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Two Bomb Blast In Boston USA Part 2  
User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2845 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7021 times:
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The last thread had gotten quite long so part two is being created. The previous thread can be found here Two Bomb Blast In Boston USA (by OA260 Apr 15 2013 in Non Aviation) .
The previous thread was getting a little heated. Please remember to follow the Airliners.net forum rules. This is a very high tension situation but forum rules still apply.
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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7012 times:

Aerowesty,

I hate to tell this to y ou but what Slider is saying makes a lot of sense.

It hasn't been conclusively shown they did this for Islamic reasons but there is a heck of a lot of smoke.

Right now we have only begun to learn about these two



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7002 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 1):
It hasn't been conclusively shown they did this for Islamic reasons but there is a heck of a lot of smoke.

If you've read my posts over the years, I've NO problem calling a spade a spade. Just give me some definite proof instead of supposition, that's all. But I'm not going to go off on assumptions just because some wacko website got me all lathered up.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6977 times:

Actually I have said wait for things to sort out a couple of times on the previous thread, so I agree with you there.

But based what we know, I would have to say that I am more Comfortable calling it probably Islamically related then I when I went to bed last night,

I haven't seen the fire but it is sure getting smokey in here.



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11806 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6962 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 1):
It hasn't been conclusively shown they did this for Islamic reasons

Then stop bringing Islam into it. What about Chechen independence? Couldn't they have committed this horrible act just simply for that?

Before anyone says anything, stop and think for a second:

A group in Russia wants religious freedom. They want to worship as they please. Contrast that with the United States where we allegedly have freedom of/from religion and, in theory, can worship as we please. I say that because of the uproar over a couple of Islamic centers and Mosques that have tried to be opened and loud mouth people who scream about "this is a Christian nation".

Shouldn't everyone be free to worship how they choose?

For someone to make that point by murder and violence is bad. Awful. I don't have enough negative words to describe it.



Life in the wall is a drag.
User currently offlineBoeing717200 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 940 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6945 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 4):
Then stop bringing Islam into it. What about Chechen independence? Couldn't they have committed this horrible act just simply for that?

Before anyone says anything, stop and think for a second:

A group in Russia wants religious freedom. They want to worship as they please. Contrast that with the United States where we allegedly have freedom of/from religion and, in theory, can worship as we please. I say that because of the uproar over a couple of Islamic centers and Mosques that have tried to be opened and loud mouth people who scream about "this is a Christian nation".

Shouldn't everyone be free to worship how they choose?

For someone to make that point by murder and violence is bad. Awful. I don't have enough negative words to describe it.

Well, there is this:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/19/de...was-a-very-religious-muslim-boxer/


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6934 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 4):
Then stop bringing Islam into it. What about Chechen independence?

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know that the US somehow had laid a claim on Chechen territory. What does Chechen independence have to do with the US? Nothing. US-Russian relations have been strained because we have protested (correctly, IMHO) Russia's frequently harsh methods. We never cheered the Russians on. At the same time we have also not declared support for their independence. I.e. we are neutral on the issue of Chechnya.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6919 times:

Seb-I don't think the subjects of Chechen independence and Islam are seperatable. So no I don't think they would have done this act just for the former. I suspect that because of the civil war there they are alread ticked off Muslims and while the US played no role in chechnya(thank god!) I suspect their ideology supports is,amic extremists in other causes maki the US a legitimate target in their eyes......Enemy of, enemy kind of deal.

Maybe some of our Russian colleagues here can comment more fully on the motivations of chechyan terrorists.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6901 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 1):
It hasn't been conclusively shown they did this for Islamic reasons but there is a heck of a lot of smoke.

We can not say what their motive was unless this other dude on the run is caught and basically squeezed for everything he knows....

It kinda reminds me though of the columbine combo's thing...a duo with messed up brains...

From the other thread, via pvjin:

Quote:
I can understand why they are angry though, Russians destroying their whole capital into ruins using heavy artillery and randomly just going around and raping & killing civilians is something that would surely make anybody angry.


Well why would they attack us? Last I checked the US wasn't so friendly to Russia at the moment either....



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6879 times:

I wonder how they obtained the guns they had on them. I wonder what the fallout will be if they were bought via "private gun sales"....

(Just throwing another aspect into this discussion that is proceeding without solid information anyway already and just going off possibilities and assumptions)

Tugg



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6877 times:

Phx787- the Islamist in Chechnya and extremists in the middle east have always though they where fighting a common enemy, akathe west. Just like in Iraq and Afghanistan extremist fighters from other Islamic countries went there to join the fight.

The US never had a role in Chechnya but never condemned Russia for it, so I think it goes back to that old saying that goes, "The enemy of my enemy......"

But the perception is that the US is anti Islamic so if these two do prove out to be religious then I am going to suggest that religion played a lot bigger part in what they did then Cechian independence.



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6868 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8):
Well why would they attack us? Last I checked the US wasn't so friendly to Russia at the moment either....

Yeah like I said I don't think this has anything to do with actual Chechen conflict, other than that of course the chaos there might have caused some Muslims who would have otherwise been peaceful to become radicalized...

