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Toronto's Mayor Embroiled In Crack Cocaine Scandal  
User currently offlinesquared From Canada, joined May 2005, 387 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

The mayor of the fifth largest city in North America was allegedly caught on video huffing from a crack pipe...

http://gawker.com/for-sale-a-video-o...yor-rob-ford-smoking-cra-507736569

http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hal...n_crack_cocaine_video_scandal.html

If true, this is yet another example of Rob Ford's lack of judgment. The fact that this man has somehow become mayor of Canada's largest city is just mind-boggling.

I hope this gives "Ford Nation" some pause come election time next year.

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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2715 times:

Speaking strictly from an unbiased point-of-view (my home address isn't in Toronto, so I can't really be biased anyway), I can't take any Rob Ford story reported by The Star to be credible. They have a known track record of being strongly anti-Ford, and have been caught outright lying about him in the past. I quite like The Star, but I have no time for them or their reporters when it comes to Toronto politics.

As for Gawker, I love that site. They report stories that you won't see on mainstream networks or news sites. BUT, when the author of the article starts off the piece with a line like "Rob Ford, Toronto's conservative mayor, is a wild lunatic", again loses all credibility with me.

At the end of the day, I'm not going to claim the video is real or not until I see it with my own eyes. The fact that the person in possession of the video " really wants the video out" yet has already turned down a $40,000 offer makes me a bit skeptical.

Quoting squared (Thread starter):
The fact that this man has somehow become mayor of Canada's largest city is just mind-boggling.

Sure, the guy is an idiot in his personal life, but he's a pretty damn good mayor. Far too many people say he's a shitty mayor because he makes poor judgement outside of his role as mayor while conveniently ignoring that he has on paper been far more effective than past mayors of Toronto. You might not like him from a moral standpoint, I'm not sure anyone can, but you have to admit the guy gets done what he says is going to get done. The only thing stopping him from doing more are those Always-Vote-Against-Ford Councillors that are currently resorting to American-style politics and, frankly, making City Hall a laughing stock.

Quoting squared (Thread starter):
I hope this gives "Ford Nation" some pause come election time next year.

Pause to think about Olivia Chow, Adam Vaughn, George Smitherman, Sarah Thompson? I'd still have to go with Ford, being the lesser of two evils.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week ago) and read 2698 times:

Maybe it was part of a weight loss plan?


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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12424 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week ago) and read 2685 times:

Quoting squared (Thread starter):
The mayor of the fifth largest city in North America was allegedly caught on video huffing from a crack pipe...

Ah, this, on top of the Maple Leafs epic choke after being up 4-1 with 11 minutes to play in Game 7.


..


Seems the ol' town of Tronto (sic) will never be the same.



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6177 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2625 times:
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Quoting squared (Thread starter):
lack of judgment.

If true, I think that this shows more than just "lack of judgement"

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 1):
Far too many people say he's a shitty mayor because he makes poor judgement outside of his role as mayor

We usually agree on many things, but I have to disagree with you here. Doing crack as the Mayor of a city like Toronto cannot just be swept under the "whatever he does outside his role as Mayor is his problem" rug, if I understood you correctly. Crack is not pot, and it is directly related to organized crime. Also, given how a crack user evolves, it´s just a matter of time before he stops being a good Mayor if he continues using it. And they usually become "bad" in ways that involve money.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2612 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):
Maybe it was part of a weight loss plan?

If so then he definitely needs more of it. He doesn't look a pound thinner than when he took office.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 3):

I don't often laugh out loud at things I read on A-net...but that meme made me lose it   

Quoting AR385 (Reply 4):
We usually agree on many things, but I have to disagree with you here. Doing crack as the Mayor of a city like Toronto cannot just be swept under the "whatever he does outside his role as Mayor is his problem" rug, if I understood you correctly. Crack is not pot, and it is directly related to organized crime. Also, given how a crack user evolves, it´s just a matter of time before he stops being a good Mayor if he continues using it. And they usually become "bad" in ways that involve money.


I can see how what I wrote could have been taken out of context. If you look at the quote from the OP that I was responding to, it didn't have anything to do with this particular incident.

