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Why (And How) Mark Sandford Won Election  
User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

I suppose many are still complaining about "why" and "how" Mark Sandford won the recent election to the House of Representatives; it took a lot of reading and research, but I now have it all "boiled down" so anyone who is able to read English should have no trouble understanding.

The last I noticed, almost everyone on A.net was bemoaning that ....."Sandford is a schmuck", "Sandford did this", "Sandford did that"........but I also noticed a total lack of any mention of Mr. Sanford's opponent, one Elizabeth Colbert Busch. So.....I started looking "into" Mrs. Busch; apparently, I'm not the only one who has "looked into" Mrs. Busch; the I.W.V. ( "Independent Women's Voice" ) also "looked into" Mrs. Busch, rather throughly; and apparently what they found left them VERY "unimpressed" by Mrs. Busch. The I.W.V. spent 250 K on political adds, which focused mainly on Mrs. Busch's stance on several issues, including her refusal to sign a pledge to repeal Obamacare; Imagine that ! Seems like there are some SMART Ladies down in South Carolina ! ( Way to go, Ladies ! ) She had an unfavorable rating of just 33 percent before the IWV ads began running, but that jumped to 41 percent among late-deciding voters while the ads were running in the last week of the campaign.

Research conducted by IWV two weeks before the election showed Mrs. Busch's position on major issues — Obamacare, unions, raising the debt ceiling — were well outside the mainstream of the district's electorate, observed RCP, ( Real Clear Politics ), which called Obamacare the "silver bullet" that persuaded undecideds to vote for Sanford.

It seems that female voters were more likely than men to cite Obamacare as the main reason for voting for Sanford, RCP writer Bill Pascoe pointed out. ( Thank you Bill ! ) ( Bill also made a VERY important point, which I completely agree with, but because it explains in detail why the ladies of I.W.V. "strategy" was so effective, I'm NOT going to share THAT with you ). ( They may need to use it again, don't you see ?)

Let's face it; before this race for the House seat, I didn't even know that the idiot Steven Colbert had a sister; but when I found out that he not only had one, but that said sister was running against former Governor Mark Sandford for a seat in the House of Representatives; Obviously, anyone who is Steven Colbert's sister is from the same "gene pool"........which fact alone would be sufficient to make most normal, responsible people quite dubious, and apparently the good ladies of the I.W.V. were "dubious" enough to raise 250 K, mount a huge campaign, and send Mrs. Busch back home, kicking and screaming !
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So now you know "why" (and "how") Mark Sandford got elected.

Charley


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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
the I.W.V. ( "Independent Women's Voice" ) also "looked into" Mrs. Busch, rather throughly; and apparently what they found left them VERY "unimpressed" by Mrs. Busch.

Wow! A right-wing organisation was unimpressed by a Democratic candidate! Say it isn't so!  Wow!



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6653 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

So basically to win she should have supported republican ideals ? Well, what's the point then ?

Doesn't the GOP have better propositions than repelling obamacare ? Wasn't that law voted on years ago ?



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
Obviously, anyone who is Steven Colbert's sister is from the same "gene pool"........which fact alone would be sufficient to make most normal, responsible people quite dubious

"The same gene pool"... do you ever consider your words before you post one of these threads?

[Edited 2013-05-19 13:03:48]


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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1833 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 1895 times:

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
I started looking "into" Mrs. Busch; apparently, I'm not the only one who has "looked into" Mrs. Busch; the I.W.V. ( "Independent Women's Voice" ) also "looked into" Mrs. Busch, rather throughly; and apparently what they found left them VERY "unimpressed" by Mrs. Busch.

Well I started looking "into" the IWV. They're a conservative organization and they aren't shy about it. What is so surprising that they would go against a Democrat? Imagine that!

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
RCP writer Bill Pascoe pointed out. ( Thank you Bill ! ) ( Bill also made a VERY important point, which I completely agree with, but because it explains in detail why the ladies of I.W.V. "strategy" was so effective, I'm NOT going to share THAT with you ). ( They may need to use it again, don't you see ?)

You mean the Bill Pascoe article that is published for everyone to see on the IWV home page?

