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How Stupid Are Some Young Men?  
User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7808 posts, RR: 5
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

First up there is the Steubenville rape case where the boys posted videos and photos of what they did on the net, and friends posted them as well, utterly shocking, and amazingly stupid, now there's another case and this time the girl has killed herself.

Three young men rape 15 year old Audrey Pott and post photos and video of the actual assault on the net.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/229694695...-photos-go-viral/?intcmp=obnetwork

It's a sad sad situation, what the hell are teens thinking, especially when these aren't gangbangers they come from middle class families and nice neighbourhoods. That said something is also wrong when the girls in both cases drink themselves into unconscious states, which is a recipe for something bad to happen.

Besides actually raping an unconscious female what kind of idiot actually tapes themselves doing the deed and posts it on the net. In the Steubenville case the guys would have gotten away with it had they not posted what they did online as the girl didn't realise anything had happened until the videos and images went viral.

I think a lot of the problems with young people today is a complete lack of respect and the realisation that if they do anything wrong they won't be punished for it, when I was a kid if I did anything dumb my dad would take a strap to my butt, at school we were cained, you learnt pretty quickly that being good was a lot better for your health than being bad, but we now live in a PC world where punishing children for any wrong doing is frowned upon, I feel that we have gone down the wrong track here and we are now reaping the consequences. Children really don't know the difference between right and wrong, the lines are now pretty blurred and parents are too afraid to be parents because they are worried about their kids being taken away from them.

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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12927 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3249 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Thread starter):
Children really don't know the difference between right and wrong, the lines are now pretty blurred and parents are too afraid to be parents because they are worried about their kids being taken away from them.

My $0.02: Being a parent these days gets more difficult by the day, but saying that beating a child is the way to go is wrong too. Parents just need to spend a lot more time a lot earlier in a child's life making sure that their boys respect girls and their girls are aware that some boys will take advantage of them if they put themselves into a bad situation, no matter how nice that boy seems. What I see far too much these days is the parents thinking their job is done when the kids have enough modes of entertainment to keep themselves distracted, yet these modes of entertainment almost always encourage sexual activity and/or violence, so there should be no surprise what that will lead to.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6917 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3224 times:

I doubt drunk girls getting raped are on the rise, it gets more reported though. And smartphones help in that department. I agree that it shows they're stupid, or on the "positive" side that these weren't premeditated acts. In the later case alcohol is often involved too, but the idea is either to leave no trace (starting by not doing anything in public) or to stay in bed with the woman till morning and feign innocence.


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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7808 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 1):
but saying that beating a child is the way to go is wrong too.

There is a big difference between smacking and beating, parents who beat their kids do it regardless of what the law has to say, the problem is the law has also taken away the parents ability to discipline children with a good smack on the butt. It worked for me, it worked for all my friends and it worked with generations before us as well.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 1):
yet these modes of entertainment almost always encourage sexual activity and/or violence, so there should be no surprise what that will lead to.

I am amazed at the level of violence in kids video games, my oldest is 8, we won't allow him to play any violent games but I can't control what he does at other kids houses where I know the parents allow the kids to play and watch all sorts of violent games.


User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5770 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 1):
My $0.02: Being a parent these days gets more difficult by the day, but saying that beating a child is the way to go is wrong too. Parents just need to spend a lot more time a lot earlier in a child's life making sure that their boys respect girls and their girls are aware that some boys will take advantage of them if they put themselves into a bad situation, no matter how nice that boy seems. What I see far too much these days is the parents thinking their job is done when the kids have enough modes of entertainment to keep themselves distracted, yet these modes of entertainment almost always encourage sexual activity and/or violence, so there should be no surprise what that will lead to.

  
I agree. I have the hard task of teaching my girls to be smart about their bodies and sex and boys and to be aware etc. It is not easy for a dad to really talk about these things with daughters but I have a solid relationship with my girls and I will do my best to engage with them on these topics because quite frankly I want them to have a good sex life, to be happy with who they are and their bodies, and to not have these horrible experiences that we read about (most fathers I know seem to wither at the idea of talking to their daughters about this stuff, thinking it is the "mothers job" but I think they need to hear it from both parents). I want them to have a good life overall.

