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Brutal Suicide On Japanese Train Sta. This Morning  
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7114 posts, RR: 17
Posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

This link is in Japanese only but I will translate. Also I'll include a link from Twitter which includes a photo, but warning! That photo is brutal.
Japanese Link: (note- stuff in Parenthesis are added from different sources to explain further)
http://www.asahi.com/national/update/0515/TKY201305150029.html

Quote:
(today, May 15) at Yurakucho Station, a Man (in his 20s or 30s) jumped in front of an Ômiya-bound Local Keihin-Tohoku Train and died. Because of this, The Keihin-Tohoku Line, as well as the Yamanote Line (the loop around central Tokyo), the Tokaido Line, (the Shonan-Shinjuku Line, Saikyo Line, and other lines) were stopped or delayed for longer than an hour. An estimated 231,000 people were effected directly, according to JR East.


Twitter photo **not for feint of heart**: https://twitter.com/hikonyan117/status/334612483216138240/photo/1
Other Sources: http://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXNASDG15029_V10C13A5CC0000/

Now this is something which is a huge issue in Japan, as I've stated before. And this isn't a first time thing at all. If you have me on facebook, you saw that a suicide cancelled a number of trains from Tokyo station which prevented me from getting home sunday. This morning, because of the closure of one train line, other train lines (that aren't even connected physically to those other lines!) were late...and because of that, I ended up sardined against the side of the train I was riding to get to school....and I was late.

Its a huge issue because these people have so many suppressed issues, they choose to let it all out and end it all in a way they could never do before- publicly, dramatically, TRAUMATICALLY (for the driver of that train for sure!) and in a way which will make people always remember who the heck this crazy guy was, because he impacted so many people. I guarantee you that more than a million people were effected by this than the 231,000 stated by JR East.

In Japan, if someone uses an oncoming train to end their life, the train company typically brings their family to court and charges them exorbitant amounts of money. They have the right to as well, because these cause such horrid delays and not to mention the damage caused to this particular EMU.

Japanese people need to learn that if they have depression, or suicidal thoughts, that they need to seek help. I've seen reports and governmental releases encouraging seeking help too, because of how huge of a problem this is becoming recently. As for the victim, I have zero sympathy for someone who does something like this. It causes such a huge mess for everyone involved, and not to mention for the driver who had the horrible circumstance of killing this man.
This is harsh, but its true. I did not need to be late this morning. I woke up as I usually do, I get my breakfast like I always do, and go to school like I always do. Me and everyone else on the trains this morning. We have our own lives, our own issues, and our own problems. This guy's issues, whatever they were, became MY problems this morning, in the form of massive delays and inconveniences. We did not need these. This man should have solved his issues or at least if he wanted to kill himself, do it in a way which didn't cause such a huge mess this morning.

Also there was a second suicide this evening at Tokyo Station which also screwed up some lines. Thankfully it was an isolated line...if it was the same line as this morning, I may not have gotten home tonight.

Thoughts?


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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2908 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

This happens a lot also in the NYC subway system...

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
In Japan, if someone uses an oncoming train to end their life, the train company typically brings their family to court and charges them exorbitant amounts of money. They have the right to as well, because these cause such horrid delays and not to mention the damage caused to this particular EMU.

That is pretty messed up. How could the family be held responsible ? So if one suspects a family member is depressed what are they supposed to do ? How could the court possibly side with the train company ???



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User currently offlineoffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 869 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3795 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 1):
That is pretty messed up. How could the family be held responsible ? So if one suspects a family member is depressed what are they supposed to do ? How could the court possibly side with the train company ???

  

If someone feels that there is no other way out that is incredibly sad, but yes, very selfish also to jump in front of a train, but I'm thinking of primarily the driver and the clean up crew.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
I guarantee you that more than a million people were effected by this than the 231,000 stated by JR East.

As a society things happen on a daily basis, be it road accidents, weather delays, strikes or a thousand other things. I crashed my bike a while ago, and that delayed a few people who stopped to see if I was ok. I appreciated that, and I'd do the same for someone else.

It sounds like your delayed arrival home means more to you than someone's life...