I don't care much for secrets, so here it is: ObamaCare Propels Mark Sanford Back Into Office

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
The I.W.V. spent 250 K on political adds, which focused mainly on Mrs. Busch's stance on several issues, including her refusal to sign a pledge to repeal Obamacare; Imagine that ! Seems like there are some SMART Ladies down in South Carolina ! ( Way to go, Ladies ! )

The IWV is in Washington D.C., not South Carolina.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 1871 times:

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
Research conducted by IWV two weeks before the election showed Mrs. Busch's position on major issues — Obamacare, unions, raising the debt ceiling — were well outside the mainstream of the district's electorate, observed RCP, ( Real Clear Politics ), which called Obamacare the "silver bullet" that persuaded undecideds to vote for Sanford.

This is new, never before discussed on a.net info about Busch? LOL, you obviously didn't read my posts in the previous thread. ::shaking head::



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 1840 times:

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
I suppose many are still complaining about "why" and "how" Mark Sandford won the recent election to the House of Representatives; it took a lot of reading and research, but I now have it all "boiled down" so anyone who is able to read English should have no trouble understanding.

Uh I thought it was fairly obvious why he won. He was a Republican in SC for one, and the opponent ran a sloppy smear campaign

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
I didn't even know that the idiot Steven Colbert

Ah, back from your ban with a bang!



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User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
you obviously didn't read my posts

Why would I want to ? You very seldom say anything I'm interested in

Quoting aloges (Reply 3):
do you ever consider your words before you post one of these threads?

Always !

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 4):
The IWV is in Washington D.C., not South Carolina.

And your point is ? I don't recall saying it was "anyplace"



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User currently onlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3098 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

Topics? How about putting a rather weak candidate in a solidly red district?

That's like putting a Republican to run in DC. Odds are that no matter how well that Republican campaigns and is connected with the people, if he ain't a Democrat, he won't go.

That argument you bring up might resound more in a toss-up district. I was just hoping that the people would cast their votes on something other than party affiliation. No wonder people end up so uninterested in politics: candidate X has all the ideals I believe in but doesn't belong to party A, so I won't vote for him.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 1748 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 7):
Why would I want to ? You very seldom say anything I'm interested in

Obviously it was interesting enough to do all that research and begin a whole new thread about it!   



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 1747 times:

I still don't see the point of the thread. I mean I can understand someone begrudgingly voting for who they see as a hypocrite (preaching family values, cheats on his wife while vanishing without anyone knowing) when they are closer aligned politically than the opponent, but you seem to be going out of your way to celebrate the fact he got elected despite his cheating and saying it's the "smart choice."

Honestly, I could care less what a guy/girl does as long as they can be effective in office, but it is shady when you belong to a party that preaches family values then you go and do that. And vanishing from office is not very good, I don't care what your personal beliefs are.

What is the point of this thread? Are you happy that he cheated? Will you be ok if he supports "family values" after this? Your glee seems strange, I'm sure republican voters in SC aren't exactly thrilled with Sanford and saw him as a necessary evil rather than vote in a Democrat



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8538 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 1715 times:

Let's get this clear, Steven Colbert is one of the smartest people who has ever appeared on television. What he does is very hard work. He's a master at what he does.

User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11654 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

*facepalm*

The same people who are fine with a governor abandoning his state and then electing him to a different position are the same people who want a one party nation. The ones who say "if you are against us, you hate America!" Funny how "freedom of speech" means "whatever I believe is the only thing you need to support."

That's another thing: When the right runs attack ads ad nauseum, they say "Well, we are just telling the truth!" or "But no one will be interested if we run boring ads." But, when a Democrat does the exact same thing, it is blasphemy. How dare she run attack ads!



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8269 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
Independent Women's Voice

I Googled them and the first listing included:

Quote:

A voice for the mainstream. IWV is dedicated to promoting limited government, free markets, and personal responsibility.

Google Independent Women's Voice and you'll find they are not "independent"

and in a Political story:

Quote:

Independent Women’s Voice is another group that is suddenly flexing its muscles. IWV has invested more than a half-million dollars in key 2010 races — not enough to leave a big footprint in races but a significant amount for an organization that had never previously spent money on elections.