It's not uncommon for some radical Muslims from abroad to travel to places like Chechnya and Afghanistan to fight Islamic Jihad, thus I guess it's not impossible that these two men wanted to fight against the United States because of the situation in Afghanistan / Iraq and such, like as act of solidarity towards their fellow Jihadists like people in Al Qaeda and Taliban.

[Edited 2013-04-19 09:15:48]


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User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6859 times:

And of course the comments that everything is a "gummint conspeersy", as DocLightning so nicely put it, already started. They claim everything to be a, quote, "false flag operation by private military contractors", unquote, and the police "punches holes into innocent people" to cover it up.

These statements are backed up by such trustworthy news sites like naturalnews.com, where, among others, such brilliant scientific knowledge like "HIV is made up by the pharma industry", "baking soda cures prostate cancer", and "vaccination causes brain disease" is published.

Trying to reason with the posters on the Austrian news outlet I found these comments on led to the conclusion that my "frontal lobe is unable to process realistic but disturbing information", which according to a "scientific survey holds true for 80% of all people" and is called - my favorite - "neurologically caused unrealistic optimism".

PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE!

[Edited 2013-04-19 09:18:50]


WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1939 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6860 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
At the same time we have also not declared support for their independence. I.e. we are neutral on the issue of Chechnya.
Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):
The US never had a role in Chechnya but never condemned Russia for it

If I recall correctly, Bush was actually highly critical of Putin's handling of the Chechen issue. I don't know if that amounts to "support", but he wasn't exactly neutral either. I don't think Obama has ever made any mention of it since he's taken office, which is fine because I think the US should keep their nose out of this one.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 9):
Bringing Islam into the equation reeks of an agenda.

I have to agree. Commentators on Toronto news stations made the unfortunately obvious point last night that the only reason this discussion has gone this direction is because there is a subset of Americans that WANT the perpetrators to be Muslim, and have committed these acts in the name of their beliefs.

At the end of the day, it's all just speculation at this point. We don't know why these guys did it (or even fully IF they did it, which is why I hope the other guy is caught and tried in a court of law). The only real outrage I'm feeling at any religion right now is at whatever the Westboro Baptist Church claim to be, since they are of course planning to picket the funerals.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 10):
I hate how in these situations the police always kill the suspects.

They caught the Unabomber and McVeigh alive.



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6849 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 10):
It's unlikely, but I wish they could capture the last one alive so everyone could get some answers and closure. I hate how in these situations the police always kill the suspects.

Weirdly and of some concern to me, the press contacted their father over in Russia and while he apparently did not support what they did, he made an odd reference, perceived by some as a threat that if they were killed "all hell would break loose".

Quote:
The father of the suspects, reached in Makhachkala, Russia, by The Associated Press, characterized his younger son as an intelligent and accomplished young man.

"My son is a true angel," Anzor Tsarnaev said. "Dzhokhar is a second-year medical student in the U.S. He is such an intelligent boy. We expected him to come on holidays here."

Anzor Tsarnaev called on his son to surrender peacefully, but reportedly warned the United States that “all hell will break loose” if he’ll killed. He told ABC News that he spoke to his sons by phone earlier this week. He said his sons reassured him, saying, "Everything is good, Daddy. Everything is very good."

"Give up. Give up. You have a bright future ahead of you,” Anzor Tsarneav said, according to ABC News. “Come home to Russia.”

He continued: "If they killed him, then all hell would break loose."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/19...ails-from-overseas-been-in-us-for/

Weird.

Tugg



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7279 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6794 times:

CNN reported that based on their online activity, extremist beliefs are certainly in play.

The interview with his Uncle who has not seen the kids since December 2005 was interesting. The uncle is ashamed of them, and pleaded for the one still on the run to turn him self in. His uncle was intense, but seems like a good man.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 10):
It's unlikely, but I wish they could capture the last one alive so everyone could get some answers and closure. I hate how in these situations the police always kill the suspects.

Well so many times it is not the police but the person taking their own life once they know the police are coming. The police don't want to shoot the guy but they might have no choice. If he has a weapon and looks like he will use it those officers need to protect themselves. Nothing we can do. These people are nuts.

Quoting tugger (Reply 11):
I wonder how they obtained the guns they had on them. I wonder what the fallout will be if they were bought via "private gun sales"....

Given that they are both U.S. citizens, as of now there are no criminal records on these two guys they could have purchased a gun anyway with all the FBI checks in the world. So what you said makes ZERO sense. Nice try to get the gun debate in though. Well only the older brother could purchase a handgun.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6781 times:

Whoa, too close for comfort:

Boston eyewitness: 'Bullet came through my wall'



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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6177 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6778 times:
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Quoting flymia (Reply 17):
Given that they are both U.S. citizens, as of now there are no criminal records on these two guys they could have purchased a gun anyway with all the FBI checks in the world. So what you said makes ZERO sense. Nice try to get the gun debate in though. Well only the older brother could purchase a handgun.

