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Massive Explosion In Waco, TX  
User currently offlinedetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2916 times:

What is going on these days? Lets home this is not terrorism related.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/17/us/texas-explosion/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7250 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

Think about it, it's the 20th Anniversary of Waco Siege this week, could be some nut commemorating the event.

User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20494 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2900 times:

The video on CNN looks horrific. Reports have come in that the roof of a nearby nursing home collapsed, and that there are worries of a second tank at the fertilizer factory exploding.


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15729 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

Quoting detroitflyer (Thread starter):
Lets home this is not terrorism related.

I can't help but think that it is something worse than an accident.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8824 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

The smell must be interesting. Hope everyone comes through OK.

Quoting detroitflyer (Thread starter):
Lets home this is not terrorism related.

Why would it be? Who would blow up a fertilizer plant after hours when hardly anyone's there?



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7250 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2859 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
Why would it be? Who would blow up a fertilizer plant after hours when hardly anyone's there?

On the news they are talking about hundreds of injuries and many fatalities.


User currently offlinedetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

60-70 already reported dead......and prepare to say DAMMMMNNN, when you see the video of the explosion.

http://www.kwkt.com/news/caught-came...rtilizer-plant-explosion-near-waco



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8824 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2825 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 5):
On the news they are talking about hundreds of injuries and many fatalities.

I stand corrected. But this is hardly the first fertilizer (aka key ingredient in explosives) plant to blow up. Living near one is like living near a fireworks factory - one of these days it's going to go off.



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User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

Fertilizer plant. Doesn't smell like terrorism, but non the less, that's a crazy explosion.


Here is the full video of the above link...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROrpKx3aIjA



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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5504 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2801 times:

Many, many homes leveled - obliterated. Simply tragic.


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User currently onlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7140 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2793 times:

The explosion is NUTS!
A lot of people will be hurt hopefully not too many dead. I think the problem is the explosion knocked down a nursing home but I think the nursing home is too close to the plant to try to rescue people right now. Very large and intense fire.
Being a plant accidental is probably the cause. I am sure there will be a very long investigation once thing fire is put out. But that might be a while.



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11574 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2747 times:

Quoting detroitflyer (Thread starter):
What is going on these days? Lets home this is not terrorism related

Volatile chemicals all in one spot. Living in the Bay Area with refineries all around, it just takes the flip of a switch one time to send everyone into a "shelter in place" order and two smoke stacks venting at an alarming rate.

I am really getting sick of "TERRORISTS!!!" the second something explodes in this country. I grew up near three grain elevators. They had fires all the time. Tiny grains of dust and particles bumped together to cause static charges. Sometimes, those static charges would start a fire. Nothing terror related, but just an act of nature.

I really wish people would get a grip. Go on living and stop passing judgment when no or few facts are know. This whole Chicken Little thing is wearing thin. I can't deal with it much longer.

Go on with your lives and, when the authorities have found their cause, then pass judgment. Until then: live.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13985 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2746 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
Quoting kiwirob (Reply 5):
On the news they are talking about hundreds of injuries and many fatalities.

I stand corrected. But this is hardly the first fertilizer (aka key ingredient in explosives) plant to blow up. Living near one is like living near a fireworks factory - one of these days it's going to go off.

Just read about the Oppau explosion at BASF´s fertilser plant in 1921. It had the power of a small nuclear bomb (estimated 1-2 kilotons). The bang was still heard in Switzerland hundreds of kilometres away. The explosion didn´t just destroy the factory and the surrounding neighbourhood, but also killed an estimated 500-600 people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppau_explosion

Jan


User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2361 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days ago) and read 2676 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 11):
I am really getting sick of "TERRORISTS!!!" the second something explodes in this country.

Yes. Always pointing the finger to the external enemy. Lax safety standards can be a much bigger killer at home.


David



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2829 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days ago) and read 2672 times:

Simply terrible news

Quoting flymia (Reply 10):
I think the problem is the explosion knocked down a nursing home but I think the nursing home is too close to the plant to try to rescue people right now.