Already, IWV’s presence has been felt: In May, the group was the only outside organization on the airwaves in Hawaii’s House special election, spending about $250,000.

Heather Higgins, the organization’s president and chief executive officer and a longtime conservative activist, says the group is planning an independent expenditure campaign in the fall.
[/quote

http://www.politico.com//news/stories/0610/38583.html

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
She had an unfavorable rating of just 33 percent before the IWV ads began running, but that jumped to 41 percent among late-deciding voters while the ads were running in the last week of the campaign.

So the IWV spent a lot of money throwing mud on a woman candidate while supporting a slag of a man who was shacking up with some bimbo while he was still married. Only conservative women's groups would support a guy who treated his wife that way. The guy is a mental midget as shown by his treatment with his wife, his trespassing after the divorce, etc. Should make a find GOP Representative as he will simply do what he is told to do. Basically your low level lap dog

[quote=Geezer,reply=0]So now you know "why" (and "how") Mark Sandford got elected.

Not difficult to understand - it's called C-A-S-H

Thanks to the Supreme Court we find that Money owns the political process like never before.


User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 1614 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 14):
Steven Colbert is one of the smartest people who has ever appeared on television. What he does is very hard work. He's a master at what he does.

If that clown is "one of the smartest", I would sure hate to see one of the dumbest ! Yeah, he's a "master" all right.....a master baiter !

If someone from outer Mongolia got on A.net and read all of these replies, they would almost think everyone who is yelling and screaming here , was disappointed that former Governor Sanford won the recent election; here's a great idea, and a guarantee; I can absolutely, money-back guarantee you that.........in two years from now, he's going to be running again for re-election; maybe you should all move to South Carolina ASAP, register to vote, then two years from now you can vote against him ! I would be willing to drive down to South Carolina and take your group photo when former Governor Sanford ( and the ladies of the I.W.V. ) win that election also.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 16):
Thanks to the Supreme Court we find that Money owns the political process like never before.

You were just delighted with them when they ruled in favor of your hero's un-affordable healthcare "act"



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 1611 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 18):
a master baiter !

In another recent thread, you were railing on about how someone had made a crude remark, and demanding an apology.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 13):
What is the point of this thread?

Apparently, we've found out. A nonsense opening to ridicule, as a setup to be belligerent to those who respond to it. A desperate, pathetic attempt at using the internet, if you ask me.



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 15):

Oh......before I forget.........you may think references to explicit sex acts is O.K. on a public forum visited by ladies and young children; I DON"T; furthermore, I think you need to apologize for making that disgusting remark.
Quoting Geezer (Reply 18):

If that clown is "one of the smartest", I would sure hate to see one of the dumbest ! Yeah, he's a "master" all right.....a master baiter !

Can it get more hypocritical or pathetic?


I'd also fall over if you could make an educated critique on Colbert. Have you ever even watched his show?



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11654 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 1558 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 14):
If someone from outer Mongolia got on A.net and read all of these replies, they would almost think everyone who is yelling and screaming here , was disappointed that former Governor Sanford won the recent election;

Well, yes. Because, the fact is Sanford deserted the people of South Carolina. Sanford is part of a political sect who believes in marriage between one man and one woman is sacred. He lied to his wife to be with his mistress and he lied to the people of South Carolina.

Apparently, people in that district of South Carolina can forgive liars and cheats. Only if they put an (R) behind their name. Otherwise, if any other letter is behind their name, that person MUST be held to impossibly high standards.

Look at Anthony Wiener. He simply texted pictures of himself to a woman and he was forced from office. His party does not tow the same "biblical" standard. He was removed from office over a private matter. He did not abandon the people of his district.

It's called a double standard. Anyone from Outer Mongolia would see that and see what a shame it is for the people of South Carolina to elect a fraud and liar again and that so many people still support him even with lesser issues from opposing candidates.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8538 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 1525 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 14):
If that clown is "one of the smartest", I would sure hate to see one of the dumbest ! Yeah, he's a "master" all right.....a master baiter !