When I do (and have) disciplined my kids they know it will be harsh enough to get and keep their attention and it is not a physical punishment, it is something that makes them think and never want to do what they did again, to understand that they had better put thought into what they do and how they act. They do not want such things and do not take me lightly when I make it clear there will be a consequence if they do stupids stuff. As a parent I think and have found that the absolute most important thing is to be consistent and not say stuff like "if you keep doing that then I will ....." and then do nothing. I get ill watching parents say this stuff to their kids or telling the kids repeatedly to "stop it" and then doing nothing if the kids do not stop (beyond repeating "stop it" or "I told you to stop it"). If I say "Stop it!" and then have to repeat myself (and I am willing to repeat myself as I know how kids are) there very well could be a consequence, at the very least the kids know they have disappointed or upset me. And if I say I will do something, that there will be a consequence, they know I will and there will be one. One they won't like.

And so far it has been working, we'll have to see if it does keep working. But I promise you I will pay attention to my kids and work with them to make sure they know how to behave, learn, work, love, live, everything that a person must do in life. And I will end with saying that I have been very blessed so far with kids that are good and do respect their parents and are not afflicted with something that affects their ability to do so.

Tugg



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12927 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 3):
There is a big difference between smacking and beating, parents who beat their kids do it regardless of what the law has to say,

Not sure what you are saying. People also smack their kids regardless of what the law has to say.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 3):
the problem is the law has also taken away the parents ability to discipline children with a good smack on the butt.

The problem is where to draw the line. Personally I say an occasional smack on the butt when deserved is OK, but just try to define 'occasional' and 'deserved'. Hopefully the law only gets involved when there is an actual beating. Sad thing is I've seen kids threaten to tell the law based on silly things not understanding what the consequences are for both them and the parents, and indeed the parent behaved as if they had no choice but back down. To me the parent could have dealt with that better, and hopefully they later did sit down with the kid and explain exactly how life would be if they found themselves in juvenile custody or a group home and if the kid did persist with that then took them for a tour of such a facility.



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7808 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 5):
People also smack their kids regardless of what the law has to say.

Not here where I live, no decent parent would lift a hand to a kid because they would be to scared the kid would be taken from them. I got in trouble for pulling two kids apart when one hit another and was about to hit him again.


User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6162 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3111 times:
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Quoting kiwirob (Thread starter):
Besides actually raping an unconscious female what kind of idiot actually tapes themselves doing the deed and posts it on the net.

I think a lot of this is just being dumb and not thinking they will get caught. Teens would have been putting themselves on the net years ago if they could.

Back when I was 17 a couple of friends of mine and I ran over every road sign on a stretch of a Missouri highway and video taped the entire thing (on a VHS camera). I also filmed (on 8mm film) an incident where I crashed through and wrecked a bunch of highway construction barrels. My friends and I never got caught, but we sure could have got in trouble if we were caught. Fortunately everyone we showed the tape to was just as big of doofus as we were. Nowadays people post things online where everyone can see it as opposed to the good ole' days when on the select few could see recorded dumbassness.

Teens have always had a hard time keeping their mouths shut. I remember when I was in high school some idiot called in a bomb threat and we all had to go outside. A few weeks later he was bragging about it at a party. My buddy's and didn't like the guy so we ratted him out. Back then he couldn't brag about his exploits online, but I bet he would have if he could.

There are some kids who just want to be famous and that doesn't mean fame on a large scale. Just being well known around a large school is good enough. A couple of years ago a student jumped a kid in the hallway and beat the hell out of him because he and his buddy wanted to put something funny on youtube.

I have many discussions with my students about how and why they think that hurting people is funny. Most of them think that that kind of thing is funny, but some don't. I have a student right now who thinks that watching people get hurt is funny and sees no problem with screwing around with people.