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7114 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3765 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 1):
That is pretty messed up. How could the family be held responsible ? So if one suspects a family member is depressed what are they supposed to do ? How could the court possibly side with the train company ???

In Japan, families are the unit of division in the country. There's a huge family registry which is kept for the census, and people are typically identified by their family. In standard conversation, acquaintances, business conversations, and the like, are always referred to by their family name (for example, if someone was named Taro Yamamoto, he would be called "Mr. Yamamoto" by everyone, not just business. It's a different context than in America.) and because of this familial system, the train companies will hold the families responsible for compensating the huge delays incurred.

Quoting offloaded (Reply 2):
. I crashed my bike a while ago, and that delayed a few people who stopped to see if I was ok. I appreciated that, and I'd do the same for someone else.

It sounds like your delayed arrival home means more to you than someone's life...

That's a voluntary delay. We were forced to be delayed. a huge difference.



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1162 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3753 times:

Sad event, I guess it's combination of Japanese culture and failures in the society that contribute to these.

I feel bad for the train driver and others who saw the event, other than that I'm glad it delayed a lot of people. Problems like this should never be ignored like they would if these people killed themselves quietly instead of very public way. More problems it causes to daily lives of people around the better (as long as nobody else gets physically hurt), maybe then they would realize how necessary it's to really start seriously acting against this problem.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7114 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3743 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 4):
other than that I'm glad it delayed a lot of people. Problems like this should never be ignored like they would if these people killed themselves quietly instead of very public way.

Be careful with your wording, but i totally understand your point. There are indeed issues with Japanese society, which I hope get addressed. JR East has been doing preventative measures such as installing platform edge doors at some stations and using blue lights which are supposed to calm suicidal passengers, but obviously those blue lights didn't work this morning. And also as you stated it doesn't necessarily solve the suicide issue at hand.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 4):
More problems it causes to daily lives of people around the better (as long as nobody else gets physically hurt), maybe then they would realize how necessary it's to really start seriously acting against this problem.

Well there have been some injuries which have occurred when someone else commits suicide. One of my friends was on board a train which hit someone, and when the driver hit the emergency brake, my friend fell against the wall and got a concussion. Couldn't play basketball for the rest of that season.
Also in 2011 when a woman jumped infront of the Narita Express train (google it if you don't know what it is) her body flew back into a kiosk on the platform and injured four others. But man realize that the traumatic injuries are often unrepairable.



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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4895 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3723 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
Be careful with your wording
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
...Couldn't play basketball for the rest of that season.

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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2950 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3698 times:
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Pretty tragic when it happens and sympathies go out to the bereaved.

But these things happen on just about every urban rail network at sometime.

Here in London there are such jumpers most weeks.

Suicide is the most selfish of actions really.


User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7036 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3679 times:

In the 2.5 years I lived in London I was stuck on underground train 3-4 times due to suicide by train, one of my flatmates for a time was a guard on the Northern Line, he reckoned every driver on the Underground had been involved in a suicide by train incident, some drivers had multiple suicides under their belts, he had been involved in one.

User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3670 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 1):

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
In Japan, if someone uses an oncoming train to end their life, the train company typically brings their family to court and charges them exorbitant amounts of money. They have the right to as well, because these cause such horrid delays and not to mention the damage caused to this particular EMU.

That is pretty messed up. How could the family be held responsible ? So if one suspects a family member is depressed what are they supposed to do ? How could the court possibly side with the train company ???

I don't think they are actually suing the family, rather they are suing the estate of the deceased in which the family is the executor of said estate. If the operator is successful in their lawsuit, they would be compensated from the assets in the estate of the deceased, with no liability on the part of the family.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6471 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

There are 5-600 "suicides by train" in France every year, and that is a very different society than Japan. A third happens in the Paris region, so when I used to commute to Paris I was affected regularly.


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7787 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3654 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 7):
Suicide is the most selfish of actions really.

It sure is to the rational mind.

Unfortunately, depression distorts rationality.



