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New British £5 Note Announced With A New Face On.  
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27306 posts, RR: 60
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

I have to say I like it. A historic figure with a nice design.


http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/MISC/26_churchill_BofE_w_LRG_zps9fafcb46.jpg


LONDON -- Here's a choice not likely to be too controversial: officials say wartime Prime Minister Winston Churchill's portrait will be featured on a new 5-pound note.
Bank of England Governor Mervyn King made the announced Friday at Chartwell, Churchill's former home, surrounded by members of the late leader's family.
King called Churchill "a truly great British leader, orator and writer."
The bank says the note is likely to be issued in 2016. It will be based on a famous portrait photographed by Yousuf Karsh in Ottawa in 1941.
The note will also bear Churchill's wartime declaration that he has "nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat."


www.ctvnews.ca/world/winston-churchi...pound-note-1.1254923#ixzz2RatP5S45

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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3875 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

I'd rather have John Simon Ritchie or John Lydon on the 5-pound note.


Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineRomeoBravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

I don't really like overtly celebrating MPs nor war heroes.

I would prefer to see a great mind or humanitarian person. Newton or Shakespeare or someone like that.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8470 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

I believe that Churchill is a great choice. Well known around the world (or at least in the US) and an extraordinary individual.

He also IMO demonstrates the stability of the UK and the British Pound.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6925 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

Well I'm not British so I can't really comment on the choice of the man, but I find the picture is not the best choice, he looks like a bulldog. His head should be facing us or looking right or left but in the distance, not down like that.


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User currently onlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8951 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 4):
he looks like a bulldog

He WAS a bulldog.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 4):
His head should be facing us or looking right or left but in the distance, not down like that.

That was one of his most famous portraits. The photographer grabbed Churchill's cigar from his mouth and took the picture just as the PM turned to glare at him.

http://petapixel.com/2013/03/08/in-h...ill-is-scowling-over-a-lost-cigar/



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4534 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 2):
I would prefer to see a great mind or humanitarian person. Newton or Shakespeare or someone like that.

They have both already adorned British banknotes. Isaac Newton on the GBP 1,- note - I remember it well    - and William Shakespeare on the GBP 20,- note.



Youth is a gift of nature. Age is a work of art.
User currently offlineRomeoBravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3337 times:

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 6):
They have both already adorned British banknotes.

Yes i've since learnt this.

Perhaps Brunel.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 6):
and William Shakespeare on the GBP 20,- note.

Numbers and Shakespeare don't mix.. Glad the current GBP 20 note features Adam Smith  


And while I'm looking at the GBP 5 note, I have no idea who's on the back of that. At leat Churchill is known.



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User currently onlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2760 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

I always thought British (and all Commonwealth) currency was sposedta bear the likeness of the reigning monarch.

(Which is Queen Elizabeth II, see.)



Pancakes are delicious.
User currently offlineRomeoBravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3297 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 9):
I always thought British (and all Commonwealth) currency was sposedta bear the likeness of the reigning monarch.

They do... on the other side.


User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

An apropos choice, I say, bearing the likeness of one of the great free world leaders instrumental in securing (measurably for that time, anyway) an end to a world war and the installation of a freer international society.

Personally, I would like Sir Winston's portrait better WITH the trademark cigar. best regards...jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineDNDTUF From France, joined Feb 2012, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

I'm rather against this. I don't like the idea of celebrating a political figure on banknotes - not least a man who was a lousy PM outside of wartime. Churchill is far down the list of people who should be on Bank of England notes.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 11):
Personally, I would like Sir Winston's portrait better WITH the trademark cigar.

I don't disagree, but that would never happen, especially in Europe. I saw a promotional video from Porsche a few weeks ago and all the alcohol and tobacco sponsor logos were blurred out, so the Martini livery changed a bit. It looked so stupid to have pit crew members walking around with big blurs on their backs.

Quoting DNDTUF (Reply 12):
I don't like the idea of celebrating a political figure on banknotes - not least a man who was a lousy PM outside of wartime.

