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Do You Think This Guy Deserves A Second Chance?  
User currently offlineL0VE2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1556 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

A.J. Clemente has been all over the news in the past few days, he was trending on Twitter shortly after his blunder and even made it to the TODAY show & The Late Show With David Letterman. Do you think his employer did the right thing by firing him? If you were his superior would you have done the same thing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_uX1RczgQA

http://todayentertainment.today.com/...eo-of-his-on-air-f-bomb-goes-viral

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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1329 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

I think it was very harsh. He made a mistake, and it's not one he will make again. I'm a little bit surprised they can fire him for one swearword said by accident.

If he'd have said it deliberately or if he had said something appallingly racist or sexist that might be one thing, but swearing? Who is really that shocked by the F-bomb these days? They could have had him apologize on a subsequent broadcast, then forgotten all about it.

The poll in the story agrees- 83% of people think the punishment was excessive.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20534 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2700 times:

I've been watching this story develop over the past few days, and my opinion hasn't changed since I first read about it.

I don't think canning him was too harsh. AJ obviously went to school, did demo reels, went through the interview process, and rehearsed on set prior to his first day before the cameras. It seems he arrived on set somewhat unprepared—how could he not be able to give a quick CV about himself or look at the right camera?—and looked very uncomfortable in his surroundings. This wasn't just stagefright.

It wasn't his employer's responsibility to make sure that he performed as a professional. That was his. AJ may very well recover from this with more rehearsals before the camera on his own and seek employment elsewhere. If he makes it, he'll have one true Ted Baxter-style story to tell in another 25 years, that's for sure.



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

Yes, he should have been sacked--dropping something like that is a major FCC violation with possible fines, as far as I know.


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User currently offlinekiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

It wasn't the first time he had been in front of a camera. If he made an error like this after years in broadcasting, I would conclude that there is a reasonable chance it would happen again.

I would have taken him off the air


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

First understand that there are a completely different set of rules related to broadcast TV and cable TV. Basically cable can get away with anything.

For example - whenever a NASCAR driver says the magic word and it is broadcast across the nation on Fox television stations - FOX has to pay a fine. When the same thing happens and the race is only available on cable channels, the network does not have to pay a fine - though any individual TV stations carrying the race may be individually fined.

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Quoting zckls04 (Reply 1):
He made a mistake, and it's not one he will make again. I'm a little bit surprised they can fire him for one swearword said by accident.

My first time on a live microphone was about six weeks before my 16th birthday. My first time in front of a live camera was when I was just over 17.

One thing made very clear to me before both - one wrong word - and my radio / TV career would be over.

I doubt that has changed for people new to the industry.

BTW - the most common mistake in broadcasting, one EVERYONE makes at one point is "This is Joe Smith for KZZZ Channel 4 News" but Joe Smith used to work for KZZZ Channel 4 a few months ago - now he is working for KYYY Channel 8. I once said "This is ______ for AFPN - the American Forces Philippine Network" I just happened to be in Lebanon at the time.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
It wasn't his employer's responsibility to make sure that he performed as a professional.

Radio and television stations do have a legal requirement to ensure such words are not said over the air. The station will be fined a few thousand dollars for the word being used in a live broadcast. It is a mandatory, no excuse, fine. The station is responsible for the behavior of anyone on the air.

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 1):
Who is really that shocked by the F-bomb these days?

You would be surprised. Maybe not shocked, but highly offended. He was also in a very small market with a very likely religiously conservative audience. The audience would likely never forgive him.


Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
AJ may very well recover from this with more rehearsals before the camera on his own and seek employment elsewhere.

This will be a mark against him. It will make it difficult for him to get an on-air job in most markets for a while. If he continues to pursue broadcasting as a career, he will get back somewhere.

His next job will not be live. Only on tape until he proves himself.

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Now - someone is going to post an example where some famous broadcaster slipped and dropped the F-bomb.

The reason they get away with it, after a public apology, probably a suspension, and reimbursing the station / network the fine - is that the network / station has a lot of money invested in that broadcaster. They have a loyal following which will forgive them. They don't want him/ her moving to another network.

This fellow's downfall is that the station has nothing invested in him, and he does not have a fan base.

[Edited 2013-04-25 18:43:07]

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9314 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days ago) and read 2498 times:

These are the stories which leave the average European open mouthed thinking "doesn't the USA have other problems?"