From what I heard on ABC news is that they were throwing hand grenades at police during the chase. If that is true they would not have been able to buy them legally. They would have had to buy them through some sort of illegal arms dealer and that person many very well have sold and illegally imported the guns along with the grenades.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12970 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6776 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 1):
I hate to tell this to y ou but what Slider is saying makes a lot of sense.

Not sure what you are talking about.

The only remaining post is:

Quoting slider (Reply 226):

Connect the dots gang...

It was the Saudis....

http://www.examiner.com/article/bost....likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D

So the kid, with known and clear ties to powerful Saudi family and terror connections, is getting deported after a private meeting between Obama and the Saudi Foreign Minister?

Come on, we're not stupid. This ought to be front page news EVERYWHERE.

And clearly that post was conspiracy theory nonsense.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6676 times:

I'm surprised it's taking so long to find this guy, it's been several hours now since the younger brother took off from the gunfight, and they know where he dropped the car. Perhaps he's hiding out in a vacant house or something?


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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6665 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 22):
I'm surprised it's taking so long to find this guy, it's been several hours now since the younger brother took off from the gunfight, and they know where he dropped the car. Perhaps he's hiding out in a vacant house or something?

It is often hardest to find someone that doesn't move. If he is just hiding then it may be awhile, but the reality is you can't hide forever. At some point he will have to move, sleep, eat, get out, whatever.

Tugg



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6650 times:

I'm also wondering if he was so far ahead of the cops that he was able to find another car to carjack, and could be long gone. Just as I was thinking that, CNN broadcast the details for another car the police are looking for, a green Civic.


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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12970 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6622 times:

#WANTED: Police seeking MA Plate: 116-GC7, ’99 Honda Sedan, Color - Green. Possible suspect car. Do not approach. http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIO733TCUAEtyjQ.jpg

So he might be on the move...

Now editting a correction:

MASS STATE POLICE @MassStatePolice
Media reporting we are looking for a Honda Civic reg 116GC7, please note that we have that car. We are NOT looking for it. BOLO recalled

So it's not clear why they wanted that car, but they have it.

[Edited 2013-04-19 11:39:03]


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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12970 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6653 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 24):
I'm also wondering if he was so far ahead of the cops that he was able to find another car to carjack, and could be long gone.

We know he fled on foot from the shootout where his brother was killed.

In the police radio recordings here we here the police supervisors telling the cops to pull back.

I imagine this is when the brother got away.

A timeline of events is here.

Seems the critical part is:

Quote:

Shortly before 10:20 p.m. -A 7-11 in Cambridge is robbed by the men believed to be the Boston Marathon bombing suspects.

10:20 p.m. - An MIT police officer was shot and killed in an ambush. It was originally reported that the officer had been responding to a report of disturbance in the area of Vassar and Main streets in Cambridge. However, law enforcement officials later said he was sitting in his car with his gun in his holster when he was “ambushed” by the two suspects.

Approximately 11:30 p.m. - An armed carjacking took place in the area of Third Street in Cambridge. The victim was held in the Mercedes SUV for approximately a half hour.

Friday, approximately 12 a.m. - The carjacking victim was released at a gas station on Memorial Drive in Cambridge. He was not injured. Police immediately began searching for the vehicle involved.

1 a.m. - Officers from several agencies were involved in a pursuit into Watertown. Gunshots and explosions were heard in the area of Dexter and Laurel streets in Watertown. Explosive devices were reportedly thrown from car by the suspects. The suspects and police also exchanged gunfire in the area of Dexter and Laurel streets. An MBTA police officer was shot and seriously injured during the pursuit. One of two Boston Marathon bombing suspects was injured and captured.

1 a.m. - Police agencies descended on Watertown. A manhunt was underway for the second suspect, who managed to escape on foot. A 20-block area was surrounded by police.

1:35 a.m. - The injured Boston Marathon Bombing suspect died at the hospital.

So the second brother who is being called 'white hat' by the cops and press has been on the lam since 1 am.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6680 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 27):
We know he fled on foot from the shootout where his brother was killed.

Odd, the news has been saying all morning that he drove over his brother fleeing from the shootout.

(BTW, the death photo of Tamerlan Tsarnaev has been making the rounds. It's fairly gruesome, but apparently real.)