Good God, Town planners really need to start putting these types of industries RIGHT away from any human habitation. If its not fire work factories going up, its fertilizer plants blowing people to bits.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13985 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days ago) and read 2664 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 14):
Good God, Town planners really need to start putting these types of industries RIGHT away from any human habitation. If its not fire work factories going up, its fertilizer plants blowing people to bits.

Most often you have the factory first, built out in the boonies BECAUSE of the explosion risk, but then residential areas encroach on them because the land around them is cheap.

Jan


User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days ago) and read 2640 times:

If winds in Waco are out of the south at 25mph, what risk, if any, does this pose to the DFW metro area in terms or air pollution/fertilizer being carried there?

[Edited 2013-04-17 23:42:07]


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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2829 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 15):
Most often you have the factory first, built out in the boonies BECAUSE of the explosion risk, but then residential areas encroach on them because the land around them is cheap.

Yes, Developers buying up cheap land to make a mottaza !

None the less, some stronger type of regulation needs to happen with regards to dangerous industries near residential dwellings IMHO.



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User currently onlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1867 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

Since this was a fertilizer factory, (dont they use Ammonium Nitrate to make fertilizer?), I think it was just a horrible accident. I hope not many people were hurt.

Quoting Stabilator (Reply 16):
does this pose to the DFW metro area in terms or air pollution/fertilizer being carried there?

It it does, hopefully my class gets cancelled! But with a low front coming through as I type this, wouldn't that hamper the affects of any bad stuff coming the DFW way?



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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2576 times:
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Ongoing press conference, the summary is, "there are lots of bodies, but we are too busy trying to pull people alive from collapsed homes/apartments to worry about counting them."

Quoting Stabilator (Reply 16):
what risk, if any, does this pose to the DFW metro area in terms or air pollution/fertilizer being carried there?

The main shelter and the emergency command center are downwind, just South of the explosion. If there is air pollution, they'll notice right away, giving the metro area about a 4-hour heads up. Obviously if it rains, it will dampen any potential risk.



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20494 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

Sad irony, this disaster takes place almost 66 years to the day after the Texas City Disaster, which was another massive explosion from a fertilizer ingredient.

For such a small town, of around 2,500, the numbers coming out in regards to the damage is astounding. Homes and apartments simply flattened in the blast.



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 11):
I am really getting sick of "TERRORISTS!!!" the second something explodes in this country.

Ordinarily I'd be the first to agree with you, seb146. But, as kiwirob points out in Post 1, this event took place twenty years to the DAY from the FBI-led atack on the 'Branch Davidians' sect in Waco, in which 76 men, women, and children died. I think myself that it might very well turn out in the end to have been a terror attack.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/waco-siege-20-years-on-1734075



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User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9271 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 17):
None the less, some stronger type of regulation needs to happen with regards to dangerous industries near residential

They just need to copy the EU legislation. It's called the "Seveso laws" after the town in northern Italy.

I am amazed about that video with the family in the car. They obviously knew what kind of factory that was but instead of heading as far away from the plant as they could they sat there and watched.

GTHOOT is the motto if something like that happens for all who don't want to be on the waiting list for the Darwin awards.



PS - just watched the video again and the guy said "it should blast" . Well, it did less than a second later.

[Edited 2013-04-18 01:23:21]


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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

Apparently there was a small fire at the plant, the local fire department was called and their immediate actions to pour water on the fire site may have just triggered a further fire and a chemical reaction explosion.

This plant was on the one side of a small town about 20 miles north of Waco, TX, with houses, a nursing home, a community hospital, small businesses and a school within 500 meters/yards and severely affected. As daylight breaks there about the time of this posting, we should soon see the carnage and potentially huge number of deaths (15 or more) from this disaster as well as major search and rescue efforts.

For those that believe, pray for the victims and the town.


User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4568 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 22):

PS - just watched the video again and the guy said "it should blast" .

He said "Collapse" not blast.



