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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1826 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2345 times:
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I'm moving to San Francisco in a few weeks for my new position at SFO. I'm looking for a little guidance on where I could live for say less than $1200. Also I would like to be able to not be missing my car when I wake up in the morning....jk... On a serious note though I really don't want to spend more than 1,200 on a 1 bedroom and I would like to live no more than 30 min from the airport. Thanks for all your help.


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19275 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2318 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Thread starter):

On a serious note though I really don't want to spend more than 1,200 on a 1 bedroom and I would like to live no more than 30 min from the airport. Thanks for all your help.

Eh... heh... Right. So...

Let's have a reality check: You are looking to live either in the South Bay (Silicon Valley) or in or just south of SF. A 1 BR condo will cost about $400-$500k. A 1BR with a rent of 1,200 will either be in a very dangerous "ghetto" or not within the geographic region you mentioned.

Now, where I live in West Oakland, you can get that sort of rent. It's a bit "ghetto" but it's right near a BART station that will take you to SFO's International Terminal in 35 minutes. It's the only place I can think of where you have any hope of getting a 1BR for less than $1,700-$1,800.

Craigslist is the default around here for these things.


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11463 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2314 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
Let's have a reality check:

You live in West Oakland? We are almost neighbors! I thought you lived in LA.

Anyway, I live in Sonoma County and, even here, the "ghetto" is going for about $1000 a month for a 1 bedroom. To the OP: maybe you could find just a room in a house or apartment on the peninsula or East Bay near BART or CalTrain? We don't have trains here (yet) so North Bay is out if you want to get anywhere fast.



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1826 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2298 times:
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I drive so the 30 minutes would be driving distance. I would be willing to do a little further for convenient public transportation.


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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1247 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2298 times:

You could get a shoebox studio in San Bruno or Daly City for that money (about 300 sqft). 1 bed on the peninsula for 1200? Forget it.

East Bay FTW. I'd agree that West Oakland is a good bet but I'd be wary. Some areas are not very ghetto at all, some places are SUPER ghetto. Pick carefully.



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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2293 times:

a good board for questions like this for a broader response. (not that people here wont give you good advice). Look at the California/San Francisco section.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/

Your question will have been asked a thousand times (maybe not SFO per se, but the general area) on that board but you can look at the historical questions on there and see if something sounds promising.


User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2573 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

I live by Lake Merritt in downtown Oakland (the downtown side, not the Grand Avenue/Lakeshore side).

I have a one-bedroom for $1025/month and the neighborhood isn't dangerous at all. I live 4 blocks from the 19th Street BART station, but 12th Street and Lake Merritt Stations are 5-6 blocks respectively.

Check out Craigslist for the Oakland Downtown or Adams Point neighborhoods. Be quick, prices are going up because people are priced out of SF and the peninsula. I hate to even mention this because it's such a great place, but you are an A.net person after all.  

BTW, hi Doc...I thought you lived in Potrero Hill!

Edited to add: I just realized you have a car, but the freeway entrance to I-880 is extremely convenient also.

[Edited 2013-04-17 00:08:02]

User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39659 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2246 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Thread starter):
I'm looking for a little guidance on where I could live for say less than $1200.

Good luck with that.

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 4):
You could get a shoebox studio in San Bruno or Daly City for that money (about 300 sqft). 1 bed on the peninsula for 1200? Forget it.

I was thinking the same. San Bruno near Artichoke Joe's Casino has a low rent area. It's a little on the ghetto side but not dangerous. One of my auto mechanic friends lives in that neighborhood. It's mostly Latino and Filipino with large families in small houses and you do have a lot of cars on blocks in front yards. The area is a bit cramped but I never felt unsafe. There are some good family owned Salvadorian and Thai restaurants in the area.
Best of all for FlyDeltaJets is that it's only a 5 minute drive to SFO and literally in the flight path of international departures. I'm sure he doesn't mind the sounds of 747s and A340s taking off.  
I can ask my friend what a 1 bedroom would go for in his apartment. I bet his landlord doesn't even know about Craigslist. This area is a bit behind the times of the rest of the Bay Area - which kind of makes the area kind of cool.
It's the farthest you can get from hipster chic in the Bay Area.

Quoting johnboy (Reply 6):
I have a one-bedroom for $1025/month and the neighborhood isn't dangerous at all. I live 4 blocks from the 19th Street BART station, but 12th Street and Lake Merritt Stations are 5-6 blocks respectively.

If you don't mind me asking, how long have you lived in your place? I believe Oakland has rent control too and if you've been in your place for a number of years, your rent wouldn't be reflective of the market rate today.
Would your place still go for $1025 per month if you were to move out now?



