L0VE2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 389 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2248 times:
A.J. Clemente has been all over the news in the past few days, he was trending on Twitter shortly after his blunder and even made it to the TODAY show & The Late Show With David Letterman. Do you think his employer did the right thing by firing him? If you were his superior would you have done the same thing?
zckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1111 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2232 times:
I think it was very harsh. He made a mistake, and it's not one he will make again. I'm a little bit surprised they can fire him for one swearword said by accident.
If he'd have said it deliberately or if he had said something appallingly racist or sexist that might be one thing, but swearing? Who is really that shocked by the F-bomb these days? They could have had him apologize on a subsequent broadcast, then forgotten all about it.
The poll in the story agrees- 83% of people think the punishment was excessive.
If you're not sure whether to use a piece of punctuation, it's best not to.
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 64 Reply 2, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2167 times:
I've been watching this story develop over the past few days, and my opinion hasn't changed since I first read about it.
I don't think canning him was too harsh. AJ obviously went to school, did demo reels, went through the interview process, and rehearsed on set prior to his first day before the cameras. It seems he arrived on set somewhat unprepared—how could he not be able to give a quick CV about himself or look at the right camera?—and looked very uncomfortable in his surroundings. This wasn't just stagefright.
It wasn't his employer's responsibility to make sure that he performed as a professional. That was his. AJ may very well recover from this with more rehearsals before the camera on his own and seek employment elsewhere. If he makes it, he'll have one true Ted Baxter-style story to tell in another 25 years, that's for sure.
rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6806 posts, RR: 29 Reply 5, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2054 times:
First understand that there are a completely different set of rules related to broadcast TV and cable TV. Basically cable can get away with anything.
For example - whenever a NASCAR driver says the magic word and it is broadcast across the nation on Fox television stations - FOX has to pay a fine. When the same thing happens and the race is only available on cable channels, the network does not have to pay a fine - though any individual TV stations carrying the race may be individually fined.
Quoting zckls04 (Reply 1): He made a mistake, and it's not one he will make again. I'm a little bit surprised they can fire him for one swearword said by accident.
My first time on a live microphone was about six weeks before my 16th birthday. My first time in front of a live camera was when I was just over 17.
One thing made very clear to me before both - one wrong word - and my radio / TV career would be over.
I doubt that has changed for people new to the industry.
BTW - the most common mistake in broadcasting, one EVERYONE makes at one point is "This is Joe Smith for KZZZ Channel 4 News" but Joe Smith used to work for KZZZ Channel 4 a few months ago - now he is working for KYYY Channel 8. I once said "This is ______ for AFPN - the American Forces Philippine Network" I just happened to be in Lebanon at the time.
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2): It wasn't his employer's responsibility to make sure that he performed as a professional.
Radio and television stations do have a legal requirement to ensure such words are not said over the air. The station will be fined a few thousand dollars for the word being used in a live broadcast. It is a mandatory, no excuse, fine. The station is responsible for the behavior of anyone on the air.
Quoting zckls04 (Reply 1): Who is really that shocked by the F-bomb these days?
You would be surprised. Maybe not shocked, but highly offended. He was also in a very small market with a very likely religiously conservative audience. The audience would likely never forgive him.
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2): AJ may very well recover from this with more rehearsals before the camera on his own and seek employment elsewhere.
This will be a mark against him. It will make it difficult for him to get an on-air job in most markets for a while. If he continues to pursue broadcasting as a career, he will get back somewhere.
His next job will not be live. Only on tape until he proves himself.
Now - someone is going to post an example where some famous broadcaster slipped and dropped the F-bomb.
The reason they get away with it, after a public apology, probably a suspension, and reimbursing the station / network the fine - is that the network / station has a lot of money invested in that broadcaster. They have a loyal following which will forgive them. They don't want him/ her moving to another network.
This fellow's downfall is that the station has nothing invested in him, and he does not have a fan base.
