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George W. Bush Library Dedication  
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Posted (12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

The George W. Bush Presidential Library and Museum opens in Dallas today.

http://www.georgewbushlibrary.smu.edu/

The above link is safe to click on, one of the featured videos on the home page is currently 'Barney & Miss Beazley's Spring Garden Tour'. I didn't get any further, so I don't know if that was indicative of the rest of the site or not.

Anyone here invited to the opening? I understand that President Obama, the First Lady, and all of our living former and ex-presidents will be in attendance.

[Edited 2013-04-25 08:24:26]


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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2675 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3335 times:
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Is there a section dedicated to the WMDs he found in Iraq?


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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7006 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3318 times:

^^
Wow only took one post.  

Anyway, I am watching. Always interesting seeing the other presidents talk about one which did not share party lines. For the most part I do think Clinton and Obama respect Bush for the sole reason of the job he held and what a difficult job it is. It is already happening though, Bush 43 legacy is getting better and will continue to be seen in a better light as the years go by.

Good speech by W.

[Edited 2013-04-25 09:12:26]


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User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1405 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

Quoting Arrow (Reply 1):
Is there a section dedicated to the WMDs he found in Iraq?

Well technically, since they are calling a pressure cooker with some fireworks in it a WMD, I'd venture to say we did find some there.

That said, as unpopular as W may be, I would say that having hit at a cookout with some beers would probably be a mighty fun time. He seems like, politics aside, a nice guy

-DiamondFlyer



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 3):
Well technically, since they are calling a pressure cooker with some fireworks in it a WMD, I'd venture to say we did find some there.

Anyone who wants to go down that route will also have to then justify the 'Mission Accomplished' speech given 10 years ago next week vs. the state of affairs in Iraq over the past decade. Especially since it took a later 'surge' and a subsequent president to clean things up in order to bring our troops home.



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11954 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3233 times:

What book does it have?
Is it a coloring book?
Or is it a comic book?
GWB: Worst. President. Ever.



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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3211 times:

The one thing it will be missing is the presidential limo. Clinton was the last president to get one of the vehicles for his library.

All future limos from Bush onward will be destroyed by the Secret Service to protect their classified armor technology.

Here is a pic of the Clinton limo at his library:




short summary of every jewish holiday: they tried to kill us ,we won , lets eat !
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15502 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3187 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 5):
GWB: Worst. President. Ever.

Not unless we lost Jimmy Carter somewhere.

Quoting alberchico (Reply 6):
All future limos from Bush onward will be destroyed by the Secret Service to protect their classified armor technology.

They aren't that interesting anyway beyond the actual technology which they can't show us anyway. Looks and stylewise, they're just trucks that took a long bath in the parts bin.



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User currently offlineRedd From Poland, joined Jan 2013, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 3):
He seems like, politics aside, a nice guy

Sure, if you don't also count the hundreds of thousands of people killed, tortured and 4.5 million people in Iraq alone displaced from their homes and living as refugees as a direct result of his 'wars on terror'

I personally would like to see the man jailed for life.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 5):
What book does it have?
Is it a coloring book?

I don't think old George could stay within the lines let alone read. The man can barely speak English.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 5):
GWB: Worst. President. Ever.

  


User currently offlineklm672 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2419 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

..and when tries to read, the book is upside down!


User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3049 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 5):
GWB: Worst. President. Ever.


But yet,Obama has carried over many of Bush's policies.

Immigration,Patriot Act,Gitmo,Bush taxes,War(s),how many times has Obama promised to end it?Most of these issues was on Obama 2008 opposition,blame Bush campaign.They are alive and well today.

So,does is it come down to whose a Republican and a Democrat issue? I wonder. Because Bill Clinton still has the welcome mat with gays after he wrote or endorsed DADT and DOMA. Double standard?

Bush is not the worse after what Obama has done.And now,if one wishes, should blame Obama who has been given a free ride with the media. And I find it very hard to believe that ultra liberals can police themselves and after media's torture of Bush of those SAME issues in which Obama carried over.Some was warranted,some not,like Katrina.

Congrats to the opening of the Bush library.And I do thank Obama for joining in the opening ceremonies which makes this nation great.And yes,I would say congrats to Obama when he opens his.

[Edited 2013-04-25 12:44:53]


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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6690 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

See I was right he does have reading difficulties, one ready does wonder if he's ever been inside a library?



User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11954 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 10):
But yet,Obama has carried over many of Bush's policies.

Immigration,Patriot Act,Gitmo,Bush taxes,War(s),how many times has Obama promised to end it?

It's fair to say neither GWB or BHO got all of what they wanted through Congress, but clearly there are things Obama would change if he could get them through Congress, many of them are things you've listed, and all are things started by GWB.

PS: You forgot to credit Bush for creating TSA and DHS.

