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Meanwhile In Afghanistan...  
User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3492 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2584 times:

Meanwhile the entire world's eyes and ears turned to Boston after the horrible bombing of yesterday during a peaceful healthy multinational, multiracial, multicultural marathon... meanwhile, in Afghanistan about a hundred of Afghans were killed and tens wounded after a US bomber attacked a village north of Kandahar while celebrating a marriage. Traditions want it that they shoot in the air using rifles and that's what urged NATO to fly a bomber to fight there ! The village was not known for being Al-Qaida or Talibans camp. Pentagon says an investigation is in progress...

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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Any links to this? I havent heard anything. There is nothing on CNN or elsewhere.

User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12897 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2532 times:
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Not to mention 30-odd killed by bombs in Iraq the same day.

http://www.dw.de/nationwide-bomb-att...tle-iraq-ahead-of-polls/a-16743906



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User currently offlineBrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 628 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2509 times:

Well it remains to be seen whether this thing is not an 11 year old report, or even a hoax:

http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/LeZq...-bombings-and-the-hoax-report.html

Unless, of course, we're talking about civilians killed in Taliban attacks, including

In November a roadside bomb planted by Taliban fighters killed 17 civilians, mostly women and children, on their way to a wedding party in Farah.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2013/04/201343105748841685.html

Perhaps we lack reliable sources (unlike for the Boston attacks)...

Regards
BrusselsSouth


User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3492 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

Here is the link, but in French...

http://www.islametinfo.fr/2013/04/16...arde-une-fete-de-mariage-30-morts/


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 4):
http://www.islametinfo.fr/2013/04/16...arde-une-fete-de-mariage-30-morts/
Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 3):

Well it remains to be seen whether this thing is not an 11 year old report, or even a hoax:

Thats what I thought too as it sounds exactly like that what happened in 2002.

I guess if something tragic of that scale has happend these days it would be all over the media right now.

[Edited 2013-04-16 05:35:27]

User currently offlineBrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 628 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

This is indeed the 11 year old report getting resurrected by your "source":

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-bomb-kills-30-Afghan-wedding.html

While everyone is free to read any "news" source he/she likes (well, at least in some countries), using one as fact requires, at the very least, some basic cross-checking.

Regards
BrusselsSouth


User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3492 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

Really ! I didn't pay attention to that   

I sincerely apologize...


User currently offlineBrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 628 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

No worries. The event described in your link was horrible and worth being mentioned, anyway. Perhaps just not in connection to the Boston bombings.

Peace

BrusselsSouth


User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 6957 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

That website is of similar "quality" as the salon beige, where royalists and far right catholics spew their hate of the French Republic.


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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7846 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

Quoting na (Reply 5):
I guess if something tragic of that scale has happend these days it would be all over the media right now.

But the media are far more interested in 3 dead Americans than 50 or so dead Iraqis. Shows the true value of human life, some are obviously worth more than others.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-1...-iraq-kill-202c-injure-200/4630608

Not important enough to make the front page, that's reserved for the 3 dead Americans.


User currently offlineTheRedBaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2329 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2428 times:

And then they say that the Media is not a fear machine 24/7, that its not skewed .... change CHANGE would be Obama saying that he will bring to justice the perpetrators and chain of command the responsible for the Tragedy in Afghanistan, and then saying we will ALSO do the same in Boston...

Its s Shame... but a typical day on planet earth.

TRB



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2425 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 10):
But the media are far more interested in 3 dead Americans than 50 or so dead Iraqis. Shows the true value of human life, some are obviously worth more than others.

I honestly don't see how the two can be compared.

On one hand you've got an international competition rocked by an unknown assailant/assailants resulting in at least 3 deaths and hundreds of injuries, while on the other hand, as sad as it is, you've got one more in a long string of Al-Qaeda's attempts to destabilize Iraq, a news story which has swamped the headlines for over a decade now.

There's no "one life is more valuable than another" going on.  