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 64 Reply 10, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1910 times:
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 9): Get the FCC requirement changed, simple matter of legislation.
To satisfy the Germans or the English? Why? You've your laws, we've ours. I don't necessarily agree with all of the FCC regulations, but to be honest, I'd much rather that the government chase after other more important problems than lead a national discussion on whether or not it's okay to see boobs on the TV.
So using the bashing head against the wall after asking why specifically Americans get so upset over the issue isn't anti-American? I can guarantee you that if it was always why Germans this or why Germans that, it would start looking a bit anti-German done often enough.
The USA is not the US government. The USA is the US society and the society should have other problems than this petty stuff. His employer fired him because of this petty stuff, although, as I said, a newscaster should be able to form a sentence without "you know" . These two words are by far a better reason to fire repectively not to hire the guy in first place. I am sure he used them a couple of times in the job interview.
Such deterioration of language is worse than a F or S word.
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 13): So using the bashing head against the wall after asking why specifically Am
I did not use the bashing head and I always speak for myself and only for myself. I am still not anti American, even though you guys make that more and more difficult since 9/11 but I keep up my faith. Take it as friendly critical remarks.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8270 posts, RR: 26 Reply 18, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1863 times:
Well, whatever. A forum is made for discussions and discussions are interesting only when diufferent opinions are voiced.
If you want an in-bred thread make it "for Americans only" but bthat wpuld take the fun out of it.
I'd much rather get an opinion about that desastours "you know" and other down gradings of the US language. Is oit really impossibe for the majority of the population to form a single sentence without that ending? Shouldn't the FCC act?
mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 23861 posts, RR: 87 Reply 20, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1857 times:
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2): I don't think canning him was too harsh. AJ obviously went to school, did demo reels, went through the interview process, and rehearsed on set prior to his first day before the cameras. It seems he arrived on set somewhat unprepared—how could he not be able to give a quick CV about himself or look at the right camera?—and looked very uncomfortable in his surroundings. This wasn't just stagefright.
That was my reaction.
No matter how many demo's and tests and auditions someone does, it is sometimes impossible to know how they will react to the reality of the live-to-air camera. Some folks ain't got it.
I was surprised that he had the job. Nice guy, cute as a button, but he seemed excessively nervous and not "at home" in front of the camera, nor in his later interview explaining what happened. He lacked any sense of ease or authority.
Even the cussing was odd. He knew he was imminently on air but he seemed completely discombobulated by what he was reading. Since one of the essentials of a good anchor is control under pressure - how they react to unexpected circumstances - one can only say that he failed that test, big time.
So I wonder if the cussing wasn't just a way for the management to correct what was looking to be the mistake of giving him the job - swear words or not.
Thanks for the explanation, I am getting a little deaf, comes with age. But he really mumbles, which is really a good asset for a newscaster. Pity for him that F...g s...t always comes out loud and clear.
scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11786 posts, RR: 48 Reply 24, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1819 times:
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8): Why do so many foreigners not read posts accurately before going on anti-American rants?
You see, here's the difference. I say "why do so many Americans..." and you say "why do so many foreigners..." yet my post is somehow an anti-American rant. You might have a point if I'd said "All Americans are stupid for ...", but I didn't.
How does me asking a question about a proportion of Americans make me anti-American? If I was anti-American I wouldn't have just been on vacation there, would I? By that standard, me questioning the politics of Israel must make me an anti-semite.
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 10): to be honest, I'd much rather that the government chase after other more important problems than lead a national discussion on whether or not it's okay to see boobs on the TV.
Hence the There are far bigger issues to deal with than some TV rookie inadvertently saying "fuck". Nobody died, but this poor sap lost his job.
Four more years!
25 rfields5421: Bismark ND is a small TV market. Just barely over 100,000 people in the service area of the TV station. He was on a low viewership program. He wasn't
26 jagflyer: Why won't anyone think of the poor children who heard these two words in the span of one second! Don't you realize how much psycological damage will b