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 10):
Bush is not the worse after what Obama has done

Do you mean continuing the Bush bailouts perchance? Otherwise, what are you on about? ACA? Time will tell on that one, and if that's the worst thing he did, it's minor compared to the trillions of dollars and thousands of lives GWB wasted in Iraq.

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 10):
And now,if one wishes, should blame Obama who has been given a free ride with the media.

Free ride? Did you see the Benghazi coverage? Compared to that, GWB got a free ride on Iraq, given the magnitude of the actual issues.



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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3049 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3084 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 11):
See I was right he does have reading difficulties, one ready does wonder if he's ever been inside a library?

(LOL)Bush answered that today.No.He avoided them when he was younger.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
Quoting Revelation (Reply 5):
GWB: Worst. President. Ever.

Not unless we lost Jimmy Carter somewhere.

I will agree somewhat with that,but give Carter his dues.He's certainly is one the best post-POTUS ever.And very few former POTUS would engage in such human extension activities as he has.



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User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2401 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3071 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 2):
Always interesting seeing the other presidents talk about one which did not share party lines.

Agreed. It was nice to see them put politics aside for once and just show some respect/admiration for their fellow "fraternity" member. And it made for quite a nice photo op - not too often you get all the living US Presidents together in one spot.
http://imageshack.us/a/img841/5936/31622359apobamabushlibr.jpg

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 11):
See I was right he does have reading difficulties, one ready does wonder if he's ever been inside a library?
"There was a time in my life when I wasn't likely to be found at a library, much less found one," Bush quipped, before thanking his predecessors and successor for the "kind words" and the "examples you set."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...honor-president-bush-dedicate-his/



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11954 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (12 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 14):
And it made for quite a nice photo op - not too often you get all the living US Presidents together in one spot.

Nice indeed. In retrospect I wonder if GHWB wishes he didn't go with the hot pink socks? I imagine chances are good he doesn't give a damn...



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 16, posted (12 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 15):
In retrospect I wonder if GHWB wishes he didn't go with the hot pink socks?

Apparently, this is becoming one of his trademarks. His granddaughter even tweeted a photo of granddad's socks today (pink with polka dots!), and raved that he "loves a good sock!"  Wow!




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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

Far too many, including myself, here and elsewhere have given plenty of criticism of GWB for many years. I am not going to add more to this discussion here. Suffice to say, today's dedication was a happy fest, with only minor touching of areas of legitimate critical commentary.

At the heart of the Presidential Libraries are the documents and other records of their respective Administrations, which are owned by the public and will be accessible to the public. Far too many records are inaccessible for anywhere from a few years to forever as involve legitimate security and personal privacy needs but far too many for political reasons. I do hope investigative reporters, journalists, historians will search thoroughly the GWB Library records to get more information as to his decisions and policies, the truth behind them, who he met with, their influences.

I would love future Presidential records be in a single place, where all former President or their families cannot control records to put the best spin on them.


User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

Quoiting alberchico (Rep 6): "All future limos from Bush onward will be destroyed by the Secret Service to protect their classified armor technology." Maybe so...wouldn't argue.

But for those even remotely interested, when I was at Ford Styling I was privey to a few operations that we were envolved in with a pair of presidential Lincolns that envolved armour "technology". The door's exterior sheet metal was not. A supplier shipped treated steel slabs of (maybe 1/2', maybe 3/4", maybe a bit thicker...don't remember) rolled to a slight crown, and our template (pattern) makers and metal workers surfaced these slabs to precisely replicate the styling countours of the Lincoln body side. The interior door sheet metal stampings were of course reman'd w/ upgraded structure thickness via more plate and these pieces were welded together as an assembly. After class-A metal finishing and paint, they looked exactly like the original production parts (except, of course, they were dimensionally different for the stretch wheelbase and modified lock and hinge pillars plus you needed a team of four or so big men to handle each for install and adjust).

I do not know about the fenders and rear quarter panels. I am thinking the exterior pieces may have been production sheet metal with serious internal reinfs, but don't remember. But, anyhoo, that was the armor "technology" back then. All best...jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7006 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2935 times:

To those you think W is such a dumb guy I can guarantee he is probably more intelligent than 99 out of 100 people on Anet.
http://keithhennessey.com/2013/04/24/smarter/



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 680 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 22):

Fun read. Thanks for posting that.



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3825 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 14):
Agreed. It was nice to see them put politics aside for once and just show some respect/admiration for their fellow "fraternity" member.

Here's another picture with the five presidents and a future president.

http://media.pennlive.com/midstate_impact/photo/bush-library-62c420f89ba148b1.jpg



Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7006 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2911 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 25):
Here's another picture with the five presidents and a future president.

You are talking about the back of Jeb Bush's head right? 