What I'm referring to is that there are so many people in the GTA who criticize the mayor for petty things like how he was seen looking at a sheet of paper while driving to work one morning (to which the left called for his arrest), or how he was spotted leaving the liquor store with a mickey (to which the left called for his immediate resignation because buying a 13oz bottle of alcohol "clearly shows that he has an alcohol problem), or how he used his official letterhead to ask for donations to a charity he supports (to which the left called for him to be kicked out of office), and the list goes on. If you're familiar with my posts, then you know I remain moderate on most issues and avoid playing the "left vs. right" card, but I can't help but point that there is an absolute left-wing agenda to make Ford's life a living hell, and it has been going on since before he even got elected.

Basically all I'm pointing out is that there is a group of people, apparently including our OP, that doesn't believe Ford should have even become mayor in the first place, despite the fact that the numbers will show he's a pretty good (strictly looking at him in his role as mayor).

With all that said, if the video turns out to be legit and the allegations of Ford smoking crack during his tenure as mayor are true, then he needs to resign. I can let a politician get away with some minor indiscretions in their personal life, but that ends when they break the law.



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3852 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2599 times:

Here's a video of the mayor...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9YZjY_vTU0



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3359 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 1):
Sure, the guy is an idiot in his personal life, but he's a pretty damn good mayor. Far too many people say he's a shitty mayor because he makes poor judgement outside of his role as mayor while conveniently ignoring that he has on paper been far more effective than past mayors of Toronto.

No he is not a good mayor and is a complete bafoon, who happens to be entertaining!! Had he ran against David Miller in 2010 he would have lost that election. He needs a plan and if he gets one his effectiveness will improve to the point he could be re-elected.

Futhermore he has completely rejected all of the transit plans that were proposed before he was elected (Transit City) and wants Subways. Its a great idea in theory but no one on Toronto including Ford wants to put forth any ideas on how to pay for it. They rejected funding plans last week!!

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 1):
You might not like him from a moral standpoint, I'm not sure anyone can, but you have to admit the guy gets done what he says is going to get done.

He really hasn't as his transit plans are dead along with his plans to build a casino are dead also for now.

The only thing I agree with him on is a plan for jets at YTZ.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2526 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 7):
Futhermore he has completely rejected all of the transit plans that were proposed before he was elected (Transit City) and wants Subways. Its a great idea in theory but no one on Toronto including Ford wants to put forth any ideas on how to pay for it. They rejected funding plans last week!!

Nonsense. I've head him say dozens of times that casino revenue would go directly to funding subway expansion. Also, the point of his "Stop The Gravy Train" plan is to erase the city's debt so that they have a surplus with which to afford subway expansion. That's really the reason so many people hate him, because he has a mandate to cut all the fluff that Miller allowed to put Toronto into a horrendous financial situation.

Ford makes the tough decisions that are better for the taxpayers, and that makes the taxpayers hate him. Funny how that works, eh?

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 7):
He really hasn't as his transit plans are dead along with his plans to build a casino are dead also for now.

Why do you think that is? I know the answer (I've already discussed it in this thread), but I look forward to hearing what your reasoning is.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 7):
The only thing I agree with him on is a plan for jets at YTZ.

Agreed. That's probably what I like best about Ford, and he's actually handled it surprisingly graciously.

But since you bring it up...At present, Olivia Chow is Ford's biggest threat in the coming election. Chow happens to be extremely anti-airport (not anti-jet, she actually opposes the whole airport). I hope for the sake of YTZ that Chow doesn't win, even if it means Ford wins and I have to put up with The Star's bellyaching for another few years.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 7):
complete bafoon

You realize Doug Ford and Rob Ford aren't the same person, right? That's another thing that Ford has working against him: his moron of a brother. Rob would be a lot better off if it weren't for Doug running his mouth all the time. Doug Ford is a thug who I have little respect for.



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User currently offlinesquared From Canada, joined May 2005, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 5):
Basically all I'm pointing out is that there is a group of people, apparently including our OP, that doesn't believe Ford should have even become mayor in the first place, despite the fact that the numbers will show he's a pretty good (strictly looking at him in his role as mayor).

That's correct. I didn't vote for Ford in the last election because his record on council showed him to be an arrogant hothead that would over-promise and under-deliver. I voted for Smitherman, not because I'm a "leftist", but because he was the lesser of two evils. I'm not exactly thrilled with an Olivia Chow candidacy, but frankly it will become an anyone-but-Ford election.