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User currently offlinetz757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2867 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3632 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
I did not need to be late this morning. I woke up as I usually do, I get my breakfast like I always do, and go to school like I always do. Me and everyone else on the trains this morning. We have our own lives, our own issues, and our own problems. This guy's issues, whatever they were, became MY problems this morning, in the form of massive delays and inconveniences. We did not need these

I'm pretty sure the planet doesn't revolve solely around you. And if the entire Japanese society thinks like the way you do, no wonder he committed suicide. He probably thought there was nobody to go to since everyone only cares about themselves. Maybe Japan needs a sense of compassion for those going through a difficult time in their lives?



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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2950 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3574 times:
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Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 11):
It sure is to the rational mind.

Unfortunately, depression distorts rationality.

Very much so .

Clinical depression can be devastating -its far more than simple Monday morning blues !

There are many differing and complex reasons that drive peoples desperation to the point of self distraction its true.


User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
Japanese people need to learn that if they have depression, or suicidal thoughts, that they need to seek help. I've seen reports and governmental releases encouraging seeking help too, because of how huge of a problem this is becoming recently. As for the victim, I have zero sympathy for someone who does something like this. It causes such a huge mess for everyone involved, and not to mention for the driver who had the horrible circumstance of killing this man

"They need to seek help" is easier said than done. If you ever have depression, tell me, and I'll tell you to pick yourself up by your boots. Then tell me then how easy it is to seek help, believe me, it was the hardest thing I have ever done.



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9700 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3464 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
because he impacted so many people

Pun intended?

Sorry, couldn't resist that.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
I did not need to be late this morning. I woke up as I usually do, I get my breakfast like I always do, and go to school like I always do. Me and everyone else on the trains this morning. We have our own lives, our own issues, and our own problems. This guy's issues, whatever they were, became MY problems this morning, in the form of massive delays and inconveniences. We did not need these. This man should have solved his issues or at least if he wanted to kill himself, do it in a way which didn't cause such a huge mess this morning.

Heaven forbid you are forced to deal with someone else's problem for a brief time in your life. For all your talk about Japanese society and such, this is pretty much the antithesis of society - keep your crap to yourself, let me go on about my life.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
I may not have gotten home tonight.

You know two people aren't going home ever again, right?



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User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1341 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
This is harsh, but its true. I did not need to be late this morning. I woke up as I usually do, I get my breakfast like I always do, and go to school like I always do. Me and everyone else on the trains this morning. We have our own lives, our own issues, and our own problems. This guy's issues, whatever they were, became MY problems this morning, in the form of massive delays and inconveniences. We did not need these. This man should have solved his issues or at least if he wanted to kill himself, do it in a way which didn't cause such a huge mess this morning.

You think that's hard to deal with? It rained on my car last night. Real, wet, water droplety, Rain. I don't think you understand how traumatic that is, and how difficult that can be to deal with at the start of one's day. I had to sit in car, with the defrost on for almost 30 seconds before I could leave.

And to top it all off, I totally saw a stray cat on the way down to the freeway. I had to think about all that stuff, which made them MY problems now. I hope you understand how hard this is even to relate...

Quoting Stabilator (Reply 14):
"They need to seek help" is easier said than done. If you ever have depression, tell me, and I'll tell you to pick yourself up by your boots. Then tell me then how easy it is to seek help, believe me, it was the hardest thing I have ever done.

Totally agree. I hope the OP never experiences what causes this behavior. Clearly, he doesn't have the experience to understand the complexities that cause these things.



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User currently offline9MMPQ From Netherlands, joined Nov 2011, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3407 times:

I normally quite like your posts but now i think you need to step back a little bit.

Several years ago now I have seen a man in the last few possible seconds calmly & purposely step off the platform right in front of an oncoming train while i was heading home after college. I certainly did not think or make a problem of the fact that i was going to get home later via an excruciating detour. As i did then & still do now whenever i hear of something like this happening my only thought is how sad it is that another human being just like us was so down & out that he or she could only see suicide as a way out.

At least you can still get home & be thankful that you are not struggling with problems to the point that it gets the better of you & suicide seems to be the only way out. That should be a pretty big plus for all of us really, but that's just my way of thinking.



