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Massive Explosion In Waco, TX  
User currently offlinedetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2917 times:

What is going on these days? Lets home this is not terrorism related.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/17/us/texas-explosion/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7296 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2910 times:

Think about it, it's the 20th Anniversary of Waco Siege this week, could be some nut commemorating the event.

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20552 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

The video on CNN looks horrific. Reports have come in that the roof of a nearby nursing home collapsed, and that there are worries of a second tank at the fertilizer factory exploding.


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

Quoting detroitflyer (Thread starter):
Lets home this is not terrorism related.

I can't help but think that it is something worse than an accident.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8838 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

The smell must be interesting. Hope everyone comes through OK.

Quoting detroitflyer (Thread starter):
Lets home this is not terrorism related.

Why would it be? Who would blow up a fertilizer plant after hours when hardly anyone's there?



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7296 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
Why would it be? Who would blow up a fertilizer plant after hours when hardly anyone's there?

On the news they are talking about hundreds of injuries and many fatalities.


User currently offlinedetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2850 times:

60-70 already reported dead......and prepare to say DAMMMMNNN, when you see the video of the explosion.

http://www.kwkt.com/news/caught-came...rtilizer-plant-explosion-near-waco



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8838 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 5):
On the news they are talking about hundreds of injuries and many fatalities.

I stand corrected. But this is hardly the first fertilizer (aka key ingredient in explosives) plant to blow up. Living near one is like living near a fireworks factory - one of these days it's going to go off.



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User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1635 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2825 times:

Fertilizer plant. Doesn't smell like terrorism, but non the less, that's a crazy explosion.


Here is the full video of the above link...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROrpKx3aIjA



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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5509 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Many, many homes leveled - obliterated. Simply tragic.


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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2794 times:

The explosion is NUTS!
A lot of people will be hurt hopefully not too many dead. I think the problem is the explosion knocked down a nursing home but I think the nursing home is too close to the plant to try to rescue people right now. Very large and intense fire.
Being a plant accidental is probably the cause. I am sure there will be a very long investigation once thing fire is put out. But that might be a while.



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11591 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

Quoting detroitflyer (Thread starter):
What is going on these days? Lets home this is not terrorism related

Volatile chemicals all in one spot. Living in the Bay Area with refineries all around, it just takes the flip of a switch one time to send everyone into a "shelter in place" order and two smoke stacks venting at an alarming rate.

I am really getting sick of "TERRORISTS!!!" the second something explodes in this country. I grew up near three grain elevators. They had fires all the time. Tiny grains of dust and particles bumped together to cause static charges. Sometimes, those static charges would start a fire. Nothing terror related, but just an act of nature.

I really wish people would get a grip. Go on living and stop passing judgment when no or few facts are know. This whole Chicken Little thing is wearing thin. I can't deal with it much longer.

Go on with your lives and, when the authorities have found their cause, then pass judgment. Until then: live.



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User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14004 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
Quoting kiwirob (Reply 5):
On the news they are talking about hundreds of injuries and many fatalities.

I stand corrected. But this is hardly the first fertilizer (aka key ingredient in explosives) plant to blow up. Living near one is like living near a fireworks factory - one of these days it's going to go off.

Just read about the Oppau explosion at BASF´s fertilser plant in 1921. It had the power of a small nuclear bomb (estimated 1-2 kilotons). The bang was still heard in Switzerland hundreds of kilometres away. The explosion didn´t just destroy the factory and the surrounding neighbourhood, but also killed an estimated 500-600 people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppau_explosion

Jan


User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2389 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 11):
I am really getting sick of "TERRORISTS!!!" the second something explodes in this country.

Yes. Always pointing the finger to the external enemy. Lax safety standards can be a much bigger killer at home.


David



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2849 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Simply terrible news

Quoting flymia (Reply 10):
I think the problem is the explosion knocked down a nursing home but I think the nursing home is too close to the plant to try to rescue people right now.