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

Yeah it's disgusting how media always concentrates on stuff that happens in western world while way bigger tragedies happen all the time elsewhere.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ead/story?id=14499791#.UW1PErWeNdx

As an example in 2011 around when western people were still thinking about 9/11 attacks that happened 10 years ago a fuel pipe exploded in Nairobi killing a lot of people, did we see any threads about in airliners.net and elsewhere, did we see news headlines for many days to come? Nope, everyone was too busy thinking about something that happened 10 years ago in western world.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
On one hand you've got an international competition rocked by an unknown assailant/assailants resulting in at least 3 deaths and hundreds of injuries, while on the other hand, as sad as it is, you've got one more in a long string of Al-Qaeda's attempts to destabilize Iraq, a news story which has swamped the headlines for over a decade now.

It's not just Al-Qaeda and Taliban, US military is busy killing innocent people in Afghanistan (and of course before in Iraq too) all the time, yet nobody cares.



"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 13):
yet nobody cares.

What's your definition of "nobody cares"?



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User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3492 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

I disliked the way they wanted to dissuade attention from the Boston attacks to that bombing in Afghanistan, which deserves attention of course, but the story is well outdated ! This is Machiavellian journalism and misuse of media. And when it comes from a website that holds the name of Islam and Muslims then the impact is even worse. Shit !

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7970 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2323 times:

Aaaaaaand meanwhile in the islamic realms of the interwebs  

Hoax. This thread should be locked.... or the topic changed to bring back this:
http://homayra2013.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/a55dld-cuaelnkc.jpg


http://sadhillnews.com/2010/07/12/kabul-then-now


And before you look at that link above and say "it was all the Americans fault," well no. It was Soviet Union's fault. They invaded a peaceful country.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 16):
They invaded a peaceful country.

You might want to read up a bit on Afghanistan under its own country's communist party, the PDPA, in the period from about 1975 to immediately preceding the Russian invasion.

Wikipedia has a rather good summary of the events here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 16):
And before you look at that link above and say "it was all the Americans fault," well no. It was Soviet Union's fault. They invaded a peaceful country.

It's all Americas fault for giving weapons and money to Mujahideen. Had Soviet succeeded Afghanistan could be a relatively nice place compared to what it is now, it could be a country ruled by some left wing dictator that would keep Taliban and other religious clowns in order through whatever means needed.

I think democracy just doesn't suit certain cultures & societies and shouldn't be the goal there, only thing that could keep places like Afghanistan under control would be a strong non-religious authoritarian government and military surrounding it. That wouldn't be bad at all compared to Taliban government or pure chaos like right now.

I think someone like Saddam Hussein would be the right type of a leader for Afghanistan as long as he wouldn't commit genocide against any group or start a war with neighboring countries like Saddam did.

[Edited 2013-04-16 09:27:59]


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2253 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 18):
Had Soviet succeeded Afghanistan could be a relatively nice place compared to what it is now

Like Chechnya?



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7846 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
On one hand you've got an international competition rocked by an unknown assailant/assailants resulting in at least 3 deaths and hundreds of injuries, while on the other hand, as sad as it is, you've got one more in a long string of Al-Qaeda's attempts to destabilize Iraq, a news story which has swamped the headlines for over a decade now.

Obviously you don't care, nor do I really care about what happened in the US or Iraq for that matter, I consider myself desensitised to terror now, luckily we'll have forgotten about it by the end of the week and we'll await the next newsworthy event.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 14):
What's your definition of "nobody cares"?

Your email above.


User currently offlinegatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 874 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 18):
I think someone like Saddam Hussein would be the right type of a leader for Afghanistan as long as he wouldn't commit genocide against any group or start a war with neighboring countries like Saddam did.

Your credibility is diminishing by the second. I would stop posting...

As for civilian's dying in Afghanistan, this is the result of the absolute cowardly tactics employed by the Taliban. They purposely hide among civilians to bait our armed forces into an attack. But you're right, we are 100% to blame...  Yeah sure

[Edited 2013-04-16 10:01:55]


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 20):
Obviously you don't care,

You've no evidence of that by my pointing out the differences in the two events.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 20):
Your email above.

What e-mail?  



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7846 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 22):

What e-mail?

Post, I ment post.


User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
Like Chechnya?
Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 21):
Your credibility is diminishing by the second. I would stop posting...

As for civilian's dying in Afghanistan, this is the result of the absolute cowardly tactics employed by the Taliban. They purposely hide among civilians to bait our armed forces into an attack. But you're right, we are 100% to blame...  