Despite what you may think, Ford's personal history does matter as mayor, especially when it impacts the way he governs the city. Ford seems to be wired in a way that makes him incompatible with compromise. This is a problem when council effectively runs the show, and Rob can't play nice to get things done. Not to mention, I'm tired of hearing about his personal issues, or how he's using city workers to "volunteer" for coaching his football team. The media is only a portion of this problem, Ford has the shoulder some blame too.

As to whether Ford has been a good mayor on paper, I can think of only a few positive things. The private garbage collectors are fine, and I like that he supports allowing jets at the Island Airport. But the critical thing Torontonians are worried about are: (1) The city's financial health (taxes and the "gravy train"); and (2) Transit. Ford has been lacklustre in both areas.

The mayor's Gravy Train turned out to be non-existent. KPMG found no mythological train laden with gravy that Torontonians were propelling with our tax dollars. Good sound-byte - very little has come out of this.

On the Transit front, fighting Transit City was a mistake. It was an affordable system that would serve the less densely populated inner suburbs with light rail that was compatible with such neighbourhoods. No more subways to nowhere... In the end, a hobbled version of Transit City became our transit plan, and it's much less effective in comparison.

Is there an alternative?

Of course: John Tory is the answer to those who are allergic to the more progressive/"leftist" candidates. At least Tory is thoughtful, articulate, and capable of compromise. Perhaps most importantly, no one would accuse him of huffing from a crack pipe (and have right-minded people give the accusations some credence).


User currently offlinehomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2242 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2480 times:

How can the mayor of a prominent North American city be so irresponsible as to smoke crack while being filmed? He must have been set up, like I was

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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

Quoting squared (Reply 9):
over-promise and under-deliver

...making Rob Ford like every other politician out there.

Quoting squared (Reply 9):
Ford's personal history does matter as mayor, especially when it impacts the way he governs the city.

How so? Are there any examples of how his personal history have directly impacted the mayoral decisions he's made?

Quoting squared (Reply 9):
Not to mention, I'm tired of hearing about his personal issues

Complain to The Star.

Quoting squared (Reply 9):
But the critical thing Torontonians are worried about are: (1) The city's financial health (taxes and the "gravy train"); and (2) Transit. Ford has been lacklustre in both areas.

Transit, maybe. But the city's financial health? Well the numbers tell a pretty positive story:

http://www.toronto.ca/budget2013/pdf/newsrelease_council.pdf
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04...et-surplus-as-high-as-270-million/

I'm trying to dig up more links but everything I search just gives me results about the topic story, making my search difficult. Anyway, Toronto's financial health has been improved immensely under Ford. Politicians lie, numbers don't.

Quoting squared (Reply 9):
The mayor's Gravy Train turned out to be non-existent. KPMG found no mythological train laden with gravy that Torontonians were propelling with our tax dollars. Good sound-byte - very little has come out of this.

I don't think you understand what the "Gravy Train" is. When campaigning, Ford pointed out numerous times that the Gravy Train was largely represented by an excess of workers at City Hall that were overpaid and underworked. By the end of 2011 he had laid-off most of those redundant positions. Once that was accomplished, the Gravy Train became about unnecessary non-labour expenditures in the budget. He slashed and burned overspending on the little things that amounted to huge debt at City Hall (much to the disdain of the left-leaning Councillors like Adam Vaughn who seem to have zero regard for the economic well-being of the city). Most recently, Fords mission to stop the Gravy Train has manifested itself in trying to kill the proposed plan to create a $1.2 million (!) bike station at City Hall.

If you look hard enough, there is a "Gravy Train" at City Hall.

Quoting squared (Reply 9):
Of course: John Tory is the answer to those who are allergic to the more progressive/"leftist" candidates. At least Tory is thoughtful, articulate, and capable of compromise. Perhaps most importantly, no one would accuse him of huffing from a crack pipe (and have right-minded people give the accusations some credence).

I agree 100%! John Tory could be the best thing to happen to Toronto if he decided to run for mayor. I would have no problem telling Ford to hit the road in favour of Tory.



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

This guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj8haZzvaE8


Well, maybe he was trying to lose some weight.  



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User currently offlinezbbylw From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1984 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

Quoting squared (Thread starter):
The mayor of the fifth largest city in North America was allegedly caught on video huffing from a crack pipe...