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25 Geezer : Lignet is reporting; that two young brothers from the Russian province of Chechnya who have lived in the United States for several years were behind t
26 Revelation : A radio report I'm now hearing says the police chased the carjacked SUV with the two in it. They say the brothers stopped at an intersection, emerged
27 AeroWesty : Thanks for this, that makes sense. So he could still be hiding outdoors, or could have broken into a home, or carjacked another car. CNN just reporte
28 Post contains links Revelation : A recent tweet: Seems the police are telling reporters that it's pretty likely the suspect is still in the area where he abandoned the vehicle, but t
29 okie : I caught a You-tube video of the gun fire exchange with police at least 50 to 60 rounds. I would say it would be quite a stretch with the number of r
30 L-188 : Okie, never underestimate a cops ability to miss a target. Just look at all the rounds that where fired into that pickup with the two women in it. But
31 Post contains links and images Revelation : Photo of "White Hat", the surviving suspect, fleeing the blast: Ref: http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/metro...rce=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Wha
32 MD11Engineer : I´ll bet that the second guy topped himself already and is lying dead in someone´s garden shed. Btw., I had a word a few days ago with a colleague,
33 Post contains images tugger : But Doc, you don't understand: It's vast and the masses just don't understand how bad it really is! Tugg
34 L-188 : Excellent contribution Md11engineer! Your friends observations certainly jives with some of others stories i have heard. But returning to the media ru
35 Post contains links AeroWesty : It Costs $333 Million to Shut Down Boston for a Day MA Gov: T is re-opened, and stay indoors order is lifted
36 gatorman96 : Pretty amazing white hat was able to get away. Anybody know if there were air assets involved in the hunt last night? The police clearly believe he i
37 okie : I have to agree, the gunfight with police appeared to happen outside of the getaway vehicle before white hat drove away. If that is the case they wou
38 Revelation : Sad but true. The thing I heard at the presser was that the cops at the scene were dealing with first aid so they didn't get after the suspect immedi
39 gatorman96 : Breaking: Multiple gunshots supposedly heard in Watertown. Cops on the move....
40 AeroWesty : Lots of cops on the move, including from downtown Boston, plus SWAT and at least one ambulance. This may be something major.
41 AeroWesty : CNN: Watertown residents asked to remain indoors again. Suspect believed to be cornered, and the suspect can be seen. Police firing gas into the 'conf
42 Revelation : Suspect allegedly cornered, hiding in a boat in a back yard on Franklin St, East part of Watertown, MA, still thought to be alive. It is being said th
43 flymia : A boat makes a lot of sense. They are saying it is a structure that he could easily get into. A boat makes perfect sense. They don't want to get to c
44 Revelation : All kinds of stories flying around. They are saying the suspect was hiding under the boat cover, and a helicopter with a thermal imager was able to l
45 DocLightning : I just keep thinking about what a friggin' waste it all is. Here were two handsome, intelligent young men. They had to have been pretty smart to have
46 AeroWesty : We don't know that as an absolute fact yet.
47 seb146 : So, we can call Timothy McVey an Christian terrorist and we can call James Holmes a Christian terrorist. We don't yet know the agenda of the Boston M
48 AeroWesty : The precedent exists for the suspect to be 'denaturalized' for having committed fraud during his naturalization process. That would strip him of U.S.
49 ALTF4 : Police scanner saying suspect in custody
50 AeroWesty : Suspect in custody, alive.
51 casinterest : Can't believe he went alive
52 Post contains images Revelation : It hasn't been confirmed that the devices were remote controlled.
53 DocLightning : If he committed fraud during his naturalization process. However, the Obama administration has said that they will not do this. He can get a fair tri
54 Danny : I am shocked by the amateurish reaction of the "security forces". Seems that half of U Arny cannot catch a single kid. They thought that typical over
55 Post contains images WestJet747 : Massachusetts doesn't have the death penalty. ...and what do you recommend they should have done?
56 AeroWesty : His recent actions were fraudulent against his Oath of U.S. Citizenship.
57 N766UA : What are you on about? They went from zero information to 1 dead and 1 in custody in barely 4 days with zero collateral damage. What would you have d
58 casinterest : I think he will get charged Federally
59 DocLightning : He has committed more than a state crime. So any naturalized citizen who commits a crime should first lose their citizenship and then be treated as a
60 Boeing717200 : Mass law doesn't apply. He committed a Federal crime.
61 AeroWesty : Don't be silly, not any crime.
62 NoUFO : Hm, yes, same with 9/11 actually - save for the parts about Boston and the terrorists being handsome. Then again, I don't consider the Tsarnaevs hand
63 rfields5421 : As from the link above - he can lose his citizenship for making fraudulent statements under oath which have a material impact upon his citizenship re
64 N766UA : Obama ordered the killing of a US citizen with a hellfire missile… Oh! Foreign soil. Check. Yes, that's exactly what he and the Senator are saying.
65 N766UA : It was likely the national guard, and they fall under the direction of the Governor of Massachusetts. If he wants to include them, he can.
66 AeroWesty : All the government would have to do is establish that citizenship was fraudulently obtained, such as is used to revoke citizenship for what turn out
67 N766UA : But what's the point? If he's a citizen, we can try him as such. If he's not, what then, we send him back to Russia? How about we just try him for, a