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User currently offlineaaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

The same thing happens on the Tokaido line down here once or twice a month. They still have not installed fencing along parts of the line that would prevent someone from getting on the tracks - there are simply too many at-grade vehicular crossings in the less urban parts of the line to achieve total prevention. One of the most interesting things is that in English-speaking countries, we'll refer to these instances as "jumpers" and "suicides". In Japan everything is an "accident" euphemistically.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
Japanese people need to learn that if they have depression, or suicidal thoughts, that they need to seek help.

This is a pipe dream. Japanese mental health services and support are 15-20 years behind their western counterparts, and that's not saying much when even services in the US are lacking.

Admitting fault is easy in this culture, asking for help is not because it brings shame. Remember that from the time people are primary school kids here, it is internalized that if you can't fall in line and literally do as others do, you're NG.

Many large companies do not even have a counselor on-staff. I think it is quite easy for foreigners here to fail to realize that many Japanese lead lives of heavy isolation and little to no interpersonal communication outside of the workplace, and that is a toxic formula for those prone to depression.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
This man should have solved his issues or at least if he wanted to kill himself, do it in a way which didn't cause such a huge mess this morning.

Probably seems impossible to a depressed person, especially in Tokyo.

Quoting tz757300 (Reply 12):
Maybe Japan needs a sense of compassion for those going through a difficult time in their lives?

This would help dramatically. It's not as if it's not around. In my time here, I have seen incredible acts of compassion that surprised and amazed me. At the same time, I've had enough exposure to the working world here to understand that plenty of people have workplace atmospheres that utterly destroy them interpersonally, and as work is basically the center of life for a young Japanese man, there is no way out.



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User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

I'm with the OP on this one.

I'd even go further than that:

http://youtu.be/G7Muj1Sb6uA?t=25s

This.



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User currently offlineaaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3164 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 19):
I'm with the OP on this one.

Don't need to live or visit here then, thanks. That link is pretty deplorable.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3159 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 19):
This.

Clarkson's comment was meant a joke that the program apologized for at the end of the show (one of two subjects he joked about on the One Show that night).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCO2GgkjRgk



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17281 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

Quoting aaron747 (Reply 18):
Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):This man should have solved his issues or at least if he wanted to kill himself, do it in a way which didn't cause such a huge mess this morning.
Probably seems impossible to a depressed person, especially in Tokyo.

It's certainly not going to get better with that attitude! The long over due baby steps recently made in the US toward a national dialogue on long taboo mental issues must look like a wholesale airing of personal dirty laundry in Japan.



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User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

Quoting aaron747 (Reply 20):
Don't need to live or visit here then, thanks. That link is pretty deplorable.

I wasn't planning on it, to be honest.

The way Clarkson put it is very blunt, but the overall meaning of it is true.

Suicide is a terrible act, and everything possible should be done to prevent this. People who feel like letting go have to speak up to be rescued and lots of work has to be put into that, from education, to entire societal changes.

BUT. To forget that these acts affect hundreds of thousands of other people around is wrong. I don't see why so many should be affected by the acts of a few. It's not about being inhumane it's about being fair. There's no fairness in losing your job because you couldn't make it, because someone offed themselves on the rails. There's no fairness in having to witness someone being crushed under a train.

Of course saying it is not politically correct. It doesn't make it any less true.

[Edited 2013-05-16 02:06:31]


Cheers
User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3083 times:

Japanese society is still among the very best on this planet!

Compare the Japanese people's response to the tsunami/nuclear disaster to say, Hurricane Katrina here in the US. Look at their homes and workplaces. Look at their crime rate and education. They are leaders in virtually everything that they undertake and do even the most mundane things with a level of care that your average American wouldn't recognize if it bit him in the ass. It's not a coincidence.

So, on balance I'd say the Japanese concept of shame is overwhelmingly positive even if it comes with negative consequences such as a high suicide rate. No such thing as a free lunch.