Why so? You got to admit that with some strong non-religious dictator ruling Afghanistan with strong hand things would sure be a lot better than they are now. People could walk and drive around the country without fear of getting shot or exploded by Taliban or similar group, girls could freely educate themselves and so on.

The fact is that under rule of Saddam Iraq was a lot safer place, if he hadn't killed all those innocent Kurd people and tried to invade Neighboring countries I wouldn't really have had anything against him. Freedom and democracy simply don't work in countries where you have groups of people willing to kill each other because of little things like religion and ethnicity living in the same area, you need a strong government that keeps these groups in order using whatever means needed to prevent total chaos.

Without such a government things just fall apart when these groups get chance to start killing each other. Just look at big part of Sub Saharan Africa, that's exactly what's happening there too.

I think when Americans leave Afghanistan is going to slide into hands of extremists again, or at least continue as a unsafe and failed country like it is now.

Anybody who believes in freedom and democracy as a working path for these countries should definitely get real, it's not going to happen.



"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2446 posts, RR: 23
Reply 25, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

The loss of life is sad no matter where in the world it comes from, NO ONE wants to see innocent lives be taken away by someone who has a complete disregard for life. Its sad when people die innocently while running a Marathon in Boston, or perhaps going about their life in Afghanistan, or some other troubled country. Instead of posting threads life this, show some compassion for people, the same that would show some compassion if YOUR country was attacked.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 20):
nor do I really care about what happened in the US or Iraq for that matter,

What a wonderful thing to say.. You live in a peaceful country, and you should be thankful for that..

Quoting pvjin (Reply 18):
I think someone like Saddam Hussein would be the right type of a leader for Afghanistan as long as he wouldn't commit genocide against any group or start a war with neighboring countries like Saddam did.

If he did that in Iraq, what would stop him from doing that in Afghanistan?



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User currently offlinegatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 874 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 24):
The fact is that under rule of Saddam Iraq was a lot safer place, if he hadn't killed all those innocent Kurd people and tried to invade Neighboring countries I wouldn't really have had anything against him.

This is like saying Hitler would have been a great leader if he didn't kill millions of people and didn't try to rule Europe. Your argument is so flawed it's not even worth entertaining...



Cha brro
User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 26):
This is like saying Hitler would have been a great leader if he didn't kill millions of people and didn't try to rule Europe. Your argument is so flawed it's not even worth entertaining...

What's so flawed about it? All I'm saying is that Iraq, Afghanistan and such countries always fall into total chaos if there's no strong dictator keeping different religious and ethnic groups from killing each other and ruining the whole society.



"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7846 posts, RR: 5
Reply 28, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 25):
You live in a peaceful country, and you should be thankful for that..

Not so peacefull, we had a right wing nutjob kill 78 people (mostly teenagers) 2 years ago.


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1939 posts, RR: 10
Reply 29, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 27):
What's so flawed about it? All I'm saying is that Iraq, Afghanistan and such countries always fall into total chaos if there's no strong dictator keeping different religious and ethnic groups from killing each other and ruining the whole society.

Put down your copy of the Communist Manifesto for a moment and please point out an example of a successful dictatorship.



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 29):
Put down your copy of the Communist Manifesto for a moment and please point out an example of a successful dictatorship.

Also you point me out a successful democracy from Middle East if we don't count Israel.

Anyway, what about Saudi Arabia? In practice it's a dictatorship, it's economy is doing well and it has United States as its ally.

Cuba has been relatively successful too, people there are healthy and well educated and the system has stayed for over 50 years.

Majority of great empires in the history of humankind were very far from democracy, most of them plain or near dictatorships.



"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlinegatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 874 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 30):
Cuba has been relatively successful too, people there are healthy and well educated and the system has stayed for over 50 years.

Yeah, Cuba is in great shape. All the refugees that try and cross the Florida Straits on a makeshift boat made out of tampons are nuts. Why would they want to leave such a great country?  

Dictatorships are incredible if you are part of the dictators inner circle. Otherwise, the remainder of the population is completely oppressed. You can't say democracy won't work in the Middle East because no one has ever really tried. I will say the Middle Eastern countries that are more "Westernized" sure are better off than those who are under a true dictatorship...



