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F1 2013: Spanish Grand Prix  
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2812 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2015 times:

Formula 1 is back after a long break since Bahrain. This is the first European GP of the year. This is also the beginning of a cycle between Circuit de Catalunya and Circuit de Valencia to share the Spanish GP for the upcoming years, in the same fashion as Hockenheim/Nürburgring.


Circuit de Catalunya

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Lap data

Lap length: 4.655 km
Race laps: 66
Race distance: 307.104 km
Pole position: Left-hand side of the track
Race lap record: 1’21.670 (205.192 kph) by Kimi Raikkonen, 2008
Fastest lap: 1’19.954 (209.596 kph) by Rubens Barrichello, 2009
Maximum speed (2011): 330.1 kph by Sergio Perez, Sauber
DRS zone/s (race): Pit straight


Car performance

Full throttle: 56%
Downforce level: High
Gear changes per lap: 40
Fuel use per lap: 2.2 kg


Championship standings

1 - Sebastian Vettel 77
2 - Kimi Räikkönen 67
3 - Lewis Hamilton 50
4 - Fernando Alonso 47
5 - Mark Webber 32
6 - Felipe Massa 30
7 - Romain Grosjean 26
8 - Paul di Resta 20
9 - Nico Rosberg 14
10 - Jenson Button 13
11 - Sergio Perez 10
12 - Adrian Sutil 6
13 - Daniel Ricciardo 6
14 - Nico Hülkenberg 5
15 - Jean-Éric Vergne 1
16 - Valtteri Bottas 0
17 - Pastor Maldonado 0
18 - Esteban Gutiérrez 0
19 - Jules Bianchi 0
20 - Charles Pic 0
21 - Giedo van der Garde 0
22 - Max Chilton 0


1 - Red Bull / Renault 109
2 - Lotus / Renault 93
3 - Ferrari 77
4 - Mercedes 64
5 - Force India / Mercedes 26
6 - McLaren / Mercedes 23
7 - Toro Rosso / Ferrari 7
6 - Sauber / Ferrari 5
9 - Williams / Renault 0
10 - Marussia / Cosworth 0
11 - Caterham / Renault 0


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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2007 times:

Also, and before we move on with the actual Spanish GP talks, I would like to remind you that 31 years ago today, Gilles Villeneuve died in Zolder.

http://silodrome.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Gilles-Villeneuve.jpeg

Gilles rules for turning:

- If Gilles is steering right, it's a left curve
- If Gilles is steering left, it's a right curve

(copyrights of the text: Eric Gilbert)



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1993 times:
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 1):
Also, and before we move on with the actual Spanish GP talks, I would like to remind you that 31 years ago today, Gilles Villeneuve died in Zolder.

Yes, shame. I'm a big fan of Jacques Villeneuve, so I naturally wanted to read up about his legendary father. I wasn't even one year old back when Gilles Villeneuve was fatally wounded in that crash, but I would've loved to have seen him race. I think he was the best driver never to have won a championship. I wonder what would have been had he not died, how many championships he might have won, and what it would've been like to see the veteran Gilles Villeneuve go wheel to wheel against a brash, young Ayrton Senna in the mid to late 1980s.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 2):
I wonder what would have been had he not died, how many championships he might have won

I was asking myself the same question, but it's almost impossible to guess what could have happened. Maybe he could have won one (he almost did in 1979), especially because Ferrari was on top of the game at the time he died. But since he was always racing with his heart and not enough with his head, I'm not sure if he would have got more than one. I mean, he was too much on the edge all the time. His ardour cost him some races.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 2):
I think he was the best driver never to have won a championship

Stirling Moss is also one.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 2):
what it would've been like to see the veteran Gilles Villeneuve go wheel to wheel against a brash, young Ayrton Senna in the mid to late 1980s.

It would have been fun  



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1957 times:
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 3):
Stirling Moss is also one.

Considered by many to be the best in that category - 2nd (once by a single point after helping the man who beat him to avoid disqualification in a race!) in four consecutive championships (1955-58), then 3rd in the next three!



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User currently offlinethesultanofwing From El Salvador, joined Dec 2012, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1877 times:

Alonso unfortunately found himself in a little spot of bother......he damaged the 6.000 euro camera of a photographer that came too close to him and his girlfriend.....OOPS!
Feeling the pressure of a Home GP a little, Fernando?