Clown, perhaps. His employer is Comedy Central.

Then we look at Mark Sanford's employment record... and family history. Who is the bigger clown, really?


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1833 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 1494 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 7):
And your point is ? I don't recall saying it was "anyplace"

I believe you did:

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
the I.W.V. ( "Independent Women's Voice" ) also "looked into" Mrs. Busch, rather throughly; and apparently what they found left them VERY "unimpressed" by Mrs. Busch. The I.W.V. spent 250 K on political adds, which focused mainly on Mrs. Busch's stance on several issues, including her refusal to sign a pledge to repeal Obamacare; Imagine that ! Seems like there are some SMART Ladies down in South Carolina ! ( Way to go, Ladies ! )

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Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):
Will you be ok if he supports "family values" after this?

I'm certain his advisers are making sure he stays away from that. They know full-well that if he ever goes anywhere near that topic again it will bite him in the ass, as it should.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):
Quoting Geezer (Reply 18):
a master baiter !

In another recent thread, you were railing on about how someone had made a crude remark, and demanding an apology.

Indeed. I believe it was when Doc said "blowjob", and then Charley went on to use the term "jerk off" in the very same post. It would appear masturbatory references are kosher but everything else is terribly offensive and requisite of an apology.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):
Honestly, I could care less what a guy/girl does as long as they can be effective in office

You should go over to the Rob Ford (Toronto Mayor) thread and say that. I did and got roasted for it.



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 11):
Let's get this clear, Steven Colbert is one of the smartest people who has ever appeared on television. What he does is very hard work. He's a master at what he does.

        

Quoting Geezer (Reply 14):
If that clown is "one of the smartest", I would sure hate to see one of the dumbest !

Just watch Fox. The place is crawling with them.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1833 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 1472 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 20):
Who would WANT to look at him ? Certainly not ME ! And yes, he "simply" texted pictures of......"himself" ? You seem to have conveniently forgotten which "part" of "himself" was featured in the text message; Sending pictures of your genitalia to ladies you don't even know may be "OK" in YOUR book, but I'm sure if YOU were to try the same stunt, right here on Airliners.net, you will quickly learn that DECENT people don't think it's "OK". ( And no need to argue with me, just try it and let us know what happens )

How is that worse than abandoning your state and cheating on your wife?

We should try a fun experiment. Go ask your significant other what is worse: A) Sending a couple dickies to random women on Twitter, or B) Shacking up with some women down in Argentina for a few days. Post the answer here once you have it.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 20):
In YOUR hypocritical and pathetic RANT !

If jpetekyxmd80's two sentences are a rant...then what are your posts?



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 1467 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 20):
Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 16):
Can it get more hypocritical or pathetic?

I just DID !

Which is why most of us are sitting in bemusement at why you continue to post in this bizarre fashion.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 20):
the chances that your "ranting and raving" will change ANYTHING are zero, and two hours later, absolutely NOTHING will have changed

Good advice you should highly consider taking yourself.



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User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2592 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 1459 times:

Isn't there a law against "apostrophe" and CAP LOCK abuse?

If not, there oughta be!
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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11654 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1419 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 20):
Who would WANT to look at him ? Certainly not ME ! And yes, he "simply" texted pictures of......"himself" ? You seem to have conveniently forgotten which "part" of "himself" was featured in the text message;

So, according to your infinite wisdom for the ages, simply texting a picture to another adult is a worse offense than putting "yourself" inside another consenting adult thousands of miles away without your wife or your constituents knowing. Try that and let me know how that works out.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 25, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1398 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 14):
Yeah, he's a "master" all right.....a master baiter !

Wow, before you got banned, you yelled at someone for making sexual remarks because "women and children visit this site"

What do you have against Colbert? I am not saying there aren't logical reasons for hating them, I just have a sneaking suspicion that he's a clown (in your words) because he makes fun of Republicans more than he makes fun of Democrats (yeah, he does that too.) What is your logical reason for not liking him?