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1826 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2245 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
I can ask my friend what a 1 bedroom would go for in his apartment. I bet his landlord doesn't even know about Craigslist. This area is a bit behind the times of the rest of the Bay Area - which kind of makes the area kind of cool.
It's the farthest you can get from hipster chic in the Bay Area.

That would be greatly appreciated. I would have no problem living in that type of neighborhood.



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39659 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 8):
That would be greatly appreciated. I would have no problem living in that type of neighborhood.

I'll give him a call on Friday when I get back home. He doesn't have email. He just turned 70. He doesn't like these new computers and thangs.



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3826 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Thread starter):
I'm looking for a little guidance on where I could live for say less than $1200.

Good luck with that.

Not if you live on the sidewalk on Market or Mission.



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User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2573 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2124 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
If you don't mind me asking, how long have you lived in your place? I believe Oakland has rent control too and if you've been in your place for a number of years, your rent wouldn't be reflective of the market rate today.
Would your place still go for $1025 per month if you were to move out now?


Hey Larry.....no we just moved here last September from Martinez.

I am exactly one block to the Lake and transportation links are fantastic. Madison, Jackson and Alice Streets, north of 14th street all have numerous older apartment complexes on them. The area is referred to on maps as the Gold Coast or Lakeside.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

Wow, you guys really don't want to know what I paid in rent in Oakland near Lake Merritt, or in the Oakland Hills near Piedmont in the late 70s/mid 80s. You'd faint.  


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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 4):
You could get a shoebox studio in San Bruno or Daly City for that money

Look for "in-law" apartments in the SFO area. Most are basement units in the back of the garage. Some may be a detached unit in a back yard. It could be a studio or 1 bedroom depending on the configuration. Your living room will be in the kitchen or vise-versa.   I used to have a backyard shack in San Bruno.

I took a quick look on Craigslist and they do have in-law apartments for $1200 or less near SFO.



Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
San Bruno near Artichoke Joe's Casino has a low rent area. It's a little on the ghetto side but not dangerous.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
It's mostly Latino and Filipino with large families in small houses
Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
The area is a bit cramped but I never felt unsafe.

My backyard shack was a few blocks away from Artichoke Joe's. The neighborhood is nicer than it looks and is very diverse. I never had any problems there. There are plenty of restaurants within walking distance and Artichoke Joe's has some great food for a very good price. Their Chinese food is excellent and the portions are so big I always had enough for several days.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
it's only a 5 minute drive to SFO

Getting to work at SFO was a breeze even if you don't have a car. I used to walk down San Bruno Ave to S. Airport Blvd then over to the economy parking lot and take the economy lot bus to the terminal. Total commuting cost: $0.00.  
Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
in the flight path of international departures. I'm sure he doesn't mind the sounds of 747s and A340s taking off.

I used to live there in the early 90's. My wake up call every morning was a UA DC-10 to Hawaii. I was also treated to 727's, 737's(jurrasic), DC-9's, L-1011's and a few other older type aircraft you don't see too much of today. The 777 and A330/340 were still on the drawing boards. Those were the good ole days.  


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1826 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2009 times:
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Quoting bohica (Reply 13):
Look for "in-law" apartments in the SFO area.

I did see a few in-law apartments. I was wondering what those were. Never heard the term in New York.



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39659 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1988 times:

Quoting johnboy (Reply 11):
Hey Larry.....no we just moved here last September from Martinez.


No offense but are you sleeping with your landlord to get that rate?  
That is totally awesome!   

Quoting johnboy (Reply 11):
The area is referred to on maps as the Gold Coast or Lakeside.


I know the area well. I used to go ride my bike around that lake an flirt with girls walking around the lake back in the late 90s.
I dated a girl walking her dog around the lake just a few blocks from your pad. We dated for several years. That is a nice area. A friend of mine is actively looking for a condo in your area.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
Wow, you guys really don't want to know what I paid in rent in Oakland near Lake Merritt, or in the Oakland Hills near Piedmont in the late 70s/mid 80s. You'd faint.


I'm sure it would make me jealous! You were the lucky one to live in the San Francisco Bay Area during the peak of Western Civilization - the disco era.  
Did you ever mingle at the singles parties at the Jack Tar Hotel?

Quoting bohica (Reply 13):
My backyard shack was a few blocks away from Artichoke Joe's. The neighborhood is nicer than it looks and is very diverse. I never had any problems there. There are plenty of restaurants within walking distance and Artichoke Joe's has some great food for a very good price. Their Chinese food is excellent and the portions are so big I always had enough for several days.



You are spot on with that one! Yes it does look a bit trailer parkish but the people are friendly & down to earth and things are cheap there. Was Cooper Tires there on San Bruno Ave in your days? That is where I buy my new white-wall tires for my old Lincoln. No special order necessary and no price mark-ups. There is still a big demand for those kind of tires in the area because people hang on to their old cars a long time there.

