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GOP Outreach Director Calls GOP Racist  
User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3941 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1765 times:
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The Republican National Committee's outreach director in Florida has quit and switched his party affiliation to Democrat. This article reproduces in full an email explaining his decision.
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-bu...orida-switches-to-democrat/2120764

I have GOP card-carrying friends, colleagues and neighbors (but no relatives, come to think of it, might it be genetic?), some of whom are appalled at what other GOP members do and say, all of whom I believe to be decent, caring individuals who would not stand for racism, but at the same time I am astounded at the company the GOP keeps. What does it take to be told to surrender membership and take a very long walk?


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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12356 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1734 times:

From the article:

Quote:

Although the organization distanced themselves from those assertions, other immigration-related research is still padded with the same racist and eugenics-based innuendo. Some Republican leaders have blandly (if at all) denied and distanced themselves from this but it doesn’t take away from the culture within the ranks of intolerance. The pseudo-apologies appear to be a quick fix to deep-rooted issues in the Republican Party in hopes that it will soon pass and be forgotten.

Seems one of their own has gotten sick of the GOP dog whistle techniques.

Funny how the GOP insiders seem to think their two sided behavior is working when it clearly is not.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6447 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

I personally believe that any Democrat who calls any Republican racist should spend a lifetime in prison, since that is blatant slander, free speech or not.

[Edited 2013-05-14 15:03:51]


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 2):
I personally believe that any Democrat who calls any Republican racist should spend a lifetime in prison, since that is blatant slander, free speech or not.

Wow, where to begin? I guess you're mad at intolerance the GOP and counter it with more extreme intolerance (life in prison???????) Do you know what slander is? Did he call Republicans racist, or did he say there is a lot of intolerant views in the GOP? If you really believe what you said, I guess lock me up   (though I might be able to escape your extreme, hate-filled overreaction since I'm not a Democrat...)



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2129 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 2):
I personally believe that any Democrat who calls any Republican racist should spend a lifetime in prison, since that is blatant slander, free speech or not.

We're giving lifetime prison sentences to people for slander now? Please, tell us how you really feel.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1651 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 4):
We're giving lifetime prison sentences to people for slander now? Please, tell us how you really feel.

Comments like that don't make anyone sound intelligent. It just looks very immature and silly. I look back at comments I wrote a few years back when I was a completely biased, rightwinger and it makes me cringe. No problem with someone being right leaning, I consider myself to be, but comments like that just sound ignorant   

Yeah, the Heritage Foundation's report was pretty bad. I don't know how they thought that would win support over to their side



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User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1901 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1645 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Thread starter):
some of whom are appalled at what other GOP members do and say

Democrats usually say equally appalling things, of course you hardly hear about that though. Nothing brings out the true colors of the Left more than when a conservative african-american runs for office.

Quoting blueflyer (Thread starter):
but at the same time I am astounded at the company the GOP keeps.

Oh you mean people like former clansman and senior Senator Robert Bird or Bill Ayers? Oh, wait...

This is a feckless tit-for-tat issue that could go on forever.

[Edited 2013-05-14 16:18:02]

[Edited 2013-05-14 16:20:30]

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 2):
any Democrat who calls any Republican racist should spend a lifetime in prison

We all remember your comments in the gay marriage thread. The pinnacle of tolerance it was!  



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1612 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 6):
Democrats usually say equally appalling things, of course you hardly hear about that though.

Of course we hear about it, it's equally loud and obnoxious except instead of it coming from NBC or CNN it comes from Fox and talk radio. What's your point? I think the rainbow of bias is well represented in America. Liberals have a lot of papers and news channels and conservatives have almost all talk radio and Fox which is very large



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6447 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1614 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
Wow, where to begin? I guess you're mad at intolerance the GOP and counter it with more extreme intolerance (life in prison???????) Do you know what slander is? Did he call Republicans racist, or did he say there is a lot of intolerant views in the GOP? If you really believe what you said, I guess lock me up (though I might be able to escape your extreme, hate-filled overreaction since I'm not a Democrat...)

Intolerance!? Democrats are the ones who are intolerant of opposing views, which is why you will NEVER see a pro-life Democrat or pro-nuclear power Democrat in any major political position.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1602 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 9):
Democrats are the ones who are intolerant of opposing views, which is why you will NEVER see a pro-life Democrat or pro-nuclear power Democrat in any major political position.

Without looking up to prove you wrong (which I think you are, but I'll roll with what you are saying) that's like calling the GOP intolerant because they're all for *insert conservative ideal here.* Of course most Democrats are going to be for Democrat party ideas, I don't see how that's intolerant      

I suggest you get in a rational discussion with a rational liberal. Keyword: rational. Your rhetoric, no offense, is completely childish and flamebait, so I wouldn't be surprised if every liberal that talks with you blows you off (and is "intolerant of what you say") because when you say such outlandish things like "life imprisonment" for slander (and I'm assuming it's slander) it's hard to take that seriously and no one wants to deal with it.