Cha brro
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 32, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 30):
Majority of great empires in the history of humankind were very far from democracy, most of them plain or near dictatorships.

Name an empire in the history of humankind which wasn't supported by slave labor in one form or another.

Cuba. Good one.   



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 31):
Yeah, Cuba is in great shape. All the refugees that try and cross the Florida Straits on a makeshift boat made out of tampons are nuts. Why would they want to leave such a great country?  

Some people think being able to buy a lot of things and living in middle of western materialistic culture will make them happier. Maybe it does that for some, but I bet in the end many of these refugees won't be any happier in the US than they were in Cuba. It's not like they would have to starve or live in the streets there, they just can't buy much stuff and consume like they can in the US, that's all.

Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 31):
You can't say democracy won't work in the Middle East because no one has ever really tried.

Hasn't it been already tried in Iraq after United States invaded it, and we can see the result now. It simply doesn't work with all the Islamist groups out there waiting for the right moment to seek for power and make their countries even more backward than they actually are. Not to even mention all the fighting between Shia and Sunni Muslims...

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 32):
Name an empire in the history of humankind which wasn't supported by slave labor in one form or another.

Yeah none, but that's not matter of democracy or dictatorship. Majority of stuff we consume in our current democracies has been at least partially made by slave like workers in countries like India, China and such. To get their living they truly have no other choice than work in foreign owned factories/mines/plantations with long working days, horrible working conditions and extremely low salary.

We have just outsourced the slaves to other parts of the world.

"Cuba. Good one."

Cuba truly is a great place. People aren't slaves of capitalism and consumption centered trash society like most of us in the west more or less are, they are friendly, have a lot of solidarity towards each other, real social life instead of Facebook and other "social media" trash, the most beautiful women in the world, best rum and cigars & high quality healthcare and education.

Too bad not everybody can respect this, thus all the refugees, however the way how Castro stayed in power for over 50 years without having to use violence or other mean ways against Cuban population proves that millions of Cubans can respect what they have.

[Edited 2013-04-16 11:29:45]


"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1939 posts, RR: 10
Reply 34, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 30):
Also you point me out a successful democracy from Middle East if we don't count Israel.

Why constrain it to the Middle East? I've asked you for a successful dictatorship anywhere in the world. There are numerous successful democracies around the world, on every continent in fact.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 30):
Anyway, what about Saudi Arabia? In practice it's a dictatorship, it's economy is doing well and it has United States as its ally.

   A monarchy and a dictatorship are not the same thing.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 30):
Cuba has been relatively successful too, people there are healthy and well educated and the system has stayed for over 50 years.

Yeah, Cuba is doing just peachy  "Human rights in Cuba are under the scrutiny of Human Rights Watch, who accuse the Cuban government of systematic human rights abuses, including torture, arbitrary imprisonment, unfair trials, and extrajudicial execution."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Cuba



Quoting pvjin (Reply 33):
It simply doesn't work with all the Islamist groups out there waiting for the right moment to seek for power and make their countries even more backward than they actually are.

So in your idealistic Middle Eastern dictatorship, who do you think will rise to power? It sure as hell won't be the sectarians, it's going to be the very same Islamist groups you criticize.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 33):
To get their living they truly have no other choice than work in foreign owned factories/mines/plantations with long working days, horrible working conditions and extremely low salary.

We have just outsourced the slaves to other parts of the world.

A slave is someone that is "owned" and doesn't receive compensation. Those people in third world countries are not enslaved.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 35, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 33):
Yeah none, but that's not matter of democracy or dictatorship.

Yeah, but that still hasn't caused you to pull away from calling those empires "great". Interesting.



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2158 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 34):
   A monarchy and a dictatorship are not the same thing.

Yes they are, at least in this case. Monarchy is just a pathetic excuse for one or a couple of individuals having huge amount of power and ability to do whatever they want with it, it's basically just like a dictatorship.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 34):
Yeah, Cuba is doing just peachy  "Human rights in Cuba are under the scrutiny of Human Rights Watch, who accuse the Cuban government of systematic human rights abuses, including torture, arbitrary imprisonment, unfair trials, and extrajudicial execution."