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3825 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 26):
You are talking about the back of Jeb Bush's head right? 

Nope, I'm talking about Jeb's son, George P. Bush.  



Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

i hadn't realized the amount of world dignitaries in attendence.

Anyway , I was not particularly a fan of his, but he is no longer in office and this is an occasion afforded each former President. Let him have his day and future whatever it may bring. He loved his country and was elected to two terms.


25 Post contains links alberchico : Here's an interesting article: http://www.boston.com/cars/news/arti...6/cadillac_testing_new_obama_limo/ I found this quote fascinating: "In the same
26 Aesma : Why are they all looking down ? And why a bullet proof glass only on the side ?
27 AeroWesty : I didn't see the whole ceremony, but it looks like some type of prayer or moment of silence going on, since the audience have their heads bowed as we
28 ipodguy7 : I am honored to be a student at SMU where the new library is, and was honored to go to the opening. Politics aside, it was an incredible experience an
29 seb146 : Unlike the "patriots" at FOX and AM radio and tea people who assure the American people that Obama and Clinton both hate America. BTW, the deficit di
30 Post contains links na : His librarian is known to have been briefed to follow this link: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...url=node%3D4&field-keywords=cowboy [/quot
31 BMI727 : I hope your grandma got you a gold Trans Am. Damn right. It wasn't being paid for out of Jimmy Carter's bank accounts. He also presided over a countr
32 seb146 : I know that's what people think about Bush II but what about Carter? What does a president have to do with what private corporations do? What does a
33 sw733 : I trust you've spoken to the many, many presidential scholars, in addition to your own research on each and every president and his policies and acti
34 Revelation : Museum curators are historians, not security professionals. In the security realm, if there's no need to trust someone, why would you do it? Of cours
35 aloges : And yet, he made some of the worst policy decisions in the last decades. Intelligence is worth nothing if you're unwilling to question your own concl
36 Post contains images na : So what, the world of intelligent men making horrendous mistakes. ... and if you trust warmongering advisors like Rumsney.
37 Post contains links Darksnowynight : Hmmmmmm... Well, I read the article (which, let's be honest, is really an editorial at best), and I didn't see anything there that would support this
38 BMI727 : He's the old fashioned, kindly but slightly senile guy who tells stories on his porch, which he's much better at than governing. Jimmy does fine buil
39 Post contains images AeroWesty : So even though Carter blundered, it was actually a good thing, because it caused us to get our act together, if I'm reading what you wrote correctly.
40 BMI727 : In a roundabout way, yes. The military got their act together and reorganized and the country got their act together and elected Ronald Reagan. But i
41 AeroWesty : Well remember, I lived through that era, and it was somewhat different than that. In 1976 a Republican was simply unelectable, no matter how much we
42 rfields5421 : Carter's biggest mistake was thinking he could come to Washington, sweep out the career politicians and tell the Democrats in Congress how to vote on
43 Post contains links AeroWesty : I looked this up, because I remembered it a bit differently. Carter did sweep into Washington "like a prick" in O'Neill's words, but eventually they
44 seb146 : Funny how people forget they were all released as Reagan was being sworn in.... Because his family does not have money. Carter is a diplomat. Not a b
45 Post contains images BMI727 : After one bungled rescue attempt, over a year in captivity, and a lost election. Great job, Jimmy! Oh yeah, Carter makes tons on Habitat for Humanity
46 Revelation : Indeed such promises were what he campaigned on. The country was sick of the cronyism of Tricky Dickie's regime. As you point out, though, he didn't
47 Post contains links seb146 : So he tried and he is the worst ever? Why is Bush II so great when he did nothing to capture bin Laden? In fact, his daddy had the bin Laden family f
48 BMI727 : That's exactly what you can blame Carter for. The military fell into a state of disrepair after Vietnam and Carter did nothing about it, and the fail
49 Post contains images Revelation : It's a perception that's just not borne out in reality. For instance: You can see the down-tick in Tricky Dickie's era being reversed in Carter's era
50 Braybuddy : George who?
51 N867DA : This country would be much better off if George W. Bush wasn't elected, but it isn't appropriate to bring it up during the dedication of his president
52 na : George W(armonger) Bush. Not only the US, the world would be better off. There wouldnt be as much hatred against the US, the financial crisis wouldnt
53 Post contains links AeroWesty : There's no better time as that's actually the entire point of the library. From the New York Times article about the dedication: Bush wants to reveal
54 Revelation : Sure it is. It was built with private funds, but the National Archive and thus my tax dollars will have the task of running it for decades to come. A
55 Post contains images BMI727 : He failed and is the worst ever. More to the point, he failed largely because he was the worst ever. There was also the whole thing with the economy