Good God, Town planners really need to start putting these types of industries RIGHT away from any human habitation. If its not fire work factories going up, its fertilizer plants blowing people to bits.



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User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14004 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 14):
Good God, Town planners really need to start putting these types of industries RIGHT away from any human habitation. If its not fire work factories going up, its fertilizer plants blowing people to bits.

Most often you have the factory first, built out in the boonies BECAUSE of the explosion risk, but then residential areas encroach on them because the land around them is cheap.

Jan


User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 697 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2641 times:

If winds in Waco are out of the south at 25mph, what risk, if any, does this pose to the DFW metro area in terms or air pollution/fertilizer being carried there?

[Edited 2013-04-17 23:42:07]


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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2849 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2599 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 15):
Most often you have the factory first, built out in the boonies BECAUSE of the explosion risk, but then residential areas encroach on them because the land around them is cheap.

Yes, Developers buying up cheap land to make a mottaza !

None the less, some stronger type of regulation needs to happen with regards to dangerous industries near residential dwellings IMHO.



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

Since this was a fertilizer factory, (dont they use Ammonium Nitrate to make fertilizer?), I think it was just a horrible accident. I hope not many people were hurt.

Quoting Stabilator (Reply 16):
does this pose to the DFW metro area in terms or air pollution/fertilizer being carried there?

It it does, hopefully my class gets cancelled! But with a low front coming through as I type this, wouldn't that hamper the affects of any bad stuff coming the DFW way?



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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3971 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2577 times:
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Ongoing press conference, the summary is, "there are lots of bodies, but we are too busy trying to pull people alive from collapsed homes/apartments to worry about counting them."

Quoting Stabilator (Reply 16):
what risk, if any, does this pose to the DFW metro area in terms or air pollution/fertilizer being carried there?

The main shelter and the emergency command center are downwind, just South of the explosion. If there is air pollution, they'll notice right away, giving the metro area about a 4-hour heads up. Obviously if it rains, it will dampen any potential risk.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20552 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

Sad irony, this disaster takes place almost 66 years to the day after the Texas City Disaster, which was another massive explosion from a fertilizer ingredient.

For such a small town, of around 2,500, the numbers coming out in regards to the damage is astounding. Homes and apartments simply flattened in the blast.



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 11):
I am really getting sick of "TERRORISTS!!!" the second something explodes in this country.

Ordinarily I'd be the first to agree with you, seb146. But, as kiwirob points out in Post 1, this event took place twenty years to the DAY from the FBI-led atack on the 'Branch Davidians' sect in Waco, in which 76 men, women, and children died. I think myself that it might very well turn out in the end to have been a terror attack.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/waco-siege-20-years-on-1734075



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9330 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 17):
None the less, some stronger type of regulation needs to happen with regards to dangerous industries near residential

They just need to copy the EU legislation. It's called the "Seveso laws" after the town in northern Italy.

I am amazed about that video with the family in the car. They obviously knew what kind of factory that was but instead of heading as far away from the plant as they could they sat there and watched.

GTHOOT is the motto if something like that happens for all who don't want to be on the waiting list for the Darwin awards.



PS - just watched the video again and the guy said "it should blast" . Well, it did less than a second later.

[Edited 2013-04-18 01:23:21]


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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13088 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

Apparently there was a small fire at the plant, the local fire department was called and their immediate actions to pour water on the fire site may have just triggered a further fire and a chemical reaction explosion.

This plant was on the one side of a small town about 20 miles north of Waco, TX, with houses, a nursing home, a community hospital, small businesses and a school within 500 meters/yards and severely affected. As daylight breaks there about the time of this posting, we should soon see the carnage and potentially huge number of deaths (15 or more) from this disaster as well as major search and rescue efforts.

For those that believe, pray for the victims and the town.


User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4588 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 22):

PS - just watched the video again and the guy said "it should blast" .

He said "Collapse" not blast.