68 AeroWesty : I never said that trying him as an enemy combatant is the preferred route. If you read my post, I was simply agreeing with Sen. Graham's point that h
69 AeroWesty : Liz Cheney chimes in with her words of healing and comfort: https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/325411497104789504
70 Revelation : Really, folks, as much as I want to see the SOB suffer, I'm really wondering why there is all this emphasis on taking away the SOB's citizenship. To m
71 AeroWesty : Why does it bother you? Someone wanted to use a senator's remarks for a partisan political opportunity, and it was simply shown to him that the prece
72 Boeing717200 : This is exactly right.
73 Revelation : Asked and answered, please re-read my post. Now, back to the events themselves: We also read that he indeed was located by a thermal imager in a Stat
74 ltbewr : The surviving suspect is only in custody of police and most likely to be brought immediately to a Federal detention facility at the US Federal Courtho
75 AeroWesty : Dzhokar Tsarnaev being searched for bombs immediately after capture: https://twitter.com/Hossenator/status/325419984954208257/photo/1
76 Revelation : Actually the suspect/SOB is now at Brigham and Women's Hospital.
77 AeroWesty : He's at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center.
78 okie : The media attention sure seems to play a role in copy cat activities. We just had the yearly memorial service today for the OKC bombings. I can not c
79 DocLightning : No it does not. That was never shown, and yes I read every link. I defy you to quote to me where it is shown that crimes committed after citizenship
80 AeroWesty : It's not necessary. If it can be established that the suspect was planning the bombing, or had intended to violate his oath in other ways prior to in
81 AeroWesty : Well there was just an interesting debate on this issue with a couple of lawyers on CNN. There is apparently no clear-cut precedent on whether the go
82 Dreadnought : We’ll shut down the city and find you dead or alive…..Gotta love it! Well done to the City of Boston for doing what had to be done to catch these
83 tu204 : We don't want this trash. Lock him up and throw away the key for all Russia cares. Even if he didn't kill anyone, I have no respect for someone who c
84 johnboy : I guess they were Caucasian after all.
85 ALTF4 : Caucasian and not an "ultra right-wing nutjob making a statement about tax day". Funny how both sides of the aisle proved themselves to be the nutjob
86 Post contains images ALTF4 : Hold on. People call "racial profiling" when people do things to Arabs because of skin color. If they are Caucasian, then it isn't racial profiling..
87 BMI727 : The Feds do. Even a treason conviction would be a tough sell here, unless he confesses, but even then without connections to a larger group I think i
88 Post contains images ALTF4 : Funny, this guy was apprehended in a boat. Just... a boat that was out of place. I think the take-away is that in events like this, it's best to hold
89 BMI727 : I was just saying that drone strike was a choice of necessity in that case. No, that's not the takeaway at all. Take the best information available a
90 seb146 : I see: make the left apologize first and maybe, just maybe, the right might think about apologizing. But, that just makes people act irrationally. Th
91 Post contains images ALTF4 : Says who? Quote me where I said "make the left apologize first". Oh yeah, you can't. Woops. Seb, I know people of ALL political ideologies made wide,
92 Post contains links ALTF4 : Just so you know what you are advocating, here's some light reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jewell I wouldn't wish that shit on anybody
93 BMI727 : I don't just want to know what's going on, I want some meaningful analysis, even if it's just opinions and speculation, on what it actually means and
94 Pyrex : Not nearly gruesome enough. What the hell does that mean? Hope they put him in the same hospital room as his brother's rotting corpse so he can take
95 airportugal310 : Wow that's just unbelievable. Thanks for sharing that. Really makes you think... Anyways, my Boston Strong shirt is in the mail. After this week, I r
96 scbriml : It's not a surprise really. If they were the extremist Muslims that many hope they are, they would have blown themselves up at the marathon. Maybe se
97 Boeing717200 : That's not necessarily true. With scarce resources, setting bombs and living to do it again may be useful. Perhaps the plan was to take down another
98 DeltaMD90 : What is with this "spin" BS I keep hearing about? If CNN isn't burning Korans they are being leftists trying to downplay something? It's sad to see ho
99 pvjin : Statistically terrorism caused by left-wing extremists is almost non existent in the US while there have been plenty of crimes committed by right-win
100 Dreadnought : Please go dig up some statistics to back that up while I ROTFL.
101 Post contains images OA260 : Listening to the interview that the BBC had with the Mother of the two it seems she was either totally in the dark or she is very naive. An interview
102 Revelation : Yes, you are correct. Sorry for my mistake. Absolutely. I think it shows here as well as in most every part of this country we are very supportive of
103 Post contains links AeroWesty : So for everyone who's pressing their own idea of the motivation behind the bombings, colored with their particular brand of political partisanship, to
104 DeltaMD90 : I'm reading all kinds of comments on other sides about how we should halt immigration or how these brothers came here a whole ten years ago with terro
105 Dreadnought : Where? I have never heard anything like this, even from the most radical anti-illegal-immigration groups. Or are you attempting to blur the line betw
106 AeroWesty : Not yet, Tsarnaev is still in serious condition in the hospital. He's also not been read his Miranda rights as of this morning.
107 DeltaMD90 : Nah, they were talking about halting all immigration. It was inane commentary mostly, as bad as YouTube comments Yeah I mean he may have brought a ti