Didn't stop the US from putting FDR on the dime.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 10):
Airstud (Reply 9):I always thought British (and all Commonwealth) currency was sposedta bear the likeness of the reigning monarch.
They do... on the other side.

In the UK maybe, but not so in all Commonwealth countries. In Australia, only the $5 note bears a likeness of the Queen. The other notes have portraits of:
$10 - AB 'Banjo' Paterson & Dame Mary Gilmore;
$20 - Mary Reibey & Reverend John Flynn (of Royal Flying Doctor fame)
$50 - David Unaipon & Edith Cowan
$100 - Dame Nellie Melba & General Sir John Monash


User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7819 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3181 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 9):
I always thought British (and all Commonwealth) currency was sposedta bear the likeness of the reigning monarch.

Not in NZ either we have:

$5 Sir Edmund Hilary
$10 Kate Sheppard
$20 Elizabeth II, Queen of New Zealand
$50 Sir Apirana Ngata
$100 Lord Rutherford of Nelson


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 2):
I don't really like overtly celebrating MPs nor war heroes.

I would prefer to see a great mind or humanitarian person. Newton or Shakespeare or someone like that.

I am also against war heroes on bank notes, but Churchill saved the Nation, and perhaps more. For some time Churchill´s Britain stood alone against what was probably the most brutal and effective war machine ever. The banknote looks good, much better than our Euro at least.

That said, yes, I agree I´d sttill rather see Shakespeare or Newton on it, or Brunel. But best, still, the Queen.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

Quoting na (Reply 16):
But best, still, the Queen.

The Queen already sits on the front side of the note. There's no need for her to be on the back as well.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7819 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3088 times:

Quoting na (Reply 16):
I am also against war heroes on bank notes, but Churchill saved the Nation, and perhaps more.

Thinking of German war hero's which one would you choose, Michael Wittmann, Rudoplh Galland, Erich Hartmann, Otto Skorzeny or Otto Kretschmer? I'd probably go with Wittmann or Skorzeny.

I'd have no problem if the NZ govt put Charles Upham on a bank note, as the most decorated Commonwealth (maybe even allied) soldier of WW2 I think he earned it.


User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3077 times:

I think Churchill is a good choice, surely better choice than adding more boring monarchs.


"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

Churchill a war hero?

The Gallipoli Campaign comes into my mind. Hundred thousands of casualties were a consequence of his arrogant misjudgement of the power of the Ottoman forces in this foolish campaign.

And at WWII he just was there at the right time, but what were his merits? I thing nearly everybody in such a position could have done what he've done.

[Edited 2013-04-27 07:33:18]

[Edited 2013-04-27 07:50:54]


Wer nichts weiss muss alles glauben
User currently offlinenighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 9):
I always thought British (and all Commonwealth) currency was sposedta bear the likeness of the reigning monarch.

(Which is Queen Elizabeth II, see.)

Scottish money doesn't feature the Queen. All bank notes issued by the Bank Of England do, however.



That'll teach you
User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1844 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 9):
I always thought British (and all Commonwealth) currency was sposedta bear the likeness of the reigning monarch.

Also not true for Canada. The Queen is featured only on the $20 bill, and all our coins.

$5 - Sir Wilfred Laurier
$10 - Sir John A. MacDonald
$20 - Queen Elizabeth II
$50 - William Lyon MacKenzie King
$100 - Sir Robert Borden

Unlike countries like the UK, all the figures on our notes except the Queen are former Prime Ministers. Does anyone know if Canada featured anyone else on our notes historically? I have a feeling that before these individuals we only had the King/Queen of the day on our money.

Quoting DNDTUF (Reply 12):
I'm rather against this. I don't like the idea of celebrating a political figure on banknotes - not least a man who was a lousy PM outside of wartime. Churchill is far down the list of people who should be on Bank of England notes.

Perhaps you'd prefer Ms. Thatcher?


User currently offlineN867DA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

The world seems to be smitten for retro designs and products now. Every airline seems to have planes with vintage color schemes, Pepsi made Pepsi Throwback permanent, and now even currencies are fair game! Heck, I love this old time stuff too, bring it on!  


