flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7435 posts, RR: 7 Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4760 times:
Pictures coming in from Helicopters of the damage from a massive 1.5 mile wide tornado hitting the outskirts of Oklahoma City. Parts of neighborhoods are destroyed, nothing left. Two schools have been completely destroyed. Terrible pictures, hopefully casualties won't be too high but it sure does look horrible. One of the worst if not the worst tornado scenes I have ever seen.
okie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3450 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4734 times:
About 4 miles south of me.
Serious concern here since house was leveled in the May 3 1999 tornado. It started out on similar path but turned to an eastward movement.
Massive hail here sounded like elephants were dancing on roof.
From all the local tv channel feeds it appears to have only been about a 1/2 mile wide.
Massive pile of vehicles on I-35 that were caught in the storm.
okie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3450 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4720 times:
Quoting flymia (Reply 2): National TV is saying 1.5 miles to 2 miles
I think they are talking debris field an minor damage, the actual scouring of the ground and total destruction looks to be only
1/2 mile wide but I will monitor and get back. An F4 for sure maybe an F5
The tornado was on the ground for 12 to 14 miles it appears at this point.
The area that was hit was pretty high density suburban housing and multiple deaths are being reported but no actual count at this point.
lewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4720 times:
The photos and footage I have seen so far is horrible. Hope this ends soon for everyone affected!
I never understood why communities that are continuously hit by tornadoes do not build with stronger materials such as stone or cement. It may be more expensive but it lasts longer and does not require building again and again and again in such cases.
LoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4024 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4663 times:
I'm very worried about some of these school children that were still at school being sheltered in place until the storm passed. I've been watching the local coverage on KFOR and they are reporting that one school (Plaza Towers Elementary School) was pretty much destroyed. One of the rescue personnel on the scene has told a news reporter that there were at least 75 children & teachers in the hallway (which was the safe place for them to be) but the hallway is just gone and they are trying to search for all these children underneath this pile of rubble. So far, they've only found one student and one teacher who have both survived. They're still looking for the rest of the children and no deaths have been reported, yet.
The other scenes of the destruction (both from the air and on the ground) are simply unbelievable. Oklahoma City just can't catch a break this week.
I hope and pray that the death toll isn't too great, but it sure looks bad right now.
Aesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 7858 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4625 times:
Quoting okie (Reply 6): An F5 is 300+ mph. Just a little over the top to build structures to that kind of rotating wind load.
What would it take ? I don't know much about tornadoes as they're unheard of here (well, statistically they happen, but nothing that makes the news), but I've read that above ground shelters are made of cinder blocks, rebar, and cement. My home is made with those from basement to (flat) roof. I can see windows being shattered and maybe even the roof damaged but I don't see the home being leveled.
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cainanuk From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4622 times:
Looks like a school has been leveled according to CNN. Apparently 45 children unaccounted for. They were sheltering in an internal hallway, which was deemed to be their "safe-place"... There is no such thing as a safe place from an F5. Regardless of your religious persuasion, pray to whoever you believe in. They need all the help they can get.
rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4575 times:
Quoting Aesma (Reply 9): What would it take ? I don't know much about tornadoes as they're unheard of here (well, statistically they happen, but nothing that makes the news), but I've read that above ground shelters are made of cinder blocks, rebar, and cement. My home is made with those from basement to (flat) roof. I can see windows being shattered and maybe even the roof damaged but I don't see the home being leveled.
The EF-5 tornado at Jerrel Texas pulled every single thing off the foundation of homes, including pulling parts of some of the foundations up. It removed every plumbing fixture, breaking all the pipes off at the slab.
The tornado pulled asphalt off the roadway.
Homes are built across the Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas region (and I presume the other tornado states) with tornado rooms - a box surrounded by 3/8 thick steel and poured rebar concrete. (Normally a interior closet with an air seal door with at least one vertical and two horizontal 3/4 inch steel locking bolts - full width like a bank vault.
Those are not guaranteed for an EF-5.
The rooms you describe are normally rated for EF-3 or low EF-4. They have to be interior rooms so that the exterior of the house will provide some deceleration of debris.
Cinderblocks for commercial buildings are very common, with rebar and poured concrete between the blocks, and there are many destroyed down to the slab in this part of the country every year.
During an EF-4 or 5 tornado - exterior walls of almost any type will not survive because of impact damage from debris being thrown into the walls at 250-300 mph.
Even if your exterior walls survived - it is likely the roof would be lifted off, even a concrete slab roof can be lifted by tornados of that intensity. Any interior walls which are not built to the same standard as the exterior walls will be destroyed/ removed by such a storm. You might have the exterior walls survive - but the cost of rebuilding the interior would likely be higher than a complete teardown and rebuild.
777222LR From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4530 times:
Meteorologists are reporting that this is the most destructive Tornado in this history of the world. This is 3 times the destruction of the May 3, 1999 tornado that went through the same area. This is terrible. The damage is terrible. The thing about this one is it came up SO fast. I literally just pulled my car into an underground parking garage because it looked like rain, got back to my office, and sirens went off. I was North of it. Had I been a few miles south, I might not be here. Terrible day for my fellow Oklahomans.
What they are saying, not saying seems to shift but the last I caught on a local channel was there were dozens of fatalities at the school. Very very sad.
Quoting 777222LR (Reply 12): This is 3 times the destruction of the May 3, 1999 tornado that went through the same area. This is terrible
I do not know a figure this early but will say property wise it could be as that area was pretty densely populated.
