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Lauryn Hill Goes To Prison For Unpaid Taxes  
User currently offlineaaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

Oh man, you can't make this stuff up sometimes.

Grammy-winning singer Lauryn Hill stood in federal court Monday and compared her experience in the music business to the slavery her ancestors endured before a judge sentenced her to three months in prison for failing to pay about $1 million in taxes over the past decade.

"I am a child of former slaves who had a system imposed on them," Hill said before U.S. Magistrate Madeline Cox Arleo. "I had an economic system imposed on me."


They forced me to become a millionaire recording artist! My wealth was imposed on me!

"Over-commercialization and its resulting restrictions and limitations can be very damaging and distorting to the inherent nature of the individual," Hill wrote.

A valid point Ms. Hill, but it didn't stop you from taking the money, did it?

Fascinating.

http://music.yahoo.com/news/lauryn-h...s-failing-pay-taxes-212157430.html


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

Will her next album be titled; 'The Mis-management Of Lauryn Hill'?

Sounds like she was part of the wealthiest 1% that didn't pay her 'fair-share'....



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User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

Lauryn Hill has been nuts for years. My amateur diagnosis is a paranoid schizo with delusional tendencies. She lost me when she tried to make her own mother call her Ms. Hill. Hopefully, she will get the treatment she needs in prison.

User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13116 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Ms. Hill had a clear record of income from the record companies that is reported to the IRS and compares to what she reports, they found out she was not reporting all of that income. She just tried to use the same card too many rich persons use, to avoid by any means necessary to pay any more in taxes than they want to. I just wish the IRS would go after the really big tax dodgers and put them in jail too, and for a lot longer.

User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7704 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2108 times:
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Oh my goodness.....what an incredibly deluded and, frankly, bizarre assessment she made of the situation there. Your ancestors were slaves......then you got extremely rich, and didn't pay your taxes?? Oh my, poor little you!


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2088 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 2):
Hopefully, she will get the treatment she needs in prison.

You can't treat this sort of craziness. She's just a plain fool and that's it.
All she will do is sit around, read, write songs and have more time to think of something else crazy to write about. She may be in good company as a lot of her fans from her heyday are probably in jail now too.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
I just wish the IRS would go after the really big tax dodgers and put them in jail too, and for a lot longer.

Why? That won't solve anything. I wish the IRS went to a simple 10% flat-tax that is easy for everyone to understand. If the IRS enforced every tax law on the books, just about US citizen would be locked up in jail and the government would still be in debt. There are over 71,684 pages to the US tax code as of 2010. A case can be made to make every last one of us a criminal.
Although this isn't the case for Lauryn Hill who deliberately avoided paying taxes, I just had to call out that statement you made.

Perhaps this can be a lesson for all of those that like to berate the "rich" fat cats that do not pay their "fair-share". Lauryn Hill wasn't always rich and she hasn't been for a few years and probably wont ever be one again. Most millionaires are millionaires for a short period of time. Your average millionaire today wasn't a millionaire 10 years ago and probably wont be a millionaire 10 years from now. Going after the Lauryn Hills of America wont solve our debt crisis.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

They say two things in life are certain: death and taxes. It doesn't matter who you are, they're both pretty easy to accomplish if you put an ounce of effort into it. I don't feel bad for a wealthy person that can't take a small chunk out of their millions to hire an accountant.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
You can't treat this sort of craziness.

I don't even think she's crazy, just a spoiled brat. You see the same thing in lottery winners. They go from rags to riches and out of nowhere they get this huge sense of entitlement.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
If the IRS enforced every tax law on the books, just about US citizen would be locked up in jail and the government would still be in debt.

   I have a few good friends that are tax accountants for 3 of The Big Four, and they all tell me about crazy, buried tax laws that I likely break on at least a weekly basis. But even though my friends live and die by the tax code (since it's their job), they tell me not to sweat it, since for a large number of the laws it is almost impossible to prove that someone has broken them.



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10037 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2006 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
Will her next album be titled; 'The Mis-management Of Lauryn Hill'?

Ha, I chuckled.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 2):
Lauryn Hill has been nuts for years.

