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JAL 1628 Incident  
User currently offlineaaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8121 posts, RR: 26
Posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

Normally, the scientifically-inclined mind takes these stories with a grain of salt, but a Japanese pilot friend sent me this the other day, saying that he and a Captain were discussing UFOs a few weeks ago and the Captain told him he had seen one early in his career when he was an FO. He and his captain saw an object appear out the top of a cloud, come into the vicinity of their aircraft, stayed a few moments, and then maneuvered away at impossible speed and trajectory. The JCAB took their report at the time but basically told them "don't call us, we'll call you" and didn't want to pursue their report further. My friend concluded the conversation by saying he didn't really believe this stuff, it must have been an illusion and the Captain (who is ex-JAL) told him "then you should check out the story of JAL 1628 - that might change your mind."

Now I had never heard of this story either, but after checking it out, this JL 1628 incident seems like a substantial mystery. Is anyone familiar with this story? What the hell did Captain Terauchi and his crew come across that day??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iSzjoGwxG4


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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2545 times:

Lets see - two smaller unidentified strange shapped objects near JAL 1628 in the vicinity of Eileson AFB in Alaska soon after the F-117A goes operational, but is still secret and not publicly known.

A larger object is seen in the same vicinity at the same time - three years before the B-2 bomber is publicly acknowledged.

Sounds really like they saw some new aircraft and a testing prototype of USAF Area-51 secret aircraft projects.


User currently offlinedamirc From Slovenia, joined Feb 2004, 726 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

The story goes on  

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8knB13P748
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKulRtr1IYc

Testimony by John Callahan, the former FAA Division Chief of the Accident and Investigation Board.

And according to the testimony (most) of the material related to the incident ... vanished ...  

D.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20494 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

If what people see as UFOs would actually land rather than just zip around, hover, or create crop circles, I could believe in them. Until then, to me, UFOs are simply atmospheric anomalies.


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User currently offlinedamirc From Slovenia, joined Feb 2004, 726 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

Well, I'd guesstimate that more than 95% of reported UFOs have perfectly normal explanations - be it cellestial bodies, be it reflections, be it atmospheric anomalies. The remainder is what is interesting. Now, extraterrestrial intelligence controlling said UFOs seems unlikely given both the dimension of space and the time "overlaps" where two intelligences need to be at reasonable levels of development (and the higher developped intelligence still having an interest exploring around it's cellestial neighborhood) - so I would agree that they are indeed unidentified flying objects. JAL1628 seems a perfect example - having experienced pilot eyes (several pair actually) watching the phenomenon for a longer time period, ground radar acknowledging the contact and confirming the positioning. So whatever it was - it was picked up by radar, seen by humans and was doing things that are counter to our abilities at the current time.

Now, green little men ... there I'm not that certain  

D.


User currently offlineaaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8121 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 1):

Lets see - two smaller unidentified strange shapped objects near JAL 1628 in the vicinity of Eileson AFB in Alaska soon after the F-117A goes operational, but is still secret and not publicly known.

A larger object is seen in the same vicinity at the same time - three years before the B-2 bomber is publicly acknowledged.

I cannot for the life of me fathom why pilots of secret test aircraft would spend an hour screwing with a foreign 747. Can you?



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

Quoting aaron747 (Reply 5):
Can you?

I could very well believe a test to see if the military aircraft can get close to a civilian airliner, preferrably not a US owned aircraft. They could have run intercepts on it. They could want to get close enough to see if they are not detected, or to see if the military aircraft could be identified.

Quoting damirc (Reply 4):
I'd guesstimate that more than 95% of reported UFOs have perfectly normal explanations

I wouldn't argue with that, but I would have no trouble believing some of the UFOs are secret military aircraft. Not super secret aircraft with exotic alien origin propulsion, but simply planes like the A-12/YF-12, the F-111, the F-117, the B-2 or even some of the earliest UAV aircraft, or possibly planes like the MiG-25 and SU-27.


User currently offlineaaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8121 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2269 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 6):
I wouldn't argue with that, but I would have no trouble believing some of the UFOs are secret military aircraft. Not super secret aircraft with exotic alien origin propulsion, but simply planes like the A-12/YF-12, the F-111, the F-117, the B-2 or even some of the earliest UAV aircraft, or possibly planes like the MiG-25 and SU-27.

I wouldn't argue with that either. The point of interest here is that some of the things airline pilots have reported seeing do not match the maneuvering or acceleration profiles of known aircraft.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 6):
They could have run intercepts on it. They could want to get close enough to see if they are not detected, or to see if the military aircraft could be identified.

Fair enough, if part of the test program really involves such risky endeavors I can buy that. But the B-2 and F-117 are neither the size or shape reported by the three crew members on JAL 1628, and the weather conditions in the report don't seem to allow for any odd reflections or things of that nature. They also are not capable of the reported maneuvering. That's what piques my curiosity here.



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2236 times:

Quoting aaron747 (Reply 7):
They also are not capable of the reported maneuvering.

That's possible - however I've looked at a lot of UFO reports over the years, and it is obvious to me that pilots reports of maneuvering capabilities of UFOs are almost always grossly overstated.