56 1337Delta764 : And anyone who believes this is GUARANTEED to go to hell as they know they are intentionally being dishonest.[Edited 2013-04-27 11:10:39]
57 DeltaMD90 : I don't get why everyone is arguing "who is the worst" when it is not a fact but merely opinion... it's not like it will ever be proven either way. A
58 1337Delta764 : Well it is an ABSOLUTE FACT that Bush was NOT the worst, regardless of what Democrats want to believe.[Edited 2013-04-27 11:28:29]
59 Post contains links and images DeltaMD90 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact Edit: Actually, you may be right... http://www.conservapedia.com/Jimmy_Carter N
60 AeroWesty : Let's not rewrite history too much. As vets came back from Vietnam, they ran the risk of people spitting on them if they wore their uniform in public
61 Revelation : Sure, if Carter was willing to increase government spending on the military from ~$350B to ~$650B as shown above he could have had a good economy too
62 BMI727 : It's understandable why the military got the way it did, but that doesn't make it right. The leaders should have known better and instead of fixing t
63 AeroWesty : That's fine and dandy to say 35 years later, but totally irrelevant to the times. Militarization simply wasn't a priority that would have passed Cong
64 DeltaMD90 : Some things just happen. The military is learning new things to train for everyday. Night low-levels in a dust storm probably wouldn't have been a to
65 rfields5421 : Carter, along with Ford, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama have all inherited the results of the Nixon administration plan to draw down the US mi
66 seb146 : Yes, it is all subjective. Thank you, once again, for putting things in perspective. So, the right says it didn't happen, therefore, it didn't happen
67 BMI727 : He didn't. And the result was worsened economic malaise and a big black spot in the desert. Things happen a little more often when the military is sh
68 DeltaMD90 : I think we are arguing two different things, but honestly, I could see the same disaster happening even if the military budget hadn't been increased.
69 BMI727 : What happened with Operation Eagle Claw wasn't really the disease as much as a symptom from having a relatively derelict military. The inability or u
70 Post contains links DeltaMD90 : That's not what I am getting from reading about the actual crash: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw#Debacle The pilot, in a bunch of
71 BMI727 : You have to remember that even after all of the helicopters that were flown, and lost, in Vietnam it wasn't until after the Desert One crash that the
72 AeroWesty : Delta Force was created in the post-Vietnam era under Carter after the growing number of terrorist events in the 1970s. Their very first big task? Op
73 rfields5421 : Again, you are factually wrong. You are not an expert on those times. What study you might of done is obviously faulty. And you haven't lived through
74 Post contains links Dreadnought : Yet you seem to unquestionably accept the image of Bush as a bumbling idiot spread by the left and hostile media, vs. reports from everyone (that I c
75 rfields5421 : See - you have proven my point. The national airspace was 'reopened' on Sept 13, however civilians were prevented from flying aircraft for several mo
76 Dreadnought : On Sept 13th private traffic, charters and business jets were all allowed to travel, although airlines did not start up until the 14th. I know for a
77 Post contains images Revelation : And I'm still not sure why that isn't the case still. I still can't explain why GWB didn't learn anything from Vietnam. Nonsense. There is no way you
78 DeltaMD90 : Exactly. If we all of the sudden had to attack something in the Artic (just go along with it) and the mission failed due to some hazard up there, wou
79 Post contains links AeroWesty : The Atlantic did a (long) great article on Eagle Claw a few years ago. It's interesting reading: The Desert One Debacle
80 seb146 : Protesting mosques and shooting up a Sikh temple and telling everyone Obama is a Muslim and forcing everyone to boycott al-Jezeera? None of that stuf
81 Post contains images Dreadnought : I do admit that morons pop up and say do things all the time
82 AeroWesty : Yet in another thread, we're being told that in the west there are "voices crying for genocide" against Muslims. You guys should really get together
83 Dreadnought : One or two nuts maybe. But tell me where you've seen evidence of there being enough of them to constitute a real threat to the Islamic population of
84 Post contains links BMI727 : I never said there weren't small victories. Forming Delta Force was a good idea, even if getting it right took some time and it was also in that era
85 Post contains links AeroWesty : I haven't, and I question that whole line of thinking. I was pointing out that that argument has gone largely unchallenged. See from reply 13 onwards
86 Dreadnought : It goes unchallenged because most people recognize it as stupid talk from inconsequential people. Now, if you have somebody in elected national offic
87 NASCARAirforce : You beat me to it about the coloring book. He was the worst president ever until the guy we got now and it will probably get even worse years to come
88 pu : Bush apologists are not the only ones able to see beyond image and study reality. Nice guy or not, well-spoken or not, Republican or Democrat - the m
89 Post contains images rwy04lga : Lemme guess, you're one of those 1 per centers. My favorite, where he acts all homey and nice in front of the cameras but tough as nails in private.
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