Quoting bohica (Reply 13):
I used to live there in the early 90's. My wake up call every morning was a UA DC-10 to Hawaii. I was also treated to 727's, 737's(jurrasic), DC-9's, L-1011's and a few other older type aircraft you don't see too much of today. The 777 and A330/340 were still on the drawing boards. Those were the good ole days.



Nice!
Didn't Aeroflot fly their IL-62 to SFO as well?
Even after the embargo was lifted, that is what they send to SFO until they got the IL-96.
Did CAAC ever fly to SFO?

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 14):
Quoting bohica (Reply 13):
Look for "in-law" apartments in the SFO area.

I did see a few in-law apartments. I was wondering what those were. Never heard the term in New York.



It's just a fancy name for a sectioned off basement. Some are done better than others. Some can be really nice but a lot of them are garage spaces with drywall and cold, slanted concrete floors with poor insulation. They can get quite cold in the winter time since some don't even have heaters. Look around, you may get lucky.



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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Was Cooper Tires there on San Bruno Ave in your days? That is where I buy my new white-wall tires for my old Lincoln. No special order necessary and no price mark-ups. There is still a big demand for those kind of tires in the area because people hang on to their old cars a long time there.

I can't remember a Cooper tire shop but that doesn't mean it wasn't there. There were several tire shops between 101 and El Camino Real. California doesn't have vehicle inspections like they do where I live so a lot of people can hang on to their cars longer there before they have to get a new one.



Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Didn't Aeroflot fly their IL-62 to SFO as well?
Even after the embargo was lifted, that is what they send to SFO until they got the IL-96.
Did CAAC ever fly to SFO?

I moved out of the area just before Aeroflot started flying there. IIRC, CAAC has been flying into SFO since the early/mid 80's. They changed the airline name to Air China around 1990.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
It's just a fancy name for a sectioned off basement. Some are done better than others. Some can be really nice but a lot of them are garage spaces with drywall and cold, slanted concrete floors with poor insulation. They can get quite cold in the winter time since some don't even have heaters. Look around, you may get lucky.

You described it better than I did. I referred to my in-law apartment as a "backyard shack." I used the term affectionately. It was a nice 1 bedroom unit that was separate from the main house. It had heat and insulation so it never got cold in there. Yes, the living room was in the kitchen and I learned to make the best use of the space there. Back when I lived there I was paying $500 rent, utilities included. It wasn't a bad deal at all.  


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3525 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

I rent out a 300' studio (mother-in-law) in San Jose for $975 (40 minutes from SFO).

Craigslist is the place to look, you can filter by price and neighborhood. Beware of the low ball prices though, there are several long-ongoing scams with that.

I would be looking for a better job/relocation package if that is all you can afford from salary (not knowing your finances). You need more to live here comfortably.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19275 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1855 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 2):
You live in West Oakland? We are almost neighbors! I thought you lived in LA.

Yah. Where do you live?

Quoting johnboy (Reply 6):

BTW, hi Doc...I thought you lived in Potrero Hill!

Used to. Moved just after Thanksgiving.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
I was thinking the same. San Bruno near Artichoke Joe's Casino has a low rent area. It's a little on the ghetto side but not dangerous. One of my auto mechanic friends lives in that neighborhood. It's mostly Latino and Filipino with large families in small houses and you do have a lot of cars on blocks in front yards. The area is a bit cramped but I never felt unsafe. There are some good family owned Salvadorian and Thai restaurants in the area.
Best of all for FlyDeltaJets is that it's only a 5 minute drive to SFO and literally in the flight path of international departures. I'm sure he doesn't mind the sounds of 747s and A340s taking off.

That's not a bad thought. Just stay away from Costco in San Bruno and South SF on a weekend. Those same Latino and Filipino families are there, each one with at least three generations including minimum three kids. SOOO crowded!

Anywho, we only have a few A340's anymore. We have SAS's A343 (woot!), LH's A346, and LX's A343. But we have a TON of 744s and even one or two A380s depending on the time. A330's are in relatively short supply, though. There's HA, but otherwise, the A330 is a bit too stretched on the Europe-West-Coast routes and also on the transpac routes, so not many get used to SFO. That said, KLM has sent them before!

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 14):

I did see a few in-law apartments. I was wondering what those were. Never heard the term in New York.

An in-law is a term for a separate unit on the same property, usually (but not always) in the same house but with its own dedicated door and kitchen, bath, etc.


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39659 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1846 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
ut we have a TON of 744s and even one or two A380s depending on the time.

  
Nice!