I'm just saying I see nothing in the JAL 1628 reports that makes me interested. It is so very much like so many others. Even some of the same phrases used to describe the craft and actions.

I find it suspicious that so many reports keep using the same words, the same descriptions of appearance, the same descriptions of how the craft move and accelerate.

I'm very skeptical, especially based on my years in the military.

Could the military fly some different prototype aircraft over the years that we have not heard of, and occasionally have the aircraft spotted and reported? I'm certain that could happen.

Could the military keep a prototype aircraft secret for a while? Sure, but not forever.

Could the military keep an 'alien' craft a secret? Not for long. Just too good a story to tell, and over the years the number of people with knowledge grows, and grows and grows.

Could the civilians on the upper political level in the US government keep an alien craft a secret? Not a snowball's chance in Hades.


User currently offlineaaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8121 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 8):
Could the military fly some different prototype aircraft over the years that we have not heard of, and occasionally have the aircraft spotted and reported? I'm certain that could happen.

Could the military keep a prototype aircraft secret for a while? Sure, but not forever.

Could the military keep an 'alien' craft a secret? Not for long. Just too good a story to tell, and over the years the number of people with knowledge grows, and grows and grows.

Could the civilians on the upper political level in the US government keep an alien craft a secret? Not a snowball's chance in Hades.

1. I am inclined to agree - has definitely happened before.

2. Again, inclined to agree, but I am not sure messing with civilian jetliners is the most logical way to do this.

3-4. Conspiracy is a difficult thing to keep under wraps, but if this is a legitimate issue, there are incredible scientific and geopolitical/sociocultural concerns at play that would put this into the dedicated policy arena. I don't think such a thing would be remotely comparable to other transnational issues in terms of need-to-know handling and management. Outside the structures of real power, we just don't know how that kind of thing would actually be dealt with.

That said, it is equally plausible that UFOs served as a useful disinformation distraction for intelligence entities in the Soviet Union and the west at the height of Cold War paranoia, and then snowballed into what it is now via popular culture. But even if that was the case, the end result would be the same as what you say. Too many civilian actors would know about the disinformation campaign, and would likely have blown the lid on it by now.

Again, we just don't know.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 8):
That's possible - however I've looked at a lot of UFO reports over the years, and it is obvious to me that pilots reports of maneuvering capabilities of UFOs are almost always grossly overstated.

This is certainly a fair point, but to be fair I would argue that pilots and other aviation professionals are a far better reporting source than the general public.



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User currently offlineiakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3313 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_UFO_wave
http://www.ufocasebook.com/belgianreport.html

Scepticism and critical analysis do not go together.
When one starts with a blank paper and an open mind, and after careful study ends down to "unexplainable" it has nothing to do with an anomaly, there is simply no contemporary explanation for a phenomenon that did exist.
If you have never seen one do not deny others the right to see.

Oh, I was a (sober) witness in 1990.


User currently offlineTheRedBaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2204 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

As someone who has had the chance of seeing UFOs twice, MX and AM pilots have told me that they have seen UFOS while flying in Mexico, one of them even told me he was "approached" by one and kept in formation flying till he got the the landing flare in MEX !!.
HE reported it and the authorities told him not to make a fuss over it and keep it cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6quXkRPSYTY air force video....

Quoting aaron747 (Reply 5):
I cannot for the life of me fathom why pilots of secret test aircraft would spend an hour screwing with a foreign 747. Can you?

Me neither....


TRB



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User currently offlineaaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8121 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2016 times:

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 11):
air force video....

The video quality is pretty bad. Could very well be flocking geese reflecting sunlight. In the sidebar there were links to some other very interesting amateur video of bizarre phenomena in MEX.

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 11):
one of them even told me he was "approached" by one and kept in formation flying

Airline pilots in many places have had similar experiences.

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 11):
HE reported it and the authorities told him not to make a fuss over it and keep it cool

This is precisely what how my friend said his Captain told him Japanese authorities handled it.



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User currently offlineTheRedBaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2204 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

The weird video I posted, is from an Mexican Airforce crew performing test on a Then NEW Forward looking infrared (FLIR), they were testing-training, and they video lats like 10 minutes, the formation was around 20 orbs and they moved around.

Somehow the video leaked and appeared in the Night news, and caused a big fuss, even the military had to come to the T.V. and say that they did not know what it was...

Once a friend of mine ( he is a UFO nut) told me that sometimes huge spaceships move around and use cloud formations to hide (they are invisible but distort light so they can be "seen" by the distortion they cause, hence they use cloud cover) , he specifically told me : " if you see a saucer shaped cloud and then it moves slowly not loosing its shape, you are looking at a huge UFO" Then BAM 4 years later I am driving in Mexico City and see this huge cloud that looked like a UFO, lo and beholdd it lasted like 40 minutes, moved and then it vanished in like 3 to 4 minutes... I regretfully dont have video but I used my cel to take pictures and show it to him ( I still have not), Ill try to post them here to see what you think..

Cheers

TRB



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User currently offlineaaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8121 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 13):
I am driving in Mexico City and see this huge cloud that looked like a UFO

Those are lenticular clouds. They make all kinds of incredible shapes and are often mistaken for something else. They are rare but form more often near mountain ranges as the air passing over is very turbulent.



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