What he said is equal to the German "Sch..." word and a good number of newscasters have accidentally used that while on camera. Accidentally or not. No one was sacked.

I would have told the giuy to get his act together, but not for what he said obviously thinking that recording has not started yet.

As an "anchor man" phrases like "you know" should be a reason to get sacked instantly. And, did he actually say "thanks man" or was it Ma'm?

Either way, that's much more bad manners than using the F and S words.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12492 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2476 times:
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Seriously? Just why do so many Americans get bent out of shape about someone (accidentally) saying "fuck" on the TV or, heaven forbid, that we should see a bare nipple. Get a grip.   


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20534 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2465 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 5):
Radio and television stations do have a legal requirement to ensure such words are not said over the air.

That's what 5-second live delays are for.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 7):
why do so many Americans get bent out of shape about someone (accidentally) saying "fuck" on the TV

Explained above. It's an FCC requirement. Why do so many foreigners not read posts accurately before going on anti-American rants?



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9314 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

It's not anti-American. It is just an appeal to use common sense.

Get the FCC requirement changed, simple matter of legislation. The Universe will not collapse and people will not turn into a pillar of salt when the F or S words come up or nipples pop out.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20534 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 9):
Get the FCC requirement changed, simple matter of legislation.

To satisfy the Germans or the English? Why? You've your laws, we've ours. I don't necessarily agree with all of the FCC regulations, but to be honest, I'd much rather that the government chase after other more important problems than lead a national discussion on whether or not it's okay to see boobs on the TV.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9314 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

well, you have a national discussion about this guy now and I remember Ms. Jackson's ooops stirred a national discussion as well.

You can do what you want of course, but we can make as much fun about his stupid censorship as we like. And it#s not anti-American.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13554 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2434 times:
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Quoting PanHAM (Reply 6):
These are the stories which leave the average European open mouthed thinking "doesn't the USA have other problems?"

The U.S. government didn't fire him, a private for-profit business that is concerned with their customers being offended by their employee's behavior did.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20534 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2433 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 11):
And it#s not anti-American.

So using the bashing head against the wall after asking why specifically Americans get so upset over the issue isn't anti-American? I can guarantee you that if it was always why Germans this or why Germans that, it would start looking a bit anti-German done often enough.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9314 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 12):
The U.S. government didn't fire him,

The USA is not the US government. The USA is the US society and the society should have other problems than this petty stuff. His employer fired him because of this petty stuff, although, as I said, a newscaster should be able to form a sentence without "you know" . These two words are by far a better reason to fire repectively not to hire the guy in first place. I am sure he used them a couple of times in the job interview.

Such deterioration of language is worse than a F or S word.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 13):
So using the bashing head against the wall after asking why specifically Am

I did not use the bashing head and I always speak for myself and only for myself. I am still not anti American, even though you guys make that more and more difficult since 9/11 but I keep up my faith. Take it as friendly critical remarks.

Now, please don't shoot me.  



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20534 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 14):
I did not use the bashing head and I always speak for myself and only for myself. I am still not anti American

Never said you did. I think you're a bit confused about whom was being quoted.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9314 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 13):
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 11):
And it#s not anti-American.

So using the bashing head against the wall

Now I am confused



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20534 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 16):
Now I am confused

I had quoted reply 7. Don't you see what's there?



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9314 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

Well, whatever. A forum is made for discussions and discussions are interesting only when diufferent opinions are voiced.

If you want an in-bred thread make it "for Americans only" but bthat wpuld take the fun out of it.

I'd much rather get an opinion about that desastours "you know" and other down gradings of the US language. Is oit really impossibe for the majority of the population to form a single sentence without that ending? Shouldn't the FCC act?



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20534 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 18):
If you want an in-bred thread make it "for Americans only" but bthat wpuld take the fun out of it.

What are you going on about? You mistook who I had quoted, and now you want to make this into something it isn't. Just say "my bad" and be done with it.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25121 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2390 times:
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Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
I don't think canning him was too harsh. AJ obviously went to school, did demo reels, went through the interview process, and rehearsed on set prior to his first day before the cameras. It seems he arrived on set somewhat unprepared—how could he not be able to give a quick CV about himself or look at the right camera?—and looked very uncomfortable in his surroundings. This wasn't just stagefright.

  

That was my reaction.