Quoting kiwirob (Thread starter):
That said something is also wrong when the girls in both cases drink themselves into unconscious states, which is a recipe for something bad to happen

Its all about right and wrong and knowing where to draw the line at wrong. Back when I was a teen I was at countless parties were girls (and boys) drank themselves oblivion. These were the same girls over and over again too. Not once did anyone do anything sexual to a passed out girl (once we drew a big mustache on one of the girls faces). We might have run over road signs, but we never fooled around with a drunk girl. We knew where to draw the line. Most of the girls we hung out with were as rough and tumble as us guys so they would have hammered us.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 1):
entertainment almost always encourage sexual activity and/or violence

A lot rap music glamorizes sexual violence and I think that some listeners want emulate the life style in the music. I have no idea if that is what these youths listened to, but I think it goes that way for some people. If you think I am way off base think again. Lots of people like to look and act like the music stars they listen too. Back in my day it was heavy metal and grunge rock that people wanted to be like. I listen to country and dressed in the C&W style shirts and jeans. I see kids today dressing like rappers, punk rockers, counrty singers, etc, so I know it still goes. When the people you try emulate commit sexual violence (either in real life or in fantasy) you will get people who can't draw the line and do the kind of things their idols do or say they do.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15828 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 2):
I doubt drunk girls getting raped are on the rise, it gets more reported though.

   Teens have always done dumb stuff, it's just that now it gets exposed more often.

Quoting falstaff (Reply 7):
A lot rap music glamorizes sexual violence and I think that some listeners want emulate the life style in the music.

There was sexual violence long before there was rap music.

Quoting falstaff (Reply 7):
Back in my day it was heavy metal and grunge rock that people wanted to be like.

And yet Sammy Hagar never caused a rash of teens dying in car wrecks.



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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6162 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3053 times:
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Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
And yet Sammy Hagar never caused a rash of teens dying in car wrecks.

Really? You can't prove that as much as I can't prove the relationship between rap and sexual violence. There has been a rash of teens dying in car wrecks that has gone on as long as teens have been driving.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
There was sexual violence long before there was rap music.

Sure was, but I can't think of any other form of music that promotes it on a regular basis.

I work with teens every day and have been for 12 years. My biggest problem students, in terms of violence and bad attitude come from students who listen to white power metal and rap; to genres that are full of hate and anger. Sure I get a rowdy country or rock fan, but they are far and few between. I know what my students listen to because I have a stereo in the shop and my students listen to music while they work. We change the station on a rotating basis so everyone stays happy. Country one day, rock one day, hip hop one day, and so on. This rotation keeps me in tune to what the kids listen to these days. Of course hard core rap and white power metal aren't on the radio, but those guys make it known what they listen to.



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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Thread starter):
you learnt pretty quickly that being good was a lot better for your health than being bad

Some did. Most just learned that parents hit when they are angry. Pretty much everyone learned to avoid getting caught and have someone else blame. Then they learned that when adults can't reason they hit.

Quoting kiwirob (Thread starter):
where punishing children for any wrong doing is frowned upon

No it isn't. Punishing with violence is. Be smart about how you punish. My sister in law always hit my oldest nephew. He really stopped carrying. If he got caught he got a smack and it was over. What hurt was when my brother told him to get a trash bag for his toys...


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8758 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 2):
I doubt drunk girls getting raped are on the rise, it gets more reported though.

Id bet it happens much less than it used to. Boys today have video games that occupy most of their time.

Quoting tugger (Reply 4):
I have a solid relationship with my girls and I will do my best to engage with them on these topics

It's easy to see being really concerned about a daughter. They don't, and can't, comprehend how the adult world really works. It's scary. Your girls are lucky to have a dad to protect them.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12927 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 4):
But I promise you I will pay attention to my kids and work with them to make sure they know how to behave, learn, work, love, live, everything that a person must do in life. And I will end with saying that I have been very blessed so far with kids that are good and do respect their parents and are not afflicted with something that affects their ability to do so.

I think the two have a lot to do with each other, so keep up the good work!



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20333 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 3):
the problem is the law has also taken away the parents ability to discipline children with a good smack on the butt.

I get sick and tired of hearing this absolutely untrue statement. At least in the US, spanking is not illegal. Beating a child so that it leaves a mark is illegal.

Quoting kiwirob (Thread starter):
I think a lot of the problems with young people today

I think a big problem with old people today is that they think that they're a priori better than young people and that they lump all young people together.

I promise your generation was just as messed up as mine and just as messed up as this next one. Just because you look back on your youth with rose-colored glasses doesn't mean that it was rose-colored.

