : Yeah maybe I will do that as an experiment 12th of September this year.
41 Post contains images ALTF4 : I did that on gun issues; I started threads every time a gun owner defended themselves for a day or two, since for a while we had threads every time
42 na : You wonder why the western media is more interested about what happens in the West? Maybe because the extremists in Iraq kill every day by the dozen?
43 zkojq : To be fair, the fact that the Boston attacks were caught on multiple videos is obviously going to increase the amount that the media plays and replays
44 jetblueguy22 : As this has been proven to be an old news story and has gone off topic to other things this thread will be archived. All posts made after the lock wil
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