Quoting Geezer (Reply 14):
If someone from outer Mongolia got on A.net and read all of these replies, they would almost think everyone who is yelling and screaming here , was disappointed that former Governor Sanford won the recent election;

No that person would see not many people caring until you made the thread and people simply disagreeing with your strange line of thinking. Not even most of the resident conservatives are chiming in because they realize that the guy goofed, even if they'd take the necessary evil and prefer him over the opponent. Point is, no ones really offering a ringing endorsement except you for some strange reason

Quoting Geezer (Reply 14):
here's a great idea, and a guarantee; I can absolutely, money-back guarantee you that.........in two years from now, he's going to be running again for re-election; maybe you should all move to South Carolina ASAP, register to vote, then two years from now you can vote against him
You started this thread! You're acting like there have been a million posts about him and we just can't stop talking about him! We made our points and moved on, then after your ban, you decided to start a new thread about it. And we are the ones making a big deal about it?

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 19):
You should go over to the Rob Ford (Toronto Mayor) thread and say that. I did and got roasted for it.

Ha, well I mainly meant affairs and all. Breaking the law is bad even if I disagree with many drug laws. I could see crack becoming a problem for someone in office, but for the most part, I don't care what people do as long as they don't affect others



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 26, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1308 times:

So are we ever going to a get a reason why Stephen Colbert is an idiot other than 'cuz i said so?


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User currently offlineredflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4327 posts, RR: 28
Reply 27, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1248 times:

And in other news, The Weiner has tossed his hat into the ring to run for Mayor of NYC.

I guess wife-cheating, dishonest public servants come in all political stripes. Not to mention they have no limits on ambition.



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11654 posts, RR: 15
Reply 28, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1229 times:

Quoting redflyer (Reply 27):
I guess wife-cheating, dishonest public servants come in all political stripes. Not to mention they have no limits on ambition.

He's gonna have problems getting elected to that job: He didn't flee the country and lie to his staff...



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User currently offlinerandyh3253 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

As a native South Carolinian, I have no problem with Sanford. He was a great Governor for the state despite his shortcomings. He reformed not only our public schools to get us from dead last in the nation in terms of education, spear headed reform to our public university systems, and greatly reduced the state debt. He vetoed pork budgets and cut state spending. He was great at pro growth tax reforms for the state and limiting state spending. He helped mentor our current Gov. Nikki Haley who has very similar views and has done a great job as well for the state. Yes, I am a Republican and he shares most of my ideals and values as well as the ideas of the majority of South Carolinians. Everyone makes mistakes but he paid the price and has went through a very public fallout. As far as I'm concerned he's shown me and the state how humble and sorry he is/was to his shortcomings. While running for Congress, Sanford started off every campaign speech with an apology and what has changed in his life and what he has learned for the events of his affair. I'm more sympathetic towards him than President Clinton and John Edwards due to the steps and remorse Governor Sanford has shown. Not sure why the left has such a problem with Gov. Sanford when they seem to want to wash Pres. Clinton's shortcomings under the rug. Im proud of the entire SC politicians that are representing this state in D.C., I know I'm biased but we have one of the best congressional teams of any state who are championing smaller government, pro business growth, and standing up for the people who sent them there. Its great to see people like Sen. Graham, Sen. Scott, and Rep. Gowdy just to name a few who are demanding answers from a lot of these scandals the White House is embroiled in.

[Edited 2013-05-27 17:51:30]

[Edited 2013-05-27 17:52:24]

User currently onlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3098 posts, RR: 8
Reply 30, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1107 times:

Quoting randyh3253 (Reply 29):
As far as I'm concerned he's shown me and the state how humble and sorry he is/was to his shortcomings.

The problem I have is this:

Quoting randyh3253 (Reply 29):
Not sure why the left has such a problem with Gov. Sanford when they seem to want to wash Pres. Clinton's shortcomings under the rug.

If the left is involved in a scandal like this, they'd never hear the end of it. The person will be dead and still 100 years after, the right will still be taking about it. Now, when it's a person from the right, then we MUST understand that people make mistakes, and by saying sorry once or twice, everything's fine and dandy. Notice how Clinton has been an ex-president for 12 years and still the Lewinsky scandal comes up. However, the Sanford conduct must be forgiven/forgotten.