  

What an example she must be setting for her (5? 6? up to 14 now?) kids.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6672 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

Well I'm sure many people live off her so in a way she's a slave, but this has nothing to do with taxes.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
I wish the IRS went to a simple 10% flat-tax that is easy for everyone to understand.

Easy to understand is one thing, easy to pay another. And I'm not sure 10% would be enough.



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5697 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1928 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
Going after the Lauryn Hills of America wont solve our debt crisis.

It isn't about solving the debt crisis, it is about an entitled but seemingly delusional individual answering for the laws she broke.



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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6105 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1923 times:
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Quoting aaron747 (Thread starter):
They forced me to become a millionaire recording artist! My wealth was imposed on me!

How stupid! Nobody made her a recording artist. She chose that occupation. Nobody put a gun to her head and made her sing.

Quoting aaron747 (Thread starter):
"I am a child of former slaves who had a system imposed on them

Her parents were slaves? I read that her parents were a school teacher and a computer programmer.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 6):
I don't even think she's crazy, just a spoiled brat

I agree. She's just mad that so much of her income is taxed. I don't like it either. Every time I see my paycheck stub, and see how much I actually earn and how much I actually get. I get pissed off.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7704 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1901 times:
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Quoting falstaff (Reply 10):
Her parents were slaves? I read that her parents were a school teacher and a computer programmer.

Ah well, let's not let that get in the way of a fine opportunity to pull the slave card....



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User currently offlinearmitageshanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3625 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
She just tried to use the same card too many rich persons use, to avoid by any means necessary to pay any more in taxes than they want to.

Isn't this what everyone does? Do you have any deductions? I'm not "rich" but I try and squeeze as much refund/deductions from my taxes as possible.


User currently offlineRomeoBravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

She is correct to point out that tax is slavery.

She probably should have got a better accountant though.


User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1929 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1858 times:

Quoting armitageshanks (Reply 12):
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
She just tried to use the same card too many rich persons use, to avoid by any means necessary to pay any more in taxes than they want to.

Isn't this what everyone does? Do you have any deductions? I'm not "rich" but I try and squeeze as much refund/deductions from my taxes as possible.

  

It's always everyone else who's selfish and never ourselves when it comes to taxes.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7704 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1851 times:
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Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 13):
She is correct to point out that tax is slavery.

Heh, that's an interesting observation. Is there a better proposal for funding all the infrastructire we desire and need in a modern society?



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User currently offlineRomeoBravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1837 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 15):
Heh, that's an interesting observation. Is there a better proposal for funding all the infrastructire we desire and need in a modern society?

It's a very accurate observation at least for taxes on production (Income tax etc)

Infrastructure doesn't need to be tax funded. Most should be private. Whatever is left (roads) should be charged by use - which I guess is a tax but acts more like a usage fee in reality.

The legitimate functions of the state (Justice, defense, maybe education), can be funded by neutral taxes, for example land value tax - which again is more of a usage fee than a tax.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7704 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1823 times:
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Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 16):
Most should be private. Whatever is left (roads) should be charged by use - which I guess is a tax but acts more like a usage fee in reality.

So you'd be beholden to private companies instead? Being that we need these things in our everyday lives, it amounts to the same thing - only private companies don't get voted out.



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User currently offlineRomeoBravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 17):
So you'd be beholden to private companies instead? Being that we need these things in our everyday lives, it amounts to the same thing - only private companies don't get voted out.

That doesn't seem to be a problem for the provision of the most important human need - food.

Private companies that do not use resources wisely and efficiently go bankrupt.

Politicians that don't use resources wisely and efficiently almost always seem to get voted in.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7704 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1796 times:
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Well, I'm sure we're not going to agree on public vs private, whatever we write here. However, I don't think comparing taxes to slavery is valid at all - whether you think the public spending is inefficient or whatever, the fact remains that taxes do pay for things we use. That is not slavery. We also get to keep and freely spend most of what we earn (except for perhaps some of the super-rich).


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User currently offlineRomeoBravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 19):
whether you think the public spending is inefficient or whatever, the fact remains that taxes do pay for things we use. That is not slavery.