Try calming down and saying "why is he saying Republicans are racist" (spoiler: he didn't say that) and "what point was he referring to" (the whole part about immigrants having lower IQs.) Feel free to disagree afterwards, but at least you won't be written off and people can more or less respect your different opinion, even if they disagree



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6447 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1598 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):
Without looking up to prove you wrong (which I think you are, but I'll roll with what you are saying) that's like calling the GOP intolerant because they're all for *insert conservative ideal here.* Of course most Democrats are going to be for Democrat party ideas, I don't see how that's intolerant

Well, we have seen several pro-choice Republicans holding major political positions (Giuliani, Schwarzenegger, etc), but NEVER any pro-life Democrats. It can't be any more obvious which party is more intolerant of opposing political views, because the Democratic Party will NEVER let anyone who is pro-life hold a major political position.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1595 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 11):
the Democratic Party will NEVER let anyone who is pro-life hold a major political position.

Oops.

http://www.democratsforlife.org/



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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8467 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1586 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 9):
Intolerance!? Democrats are the ones who are intolerant of opposing views, which is why you will NEVER see a pro-life Democrat or pro-nuclear power Democrat in any major political position.

A smart argument isn't it. Do you honestly think the GOP will tolerate a Pro choice Republican to national office or one who supports gun control. The GOP chairman Pat Brady of Illinois has recently pressured out as leader of his state party over his stance on gay marriage. Maybe facts are not your thing but when has your party been tolerant of gay marriage and why have people in Florida in Democratic jurisdictions have had to wait for hours to vote and why? If your party is tolerant why isn't your party not quick to embrace Muslims, immigrants, gun control supporters and gays?



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 11):
It can't be any more obvious which party is more intolerant of opposing political views, because the Democratic Party will NEVER let anyone who is pro-life hold a major political position.

Please stop bro. You're being ridiculous

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Donnelly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Bright
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Childers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Driehaus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Casey,_Jr.

Need I go on?



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User currently offlineBoeing717200 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Thread starter):

Having a fit and switching party's over a Heritage Foundation report that most people said WTF too?

Seems to me there is going to more to this...


User currently onlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4504 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1522 times:

Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 15):
Having a fit and switching party's over a Heritage Foundation report that most people said WTF too?

Seems to me there is going to more to this...

It wasn't just a WTF report. It was a report that sourced numbers using resources that had some very dubious papers in the past. the image that report cast was that Heritage and the GOP were pushing an agenda and not relying on solid data and integrity when reporting those numbers.

I am sure their are other reasons. However those are all slow boilers.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1493 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 2):
I personally believe that any Democrat who calls any Republican racist should spend a lifetime in prison, since that is blatant slander, free speech or not.

Your argument might have been a little more credible if you knew the difference between slander and libel...

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 9):
Intolerance!? Democrats are the ones who are intolerant of opposing views

You must have wonderful views in that glass house of yours  



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19417 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1493 times:

Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 15):
Having a fit and switching party's over a Heritage Foundation report that most people said WTF too?

Seems to me there is going to more to this...

Yes, there is a lot more to this.

Folks, please READ THE ARTICLE before posting, because if the above poster had read it (s)he would know that a full explanation is given in the article and that it is about a great deal more than the report. Rather than telling you the whole story, I will simply refer you to the link in the OP. It's a short article, I promise.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):
Try calming down

My friend, you are trying to reason with someone who is not reasonable. Save your carpal tunnels the strain.  


User currently offlineBoeing717200 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1488 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):

The article is his letter and his opinion as he runs out the door to the other party with no other information. There is no other information than what he says in the article.

For example:

"And a Republican strategist who wishes to remain unidentified says Pantoja had sought work with RNC officials a few months ago. ”This is a personal decision he is making, but if you go from asking the RNC for a job to a public statement saying you’re switching parties, then it looks like you are not sure of what you are doing,” says the Republican strategist."


http://nbclatino.com/2013/05/14/flor...t-personal-its-about-the-rhetoric/

That and he like's attention:

http://pablopantoja.com/


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[Edited 2013-05-14 20:20:11]

User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1901 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 15):
Having a fit and switching party's over a Heritage Foundation report that most people said WTF too?

Seems to me there is going to more to this...

Yes, there is a lot more to this.

Folks, please READ THE ARTICLE before posting, because if the above poster had read it (s)he would know that a full explanation is given in the article and that it is about a great deal more than the report. Rather than telling you the whole story, I will simply refer you to the link in the OP. It's a short article, I promise.

Yeah I read the article initially and I agree there's something more behind it. It would be more believable if he simply left the Republican Party and became an independent, but there's something odd about suddenly jumping completely to the other end of the political spectrum. One would assume if this guy was not only a Republican, but worked in Hispanic outreach for the party that he obviously shared some of the core beliefs (limited government, cutting spending...etc), one doesn't just drop these principles and run in the opposite direction for the reasons he cited unless there was something else going on...that or he must not have strong convictions.


User currently offlineBoeing717200 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1467 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 20):

He'd only been around a couple of months (April through June of last year) I call BS on his whole manufactured persona. Non story considering he left the job almost a year ago. Just another attention whore.

[Edited 2013-05-14 20:31:18]

User currently onlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 20):
It would be more believable if he simply left the Republican Party and became an independent, but there's something odd about suddenly jumping completely to the other end of the political spectrum.