No matter how many demo's and tests and auditions someone does, it is sometimes impossible to know how they will react to the reality of the live-to-air camera. Some folks ain't got it.

I was surprised that he had the job. Nice guy, cute as a button, but he seemed excessively nervous and not "at home" in front of the camera, nor in his later interview explaining what happened. He lacked any sense of ease or authority.

Even the cussing was odd. He knew he was imminently on air but he seemed completely discombobulated by what he was reading. Since one of the essentials of a good anchor is control under pressure - how they react to unexpected circumstances - one can only say that he failed that test, big time.

So I wonder if the cussing wasn't just a way for the management to correct what was looking to be the mistake of giving him the job - swear words or not.

mariner

[Edited 2013-04-26 02:58:53]


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9314 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

I said, "well whatever" and tried to continue the discussion on the topic, which is, "bad language".

IMHO "you know" in almost every sentence is much worse than an occasional F or S. I also invite native speakers to confirm how he adressed the young lady, did he really say "man" or was it "ma'm" ?



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20534 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 21):
I also invite native speakers to confirm how he adressed the young lady, did he really say "man" or was it "ma'm" ?

AJ addressed her as "Van", which is her name.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9314 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 22):
AJ addressed her as "Van", which is her name.

Thanks for the explanation, I am getting a little deaf, comes with age. But he really mumbles, which is really a good asset for a newscaster. Pity for him that F...g s...t always comes out loud and clear.  



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12492 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2352 times:
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Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
Why do so many foreigners not read posts accurately before going on anti-American rants?

You see, here's the difference. I say "why do so many Americans..." and you say "why do so many foreigners..." yet my post is somehow an anti-American rant. You might have a point if I'd said "All Americans are stupid for ...", but I didn't.

How does me asking a question about a proportion of Americans make me anti-American? If I was anti-American I wouldn't have just been on vacation there, would I? By that standard, me questioning the politics of Israel must make me an anti-semite.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 10):
to be honest, I'd much rather that the government chase after other more important problems than lead a national discussion on whether or not it's okay to see boobs on the TV.

Hence the    There are far bigger issues to deal with than some TV rookie inadvertently saying "fuck". Nobody died, but this poor sap lost his job.



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25 rfields5421 : Bismark ND is a small TV market. Just barely over 100,000 people in the service area of the TV station. He was on a low viewership program. He wasn't
26 Post contains images jagflyer : Why won't anyone think of the poor children who heard these two words in the span of one second! Don't you realize how much psycological damage will b
27 Post contains images txjim : Do you listen to The Ticket?
28 txjim : I don't see this issue as censorship as much as I see someone who is not competent to hold the position he had. Even small market stations demand pro
29 ual747den : You have to understand that any on air network job in the US is a very big deal, if you have it you beat out thousands of other people to get it. Thos
30 mariner : That's the point When he finally got to air, I don't think this guy was very good and (I don't think) destined for greater things. I've coached numer
31 rfields5421 : I did my last military radio in 1983, my last military TV in 1986, my last civilian radio as a guest about two years ago - my last civilian paid radi
32 zippyjet : I say give him a second chance. There are a heck of a lot worse things than saying explatives/deleteds on the air. I feel the strict censorship on the
33 Post contains images EA CO AS : Stop being ridiculous; US society didn't terminate him, a private employer did. See? Glad to know you finally get it.
34 PanHAM : If you quote me, please quote he full sentence. Otherwise your wise cracks fire back on you. Or should I add "you know" to my sentence so you can und
35 AeroWesty : Making the rounds lately is an e-mail from a sorority sister of Delta Gamma at the University of Maryland. Fair warning to delicate ears, it's the mos
36 cgnnrw : Well if I flip someone the middle finger (Stinkefinger) in Germany I can end up in court and get a hefty fine. What's the big deal??????? Remember th
37 AeroWesty : Thanks for bringing up an important point. Checking the flags of some of the posters, there seems to be a lot of condescension towards how provincial
38 KaiGywer : Haha, I don't think I've EVER watched the 5pm newscast. The thing is though, when the station first suspended him that same night, their Facebook pag
39 L0VE2FLY : This happened on his very first day as a news anchor. Does he really look like a seasoned broadcaster with years of experience?! Yes we do, but we ne
40 zippyjet : Maybe in a parallell universe! These days the PC Police are trying to get you for almost saying anything and it doesn't even have to be one of George
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