108 Post contains links AeroWesty : This morning, Sen. Graham released a statement, along with Sens. Ayotte and McCain, and Rep. King, about the latest on the Boston suspect. The stateme
109 Dreadnought : I sure hope they did read him his rights. If it turns out that they acted on their own and it just becomes a plain and simple criminal matter (which
110 Post contains links Revelation : I've heard such on the radio, but read through your article and couldn't find a reference to him being a stoner, but it does seem he's a "go along to
111 Post contains links AeroWesty : My apologies, looks like I didn't copy everything from my text editor: Friend: Suspect 'a normal pot head'
112 AeroWesty : It's been so hard to keep up with what your feelings have been! From the first thread:
113 Revelation : Thanks. As I said, I had heard this on the radio, and now it's interesting to see the actual quote. It was also being said he was a huge soccer playe
114 Post contains images scbriml : Aged 16 & 9?
115 Dreadnought : Ummm, why? I think I've been relatively consistent. You can be an Islamofascist aka Jihadi on your own, without ties to any sort of larger terrorist
116 AeroWesty : From "without ties to any sort of larger terrorist network" to "fits more the profile of Islamofacists than a domestic group". You defined the associ
117 Dreadnought : Huh?
118 AeroWesty : What part aren't you understanding? That you qualified "Islamofascists" as a 'group' in your sentence?
119 Dreadnought : The term works in the singular as well. A fundamentalist does not have to work hand in hand with a group.
120 seb146 : I have a serious question. I don't know the answer. The mother is claiming this is a government conspiracy and her children would never do such a thin
121 cptkrell : Seb146 (Rep 120); I should think the answer to your question is yes. Every site anyone accesses to usually goes to at least marketers, so I'm sure the
122 Maverick623 : The NSA does. Can't speak for the FBI/CIA/DHS, although they probably just use the NSA data. IP addresses do not point to a computer, but a subscribe
123 okie : Along with robbing a convenience store, killing a security guard and carjacking a vehicle during this particular day. Okie
124 seb146 : That makes sense. When I look for hotels and flights for vacations, I get ads here for different hotels and events.
125 DeltaMD90 : I'm sure she'd say that all that was a mistake too. Honestly, I'd cut her a break, I'm sure this ordeal is very hard on her. Let's see what she's say
126 PHX787 : I guess that makes sense....but I'm starting to see some reports of the younger guy frequenting many islamist websites....Someone on a different foru
127 Post contains links Aesma : The IP address of a relative (mom I think) of terrorist Mohammed Merah ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toulouse_and_Montauban_shootings ) was key to i
128 seb146 : She will still blame the government and claim her son is a nice boy. She is a mother. I get what you are saying, but my guess is she will stand by he
129 Post contains links and images WestJet747 : Maybe your country shouldn't be giving them a reason to claim asylum. The younger brother was only about 9 when he moved to the US. So that sounds ab
130 Post contains links scbriml : The BBC is claiming that both boys were known to the FBI and had been interviewed "at the request of a foreign Government" (thought to be Russia) http
131 Post contains images Mir : Russia beats up on the Chechens from time to time, and we'd expect the Chechens to just sit there and like it? I'd claim asylum if I could too, were
132 PHX787 : Hmmm perhaps you have a point, and explains why they didn't read Dzhokat his miranda rights
133 Post contains links AeroWesty : Look yourself or others up at spokeo.com. The amount of your personal information gleaned from just your online activity is astonishing. And it's all
134 PHX787 : I saw an AP Article on my phone which said that someone (either the federal personal defender bureau or equivalent) or the state of Massachusetts pub
135 Post contains images Revelation : Funny to read these days the same people who said we had too many laws during the background check debate are having no problem with weighing the nuan
136 DeltaMD90 : So what does everyone think about the talk of trying him as an enemy combatant? I'm completely against it, he is a citizen even if one wishes he wasn'
137 Revelation : It's a distraction. We've got pictures of the suspects in the area, we've got the remnants of their bombs that were exploded, we got their bombs that
138 ltbewr : Apparently the surviving brother cannot talk at this time due to his injuries, either from the police or from his own attempts to kill himself. As a r
139 Revelation : The uncle of the older brother calls him a "loser" and most of the family distanced themselves from him. The older brother has been arrested for dome
140 DocLightning : I'm shocked. We seem to agree. But furthermore, I believe that terrorism IS a crime. It should be treated as one. The fact that one gets a fair trial
141 AeroWesty : I think it's an interesting argument worth talking about. Why ... • Even if nothing comes of it, the debate over how someone could become classifie
142 DeltaMD90 : I see what you are saying but some of the rhetoric I've been hearing (and again, from some of the masses, not any particular educated individuals) ha
143 AeroWesty : Well I agree, but there will be extremists on any issue. That shouldn't stop us from examining the issues. If we succumbed to all the nonsense out th
144 Dreadnought : To be clear, if it becomes evident that the perp in custody acted in conjunction with a terrorist organization, or otherwise someone who motivated an
145 AR385 : As others have said. This is going to be treated at the Federal Level. My question at this point is: does anybody know the injuries of the Tsarnaev b
146 L-188 : Yeah, No point in mirandizing somebody who is hopped up on painkillers, the defense can make the arguement they where too drugged to understand the c