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User currently offlinetxjim From United States of America, joined May 2008, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 12):
Just read about the Oppau explosion at BASF´s fertilser plant in 1921. It had the power of a small nuclear bomb (estimated 1-2 kilotons). The bang was still heard in Switzerland hundreds of kilometres away. The explosion didn´t just destroy the factory and the surrounding neighbourhood, but also killed an estimated 500-600 people.

And, on this week in 1947, a ship loaded with ammonium nitrate in the coastal town of Texas City exploded killing almost 500 people and leveling the city. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_Disaster

Quoting Stabilator (Reply 16):
If winds in Waco are out of the south at 25mph, what risk, if any, does this pose to the DFW metro area in terms or air pollution/fertilizer being carried there?

As TWA said, rains in the area are reducing any exposure threat. I'm pretty sure the EPA's ASPECT aircraft is in use to monitor the situation, it's based in North Texas.
http://www.epa.gov/NaturalEmergencies/flyinglab.htm


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3811 posts, RR: 34
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2348 times:

Another sad aspect to this story is the fact that the City of West is small and they are served by a volunteer fire department, so they weren't even being paid.

On a side note, I've been watching the press conferences and this gentleman Patrick Swanton from the Waco Police Department who is acting as spokesperson for the City of West is doing a good job, I think. Right from the start he asked reporters not to shout questions all at once. He's been very good about letting each reporter ask a question or two and then he answers them. (I hate press conferences where the reporters are all shouting questions at once and you don't hear half of what is being said.)

At an earlier press conference, Swanton said the fire was reported at 7:29 p.m. local time and the first responders were in the process of fighting the fire and trying to evacuate nearby homes & businesses and the explosion happened at 7:53 p.m. local time.

Here's a link to about 30 photos (so far) of the explosion, wreckage, and rescue efforts from the Austin American-Statesman

The current death toll is estimated to be between 5 and 15 people. I just hope it doesn't go higher and I hope the town will be able to rebuild what was lost.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7394 posts, RR: 17
Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

This is reminiscent of the PEPCON explosion in Henderson back in those days....that mushroom cloud resembles Hiroshima...RIP to the victims    


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User currently offlineoffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

Sky News is reporting some looting near the town.

Some people need shooting.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6591 posts, RR: 9
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 22):
They just need to copy the EU legislation. It's called the "Seveso laws" after the town in northern Italy.

It mainly prevents new construction of plants near cities, though, older ones aren't shut down (well, they are one after the other, but mainly under local pressure).

In September 2001 a seveso plant blew up in Toulouse, causing 29 deaths, 2,500 seriously wounded, and 8,000 light casualties. Two thirds of the city's windows were shattered, causing 70 eye wounds and several thousand wounds which had to be sutured. The full environmental consequences of the catastrophe are not yet completely known. The total damages already paid by insurance groups currently exceed 1.5 billion euros.



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

First - is WAS NOT a factory.

It was a repacking / distribution plant. They received the fertilizer - anhydrous ammonia - by rail in bulk tank cars, and other ammonia nirate in hopper cars. The plant then repackaged the fertilizer in to smaller pressurized tanks of the anhydrous ammonia for farmers to use for direct injection into the ground. They also repackaged te ammonia nitrate into smaller lots that the farmers could use.

Second - with a fire reported - the local volunteer firefighters knew the danger and were fighting the fire, however evacuations had already been started before the blast. No one in the town was sitting on their hands waiting for the fire to burn out, unless they were completely stupid. The local EMS director was not at the fire scene - he was preparing the residents of a nearby nursing home for evacuation.

Third - there are literally thousands of similar facilities scattered across the US in small towns. The most explosive potential in my opinion is all the LPG/ LNG distributors in small towns. Quite simply neither the US, nor the EU, have enough money to move all those facilities a 'safe' distance from the nearest homes / business. Yes they should be in safer locations, but that would also require establishing a safe zone around such facilities and buying out homeowners and moving ten of thousands of families. (You can't move the facilities because the hazardous waste cleanup would be more expensive than buying out the homes.)

