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Al-Qaeda Terror Plot To Derail NYC-Toronto Train.  
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26900 posts, RR: 58
Posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3100 times:

Breaking news that Canadian police have foiled a plot to launch a terror attack on the rail network on a train from New York to Toronto.

news.sky.com

Thank god they foiled it . Could have resulted in mass casualties.

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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7862 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3039 times:

Hmm, so was this attack going to be primarily against Canada or was America the target? Luckily for our friends up north, they've been spared from terrorism (AFAIK.) Glad this resulted in an arrest


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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
Hmm, so was this attack going to be primarily against Canada or was America the target?

Initial reports suggest the bomb was targeted more-so for a location in Toronto or Niagara, not necessarily the train itself.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
Luckily for our friends up north, they've been spared from terrorism (AFAIK.)

Not quite... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Toronto_18



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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2915 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

"They watched trains and railways in the Greater Toronto area."

Great so now every trainspotter who likes to photograph trains is going to get hassled by police.....



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

I'm glad this got reported at all. "What might have been..."

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7394 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

Why Canada?! What has Canada done to piss off extremists?


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9269 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
Why Canada?! What has Canada done to piss off extremists?

The guilt is that Canada offers an open and free society to everyone.

These extremists do not stop until the world is back into the medieval times-.



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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
Why Canada?! What has Canada done to piss off extremists?

Terrorists, of whatever persuasion, can always invent a reason. But in recent years Canada has been an active participant in various operations in the Middle East, Afghanistan and Africa. That might give a "justification" to those who are looking for one.

It is fortunate that in this instance the authorities were able to prevent an attack.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2721 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 6):
The guilt is that Canada offers an open and free society to everyone.

No infact BS.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 7):
in recent years Canada has been an active participant in various operations in the Middle East, Afghanistan and Africa. That might give a "justification" to those who are looking for one.

Yes for sure.


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13072 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Here is a link to a news story on this plot:
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...lleged-canada-train-bomb-plot?lite

Apparently it was others in the Muslim community in the Toronto area that gave key information to the RCMP about this plot. They apparently were targeting the Amtrak/VIA train between Penn Station in NYC and Toronto, a train that operates up the Hudson River, through Albany and Niagara Falls to Toronto. The disturbing issue is the connection of these alleged plotters to a small al-Queda group that operates in Iran, near the borders of Afghanistan and Pakistan, often giving help to al-Queda groups in those countries. Of course, many here in the USA (especially right wingers) will try to connect this group in Iran with the government of Iran and Iran's nuke program and anger of the USA (and Israel) as to that program. They are foreign nationals (although their nationality has yet to be disclosed), both graduate students, one was in the Toronto area, the other in Montreal.

As to terror and Canada, don't forget the terror attack on 2 Air India flights, one that blew up near the coast of Ireland, the other where the checked bag blew when the flight arrived in Japan.


User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3741 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
What has Canada done to piss off extremists?

They allow women to work, drive and vote... How dare they?!



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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6084 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2664 times:
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Quoting alberchico (Reply 3):
Great so now every trainspotter who likes to photograph trains is going to get hassled by police

We already went through that once and it still goes on. Now it will just be worse. I was thinking about driving acorss the river and do some train watching in Windsor one of these days; I guess I'll postpone that for a while now.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
Why Canada?! What has Canada done to piss off extremists?

Who knows. I am sure these guys have a reason. Maybe it as simple as people are non believers so they deserve to die. I once lived in a apartment building where the office manager was stealing rent money. When she was caught she claimed that it was ok to steal from non believers. Some people are just twisted.



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User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3452 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2534 times:
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It seems that the Canadian police got a tip about those two people from a local imam.
In Arabic
http://www.elaph.com/Web/news/2013/4/807559.html



I am against any terrorist acts committed under the name of Islam
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 13):
It seems that the Canadian police got a tip about those two people from a local imam

Good.

In general, there needs to be a LOT more action taken place not just locally, but globally in Islam as an institution about this. At present, the vast majority of terrorist attacks world-wide are linked to militant islamism. The higher-ups in Mecca and Medina need to do some serious thinking.

Islam is not like Catholicism in that there is not a single heierarchical organization. There is no "Pope" or "Cardinal" who can excommunicate people from the "Church." However, there are other measures that can be taken to begin to steer Islam into a direction that will lead to the disenfranchisement of its extremist representatives. Better emphasis on secular education in general, more emphasis on ecumenical efforts, and an enhancement of womens' rights would be a good starting place.