147 DocLightning : Nobody should ever be classified as an enemy combatant on US soil unless they are wearing a foreign flag, in which case they are a POW. I don't like
148 Post contains links mdsh00 : Not surprised that the parents would claim it's a setup. Either did not play a major role in their children's lives (dad said he was a 2nd year medic
149 Post contains links AeroWesty : Do they just place a guard at the hospital door so the suspect can't escape, then arrest when he/she is well enough to be released? It isn't unconsti
150 Post contains links AeroWesty : Looks like Tsarnaev's neck wound could be from a suicide attempt, according to CBS News: Boston bombing suspect in serious condition
151 okie : McVeigh only had charges on the federal level for 8 deaths which were federal agents in the building. The other 161 were civil service employees, civ
152 MD11Engineer : Theorectically China would also have a claim against the bomber, since they killed one of their citizens. Jan
153 Post contains links Revelation : Now we read: And goes on to say: It's not clear if the younger brother was trying to kill more cops or kill his brother, but it seems to be a fact tha
154 AR385 : According to what I listened on some news outlet, a terrorist attack, as this one is, is now a Federal offense. I´m not sure if that was the case wh
155 L-188 : McVeigh was only charged with the murders of the eight federal employees that died. Since Trey where feds on duty the federal government handled that
156 okie : L-188 he was charged in state court but never went to trial, just in case the federal counts would somehow be overturned. While there were some polit
157 jetblueguy22 : Just saw on twitter he is conscious and writing responses to questions on paper. I'm sure the FBI is trying to get as much out of him as they can. Doe
158 Aesma : Actually that's not a direct threat and I'm wondering on what basis they arrested him. Here we certainly can't do that. We just have made a law allow
159 MD11Engineer : He possibly came to the US expecting the money just lying in the streets, and him just having to bring a shovel. Lots of wishes and expectations, but
160 AeroWesty : Violating provisions of the Patriot Act. It's fairly wide-encompassing.
161 Post contains links Revelation : Yes, to echo what you are saying: Ref: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/20.../76AdFpsO9NcElmkrmtQRMO/story.html
162 helvknight : IIRC when Eric Rudolph was caught he was tried as a federal suspect even though Georgia and Alabama wanted to try him (for the Olympic Park bombing a
163 Aesma : I wonder if he'll get a good lawyer and if that could lead to people or judges questioning that law.
164 AeroWesty : Well, officially now, the charges announced against Tsarnaev include using weapons of mass destruction, which makes him eligible for the death penalty
165 rfields5421 : Define bomb making site? Define militant terrorist site? Did just typing those words make you a target of an investigation as a possible terrorist? T
166 Post contains images tugger : Yeah, I often wonder what my online searches etc. must indicate about me: searches on rape and pressure cooker bombs, suicide, hot-button political i
167 Post contains links AeroWesty : http://www.experian.com/marketing-services/consumer-segmentation.html See it in use: Delta and new DL.com Profiles A Lot About You
168 rfields5421 : I fully agree. I really can't understand why so many 'patriots' want to abandon our constitution and our legal system and choose something more like
169 Mir : I guess we get to see how committed to the Constitution they really are. -Mir
170 DeltaMD90 : Is there any chance some politicians are going to screw with the justice system in shady ways and end up killing the case (if you catch my drift) ? I
171 rfields5421 : I would say zero chance. The politicians are not really concerned with getting this guy locked up or convicted. They are just pandering to an audienc
172 Post contains links AeroWesty : The New York Times has just released an article with links to both the criminal complaint against Dzhokar Tsarnaev and a transcript of the proceeding
173 tugger : From what I have been reading the big issue they seem to have is that they think he has intelligence to provide and that a "non-civilian" handling pr
174 Post contains links tugger : And now some new information from the interrogations of Dzhokar: http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/...-marathon-bombing-motive-religion/ So no wider
175 AeroWesty : Interesting, I hadn't heard before that an investigation is being carried out to see if it's possible that the older brother is connected to a 2011 s
176 cptkrell : rfields5421 (Rep 165); your response to my (Rep 121) about being "monitored" is interesting. Enough so that I'll try to do a little more research. But
177 rfields5421 : The information used to put ads on your screen is pulled from your computer at the time you open the web page. Those ad scripts look at your computer
178 cptkrell : rfields5421 (Rep 177): thank you kindly for the tutorial. I really learned something (actually, I learned quite a few things) from your excellent expl
179 DocLightning : It's quite simple, really. They are loyal to a fictional version of America that doesn't exist. And to bring about that version, the Constitution mig
180 Dreadnought : Such interrogations would not be for the purpose of gaining evidence for trial. They would be to find out names, locations and practices of others wh
181 CaliAtenza : They interviewed the mother on CNN; Jesus she was hysterical... She was spouting off nonsense like the police killed her older son because he was Musl
182 Mir : She's a mother who's lost one of her sons and nearly lost her other son. Expecting her to be rational about the whole thing is kind of unrealistic. Y
183 Post contains images scbriml : Until convicted, I believe he's an alleged bomber. Any time you see the neighbours of someone who's committed a terrible crime, they nearly always sa
184 Revelation : I'm glad that thought has evaporated. On local radio (Boston) there have been callers saying the police visited the apartment a lot, especially befor