Quoting falstaff (Reply 9):
I work with teens every day and have been for 12 years. My biggest problem students, in terms of violence and bad attitude come from students who listen to white power metal and rap; to genres that are full of hate and anger

And I promise you that the music is not the proximal cause of the hate and anger. Their hate and anger is the proximal cause of the music. They feed off each-other, of course. But the well-adjusted and happy teens don't listen to that stuff because it doesn't touch them the right way. They can't identify with such hate and anger and so hateful and angry music is not appealing to them.

What really amuses me about "White Power" rock/metal/whatever is that clearly these musicians and fans don't know their history very well. Rock and Roll originated as an outgrowth of Jazz (and Jump Blues and a few other genres). However, without Black people writing Jazz and Blues (and most of the great artists in those genres were Black), there would be no Rock and Roll. Without Rock and Roll there would be no metal.

So these douchebags writing, singing, and enjoying "White Power Metal" are actually writing, singing, and enjoying a music genre that is heavily rooted in the African-American musical culture.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12927 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
So these douchebags writing, singing, and enjoying "White Power Metal" are actually writing, singing, and enjoying a music genre that is heavily rooted in the African-American musical culture.

I'm not sure it matters to those idiots.

We're all African - it's a scientific fact that human beings first evolved in Africa and then migrated around the world...



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User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2301 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Thread starter):
That said something is also wrong when the girls in both cases drink themselves into unconscious states, which is a recipe for something bad to happen.

Thank god I hear someone else saying the same. As I say, when assholes (rapists) and idiots (girls drinking till they pass out) meet, shit happens.

Quoting kiwirob (Thread starter):
Besides actually raping an unconscious female what kind of idiot actually tapes themselves doing the deed and posts it on the net.

Yeah, only assholes do that. There's a sense of entitlement in today's youth--particularly regarding sex. They seem to think gettin' laid is a fundamental right.

Quoting falstaff (Reply 9):
My biggest problem students, in terms of violence and bad attitude come from students who listen to white power metal and rap; to genres that are full of hate and anger.

Interestingly enough, in Romania the most intelligent people listen to hard rock and metal. For some reason, in the US it's restricted to the fringe of society. And yet, where is there more violence and more crime? Hmm...

Metal calms me down and makes me take better decisions. Yeah, it's full of anger in certain cases. I don't necessarily like the culture, but I like the music.

Plus, the lyrics are more intelligent than pop (baby, baby, ooh... yeah, very smart), country (my horse just died and my girl left) and rap (f**k that bitch, slap that hoe).

Quoting falstaff (Reply 9):
power metal

This genre talks about dragons... do you mean nazi-metal? That exists too, unfortunately.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
But the well-adjusted and happy teens don't listen to that stuff because it doesn't touch them the right way. They can't identify with such hate and anger and so hateful and angry music is not appealing to them.

I never understood why this is the view of this music in America. What else am I supposed to listen to, aside from classical music? Everything else talks about getting laid or losing a lover (in many cases, so does classical). What do you think of grunge?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
"White Power Metal"

As a metal fan, this name is confusing. Say nazi metal if that's what you mean.


User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7808 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
I get sick and tired of hearing this absolutely untrue statement. At least in the US, spanking is not illegal.

You can't lay a finger on a child here in Norway, it's very much a true statement.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20333 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 15):
Yeah, only assholes do that. There's a sense of entitlement in today's youth--particularly regarding sex. They seem to think gettin' laid is a fundamental right.

Again, that's nothing new. Rape is recorded in our very earliest historical records. It's in the Old Testament. It is not "today's youth." It's stupid young men whose parents didn't teach them to respect women.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 15):
I never understood why this is the view of this music in America. What else am I supposed to listen to, aside from classical music?

There are many genres of music. Pop is usually more about a ballad and a catchy beat/tune. The theme is usually love more than sex (although there certainly are exceptions). Sometimes there are other themes, but rarely are they about killing or cultural/racial superiority.

Gangsta Rap is about "Eat/Screw/Kill" (OK, they rarely mention eating) and "Nazi Metal" (your preferred term) is about how great you are just because of the color of your skin, AND how much everyone else sucks.