4th biggest now I believe. Link



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3359 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 8):
You realize Doug Ford and Rob Ford aren't the same person, right? That's another thing that Ford has working against him: his moron of a brother.

A lot of people think that Doug Ford is running the show behind the scenes.

Quoting squared (Reply 9):
Despite what you may think, Ford's personal history does matter as mayor, especially when it impacts the way he governs the city. Ford seems to be wired in a way that makes him incompatible with compromise.

Agreed, while it may not be a huge deal with the problems Toronto faces a mayor leaving a council meeting to coach football is not acceptable

Quoting squared (Reply 9):
John Tory is the answer to those who are allergic to the more progressive/"leftist" candidates. At least Tory is thoughtful, articulate, and capable of compromise. Perhaps most importantly, no one would accuse him of huffing from a crack pipe (and have right-minded people give the accusations some credence).

Tory would be great but I fear that politics here have become so partisan that a centre-right pragmatic guy might not be elected. He has lost the mayoral race before and lost provincially as well.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 8):
Why do you think that is? I know the answer (I've already discussed it in this thread), but I look forward to hearing what your reasoning is.

I don't see compromise on his behalf (the council isn't blameless here). The transit plan should be an all of the above solution and "Transit City" was more economical in terms of construction costs.

I would argue that Subways are good in some places but I think that Toronto should follow the models of Chicago, Melbourne, Sydney (all cities of similar size to Toronto) whom all have surface rail and light rail to access suburbs and a subway network that serves the central CBD which Toronto already has.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

The "Crackstarter" campaign that John Cook started is halfway to its goal with 6 days to go. It honestly makes me sick that this guy, who has no ties to Toronto whatsoever, is campaigning so heavily to give $200,000 to a drug-dealer. Looking through the comments section, it's mind-boggling to see so many people who say things like "$5 to get the mayor out is a small price to pay!", without realizing that they're small contribution is actually contributing to enriching people who do harm to the city. Furthermore, many of these people think that the police will get involved and arrest Ford once the video is made public, which will automatically kick him out of office. Well, that's not how it works. It's not actually illegal to smoke crack, just to possess it. Morons...

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 14):
A lot of people think that Doug Ford is running the show behind the scenes.

Wouldn't surprise me at all, he's definitely the dominant personality between the two. It's annoyingly obvious if you ever listen to their radio show on Sundays, Doug is always interrupting Rob and the other guests and making totally off-colour, usually inappropriate remarks.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 14):
Tory would be great but I fear that politics here have become so partisan that a centre-right pragmatic guy might not be elected. He has lost the mayoral race before and lost provincially as well.

It pains me to admit you may be correct. In both instances where he lost, it was to people who ended up being under immense scrutiny from the public. I don't think Tory would have had that problem, the guy is too genuine and straight-and-narrow to really piss off many people. Unfortunately, as goes in any democratic society, the people get what they vote for, and they lost out on a gem like Tory (who says on his show all the time that he won't be running again, a real shame).

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 14):
the council isn't blameless here

That's pretty much what I was getting at. There are far too many councilors of the "Always Vote Against Ford" persuasion. Yes, Ford isn't usually one for compromise, but there are nearly a dozen councilors who do the same just to spite a mayor who has different political ideals than them. Personal life aside, the guy has done a lot of financial good for the city with huge opposition, imagine how much he could do if it weren't for those who vote against him just for the sake of it?



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3359 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 15):
Personal life aside, the guy has done a lot of financial good for the city with huge opposition, imagine how much he could do if it weren't for those who vote against him just for the sake of it?

Those councilors are hardly a majority (a large majority opposed the casino) and the biggest issue is that no one agrees on how to pay for things in Toronto and tax hikes are inevitable and will be supported if they are used wisely. Something it would serve Rob Ford to consider or at least present to the city. Subways are the most expensive and takes the longest to build so present a plan to pay for it that the city will accept. That is the why the council was elected and Rob Ford is the leader of the city so they should come up with something. We agree that a guy like Tory would have no problem making a deal.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

Doug Holyday has just said that Rob Ford won't be commenting further on the allegations at the advice of his lawyer. As expected, all the comments on the article are of people understanding this as an automatic admission of guilt   

Rob Ford keeping quiet on lawyer's advice, deputy mayor says

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 16):
no one agrees on how to pay for things in Toronto and tax hikes are inevitable and will be supported if they are used wisely. Something it would serve Rob Ford to consider or at least present to the city.