A nation turns its lonely eyes to you
User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13252 posts, RR: 77
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 19):
I think Churchill is a good choice, surely better choice than adding more boring monarchs.

Cannot help it can you? The Monarch, our head of state, whose job is to perform that role boring or otherwise, is on all Bank Of England Notes. Basic facts, already explained here.
What about yours? Sometime Nazi collaborator Mannheim? Got the X-Factor on the TV there, one of those?

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 20):
Churchill a war hero?

The Gallipoli Campaign comes into my mind. Hundred thousands of casualties were a consequence of his arrogant misjudgement of the power of the Ottoman forces in this foolish campaign.

And at WWII he just was there at the right time, but what were his merits? I thing nearly everybody in such a position could have done what he've done.

Churchill was not solely responsible for Gallipoli, it was poorly executed and also perhaps, yet another instance of the military tactics of WW1, on both sides, being behind the technology.
Nonetheless, he took the rap, re-joined the army as an officer and made sure he was posted on the front lines in France, he narrowly escaped death more than once while there.

Prior to that he had fought in Africa before going into politics, where he showed considerable bravery, it was, after all, one of his many famous sayings that 'there is nothing as exciting as being shot at, so long as you are not hit!'

His merits were that he united a nation in it's darkest hour, for a time his was the only voice of defiance against Hitler, he brought a sense of determination to the war lacking prior to that.
He refused to leave London at the height of the Blitz, in fact his staff were driven to distraction by his going out on to the roof to watch the air raids.

His was a real coalition, of all parties. He made mistakes, but was right on the big, fundamental issues. He had a never ending stream of ideas, some impractical but others not. He could be stubborn and imperious, still, ultimately, he listened to his military advisers. Which is something that most dictators stop doing, including Hitler.

Prior to WW2, his had also been an almost lone voice against the rise of Fascism, Nazism, he got the measure of Hitler, before he was even voted into power in Germany.
But most did not listen, until it was almost too late, one of the reasons they gave is one one you cited about Gallipoli.


User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7819 posts, RR: 5
Reply 25, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 20):
Churchill a war hero?

He was a soldier in the Boer War and was nearly awarded a VC, he also escaped capture and travelled over 300km through enemy territory to safety, so I'd say he was a hero.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 63
Reply 26, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

Baack in 1940, after Chamberlain´s resignation, the alternative to Churchill would have been Lord Halifax. Lord Halifax would not have stood up to the Nazis, quite the opposite, since he sympathised with many of their goals. He would have signed a peace agreement, which would have given Britain her colonial empire, in return to the Nazi´s free reign on the continent.

Jan


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Reply 27, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2796 times:

Churchill also took part in just about the last cavalry charge in history - by the British 21st. Lancers, at Omdurman in the Sudan in 1898. Ironically, he'd had a dislocated shoulder and couldn't actually use a sword very effectively; so he relied on his automatic pistol instead!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6UmKsqz6aQ



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7819 posts, RR: 5
Reply 28, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 27):
Churchill also took part in just about the last cavalry charge in history

That was far from the last, there were many cavalry charges during WW1, including the Battle of Beersheba by the Australian Light Horse, officially the last major charge was by the Italians on the 23rd August 1942 when 600 Italian lancers charged 2000 Soviet troops during the Axis invasion of the Soviet Union. It was a success as well. The last charge by US cavalry was in January 1942 in the Philippines.


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Reply 29, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

I was careful to write 'just about,' kiwirob.  

However, hopefully, between us all, we've convinced people like old european that Churchill (unlike most politicians of the time)

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 20):
Churchill a war hero?

had definitely had a considerable amount of experience 'at the sharp end' in his time?



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 30, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2676 times:

Others worth of being on their currency.

Benny Hill
Sir Richard Branson
Sir Paul McCartney
Margaret Thatcher
George Alan O'Dowd



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 31, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 18):
Thinking of German war hero's which one would you choose, Michael Wittmann, Rudoplh Galland, Erich Hartmann, Otto Skorzeny or Otto Kretschmer? I'd probably go with Wittmann or Skorzeny.