User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2301 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
There are many genres of music. Pop is usually more about a ballad and a catchy beat/tune. The theme is usually love more than sex (although there certainly are exceptions). Sometimes there are other themes, but rarely are they about killing or cultural/racial superiority.

I'm surprised you dislike metal, doc. You know, both you and most metal have an anti-religious stance.

I can't stand love songs. Love is something you should experience, not write songs about. I find them very boring, love songs.

What's bad about writing about historical, philosophical, astronomical and literary themes? (and, yes, that includes killing--in fact I find it hard to hold any philosophical and historical discourse in which death doesn't play any role)

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
"Nazi Metal" (your preferred term) is about how great you are just because of the color of your skin, AND how much everyone else sucks.

I don't know about that. I don't listen to metal written by people with nazi views.

[Edited 2013-04-19 14:26:02]

User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1928 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 3):
I am amazed at the level of violence in kids video games, my oldest is 8, we won't allow him to play any violent games but I can't control what he does at other kids houses where I know the parents allow the kids to play and watch all sorts of violent games.

I don't buy the whole 'violent video game' excuse that parents like to use these days. I've played violent video games my entire life and I'm extremely passive, whereas you will find people who grew up playing Mario (pretty non-violent stuff) who become violent drug dealers. The correlation is weak.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
And I promise you that the music is not the proximal cause of the hate and anger. Their hate and anger is the proximal cause of the music.

  

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
But the well-adjusted and happy teens don't listen to that stuff because it doesn't touch them the right way. They can't identify with such hate and anger and so hateful and angry music is not appealing to them.

I think this is generally true, but entirely debatable. My best friend is no less well-adjusted than I am, yet he listens to incredibly angry/aggressive music that actually frightens me. He's not a violent person whatsoever. So I think that there are cases, perhaps outliers, where it really just boils down to taster. Perhaps (and I've never asked him) the sound just appeals to him irrespective of his emotions.   

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 15):
I never understood why this is the view of this music in America. What else am I supposed to listen to, aside from classical music? Everything else talks about getting laid or losing a lover (in many cases, so does classical).



You should give EDM a shot. It's uplifting and requires no lyrics  
Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 18):
Love is something you should experience, not write songs about.

Music comes from a place inside of you formed from experience, no?



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User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2301 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 19):
It's uplifting and requires no lyrics  

Well, if it requires no lyrics I can't hate it. Well, at least that's what I used to say before I heard dubstep. But the point was not to find new music with what I said... I really don't care what others think about what I listen to. However, some people are quite misinformed.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 19):
Music comes from a place inside of you formed from experience, no?

Not necessarily. The most intelligent music doesn't. Your experiences as a person fail in scope as compared to those of the whole of humanity. If you write about what you've experienced you miss out on the most poignant themes.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 19):
I think this is generally true, but entirely debatable. My best friend is no less well-adjusted than I am, yet he listens to incredibly angry/aggressive music that actually frightens me. He's not a violent person whatsoever. So I think that there are cases, perhaps outliers, where it really just boils down to taster. Perhaps (and I've never asked him) the sound just appeals to him irrespective of his emotions.

It is debatable. I think it's 50-50. Maybe more than 50% in the USA who listen to metal are angry, but the guys I know back home that listen to intense music are not angry in general. Sad, maybe. And not even that in some cases.

What I can say is that it generally appeals to my sense of aesthetics (the music, not necessarily the culture--I don't give a shit about how others dress, etc)... Some people release anger through kickboxing (I find that very violent), whereas I release it through listening to music (I find that completely non-violent). I don't think I'm a violent person, though I'm not the calmest one either.

[Edited 2013-04-19 14:52:37]

User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1928 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 20):
Well, at least that's what I used to say before I heard dubstep.

Dubstep is the angry step-son of the EDM family. People either love it or hate it.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 20):
Not necessarily. The most intelligent music doesn't. Your experiences as a person fail in scope as compared to those of the whole of humanity. If you write about what you've experienced you miss out on the most poignant themes.