But something must be done to disenfranchise and isolate the extremists. If Muslims continue to be seen as responsible for an increasing number of terrorist attacks around the world, the voices crying for genocide will simply get louder until they cannot be ignored or put down any longer. And that would lead to a very dark time for humankind, indeed.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20479 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2483 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
the voices crying for genocide will simply get louder

Understanding the severity of this word, it might be responsible to define this better, as in what voices are currently crying for genocide, against which groups, so that it's not misunderstood.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):

Understanding the severity of this word, it might be responsible to define this better, as in what voices are currently crying for genocide, against which groups, so that it's not misunderstood.

Against all Muslims and Arabs and those who "look Muslim." Look, when it comes down to genocide, reason and logic don't exactly figure into it. Israel put a fair amount of work into trying to develop biological weapons specific to Arabs. Obviously, it didn't pan out for them.

At present, there are many Americans who honestly believe that the solution to this entire problem is to carpet-nuke (or neutron bomb) the entire Mid-East and march all Arabs in this country off to the gas chambers. On the "less extreme" end of the scale, I saw the video of Rick Santorum standing behind the Rev. Jeremiad White and applauding enthusiastically as the good Reverend said that all non-Christians should get out of the USA.

Every terrorist attack of this nature leads to more xenophobia. Now, Rick Santorum was a Presidential candidate for a major political party. Can you imagine if attacks like this were to become more frequent to the point that someone like that might actually win an election and have his finger on the trigger of the single most powerful nuclear arsenal in the world?

If you think "it can't happen," then perhaps you should listen to the interviews of Holocaust survivors. They didn't think it could happen there, either. Or at least, not until it was too late. But in this case, while the onus falls on those of us who know better and who keep cooler heads to try to prevent such action on our side, there is at least as much onus on those who are high up in the religion of Islam to call for some very deep changes from within so that it can no longer be used as an excuse for violence.


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

The story got interesting yesterday. One of the suspects, Chiheb Esseghaier, had a court appearance yesterday where he proclaimed (after having been told by the judge to be careful with his words) that he doesn't recognize Canada's Criminal Code because "it is not a holy book". Here's a direct quote:

“All of us we know that this Criminal Code is not holy book, it’s just written by set of creations and the creations – they’re not perfect because only the Creator is perfect so if we are basing our judgment … we cannot rely on the conclusions taken out from these judgments.”

He has been remanded until May 23rd.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
I'm glad this got reported at all.

Well, things are different up here. People killing each other isn't a daily thing for us. For example, whenever there is a report of shots being fired in the GTA, it's immediately all over the news...whereas in cities like Chicago, only the actual murders ever get mentioned.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
Why Canada?! What has Canada done to piss off extremists?

I suspect it's because Canada is the USA's biggest ally and trading partner. Canadians and Americans are fairly different in many respects, but terrorists still consider Canada to be part of the "evil West" because we're bedmates with the our largest/only neighbour, who they happen to hate.



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User currently offlineb787900 From Canada, joined Sep 2011, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

Thankfully the authorities were able to prevent the attack in time! It is very difficult to understand why some individuals feel the need to inflict harm upon innocent people. It's just sickening. It is also becoming more apparent that the world is changing, sadly not for the better in many cases.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 16):

I beg to differ, at least somewhat. I don't think people in Chicago or in the US in general randomly kill one another (typical Canadian/foreign misconception). According to numerous news reports and a number of reputable online sources, violent crime in the US is usually drug related (gang members vs. other gang members). Violent crime against random people is rare. Now speaking of Toronto, althought there has been significantly less violent crime in the GTA in 2012 than in the previous years, it is still a rather relatively frequent occurrence. But again, it usually happens among criminals. Besides, I don't get what this has to do with the topic being discussed   ? There is no need to be smug. Potential serious terror related plots almost always get media attention, particularly in the West.

Canadians and Americans may be a bit different when it comes to a few social issues or foreign policy, but we are defiantly not all that different culturally. Hardly at all. Besides, most people aren't that much different from one another regardless of country/region. People are the same everywhere. Those who claim that they are somehow "different" or superior than another group, race, or nationality are delusional. This might to some small degree explain why certain individuals feel they have the right to commit atrocious acts of terror against innocent people.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):

What a fantasy, did the jews have their own majority jewish states? can you imagine the repoercussions of what you think is going to be a simple one sided thing and then all is well? like I said only the anti-Christ will roll out that carpet.


User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3452 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2108 times:
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Quoting 777way (Reply 18):
What a fantasy, did the jews have their own majority jewish states? can you imagine the repoercussions of what you think is going to be a simple one sided thing and then all is well? like I said only the anti-Christ will roll out that carpet.