This started as a fire, the explosion is completely consistent with other explosions in the past. Nothing 'unusual' in the development from a fire to an explosion to indicate a deliberate explosion.

Frankly, it would be very difficult for someone to make the fire / explosion scenario occur in time.

I've been to West many times. Covering football and basketball games for newspapers, attended some great Czech celebrations/ festivals, etc. It is a nice town, with good people. I hope all the folks I know survived.

The area from Waco up through West and over to Ennis were settled back 150-170 years ago by immigrants from what is now the Czech Republic - part of the extended 'German' immigrants which are a big part of the oldest families in Texas. Many of them in Texas before it became part of the United States.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

Channel 8 - WFAA-TV - is showing some live video from their helicopter of the blast site.

There is a large crater located near the plant offices and where two large tanks were located for the bulk anhydrous ammonia was received. According documents filed by the company, those tanks were rated at 12,000 gallon capacity (85% of total capacity).

The video also shows most of the ammonia nitrate storage and processing is somethat intact. Damaged, but not a source of the explosion.

The current supposition is that a fire in the office building heated the anhydrous ammonia tanks. The nearly pure ammonia is stored in liquid form below -28 degrees F. The working theory is that the fire destroyed the cooling system, and heated the tanks until the tanks exploded.

I don't have the formula handy to calculate what volume 12,000 gallons of liquid would be when it expands into a gas - this document describes farm usage of the material - and that the PSI increases from 93 PSI to 197 PSI when the tank is allowed to heat from 60F to 100F. The tanks - a couple dozen of which are visible in Google Earth and photos of the scene - are built to a 250PSI standard.

http://www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/cropsystems/dc2326.html

Anhydrous ammonia is not considered a flammable chemical. It takes a very high temp burning catalyst, such as platinum gauze, to create a temp high enough to ignite an ammonia and air mixture. The 'danger' from that ammonia is exposure to high concentration vapors, and very dangerous direct contact with the liquid form. Both of which can be quickly life threatening.


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3811 posts, RR: 34
Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 15):
Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 14):
Good God, Town planners really need to start putting these types of industries RIGHT away from any human habitation. If its not fire work factories going up, its fertilizer plants blowing people to bits.

Most often you have the factory first, built out in the boonies BECAUSE of the explosion risk, but then residential areas encroach on them because the land around them is cheap.

I believe that is exactly what happened in West. Gov. Perry held a press conference an hour ago and it was noted that the facility which had the explosion had been there since 1962. I saw a photo of the nearby West Intermediate School before the blast and judging from the architecture it was built in the 1970's. I'll bet the nursing home, apartments and homes were also built after 1962.

The Dallas Morning News had an editorial today

Explosion in West, Texas, should make all towns question zoning decisions

Quote:
The devastation from the explosion in West, especially given the known destructive power from the Oklahoma City bombing, should have been foreseeable. Whoever thought it was appropriate to place a middle school, retirement complex, apartments and houses next to a fertilizer plant needs to be called to account.

The editorial also mentioned the huge chain reaction of exploding acetylene gas tanks from a storage depot right next to downtown Dallas. I remember that incident.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7949 posts, RR: 12
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 14):
If its not fire work factories going up

Unless, of course, it is the one in Enschede (NL, 2009):

http://youtu.be/mnDMhz2sQvo

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 22):
I am amazed about that video with the family in the car. They obviously knew what kind of factory that was but instead of heading as far away from the plant as they could they sat there and watched.

I read they told a TV team that they thought it was a school burning down.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8468 posts, RR: 2
Reply 34, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 11):
I really wish people would get a grip.

People have had race-based fears (KKK, etc) for generations. Today, "terrorism" is our way of saying, men of a different culture and race are very very scary, and they are pure evil, and they must die.

This looks like just a detonation of material proximate to a very hot looking fire.

[Edited 2013-04-18 20:55:54]

User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7867 posts, RR: 52
Reply 35, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1803 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 34):
Today, "terrorism" is our way of saying, men of a different culture and race are very very scary, and they are pure evil, and they must die.