Rob Ford campaigned on a platform of cutting costs instead of raising taxes, and that's exactly what he's trying to do.

But let's be real for second...could you imagine the Toronto Star headlines if Ford changed course and decided to raise taxes? It would be an absolute media gongshow.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 16):
Subways are the most expensive and takes the longest to build so present a plan to pay for it that the city will accept.

Well that was kind of the point of a downtown casino. But you can thank our unelected Premier for that one. I'm sure the fact that the OLG no longer has a a Chairman or Board of Directors played a huge role in the overwhelming council vote.  



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3359 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 17):
Well that was kind of the point of a downtown casino. But you can thank our unelected Premier for that one. I'm sure the fact that the OLG no longer has a a Chairman or Board of Directors played a huge role in the overwhelming council vote.  

Lets consider that a blessing because the greedy OLG would make sure Toronto saw none of that money. In many ways the biggest enemy to City Hall is Queen's park.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 17):
Rob Ford campaigned on a platform of cutting costs instead of raising taxes, and that's exactly what he's trying to do.

Which is why he should have endorsed Transit City as it's cheaper and not made efforts to antagonize Karen Stintz for her proposals for the TTC (that could be mostly Doug though).

Him not being consistent is what bugs me the most as well as him cutting things that really don't cost a lot but could cost the city more.

The time when he was caught reading in his car on the Gardiner explains this exactly. He thinks not having a driver would add to the Gravy Train however its a small cost and had he been involved in an accident the lost productivity from the resulting Traffic would have costed the city way more than that driver would have. It also would have made him more productive and less stressed out. Corporate Executives have drivers as well and do you see their shareholders complaining about that?



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 18):
Lets consider that a blessing because the greedy OLG would make sure Toronto saw none of that money.

A blessing? Say what you will about Godfrey, under his tenure he has greatly increased OLG revenue. Wynne shouldn't have let her anti-gaming agenda blind her so much so that she would effectively cripple a major revenue source for her own government!

As for the greediness of the OLG, Rob Ford is nothing if not stubborn. I like to think he would fight doggedly to ensure most of that profit stayed in Toronto city limits. Even so, there's no denying the economic benefit outside of the MGM balance sheet, such as jobs, tourism and conferences.

John Tory predicted a few weeks back that the downtown casino plan would fail and that a plan to build a full casino at Woodbine would succeed. I've got a feeling that may actually come to fruition.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 18):
In many ways the biggest enemy to City Hall is Queen's park.

Too true. I've heard talk about Doug Ford running for provincial government too   

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 18):
Which is why he should have endorsed Transit City as it's cheaper and not made efforts to antagonize Karen Stintz for her proposals for the TTC (that could be mostly Doug though).

I'm pretty indifferent on the transit issue. I tend to lean towards subways only because streetcars are a pain in the a** to get stuck behind when I'm driving downtown.

I don't care very much for Stintz. If there's anything good to say about her, it's that she's better than the Chair who preceded her.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 18):
It also would have made him more productive and less stressed out.


   As a taxpayer, I would prefer my mayor have a driver. Less time driving, more time working.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3359 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2083 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 19):
I'm pretty indifferent on the transit issue. I tend to lean towards subways only because streetcars are a pain in the a** to get stuck behind when I'm driving downtown.

You are indifferent because you don't have to deal with the 401 from YYZ to the 400 during the day  . IIRC most of the new streetcars would be dedicated light rail like you would find on Spadina which is not really an issue for drivers.



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User currently offlinejamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1877 times:

For those of you who actually think Ford is some sort of financial messiah for the city, Metro breaks down some of the Fords' claims. Like most things coming out of the Fords' mouths, it is almost all horse shit.

http://metronews.ca/voices/ford-for-...-fiscal-record-challenge-accepted/


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

Quoting jamincan (Reply 21):
For those of you who actually think Ford is some sort of financial messiah for the city, Metro breaks down some of the Fords' claims. Like most things coming out of the Fords' mouths, it is almost all horse shit.

http://metronews.ca/voices/ford-for-...-fiscal-record-challenge-accepted/

   So this is what Metro is passing for journalism these days?! I'm going to venture a guess and say that this Matt Elliot guy got his degree from Everest College.