25 AeroWesty : The way Clarkson meant what he said was as a joke.
26 Post contains links zkojq : I like what Singapore does with their MTR system. They have proper floor-to-ceiling barriers with doors in them that physically prevent people from fr
27 stealthz : This is only possible in a "new build" system that uses a standard train design. Older systems that have varying car designs and platfoms that serve
28 Post contains links and images zkojq : Good point, hadn't thought of that. Additional point; the barriers prevent incidents like this happening. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQm25nW6aZw[
29 Post contains images PHX787 : I appreciate the input guys, even despite my apparent controversial views on this subject. But trust me on this, they aren't just my views, they are t
30 flyingturtle : It is much worse than a "Monday morning blues". But there remains a big misunderstanding. Depression is NOT being in a bad mood. Depression is not ab
31 Post contains links MD11Engineer : Well, I have read about an incident in China, where a guy was sitting on the railing of a bridge, still deciding if he should jump or not and a man, p
32 Post contains links flyingturtle : Nothing graphic here, but several real suicides at the Golden Gate Bridge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxtXjAZeyaY Wikipedia on that documentary fi
33 vikkyvik : So? Just because more than one person feels that way doesn't mean my view on it changes. The very fact that many Japanese people look at it as an ann
34 IADCA : I'm not picking on either of you in particular, but I think we're missing the mark a bit in this debate. The way I see it, there are two issues: atti
35 PHX787 : My feelings would be as such: If the person had a heart attack, or was pushed onto the tracks by a criminal, or maybe even if he was drunk and fell o
36 vikkyvik : I understand what he's reacting to. Doesn't change my view. One has to look at, "why did this person feel the need to publicly commit suicide?" I tru
37 Post contains images SmittyOne : A person whose day has been made needlessly more difficult by someone else's actions is not being 'selfish' for calling it out, any more than someone
38 Post contains links and images Confuscius : Speaking of suicide... I took this picture a few years ago on my way back to the Bay Area from San Diego. This on the I-5 and Hwy 14 interchange south
39 mariner : Looking for validation in numbers? Very often hard to tell with him. So? I'm getting on and when my life becomes intolerable - to me - I fully intend
40 IADCA : I think you're attaching a value judgment to my statement that I didn't intend. Selfishness is just putting one's own considerations ahead of those o
41 Post contains images SmittyOne : Makes sense to me - rant officially retracted DAMN!
42 Post contains links N751PR : A few years ago I was doing my regular commute on a Metrolink train from LA to Palmdale when the train struck someone laying on the tracks on the outs
43 aaron747 : That's the Japanese attitude toward most things that are too difficult/emotional to deal with. If something is too めんどくさい (a catch-all ph
44 Post contains links melpax : Happens all too frequently in these parts as well. This happened only a couple of weeks back, I ended up being late to the office, along with thousand
45 B747-4U3 : That's the saddest part of these incidents. There are innocent onlookers and the driver who see the event happening. Those are the ones I have sympat
46 PHX787 : Let me point out that while I write, there has been a suicide every day this week, except for today (Sunday) and Wednesday. I again almost did not mak
47 vikkyvik : Will do. If someone committed a public suicide like this, that probably means they needed some serious help. Help that (apparently, from what I'm rea
48 melpax : I don't know if this is true or not, but I have heard that train drivers on the Melbourne system get an automatic 8 weeks off if they hit someone. Th
49 B747-4U3 : I believe the vast majority of the research indicates that it is a last minute decision. In some cases they may even enter the station with no intent
50 PHX787 : Yeah I'm not an expert but there are very few shunting points and on subways its difficult to switch to the right side of the tracks (they operate on
51 Post contains links aaron747 : Either way, still better than the ridiculous celebrity copycat suicides in Korea: http://english.chosun.com/site/data/..._dir/2013/01/09/201301090122
52 Post contains images PHX787 : Yeah I've heard of this from my friend who has a masters in Korean studies....I'm quoting her as saying "Koreans are way too nuts over these celebs..
53 vikkyvik : That may be true. But I doubt that there was nothing previous to said decision that enabled the mental state in which they chose suicide. Both? I alr
54 Post contains links mariner : If everyone you know agrees with you, then I don't see it as "controversial" as you claimed. What might be more controversial could be a debate as to
55 DeltaMD90 : This discussion has been going on for years, at least within the military. I've been bombarded by it over the last few years, but on the positive sid
56 mariner : I am very pleased to hear that. My point was really that the debate seems to be spreading beyond the military into the wider community. Maybe I am ju
57 DeltaMD90 : It is indeed, and I think the love of our military in the US has helped spread the debate within our country. I do not believe in servicemember worsh
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