Not really, you perhaps have not been to the USA lately, there is such a movement and such calls, they don't count for too much so far but remember a fire starts with a small sparkle.
I do agree with DocLighting, it's the duty of Muslims to show the peaceful way of there religion, this is not easy when few thousand use the religion to commit terrible acts. Trying to ignore that there is a problem only encourage those extremists.

Also i want to add we have no fight with the Jewish religion as such but with Zionism.



I am against any terrorist acts committed under the name of Islam
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2095 times:

You think they care about peace loving muslims? who are they going to carpet bomb in the middle east as Doc said, just terrprists? it seems hes saynig they think all muslims are terrorists.

User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2079 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 20):
it seems hes saynig they think all muslims are terrorists.

Yes, the Doc has pointed out that there are those who do think that all Muslims are terrorists, or at least predisposed to violence. There are one or two in the A.net community who have expressed such views. Those people are not the majority and, fortunately, they do not control US foreign policy.

Here I agree with SOBHI51, it is the responsibility of Muslims (just the same as other citizens) to show that they are peaceful and that will mean where necessary co-operating with the authorities to prevent terrorist attacks, as occurred in this instance. Over the years there have been dozens of fatwas condemning terrorism. Many Muslim people and organisations have strived to be peaceful and law abiding citizens but their announcements and efforts are often ignored by mainstream media and dismissed as a smoke-screen by those who wish to incite fear and loathing. Of course you will never convince those who choose not to listen.

But every terrorist attack serves to gain credibility for those who do preach hatred and a small minority today can rapidly become a majority tomorrow.


User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2602 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2033 times:

Quoting b787900 (Reply 17):
Thankfully the authorities were able to prevent the attack in time!



Well, I wouldn't be so fast in praising the authorities. One of the suspects shouldn't even be in the country. He was about to be deported but allowed to stay claiming statelessness. Heck, ha was even pardoned for crimes in order to gain permanent residency. Honestly, as a naturalized Canadian I'm deeply offended by this. Just look to the linked article to see how nice guy this "freedom fighter" is:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...rror-train-derail-suspect/2113767/


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20479 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 22):
offended

Weren't you aware that the internet police who prowl these environs have now taken exception to the "O word"? You're supposed to control your emotions so others don't have to do it for you.  



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

Quokkas, so you too are suggesting that majority muslims world wide are potential terrorists?

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 22):
as a naturalized Canadian I'm deeply offended by this.

The key word is naturalized, I doubt Canada is concenred in your types being offended by their policies.


25 SOBHI51 : In a country like Canada, this does not make a difference you are a Canadian, period.
26 777way : I hope same can be said for Saudi Arabia someday.
27 Quokkas : I am not sure how you come to that conclusion. I have in fact indicated the opposite. In previous threads, when people have complained that Muslims d
28 NASCARAirforce : Which will then carry over to anything transportation related, such as spotting at airports again. Not force their women to wear burkas. Don't feel b
29 SOBHI51 : That's smart, we are discussing Canada here, noticed when you find nothing to say you try to change subject. Before looking at my country, how about
30 PanHAM : So where should they send him when no other country accepts him? canada is stuck with the guy, simple as that. In Berlin and other cities we have who
31 CaliAtenza : My question is, how do people, such as doctors and engineers; people of respectable careers, decide to commit terrorist acts, in the name of Islam? Th
32 DocLightning : That is exactly what they think. And every single terrorist attack committed in the name of Jihad "proves" their point. I am not defending them; I am
33 DeltaMD90 : Agreed. Saying that peaceful Muslims shouldn't police extremist Muslims because there will be some Americans who will still want to destroy the Middl
34 HOMSaR : Hasn't it basically been demonstrated that so-called "dirty bombs" aren't actually feasible, and that the greatest threat it poses is the explosion i
35 Post contains links AeroWesty : There's quite a bit of hysteria in some of the above posts. A dirty bomb isn't the same as an atomic bomb. When in doubt, go to a knowledgable source
36 DocLightning : It can be something else, then. I dunno, smallpox. Bottom line, when something like that happens, it will be very bad indeed, and not just for those
37 Post contains links AeroWesty : I understand your fear, it's quite common. I look at it differently, in that the political centers where these kinds of plots originate may very well
38 ltbewr : I think Canada is a bit more liberal than the USA as to accepting human rights refugees and as still has ties to the UK Commonwealth, it is easier for
39 WestJet747 : I never said they did. I'm not sure how I'm being smug...or how you don't get how it relates to the topic, for that matter. American intelligence dis
40 777way : Well it was ironic that some one a place like Saudi should speak with such pride about Canada and its policiies. as for my country no we don't like o
41 Post contains images SOBHI51 : I was just responding to this, just to clarify the policies of Canada.
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