Wow, no. While I won't deny there is paranoia about Muslims (among other groups) I think having a concern about terrorism is logical. The way we deal with it may be wrong IMO, and I agree Seb, people scream "terrorist" too much but having a huge explosion days after a real terrorist attack, how can you blame some people from thinking it may be another attack?



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8468 posts, RR: 2
Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1795 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 35):
people scream "terrorist" too much but having a huge explosion days after a real terrorist attack, how can you blame some people from thinking it may be another attack?

Yeah, maybe my message wasn't welcome or relevant in this case. But anyhow, the focus on Boston bombing rather than Newtown massacre of 20 kids... why the focus on the bombing? Does it excite us that a Saudi may have killed 3 people and wounded many others? Does our response involve killing thousands of people overseas? Is terror something only middle-easterners do? Tune in next week  


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7867 posts, RR: 52
Reply 37, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1751 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 36):
rather than Newtown massacre of 20 kids

I'd actually throw it into the other category you list... we should not be focusing (as much) on mass shootings but rather the huge amount of single victim/smaller shootings. Newton was a tragedy, yes, but I'll just pull numbers I'm fairly confident on and say that way more kids meet their fate from lesser known shootings than the few mass shootings. But I think we're basically on the same page, more or less

And I think the focus on this explosion is the semi-bizarre nature of it... not every day you see a massive explosion like that



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15729 posts, RR: 26
Reply 38, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1750 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 34):
Today, "terrorism" is our way of saying, men of a different culture and race are very very scary, and they are pure evil, and they must die.

Except that the only terrorists who would be those seeking some sort of revenge for the Waco siege, making them most likely white and American.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 36):
But anyhow, the focus on Boston bombing rather than Newtown massacre of 20 kids... why the focus on the bombing?

One happened a few days ago, the other happened a few months ago. Newtown was a huge deal. Nobody is talking about rewriting laws after the Boston bombing.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 36):
Is terror something only middle-easterners do?

No, and everyone has known that for years.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 39, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1719 times:
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Quoting Flighty (Reply 36):
Is terror something only middle-easterners do?

Ask Europeans from the '70s & '80s - IRA, ETA, Baader-Meinhof/Red Army Faction...



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20494 posts, RR: 62
Reply 40, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

First report of casualties:

West, Texas, mayor says 35 to 40 dead in fertilizer plant explosion

Quote:
WEST, TEXAS --The mayor of this city said 35 to 40 people are believed to be dead in a massive fertilizer plant explosion “because they are unaccounted for and still missing.”

“We are out there searching the rubble, looking in each and every house. We are trying to locate each and every citizen,” Mayor Tommy Muska said in a telephone interview with The Times.

Muska said he arrived at the count of 35 to 40 dead because all other residents and first-responders in the area have been identified. Among those who were missing and believed dead, he said, were as many as six firefighters and four emergency medical technicians.



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User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9271 posts, RR: 29
Reply 41, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1679 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 39):
Ask Europeans from the '70s & '80s - IRA, ETA, Baader-Meinhof/Red Army Faction...

all of which had close ties to the Middle East, to Fatah, Arafat and a certain Colonel in Libya who happily sponsored their terrorist attacks.



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 42, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

The developments overnight in the Boston area have pushed this story to lesser status despite the much greater number of dead there (at least 15, probably at least double that).

The deeper issue with this explosion is that there are 100's of these fertilizer processing and distribution facilities throughout the USA handling with these hazardous materials, some of which are used with other chemicals to do blasting and there is almost no enforcement of safety regulations by state and Federal authorities.

This also raises the issues, a common one in Texas and other states of the lack of sound zoning regulations so that housing, schools and other populated facilities can be located too close to dangerous facilities.


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Reply 43, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1649 times:
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Quoting PanHAM (Reply 41):
all of which had close ties to the Middle East, to Fatah, Arafat and a certain Colonel in Libya who happily sponsored their terrorist attacks.

How does that make them "Middle-Eastern"?