I can still hear many emergency vehicles moving about south of me so I can assume they are rescuing a large quantity of injured. The other major issue is that there is always a lot of nails/screws that end up on the roadways from the tornado destroying buildings which incapacitates emergency equipment when they get flat tires.
They have diverted the I-35 traffic to a 4 lane road that is my normal access and it is jammed up completely. It has trouble with normal traffic much less adding the interstate traffic as well.
LoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4024 posts, RR: 31
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4471 times:
MSNBC just reported that the Oklahoma Medical Examiner has confirmed 37 dead. Also, at the elementary school the search and rescue effort has turned into a search and recovery effort and it is believed that about 2 dozen children from grades K-3 have been killed. I'm don't think any of the children from the elementary school are included in the 37 already confirmed dead.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13499 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4464 times:
As of about 8 PM, 37 dead. Probably 100's missing, especially at schools. A path of destruction that is far worse than the 1999 near OKC. Some are suggesting an 'F-6' or well beyond the top of the scale F-5, possibly the most powerful recorded tornado outbreak in recorded history. The town of Moore pretty much wiped out.
For the schools, the problem would be sending children to homes that don't have proper shelter or would have been in the path of the worst of the storm. Truly a devils choice.
jetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3002 posts, RR: 31
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4428 times:
I was chasing the cell that hit Moore.
From this image, I was 1.5 miles to the SE of it paralleling the storm.
The tornado in this picture was approx 2 miles from Moore here, by the time we had gotten to Moore, it was huge. I could hear and feel the tornado from a mile away at that point. Have never seen one that large and to sit back and watch it mow through the city was truly heartbreaking.
Tankereng From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4421 times:
Was working at Tinker when the storm started. Coworkers and I streamed the local news, and watched the tornado form and watched its trail of devastation. Power was knocked out in the building so we switched to streaming on my iPhone. The twister dissipated near Lake Stanley Draper, which is about 7 miles south of Tinker.
Command center was set up at the Warren Movie Theatre, which was hit by the tornado. A 7 Eleven just north of the theatre was leveled, and 4 people lost their lives. I was just down there at the Warren on Saturday. Seeing the area leveled is surreal.
One of my coworker's house was basically in the path of the tornado, his wife and little girl were in the house. I don't know if the house was directly hit or if the tornado passed to the north or south, but I am praying for him and his family and for all those affected.
ER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2804 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4352 times:
One of the news channels (CNN or Fox, was switching between them so don't know which one) had a video shot from the air of the storm starting from early formation as the funnel was just coming out of the cloud and it was horrifying to watch how this slender little funnel grew into a huge beast - it just kept getting larger and larger as it moved across the ground. The scenes of devastation are hard to believe - a terrible tragedy for the folks in its path. Praying that many of the missing have survived.
ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4646 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4275 times:
This was just an incredible storm. It initiated as 3 separate supercells, but the southernmost cell became the dominant cell tonight. Rotation with it was pretty disorganized at first and then it just wrapped up over Newcastle before crossing the Canadian River. Moving through SW OKC into Moore just brought memories of what's take a similar path. The one getting the most publicity is the May 3rd 1999 F5, but the May 8th 2003 F4 and the May 24th 2011 EF4 all took similar paths. Just incredible and you have to feel for the folks of Moore, South OKC and other impacted South Metro communities.
Quoting lewis (Reply 5): I never understood why communities that are continuously hit by tornadoes do not build with stronger materials such as stone or cement. It may be more expensive but it lasts longer and does not require building again and again and again in such cases.
Many new construction homes have underground shelters or safe rooms. However, it is hard to really handle what looks like will be an EF5 that was moving only at 10 mph at points and exposing people to 200+ mph winds for over a minute.
Quoting 777222LR (Reply 12): Meteorologists are reporting that this is the most destructive Tornado in this history of the world. This is 3 times the destruction of the May 3, 1999 tornado that went through the same area. This is terrible. The damage is terrible. The thing about this one is it came up SO fast. I literally just pulled my car into an underground parking garage because it looked like rain, got back to my office, and sirens went off. I was North of it. Had I been a few miles south, I might not be here. Terrible day for my fellow Oklahomans.
We'll have to see. May 3rd was around $1 billion in damages. This one had a good lead time on it still, people just need to pay attention on higher risk days. However, there are some things you can just not prepare for.
Some clips from today including a few pics I took...
Zoomed in image. This is using GRLevel2AE...
Moving through eastern parts of Moore still rotating violently. At this position debris was raining down everywhere, which you can kinda see the discoloration to the road. The debris was insulation, siding, sheet metal, wood, and organic materials.
This is the tornado as it starts to spin down some. It is still very violent here moving through far eastern Moore and SE OKC.
flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7435 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4230 times:
Just horrible this storm was. 51 confirmed dead. Reports are that 20 are children but that is unconfirmed. Total numbers of those lost are expected to rise. Wishing the best too everyone in Oklahoma.
Down here in Florida people always ask if hurricanes are scary and how it must be something to live in a place where hurricanes hit often. But really hurricanes are not that bad when you have storms like the one today. We get days of advance notice. These people had less than an hour and even then there is no idea where it would actually hit. Just horrible news and pictures coming from there.
To those Anet members in the area, thanks for the updates, hope all you guys are doing alright.
[Edited 2013-05-20 21:13:38]
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