Well I feel like any honest response to this would take us terribly off-topic, so we'll just have to agree to disagree on that point.  
Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 20):
What I can say is that it generally appeals to my sense of aesthetics (the music, not necessarily the culture--I don't give a shit about how others dress, etc)

My buddy is the same. He listens to really dark music, mostly metal (I don't know all the different kinds, it's just metal to me) yet he shops at Hollister. He doesn't get involved with all the other aspects of the culture.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 20):
Some people release anger through kickboxing (I find that very violent)

There's a good point to be made there. Sports is an excellent outlet for aggression in youth in a productive manner. I've played contact sports since I was about 13, and as mentioned, I've never been violent outside of sports. When I was in school, it was no secret that the "bad apples" were the kids who never engaged in sports and preferred to just go home to play video games, do drugs, or other unproductive activities.

I can't prove that engaging in sports makes kids less violent, but my own observations suggest so.



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3714 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Thread starter):
until the videos and images went viral.

Slight correction to that story. I live in the local area, other students have strongly refuted the "viral" part. If it had, the rape would have been more known and they say, would have been reported. As it was, few knew for months.


User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5770 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 15):
Thank god I hear someone else saying the same. As I say, when assholes (rapists) and idiots (girls drinking till they pass out) meet, shit happens.

While I understand what you are saying, I take some exception to this as a firm statement as one does not equate to the other. I know plenty of a**holes, and they would not rape someone, I also know plenty of girls that do and have done plenty of "idiot" stuff but that does not mean that they are to be taken advantage of (even by a**holes). So while your are right that if you are stupid in your actions "stuff can happen", just being an idiot doesn't make it any more understandable why someone would rape.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 15):
There's a sense of entitlement in today's youth--particularly regarding sex. They seem to think gettin' laid is a fundamental right.

I'm probably nitpicking but it pretty much is your right (to get laid) but it is not your right to do so forcefully and without a consenting (and "of age"/competent) partner.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 19):
I think this is generally true, but entirely debatable. My best friend is no less well-adjusted than I am, yet he listens to incredibly angry/aggressive music that actually frightens me. He's not a violent person whatsoever. So I think that there are cases, perhaps outliers, where it really just boils down to taster. Perhaps (and I've never asked him) the sound just appeals to him irrespective of his emotions.

Interestingly there was a time when I could "just listen" to music but then I started to listen to the words as well and I changed to where I really cannot listen to any music that has vile (my interpretation) stuff in it. I think it is because I end up often signing along with the songs in my head, and I just can't say stuff I very much disagree with. I can't sing that I would like to kill someone or "rape her", or other such stuff. I just don't like it becoming "first person" in my head, since I am saying the words. But a lot of "angry music" often involves self-loathing and self-destruction etc. and I guess I am more OK with that (but I generally don't want to "f**k myself" or "kill myself" etc.   ).

Tugg



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Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Thread starter):
Three young men rape 15 year old

They are just 15 y.o. Their brain and their capabilities to fully grasp the consequences when they rape someone and post pictures and videos on Internet are not 100%. I don't mean it as an excuse, far from it, it's just a fact. There is also the narcissistic aspect and the wish to be a 'man' or at least to impress the others. If you mix all this with smartphones and easy access to the world via Internet, this is a possible result. It's very sad.



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25 dc9northwest : Fair enough. "Stuff can happen" sounds better than "stuff happens" in this case. One person's freedom ends where another's begins is a good way of sa
26 seb146 : Why is there not punishment for the bystanders that say "he shouldn't be doing that" then turn back around and start drinking again? Where are the kid
27 DocLightning : I never said I disliked it, but I do dislike it. More because of the way the sound hits me than the lyrics. I prefer my music either without lyrics o
28 Post contains images WestJet747 : I'm in my early-20's, so I was 15 not too long ago. I can say with 100% certainty that I remember at the age of 15, no matter how developed I was at
29 SpaceshipDC10 : Thankfully for you, you were conscious of that, but others aren't, and they don't necessarily start being dumbass by raping someone. There are other
30 kiwirob : So did I and I imagine most 15 year olds would also know this.
31 Post contains links and images StarAC17 : Here is a story from Canada that is basically exactly the same and the bullying around this case still continues . http://www.cbc.ca/ns/features/rehta
32 Post contains images Quokkas : That reminds me, in a previous post you described an incident where you had an unfortunate response when a woman made allegations against you followi
33 kiwirob : Worked out well, the police dropped the matter, the investigator said it was a complete waste of his time and rather petty on behalf of the women who
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