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User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9271 posts, RR: 29
Reply 44, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1634 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 43):
How does that make them "Middle-Eastern"?

specify "them" . ETA/IRA and the Baader/Meinhof gang all had not only close ties to the Middle East / North African terrorists, they have been sponsored by them as well. Directly with money and training at the Fatah etc bases plus with a retreat which could not be reached by the police forces at their homelands, The baader/Meinhof gang had an additional sponsor and providor of retreat with the East German regime.

All this was closely interconnected in the 70s and 80s and probably still is.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 45, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1597 times:
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Quoting PanHAM (Reply 44):
specify "them"

An IRA operative is not "Middle-Eastern" regardless of who provided his weapons, explosives and training or who paid for them. Ditto ETA, Baader-Meinhof, etc.



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User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9271 posts, RR: 29
Reply 46, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 41):
all of which had close ties

having "close ties" does not make them Middle Eastern

correct me if my understanding of English is wrong.

fact is, all these terror groups could not have existed without the logistic and monetary assistance from --- well, you know from where. Well, maybe the IRA and that closes the circle to last Sunday....



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6591 posts, RR: 9
Reply 47, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1579 times:

There was the OAS in the early 60's that assassinated and bombed, even trying to kill French president De Gaulle. They were right wing fanatics and killed thousands. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organis...ion_de_l%27arm%C3%A9e_secr%C3%A8te


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7394 posts, RR: 17
Reply 48, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1575 times:

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 32):
The editorial also mentioned the huge chain reaction of exploding acetylene gas tanks from a storage depot right next to downtown Dallas. I remember that incident.

There was a small incident like this in Phoenix earlier this year.... I forgot the details but a huge plant caught fire and if this factory was near houses, there would have been a similar effect had the plant exploded (thankfully the fire was contained before this happened....

but there wasn't an explosion...but there were evacuations.

Where I'm from originally, in Cincinnati, there's rarely a huge plant like this next to any residential areas.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 46):
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 41):
all of which had close ties

having "close ties" does not make them Middle Eastern

correct me if my understanding of English is wrong.

fact is, all these terror groups could not have existed without the logistic and monetary assistance from --- well, you know from where. Well, maybe the IRA and that closes the circle to last Sunday....

and I don't know what any of this has to deal with the explosion.



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User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9271 posts, RR: 29
Reply 49, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 48):
and I don't know what any of this has to deal with the explosion.

check replies 36 and 39 for understanding.

I am sure that the nexplosion at West, Texas was an accident caused by a reason the investigations will reveal. It is most likely not terror related. But these days "terror" will always come up as potential cause when something like this happens.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7394 posts, RR: 17
Reply 50, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1514 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 49):
I am sure that the nexplosion at West, Texas was an accident caused by a reason the investigations will reveal. It is most likely not terror related. But these days "terror" will always come up as potential cause when something like this happens.

OK now i understand, sorry for being slow here (no time to read airliners in Japan lol)

Honestly though, it's understandable...with the bombing in Boston, and the Waco explosion the next day, people have every right to be a little suspicious...but my next question would be "why Waco?" unless it was another nutcase pissed off about the Waco Seige....



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 51, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

Senator Cornyn of Texas spoke to reporters after touring the site and meeting with officials.

He said there are "60 people" unaccounted for in the town of West. Officials emphasize that they are still crosschecking reportedly missing people against hospital lists, known evacuation centers, etc.

There are also reportedly many people who evacuated the city after the fire startd but before the explosion occured who went to relatives and friends out of the area.

Twelve bodies have been recovered from the blast site area and sent to Dallas/Fort Worth for identification.


User currently offlineflyingclrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1441 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 20):
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 20):
Sad irony, this disaster takes place almost 66 years to the day after the Texas City Disaster, which was another massive explosion from a fertilizer ingredient.

My father was in high school in Houston when Texas City explosion happened and he heard and felt the explosion at school.


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Reply 53, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1383 times:

I flew over West today on my way back to Dallas from Austin. Very easy to see the trail of destruction, the predominant direction that the blast took. It occurred to me that, had I been over the town when the explosion occurred, the shock wave would have been very harsh.


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