People without a political affiliation don't get jobs in Mr. Pantoja's chosen field: Politics...


User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1901 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 22):
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 20):
It would be more believable if he simply left the Republican Party and became an independent, but there's something odd about suddenly jumping completely to the other end of the political spectrum.

People without a political affiliation don't get jobs in Mr. Pantoja's chosen field: Politics...

I absolutely agree, which makes me believe this whole 'the GOP is racist, I'm switching parties' is more like 'the Democrats offered me more money, so I switched jobs/parties'.


User currently offlineBoeing717200 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1441 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 23):

Especially considering he hasn't been the Outreach Director for almost a year and had only had the job for a couple of months to begin with.


25 DeltaMD90 : Rather than debating the man (let's face it, he's a politician, we should take most of them with a grain of salt) we should be discussing the issue a
26 flyguy89 : Good point. Not more so than the Democratic Party. As I implied earlier, one could continually go back-and-forth with appalling statements from and a
27 cws818 : Thank you for a "profound" and foolish contribution to the thread with, expectedly, no substantiation, whatsoever.
28 cws818 : And if I were to say that the pink Delta 767-400ER were an unsightly, bloated, behemoth of a beast, what would you say?
29 cws818 : And we have NEVER seen any pro-choice Republicans on a post-primary national ticket. As for pro-life Democrats, do you have any understanding (at all
30 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Speaking of things that will soon pass and be forgotten if they don't change their ways.... What was that Michael Jackson song again? Something about
31 OA412 : Truth. Anyone who makes claims that asinine has absolutely no idea how our legal system works, what it actually takes to prove slander and libel, and
32 Post contains images Stabilator : Wouldn't be A.net without the mandatory weekly political thread!
33 DocLightning : Except the DNC is not "at the other end of the spectrum." The issue is that the GOP is no longer a Conservative party; they are a reactionary party.
34 Post contains images Dreadnought : You forgot to mention that all us Republicans think that Deliverance was a love story.
35 1337Delta764 : Totally untrue. The DNC is far left on the political spectrum, comparable to many communist parties. Anyone who denies this is intentionally being di
36 flyguy89 : Yeah, keep telling yourself that. ...or try being a conservative african-american at the DNC and see how that goes for ya. Please, you're just soundi
37 WestJet747 : Doc is actually spot on. If you look at leftist parties in other developed countries, the US center is actually far more right than any other country
38 DeltaMD90 : You need to get out more and/or read a textbook on what communism is. People like you and your extreme attitude is what is killing the GOP. I used to
39 flyguy89 : This is true and, I believe, why many in other countries have such a hard time understanding US politics. You're looking at it from an international
40 DarkSnowyNight : Don't sugar coat it or anything... And that's the problem. In America, what we call conservatism really is a lot closer to outright fascism. It's har
41 Klaus : Dead on. You clearly have not been out much. You could hardly be more wrong. The US Democratic Party indeed covers essentially most of the more cente
42 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : What is this slander? You should be jailed for life
43 Post contains images WestJet747 : And that's really my point. If you take a running average (if there were a way to quantify it) of the center-point of all developed governments, the
44 flyguy89 : So now your political opposition is "a hazard to the general public"? Get real. It doesn't matter because it isn't germane to the topic, each country
45 DarkSnowyNight : The only thing that truly separates it from traditional fascism is the resentment of taxes, hence why I didn't mention that. But no, it's not silly a
46 flyguy89 : I'm not saying we're not center-right compared to the rest of the world, I'm saying that you can't point to any one and declare it the "true, legitim
47 Post contains images WestJet747 : You're ignoring arguably the largest tenet of fascism: totalitarianism. You can argue that Bush 43 was a terrible President that lied and made stupid
48 Post contains images DocLightning : Yup. Nope. In Fascism there is an emphasis on the power of the state and forced equality of the people, not dissimilar to Communism. The GOP's overal
49 Post contains images Klaus : From the tea partiers' point of view I'm already living in a hellhole of oppressive gun restrictions, horrifyingly overreaching social policies and r
50 Boeing717200 : I would imagine that if someone were a liberal and lived in the Bay Area where everyone nods yes in lock step with anything leftist they would surmis
51 flyguy89 : Most of what you've described there fits Neo-Cons like Karl Rove and GWB to a "T" and are just as rabidly despised by many conservatives and libertar
52 Superfly : This is a pointless topic. Both parties have their fair-share of racist. With only two major political parties, there is bound to be unsavory groups a
53 Post contains images Darksnowynight : And with everything you wrote below that, you don't think there's a very strong push for sameness? We'll probably end up having to disagree, but I do
54 1337Delta764 : Unfortunately, the Democratic Party will never admit it, and all the name calling only goes one way. If a Republican were to call a Democrat a racist
55 2707200X : Since it should be illegal, what should be the punishment then? And should it be legal to prosecute a Republican in that matter?
56 WestJet747 : *cough* First Amendment *cough*
57 flyguy89 : Rather outlandish if you seriously believe that. While I do think in the US that the term "racist" is bandied about way too casually, as a conservati
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