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
A330's are in relatively short supply,

You're not missing much. Lot's of the discount & charter European carriers send their A330s here to BKK.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
KLM has sent them before!

Does KLM still send their MD-11?



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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1247 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1806 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
It's just a fancy name for a sectioned off basement. Some are done better than others. Some can be really nice but a lot of them are garage spaces with drywall and cold, slanted concrete floors with poor insulation. They can get quite cold in the winter time since some don't even have heaters. Look around, you may get lucky.

I've seen some amazingly deceptive photos of these on Craigslist. When I was househunting in the East Bay there was one with an inlaw unit where you literally had to duck under a pipe (which was a height of 5 feet) to get from one side of the room to the other.

Most of these inlaw units are illegal units, which in many cases is understandable since the permit process is horrible. However if you see a unit which obviously is not to code (like that above), it speaks to the character of the landlord- chances are dealing with him will be a huge pain.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19275 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):

You're not missing much. Lot's of the discount & charter European carriers send their A330s here to BKK.

I like A330's. They're prettyful!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
Does KLM still send their MD-11?

Yup!  
Quoting zckls04 (Reply 20):

I've seen some amazingly deceptive photos of these on Craigslist.

Well, that's why you go see it before you rent it, silly!  


User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

You are going to have to bump your rent amount or get a roommate. I am in Pacifica an got VERY lucky have a nice 1BR for $1350. Pacifica is always foggy if that does not bother you.

Welcome to the Bar Area! It is expensive but you will love it! PM me and we can have a beer sometime. El Toritos near the airport has a great happy hour with great views of jets landing on 28.


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39659 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 20):
there was one with an inlaw unit where you literally had to duck under a pipe (which was a height of 5 feet) to get from one side of the room to the other.

Hate to see such carelessness and still expect top dollar.

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 20):
Most of these inlaw units are illegal units, which in many cases is understandable since the permit process is horrible. However if you see a unit which obviously is not to code (like that above), it speaks to the character of the landlord- chances are dealing with him will be a huge pain.

  
That is why I've always stayed away from renting those.
A friend of mine was in a nice 'looking' in-law in the Sunset dist. In the winter, the place was still freezing inside. It's still a garage with no insulation. Had to use space heaters with run up your electricity bill.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
I like A330's. They're prettyful!

Blah. I think they're boring.   
When they have 4 engines (A340), they are gorgeous!   

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
Well, that's why you go see it before you rent it, silly!  

Never rent or buy a place without looking at it first.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 22):
El Toritos near the airport has a great happy hour with great views of jets landing on 28.

Now you're making me hungry. We've had a few A.net meets there in the past.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19275 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1701 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 23):
When they have 4 engines (A340), they are gorgeous!   

When you become a billionaire, your private aircraft is going to be an A343 with a faux wood paintjob and lots of velvet in the interior.

Am I right?  
Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 22):
El Toritos near the airport has a great happy hour with great views of jets landing on 28.

Beni Hana is expensive, but they have a dining room with a view almost straight down the 28s. Elephant Bar is right next to El Torito, but I found their food to be way too salty.

When we had an A.net meetup wind up there on a rainy day (which turned into a margarita club with an airplane problem  , the aircraft were taking off of the 10's, which is unusual, and thus departing right over our head.


25 DeltaMD90 : I do believe the SFO area has the highest housing allowance in the military... it's at least near the top. That tells you that it's pretty expensive o
26 Post contains links Superfly : Nah, the A340 is too modern for me. I'd go with a 747-100 in the bare metal American Airlines livery decked out with shag carpets and piano bar. Basi
27 Post contains images DocLightning : I think it was HOONS. And I think we got him drunk.
28 Post contains images Superfly : You'll have to extend the favor to FlyDeltaJets when he arrives. Some of the best deals may require you to drive around and look at phone numbers on
29 Confuscius : The only college I know that has a crossing guard to help students cross 19th Ave. Got that right and that includes tio (uncle) and tia (auntie). Loo
30 Superfly : I had classes with many of those students. Many of those students still need to be treated like children and need crossing-guards.
31 Post contains images Confuscius : Actually the crossing guard is there to keep an eye for a reckless driving maniac in a 70s Lincoln Towncar!
32 Post contains images Superfly : LOL! Well you see, I helped create jobs. If everyone where obedient and rode public transportation or drove a Prius at the posted speed limit, there
33 Post contains images DocLightning : Toyota Siennas driving 2MPH in the parking lot. Doing eight-point turns to go into spaces you could land a 744 in. 53MPH in the left friggin' lane OM
34 Post contains images Superfly : Haha! I knew you had a little right-winger in you. That's only if he shops at Costco. Not sure he needs to stock up on a year's supply of mayonnaise
35 melpax : And I thought Melbourne rents were bad....
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