In that entire article he only disproved one thing...one thing! Worse than that, everything he was trying to disprove came out of Doug Ford's mouth. I just checked the city website to make sure, and yes, Rob Ford is still the mayor, not Doug Ford. It's no secret that Doug is a thorn in Rob's side and cannot be taken seriously.

Next please...

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 20):
You are indifferent because you don't have to deal with the 401 from YYZ to the 400 during the day

Fair enough. 95% of the time that I'm going eastbound on the 401 I usually get off at the 427, for obvious reasons  



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12424 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1598 times:

As seen on FB:




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User currently offlineyowza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4870 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

Looks like the scandal has dissipated. Despite the exodus of his staff Ford looks to be sitting pretty. Shame...

YOWza



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6591 posts, RR: 9
Reply 25, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 15):
listen to their radio show on Sundays, Doug is always interrupting Rob
Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 15):
Tory (who says on his show

So, do you need a show to be mayor of Toronto ?



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 26, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1518 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 25):
So, do you need a show to be mayor of Toronto ?

Well, John Tory didn't get a show until after he lost the election  
Quoting yowza (Reply 24):
Looks like the scandal has dissipated. Despite the exodus of his staff Ford looks to be sitting pretty. Shame...

Don't worry, yowza. The Star will cook up another story in the next few weeks.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3359 posts, RR: 9
Reply 27, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1500 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 26):
Well, John Tory didn't get a show until after he lost the election  

Two actually, he also lost provincially in 2007.

Quoting yowza (Reply 24):
Looks like the scandal has dissipated. Despite the exodus of his staff Ford looks to be sitting pretty. Shame..

I think someone in the family probably Doug (who is running the show with Rob being the puppet) actually bought the video and the scandal isn't really dead because one of the guys in the photo was killed and the other was arrested in Ft. McMurray IIRC.

Furthermore the house that the photo was taken has been identified and the owner or tenant has been connected to cocaine dealing.

In today's digital world copies probably have been made and someone has it somewhere or it can be found. Perhaps Anonymous can get on this .



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 28, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1484 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 27):
Two actually, he also lost provincially in 2007.

There's no such thing as "mayor of Ontario"  
Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 27):
Doug [...] actually bought the video and the scandal isn't really dead because one of the guys in the photo was killed and the other was arrested in Ft. McMurray IIRC.

If you're taking bets, I want in.

Even left wing commentators like John Moore and John Downs dismiss the notion that one of the Fords bought the tape. As tantalizing as it is, even Doug Ford is smart enough to know that buying the drug dealers off is too risky. It doesn't take a genius to know that that they would obviously have a copy of the tape (as you so mention).



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26415 posts, RR: 75
Reply 29, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1419 times:

Quoting squared (Thread starter):
If true, this is yet another example of Rob Ford's lack of judgment. The fact that this man has somehow become mayor of Canada's largest city is just mind-boggling.

Truly is.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):
Maybe it was part of a weight loss plan?

LOL

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 1):
I'd still have to go with Ford, being the lesser of two evils.

Yeah - don't see that. Ford has been a colossal embarrassment for Toronto and has regressed from the stellar job Miller did - especially in the wake of the massive downturn in tourism from SARS.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 5):
or how he used his official letterhead to ask for donations to a charity he supports (to which the left called for him to be kicked out of office

The Left? More like a civil rights lawyer who knew what he was talking about. What Ford did was the definition of corruption.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 8):
But since you bring it up...At present, Olivia Chow is Ford's biggest threat in the coming election. Chow happens to be extremely anti-airport (not anti-jet, she actually opposes the whole airport). I hope for the sake of YTZ that Chow doesn't win

In the grand scheme of things, YTZ is not an issue over which to pick a mayor. Also, Chow would have to contend with provincial and federal level road blocks to closing YTZ - not to mention the critical mass it has gained in traffic. Further, he general political bent would be perfect.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 18):
Which is why he should have endorsed Transit City as it's cheaper and not made efforts to antagonize Karen Stintz for her proposals for the TTC (that could be mostly Doug though).

The reason Ford did that is because he knew more subway would be too expensive, so TTC growth would stagnate. Typical anti-transport move.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 22):
Fair enough. 95% of the time that I'm going eastbound on the 401 I usually get off at the 427, for obvious reasons

I prefer driving slightly west on the 401, then to Highway 8 and off at Sportsworld.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 30, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1415 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
the stellar job Miller did

The criticisms of Miller run fairly deep, not unlike Ford. So what makes Miller such a "stellar" mayor? Is staying out of the media's crosshairs all it takes?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
The Left?