185 OA260 : Just seen a TV interview with the Mother and she said ''America took her Children''. I dont see how she can imply that . America gave them a chance to
186 CaliAtenza : i believe they have him on video dropping the bag with the bomb and walking away. If that isnt proof of guilt, then what is? Not to mention the killi
187 Confuscius : There were two firefights with the police, the first in which Tamerlan was killed and the second gun battle with the unarmed Dzhokar inside the boat.
188 Post contains links cmf : Is it a gun battle if only one side is armed? Boston bombing suspect was unarmed during boat standoff
189 Geezer : Where's everyone getting their "news" ? I was reading at 1;00 pm today that he's been singing like a canary all day; and telling the FBI that him and
190 Post contains links and images Confuscius : Remember the gun battle between LAPD and the two newspaper delivery women in a pickup truck during the Dorner manhunt. Latest From CNN: http://www.cn
191 Post contains images AeroWesty : It's rather telling that you can recite everything about Anwar al-Awlaki, but you've not a clue who Miriam Conrad is. Obviously, better places than y
192 seb146 : The younger came here when he was 9 years old. I think he was told only one side of the story by his older brother. I think there was influence there
193 Post contains links PHX787 : The guy had a pretty eerie twitter account: http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthi...r-tsarnaevs-actual-twitter-account
194 Post contains links AeroWesty : A riveting read about the carjacking ride, and how the Mercedes SUV driver escaped: Carjack victim recounts his harrowing night
195 Post contains links scbriml : He's now been moved from hospital to prison. Guess he's out of medical danger now then. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22308593
196 ltbewr : One problem with this case are all the rumors and contradictory stories that are coming out. Nowhere is there an accurate time of what happened when a
197 scbriml : You mean to stop things like this? If it goes to trial by jury, they might have a very tough time finding a jury.
198 Revelation : Instead of "pondering", I'd use the word "political grandstanding". You yourself just said Scumbag 2 is singing like a canary, and he's already been
199 rfields5421 : They found a federal jury for Timothy McVeigh. The state of Oklahoma found a state jury for Terry Nichols who was found guilty of the murders of 161
200 Post contains links Revelation : Full interview with the carjacking victim: http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013.../BhQWGzarWee8MZ6KtMHJNN/story.html Dude is very lucky to have escape
201 Post contains links Geezer : I hate to tell you this, but "they" haven't "got tired" of holding Benghazi hearings; you may think Benghazi has been swept under the rug, and if you
202 Post contains images AeroWesty : Hmm, I think I've seen that somewhere before ...
203 AeroWesty : I read that earlier today, and was also posted upthread by another member citing the BBC. Haven't found a source that says that Tsarnaev has been "si
204 DeltaMD90 : Um, you do know what the public safety exemption entails, right? I'm not a legal expert but I'm pretty sure it doesn't quite work the way you're desc
205 Geezer : Please read the above (which YOU wrote), and THEN read what the people who were conducting the interrogation told the reporters; NO ONE is saying ANY
206 Post contains links AeroWesty : Since there's been a lot of disinformation in both this and the original threads on what is or isn't an 'enemy combatant', perhaps we should have some
207 Post contains links PHLBOS : Apparently, the suspected bombers were originally plotting to set off their bombs in Boston during the 4th of July (likely at the Esplanade Concert ad
208 Post contains links tugger : So apparently no one is willing to accept the bombers body for burial, and his mother wants it returned to be buried in his home area. http://www.cnn.
209 Post contains links NAV20 : As far as I know the law is pretty uncompromising; Burial rights for unmarried people go to the next-of-kin, which is presumably the guy's mother in t
210 AeroWesty : Tamerlan Tsarnaev was married and has a child. Burial rights would go to his living wife, whom I don't believe we've heard from directly yet on this
211 Post contains links Revelation : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...rnaev-muslim-burial_n_3219549.html says the uncle is in town and is trying to make arrangements. The wife has m
212 NAV20 : Thanks, Aerowesty, didn't know that. Yes, the wife for certain, on the face of it.
213 tugger : I say petition the wife to take the body, have it cremated, divide up the ash, and let a thousand people put it in their toilet and crap on it and fl
214 Post contains links Revelation : boston.com says Worcester police: Solution expected in next few days to finding burial place for Marathon bomb suspect, but doesn't say where the buri
215 Post contains links AeroWesty : Well that's settled, then. Boston bombing suspect's body entombed in undisclosed location
216 Post contains links NAV20 : Some details coming out. Apparently the uncle found an Islamic cemetery:- "Their uncle, Ruslan Tsarni of Maryland, took responsibility for the body a
217 Dreadnought : Personally, I would have taken his remains down to Camden, New Jersey, shove him into one of USS New Jersey's 16-inch guns (along with a side of baco
218 casinterest : So you just want to Insult Islam ? Mighty big of you.
219 BMI727 : And this is why we gave Osama the splashdown.
220 Dreadnought : No. Don't you think he did that by himself?
221 ltbewr : There is another interesting development of the 2 alleged bombers, there is growing investigations on that they may have been involved in the murder o
222 Post contains links Revelation : With the help of an intermediary called Martha Mullen: Ref: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/11...over-role-in-boston-bomber-burial/ As of today, th
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