A slave's labour also goes toward paying for his keep, food/clothes/shelter etc. Does that mean it is not slavery because he uses these things?

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 19):
We also get to keep and freely spend most of what we earn (except for perhaps some of the super-rich).

Once you add all the taxes up. Corporate tax, income, NI, VAT etc you'll find that we barely get to spend most of what we earn. In the UK public spending is in the ballpark of 45%. So we don't really get to keep a hell of a lot of it.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7704 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1772 times:
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Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 20):
A slave's labour also goes toward paying for his keep, food/clothes/shelter etc. Does that mean it is not slavery because he uses these things?

Sure, because apart from crappy food and a corner to sleep in he basically gets nothing else and has barely any other freedoms. It really doesn't bear comparison - it's pretty insulting to the memory of those that actually were properly enslaved to suggest that our living standards and freedoms are actually similar.



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User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 2):
paranoid schizo with delusional tendencies

Having never met her, just observed, schizotypal is probably a more precise assessment. Loopy and weird but not psychotic.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 8):
Well I'm sure many people live off her so in a way she's a slave, but this has nothing to do with taxes.

Which is entirely her choosing. She signed the contract.


User currently offlineRomeoBravo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 21):
it's pretty insulting to the memory of those that actually were properly enslaved to suggest that our living standards and freedoms are actually similar.

I didn't.

Just pointing out that taxation on productivity and slavery are conceptually the same thing.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7704 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1761 times:
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Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 23):
I didn't.

Just pointing out that taxation on productivity and slavery are conceptually the same thing.

Well, apologies if you're now saying that the clearly logical extension of your argument doesn't apply thereof - fair enough.

This is one we'll no doubt have to agree to disagree about. I don't view taxation as slavery, but as the civic duty of a responsible citizen of a productive society. Of course there are improvements that can be made to systems to make them fairer etc, and I certainly wouldn't say that all taxation is fair.

[Edited 2013-05-10 12:09:24]


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25 RomeoBravo : Your statement was not a logical extention [sic] of my argument. Taxation on productivity, believe it or not, results in a less productive society. G
26 RussianJet : Lauryn Hill referred to slavery - clearly meaning the past enslavement of black people. She compares her current financial predicament to slavery. In
27 RomeoBravo : I said taxation is slavery. I didn't say or infer that that meant she was working on a cotton farm, but her labour is still being extorted against her
28 RussianJet : No, I suggested it was part of that. Your example of a holiday is a good one - it's not directly productive, but in the long term can improve product
29 Superfly : 10% is more than enough. Government just needs to stop wasting money on bloated government projects and wars. Agreed but you need to re-read my post.
30 RussianJet : Personally I think it is a little better, yes - particularly in proper democracies. But anyway, this is all kind of a sidenote. It's not slavery what
31 RomeoBravo : You're sure as to hell right. People need to understand that the reason government taxation/spending has bloated to such an oppressive size is basica
32 Superfly : Governments have killed more people than any corporation. Even "proper democracies" have murdered millions of people in our modern society. As far as
33 RussianJet : Really? It sure as hell bothers me when I do my part but others shirk their responsibilities.
34 Redd : Crazy or not, I don't get the whole business of putting people in jail for not paying taxes. Just doc it from her income, or anyone else that does not
35 RussianJet : For me, that aspect should come down to two things: the level of intention to evade, and the amounts concerned. If it's sufficiently high on both cou
36 Redd : The same government that allows the big players to evade is putting the little guys in prison for the same thing, to me that does not seem right. Nex
37 RussianJet : You're dead right - that's not acceptable, and it should be addressed robustly. On the other hand, it's not like we've never seen big companies fall
38 Post contains images Superfly : As far as locking up Lauryn Hill, it should be for the crime she did with her butchered up version of the original Roberta Flack's - 'Killing Me Softl
39 RussianJet : I don't view it quite that simplistically in reality. There's a hell of a lot that I don't like about how governments govern, and I agree that waste
40 Pellegrine : Your making light of what she has said is frankly in bad taste and was done specifically to elicit the type of responses which you have gotten. For s
41 vikkyvik : Um, what? Not speaking for Aaron here, but care to clarify?
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