Apparently the photographer wants a new camera (lens?)!!

(Sorry, no source......just heard it)

[Edited 2013-05-10 07:15:29]


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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5688 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1809 times:
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Quoting Autosport:
McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh rules out resigning over team's form

Perhaps but they maybe should have some 2nd thoughts about hiring the Aussie that destroyed Williams!!



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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8442 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 6):
Perhaps but they maybe should have some 2nd thoughts about hiring the Aussie that destroyed Williams!!

Apparently he's viewed as Whitmarsh's successor.


User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5688 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1753 times:
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Quoting bill142 (Reply 7):
Apparently he's viewed as Whitmarsh's successor.

I know and I don't quite understand why.

Don't get me wrong I think (and it is only from what I have read) Sam is a brilliant engineer, sadly not all brilliant engineers are suited to be technical directors of something as complex as an F1 team, perhaps less so a team pricipal!

He fell on his sword at Williams, will it happen again at McLaren?



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6591 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

I predict the Mercedes will limp for half the race and end up in the low points if not worse, as usual. It's a shame really.

For the podium the pilots that already got one this year are the ones that can clinch one more, but for the order I will not make any prediction, it's too much of a gamble !



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

The race was ok-ish. Congratulations to Alonso, he's been quite impressive.

Kimi 2nd - again. But at least he is consistent and consistency might be the key to win this championship. A shame for Lotus that Grosjean could not finish the race (how come it is always him who has problems and never Kimi?). They've dropped one place in the WCC as a consequence.

The Mercs can have the speed in qualifications, but it looks like they are not handling their tyres properly. I guess they know where to focus with the development of the car. It must be quite frustrating for Rosberg and Hamilton to perform so well in qualys and be completely powerless during the race.

Good race from Massa (at last). His first podium of the year willl hopefully boost his morale.

Otherwise, it's been a quiet GP.



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7250 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1638 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 2):
I wonder what would have been had he not died, how many championships he might have won

None, I don't think he was actually capable enough to string together a championship run, he had mad flashes of brilliance linked together by lots of stupid, he could drive the wheels of a car but couldn't drive sensibly enough to bring it home, he was never going to win, in fact I think the only reason why he's celebrated is due to the nature of his death. Had he lived I doubt many would remember him.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10677 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1607 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 10):
The race was ok-ish. Congratulations to Alonso, he's been quite impressive.

Agreed. I am happy about the race result, it was the first GP I have seen this year and the 4 men, later 3 men fight at the top was entertaining though pretty much predictable after mid-race.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 1):
Also, and before we move on with the actual Spanish GP talks, I would like to remind you that 31 years ago today, Gilles Villeneuve died in Zolder.

Thanks for remembering. I must be old. Gilles was my favourite driver around 1980 and his death really shocked me like no driver´s death before or after. He was a great driver, an absolute entertainer, but modest and somewhat simple, singleminded, a family man, and much more sympathetic than his son. Gilles was probably the sportsman I was most fond of. If he would not have died in 1982, he would likely have been champion that year, the Ferrari was almost unbeatable then.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 2):
but I would've loved to have seen him race. I think he was the best driver never to have won a championship.

I saw three GPs with him live at the track, and two of them were among the most crazy races he performed. Zandvoort 1979 when he led the race and his tyre exploded and he performed one of the craziest laps a driver ever drove - on 3 wheels, completely damaging the suspension. I was so sad. Zandvoort 1981, when he overtook half of the grid at the start - by flying above them! He crashed into the fence directly in front of me. I was so sad. Gilles really stirred emotions, his career was like a rollercoaster between genius and disastrous, and he was without a doubt the most spectacular driver I can remember in the almost 40 years I have been a F1 fan.


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1536 times:
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 10):
The race was ok-ish.