American propaganda. Sure if you openly disagree with the government you will be sent to jail for some time, but executions, torture and such things, I guess they mistaken Guantanamo Bay base with rest of Cuba.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 34):
So in your idealistic Middle Eastern dictatorship, who do you think will rise to power? It sure as hell won't be the sectarians, it's going to be the very same Islamist groups you criticize.

So far that hasn't been the case. In all these "monarchies" which are truly just dictatorships leaders aren't Islamists, also Saddam wasn't particularly religious either.


Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 34):
A slave is someone that is "owned" and doesn't receive compensation. Those people in third world countries are not enslaved.

Traditional style slaves received their compensation through food and housing. Now these slaves of capitalism living in China, India and such receive tiny amount of money that is just enough to pay for food and basic housing.

In any case they are still slaves.



"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1939 posts, RR: 10
Reply 37, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 36):
Yes they are, at least in this case. Monarchy is just a pathetic excuse for one or a couple of individuals having huge amount of power and ability to do whatever they want with it, it's basically just like a dictatorship.

Canada is technically governed under a constitutional monarchy...are we a dictatorship too?

The fact is that dictatorships are brought on by force, monarchies are not. There are examples of positive monarchies; there are no examples of positive dictatorships.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 36):
American propaganda.

A majority of the references on that Wikipedia page are not American sources. Your claim of American propaganda is baseless.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 36):
also Saddam wasn't particularly religious either.

Right, so because he committed genocide based on ethnicity rather than religion, it makes it ok?

Quoting pvjin (Reply 36):
In any case they are still slaves.

No. They may be oppressed, but they are not slaves. Your definition is far too loose.



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 37):
Canada is technically governed under a constitutional monarchy...are we a dictatorship too?

The fact is that dictatorships are brought on by force, monarchies are not. There are examples of positive monarchies; there are no examples of positive dictatorships.

The difference is that in modern European style monarchy there's still democratic machine that holds the true power while in the monarchies of Middle East the power is held by the actual royal family.

Also the monarchies in Middle East are sustained by force, there's no way you can seriously question the power of the royal family in Saudi Arabia for example. They get all the power and wealth no matter what regular citizen want, they are no different from regular dictators.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 37):
Right, so because he committed genocide based on ethnicity rather than religion, it makes it ok?

When did I say it was okay? Of course the genocide Saddam committed was wrong, but nothing prevents a dictator from not doing stupid meaningless massacre like that while Islamists are pretty much guaranteed to do that stuff.



"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 39, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2121 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 13):
did we see any threads about in airliners.net

And that, my friend, is your own fault. Start a thread next time, and if you don't start one, don't come crying about it here.



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 39):
And that, my friend, is your own fault. Start a thread next time, and if you don't start one, don't come crying about it here.

Yeah maybe I will do that as an experiment 12th of September this year.



"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 41, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 40):
Yeah maybe I will do that as an experiment 12th of September this year.

I did that on gun issues; I started threads every time a gun owner defended themselves for a day or two, since for a while we had threads every time somebody went rambo with a gun.

Needless to say, the mods were not impressed.    



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 42, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2001 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 10):
But the media are far more interested in 3 dead Americans than 50 or so dead Iraqis.


You wonder why the western media is more interested about what happens in the West?

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 10):
Shows the true value of human life, some are obviously worth more than others.

Maybe because the extremists in Iraq kill every day by the dozen? Here in Germany it still makes rather big news every time, but I must say I am tired about hearing that again and again. Its just appalling to notice how many murderers are around there.

I guess its time to close this thread because:
Meanwhile in Afghanistan...nothing of importance happened.


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 43, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1917 times:

To be fair, the fact that the Boston attacks were caught on multiple videos is obviously going to increase the amount that the media plays and replays the story.

Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 31):
You can't say democracy won't work in the Middle East because no one has ever really tried.

Cough Lebanon, cough Jordan, cough Turkey. Technically even iran too, though the Ayatollah and various councils are the ones that choose who gets to be a presidential candidate.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 47):
No, 3 people lives lost in Boston seems to be more important and certainly seems to cause more outrage within the US than there bloody gun culture.. Go figure ?

Unbelievably crazy.



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Reply 44, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1786 times:
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