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25 Post contains links txjim : And, on this week in 1947, a ship loaded with ammonium nitrate in the coastal town of Texas City exploded killing almost 500 people and leveling the
26 Post contains links LoneStarMike : Another sad aspect to this story is the fact that the City of West is small and they are served by a volunteer fire department, so they weren't even b
27 Post contains images PHX787 : This is reminiscent of the PEPCON explosion in Henderson back in those days....that mushroom cloud resembles Hiroshima...RIP to the victims
28 offloaded : Sky News is reporting some looting near the town. Some people need shooting.
29 Aesma : It mainly prevents new construction of plants near cities, though, older ones aren't shut down (well, they are one after the other, but mainly under
30 rfields5421 : First - is WAS NOT a factory. It was a repacking / distribution plant. They received the fertilizer - anhydrous ammonia - by rail in bulk tank cars, a
31 Post contains links rfields5421 : Channel 8 - WFAA-TV - is showing some live video from their helicopter of the blast site. There is a large crater located near the plant offices and w
32 Post contains links LoneStarMike : I believe that is exactly what happened in West. Gov. Perry held a press conference an hour ago and it was noted that the facility which had the expl
33 Post contains links NoUFO : Unless, of course, it is the one in Enschede (NL, 2009): http://youtu.be/mnDMhz2sQvo I read they told a TV team that they thought it was a school bur
34 Flighty : People have had race-based fears (KKK, etc) for generations. Today, "terrorism" is our way of saying, men of a different culture and race are very ve
35 DeltaMD90 : Wow, no. While I won't deny there is paranoia about Muslims (among other groups) I think having a concern about terrorism is logical. The way we deal
36 Post contains images Flighty : Yeah, maybe my message wasn't welcome or relevant in this case. But anyhow, the focus on Boston bombing rather than Newtown massacre of 20 kids... wh
37 DeltaMD90 : I'd actually throw it into the other category you list... we should not be focusing (as much) on mass shootings but rather the huge amount of single
38 BMI727 : Except that the only terrorists who would be those seeking some sort of revenge for the Waco siege, making them most likely white and American. One h
39 scbriml : Ask Europeans from the '70s & '80s - IRA, ETA, Baader-Meinhof/Red Army Faction...
40 Post contains links AeroWesty : First report of casualties: West, Texas, mayor says 35 to 40 dead in fertilizer plant explosion
41 PanHAM : all of which had close ties to the Middle East, to Fatah, Arafat and a certain Colonel in Libya who happily sponsored their terrorist attacks.
42 ltbewr : The developments overnight in the Boston area have pushed this story to lesser status despite the much greater number of dead there (at least 15, prob
43 scbriml : How does that make them "Middle-Eastern"?
44 PanHAM : specify "them" . ETA/IRA and the Baader/Meinhof gang all had not only close ties to the Middle East / North African terrorists, they have been sponso
45 scbriml : An IRA operative is not "Middle-Eastern" regardless of who provided his weapons, explosives and training or who paid for them. Ditto ETA, Baader-Mein
46 PanHAM : having "close ties" does not make them Middle Eastern correct me if my understanding of English is wrong. fact is, all these terror groups could not
47 Post contains links Aesma : There was the OAS in the early 60's that assassinated and bombed, even trying to kill French president De Gaulle. They were right wing fanatics and ki
48 PHX787 : There was a small incident like this in Phoenix earlier this year.... I forgot the details but a huge plant caught fire and if this factory was near
49 PanHAM : check replies 36 and 39 for understanding. I am sure that the nexplosion at West, Texas was an accident caused by a reason the investigations will re
50 PHX787 : OK now i understand, sorry for being slow here (no time to read airliners in Japan lol) Honestly though, it's understandable...with the bombing in Bo
51 rfields5421 : Senator Cornyn of Texas spoke to reporters after touring the site and meeting with officials. He said there are "60 people" unaccounted for in the tow
52 flyingclrs727 : My father was in high school in Houston when Texas City explosion happened and he heard and felt the explosion at school.
53 sccutler : I flew over West today on my way back to Dallas from Austin. Very easy to see the trail of destruction, the predominant direction that the blast took.
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