You are joking right, even if mentioning Galland and Hartmann doesnt make that clear? Certainly none of them, anyone from the Nazi times is more or less discredited. Skorzeny, good god, what an awful Nazi.

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 20):
The Gallipoli Campaign comes into my mind. Hundred thousands of casualties were a consequence of his arrogant misjudgement of the power of the Ottoman forces in this foolish campaign.

That was WWI, and he was young. Surely a mistake, but he wasnt the general on the spot who bugged it. He was the political head behind it.

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 20):
And at WWII he just was there at the right time, but what were his merits? I thing nearly everybody in such a position could have done what he've done.

I very much doubt that.

Quoting GDB (Reply 24):

  


User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7819 posts, RR: 5
Reply 32, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

Quoting na (Reply 31):
You are joking right, even if mentioning Galland and Hartmann doesnt make that clear? Certainly none of them, anyone from the Nazi times is more or less discredited. Skorzeny, good god, what an awful Nazi.

IMO a hero is a hero it doesn't matter what side they are on, doing brave things is all the same even if you loose.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 33, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 32):
IMO a hero is a hero it doesn't matter what side they are on, doing brave things is all the same even if you loose.

A hero – if one is to use that designation at all – is someone who puts other people's wellbeing above his or her own safety under duress in an exceptional way.

Heroism doesn't just require courage but it also requires compassion and a special humanitarian effort.

Even some of the biggest villains can be courageous, but when they put that courage merely in the service of their own interests or behind a cruel and cynical ideology, they are most certainly no heroes.

Many people who served the nazi regime were courageous, but far too few actually put compassion and humanity front and center and were actual heroes (and many if not most of those were murdered by the regime).


User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 34, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2506 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 33):
A hero – if one is to use that designation at all – is someone who puts other people's wellbeing above his or her own safety under duress in an exceptional way.

This is only one definition of the word and is of relatively recent adoption. In classical terms it simply meant a being of extraordinary strength and courage, often the offspring of a mortal and a god, who is celebrated for his exploits. The heroes of antiquity weren't celebrated for helping old ladies cross the road, any more than today's heroes on the football ground.  

But as Berthold Brecht once commented: "Unhappy the land that is in need of heroes."


User currently offlineandz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8463 posts, RR: 10
Reply 35, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2348 times:
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The new South African banknotes have Nelson Mandela on them and one of each of the African Big Five on the other side.

http://banknotes.resbank.co.za/banknotes



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 36, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Quoting andz (Reply 35):
The new South African banknotes have Nelson Mandela on them and one of each of the African Big Five on the other side.

Very nice!


User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 37, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

Like many I would prefer to see someone like a great inventor or writer on there. We don't need to see politicians on our banknotes, we are not that type of nation. Just wait for the Mrs Thatcher note one day. No thank you.

On the subject of money the UK should stop producing £50 notes. There isn't a shop in England that will take one. Banks will only take it if you have an account at their branch. Maybe a new £50 with Mrs Thatcher on it would be appropriate.


User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7819 posts, RR: 5
Reply 38, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 37):
There isn't a shop in England that will take one.

I had a few in February when I was in Edinburgh, didn't have a problem spending them.

I'm sure you'll start seeing a lot more of them in circulation eventually, larger denomination bank notes save a lot of wear and tear on ATM machines, the fewer notes they dispense the less maintenance they require, ATM's don't need replenishing as often as well..

[Edited 2013-05-05 12:24:49]

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 39, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 37):
On the subject of money the UK should stop producing £50 notes. There isn't a shop in England that will take one. Banks will only take it if you have an account at their branch.

Most places in the US take $50 bills, but production of the $100 notes is nearly always greater than $50 notes.



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Reply 40, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 37):
On the subject of money the UK should stop producing £50 notes. There isn't a shop in England that will take one.

Why on earth is that, babybus? Surely the notes are 'legal tender' like any other banknote?



"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards.." - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7819 posts, RR: 5
Reply 41, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2094 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 40):

Why on earth is that, babybus? Surely the notes are 'legal tender' like any other banknote?

It's also not true, there are plenty of places (especially those that get a lot of tourists) that have no problem accepting 50 pound notes.


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