I hate doing the whole "left vs. right" thing, but the schism in Toronto City Hall between left and right wing councilors is painfully obvious. If you follow Toronto politics, there are indeed left-leaning councilors who have made it their mission to oppose anything that Rob Ford tries to accomplish. It's a real petty way to do politics no matter what side of the political spectrum they come from, and in this particular case it's the left.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
More like a civil rights lawyer who knew what he was talking about.

Clayton Ruby was hired by a man who had a bone to pick with the mayor.

Not that I have anything bad to say about Ruby, but if he really knew what he was talking about he would have been able to see the case was going to fall before going in front of all those cameras.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
What Ford did was the definition of corruption.

If what Ford did was the definition of corruption, then what's your opinion on Joe Fontana, Gilles Vaillancourt, Gerald Tremblay, or good ol' Hazel McCallion? Even if Ford were found guilty, it pales in comparison to the fraud and conflicts of interest committed by the other aforementioned mayors.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
not to mention the critical mass it has gained in traffic

They're only at critical mass due to slot restrictions. As far as infrastructure and capacity goes, YTZ still has a ways to go before they're at their true critical mass.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
I prefer driving slightly west on the 401, then to Highway 8 and off at Sportsworld.

The endless stream of C172s out that way, interrupted by only 2 E-jets and one 736 per day, gets pretty boring   



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26415 posts, RR: 75
Reply 31, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1386 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 30):
So what makes Miller such a "stellar" mayor?

Managing Toronto in the wake of the major hit it took from SARS was something a lesser person wouldn't have handled.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 30):
there are indeed left-leaning councilors who have made it their mission to oppose anything that Rob Ford tries to accomplish

As they should - its 1) what their constituents want and 2) good because he's a moron.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 30):
The endless stream of C172s out that way, interrupted by only 2 E-jets and one 736 per day, gets pretty boring

Yeah, but driving 14 minutes door to check-in counter is nicer than 45.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 30):
They're only at critical mass due to slot restrictions. As far as infrastructure and capacity goes, YTZ still has a ways to go before they're at their true critical mass.

I said critical mass, not at capacity. YTZ is too economically viable now to just be closed.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 32, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1377 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 31):
Managing Toronto in the wake of the major hit it took from SARS was something a lesser person wouldn't have handled.

That is very true. Although his handling of budget issues was less-than-stellar.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 31):
As they should - its 1) what their constituents want

The constituents are the ones who voted Ford in. Since he hasn't deviated from the platform he campaigned on, how can you say that it's what the constituents want? I would hope that the good citizens of Toronto aren't so easily swayed by a newspaper with grudge and changed their minds based on petty personal issues.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 31):
2) good because he's a moron.

So the councilors should vote against the mayor, even if the the motion is for the betterment of the city, simply "because he's a moron"? Such a line of reasoning would make me reconsider who the "moron" is.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 31):
Yeah, but driving 14 minutes door to check-in counter is nicer than 45.

It definitely is, but my most frequent destination is YUL, so YKF isn't any good to me there (the Bearskin YKF-YUL service was rather short-lived unfortunately). It's also a real pain that WS and AA never offer fare specials to/from YKF...

Quoting N1120A (Reply 31):
YTZ is too economically viable now to just be closed.

Well I was never suggesting Chow would try to do anything that drastic! But she would surely not promote the airport's growth. I feel she would try to appease the NIMBYs, rather than just ignore them. As far as anyone in this forum is concerned, that's a point in the Ford column.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26415 posts, RR: 75
Reply 33, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1211 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 32):
The constituents are the ones who voted Ford in.

In a power vacuum with fractioned opposition. Not exactly a "mandate".

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 32):
It's also a real pain that WS and AA never offer fare specials to/from YKF...

I often find YKF cheaper than YYZ - or one way cheaper to one and one the other.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 32):
As far as anyone in this forum is concerned, that's a point in the Ford column.

Anyone? I really don't think Ford gives a rat's patootie about YTZ.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 32):
But she would surely not promote the airport's growth.

Its never going to grow THAT much, unless you do something crazy like landfill Lake Ontario.



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