It's the "Well if Clinton was involved in something like this and was unaffected, then Sanford also deserves a chance". mentality that I dislike in a way. It was much more than this. It's about a person that is married, that belongs to a party that puts traditional values and marriage at the top of their priority list and that doesn't think twice before "investigating and prosecuting" any misuse of public funds and inappropriate conduct in an elected office, going against all that.

Now I'm not from South Carolina (much less from the District he's representing) so I can't post an opinion of him, but I can tell you that even if a person of my party was involved in a scandal like this I would not hesitate to call him/her out and vote against him (in primary or a general election).



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11654 posts, RR: 15
Reply 31, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1086 times:

Quoting randyh3253 (Reply 29):
Not sure why the left has such a problem with Gov. Sanford when they seem to want to wash Pres. Clinton's shortcomings under the rug.

The only similarity is: both men were cheating on their wives. Clinton did not lie to his staffers and the country about what country he was in. What makes things even worse for Sanford, in the eyes of the left, his own party keeps beating the drum of "family values" every election cycle. The left knows people are human. The left understands that people cheat and make mistakes. The left knows it is wrong but willing to forgive. That is why the left does not make "family values" a voting issue. The left has a huge problem of "do what I say, not what I do" and that is what the left has a problem with where Sanford is concerned. He is spouting a huge and loud "do what I say, not what I do."



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User currently offlineBoeing717200 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1055 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 31):
The only similarity is: both men were cheating on their wives. Clinton did not lie to his staffers and the country about what country he was in. What makes things even worse for Sanford, in the eyes of the left, his own party keeps beating the drum of "family values" every election cycle. The left knows people are human. The left understands that people cheat and make mistakes. The left knows it is wrong but willing to forgive. That is why the left does not make "family values" a voting issue. The left has a huge problem of "do what I say, not what I do" and that is what the left has a problem with where Sanford is concerned. He is spouting a huge and loud "do what I say, not what I do."

Stafford wasn't President, and the person he was cheating with wasn't a powerless star struck intern. What Clinton did demonstrated and absolute abuse of power, How the feminist left let him walk on it while whining incessantly about Sanford only demonstrates the absurd double standards of the left.

Sanford won because the left couldn't field a viable candidate to beat him. That says less about Sanford and more about his opponent..


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 33, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1055 times:

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
Sandford
Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 32):
Stafford

Who are these people, and what do they have to do with this thread?



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User currently offlineBoeing717200 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1055 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 33):

Why, they look like auto-type generated typos in a forum. Oh the horror! Damn you tablet!!!, Damn you!!!

Big version: Width: 581 Height: 265 File size: 25kb
No!


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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 35, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1033 times:

Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 32):
Sanford won because the left couldn't field a viable candidate to beat him.

Sanford won because it's South Carolina and a strongly conservative district. Mitt Romney won that district by 18 points last year, so it's no shock that Sanford won.


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11654 posts, RR: 15
Reply 36, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1027 times:

Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 32):
What Clinton did demonstrated and absolute abuse of power, How the feminist left let him walk on it while whining incessantly about Sanford only demonstrates the absurd double standards of the left.

No. Actually, no one wanted Clinton to walk. Everyone agrees that Clinton cheating was a bad thing. However, as I pointed out before, the really absurd and bizarre thing is the right screaming about "family values" and how this "Christian" nation needs to vote for "family values" like one man/one woman but they do not hold those within their own party to those lofty standards.

Like Newt Gingrich. Most of his policies were opposed by Democrats, but he was seen as more moderate. But, the thing most on the left found really absurd and a huge double standard is he was on his third wife. Who had been his third (that we know of) mistress. Democrats had to hold him up to his own party's standards.

Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 32):
Sanford won because the left couldn't field a viable candidate to beat him. That says less about Sanford and more about his opponent..

I think a majority of people in that district just could not bring themselves to vote Democrat because of what they had been told about Democrats. How ALL Democrats are socialist and how ALL Democrats are evil and how All Democrats...

Plus, the mud slinging only works on the right because they have the media on their side. It does not matter how great your plans are. If the media is against you, you have lost.



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