I thought it was quite boring, to be honest. Barcelona is one of the worst tracks for overtaking, as is Monaco which is coming up next. But at least Monaco has an atmosphere about it.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 11):
None, I don't think he was actually capable enough to string together a championship run, he had mad flashes of brilliance linked together by lots of stupid, he could drive the wheels of a car but couldn't drive sensibly enough to bring it home

I have also read that Villeneuve tends to drive the wheels off everything he gets into, including the rental car in which he famously (or infamously) gave a lift to a fellow driver (can't remember who off hand) and proceded to drive like he stole it, burning the clutch in the process. But what that shows is his amazing ability to control the car. He has natural talent and raw speed in spades. I believe that given a competitive car, he would be able to walk away with the championship.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 11):
Had he lived I doubt many would remember him.

I would disagree with that. The Tifosi, at least, loved him to bits.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 11):
I think the only reason why he's celebrated is due to the nature of his death. Had he lived I doubt many would remember him.

You just can't be serious saying this?   

Quoting na (Reply 12):
If he would not have died in 1982, he would likely have been champion that year, the Ferrari was almost unbeatable then.

I'm not too sure if he would have won in 1982. He had a bad season start, with only a 2nd place for best result, 2 DNFs and one DSQ. But then, anything could have happened afterwards. Only God knows!

Quoting na (Reply 12):
I saw three GPs with him live at the track, and two of them were among the most crazy races he performed. Zandvoort 1979 when he led the race and his tyre exploded and he performed one of the craziest laps a driver ever drove - on 3 wheels, completely damaging the suspension. I was so sad. Zandvoort 1981, when he overtook half of the grid at the start - by flying above them! He crashed into the fence directly in front of me. I was so sad. Gilles really stirred emotions, his career was like a rollercoaster between genius and disastrous, and he was without a doubt the most spectacular driver I can remember in the almost 40 years I have been a F1 fan.

Thanks for the anecdotes. I believe you pinpointed exactly the feelings we had about him when you said he stirred emotions. When you see someone like that driving, it was so much more entertaining than the current robots we're looking at.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 13):
But at least Monaco has an atmosphere about it.

Yes, I love Monaco for the atmosphere, the French riviera, the nice sunshine and big yachts. It's true I don't watch this race for the overtakes, because there are non-existent, but I'm watching it because I'm always amazed at how fast these guys can drive in these narrow streets. It takes a lot of courage, more than in any other race.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 13):
I thought it was quite boring,

I agree. The "ok-ish" was just me being polite  . There has been a few interesting battles and overtakes, but nothing really outstanding. At least compared to the previous races this season.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 13):
The Tifosi, at least, loved him to bits.

The Tifosi and the F1 fans in general. We loved him because he was invested at 110% in every race. "Never give up" was probably his motto!



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5688 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1478 times:
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McLaren have announced they will have Honda power from 2015 rebooting one of the more succesful engine supplier /constructor partnerships in F1.

Interesting to see how the McLaren/Mercedes relationship plays out over the next 1 3/4 seasons!!



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10677 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 14):
'm not too sure if he would have won in 1982. He had a bad season start, with only a 2nd place for best result, 2 DNFs and one DSQ. But then, anything could have happened afterwards. Only God knows!

That year, 1982, Ferrari had the best car, speedwise. It was either Villeneuve or the perhaps more stable Pironi who should have won the title that year. But the first died, and the Frenchman had a severe accident. I can clearly remember that, because I was a marshal at the ´82 German GP when championship-leading Pironi crashed during final practise. The second Ferrari driver, Villeneuve´s replacement Tambay, won. I have a great number of photographs from that race, and also the pits and the Ferrari box. Only because of the extreme bad luck of its two top drivers Ferrari didnt win that year and Rosberg "inherited" the title rather undeservedly in goalhanger style after winning just one (!) race. Pironi, who ended his Career in Germany, missed 5 races and still ended up 2nd in the Championship! Ferrari won the constructors title. That says a lot.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1443 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 15):
McLaren have announced they will have Honda power from 2015 rebooting one of the more succesful engine supplier /constructor partnerships in F1.

Nice! Now will the McLaren stay in silver or will they adopt a red/white livery in the same fashion as Lotus adopted the black and gold colours of JPS?  

I also read that this partnership is not exclusive and that Honda might power other teams.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 15):
Interesting to see how the McLaren/Mercedes relationship plays out over the next 1 3/4 seasons!!

I'm sure it will be fine.

Quoting na (Reply 16):
That says a lot.

Indeed  



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