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F1 2013: Monaco GP  
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2869 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2834 times:

Here comes the Monaco GP! The king of all F1 circuits and probably the most dreaded of the season. A win there is always special for the driver. It's part of the Triple Crown (together with Le Mans and Indy 500). It's also the longest race of the season, where the 2-hour limit is often close to be reached more than anywhere else. As a consequence, only 260 kilometers of race are required, as opposed to the traditional 300+ kilometers on the other tracks.


Circuit de Monaco

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Lap data

Lap length: 3.34 km
Race laps: 78
Race distance: 260.52 km
Pole position: Right-hand side of the track
Race lap record: 1’14.439 (161.528 kph) by Michael Schumacher, 2004
Fastest lap: 1’13.532 (163.521 kph) by Kimi Raikkonen, 2006
Maximum speed (2011): 289 kph by Lewis Hamilton, McLaren
DRS zone/s (race): Pit straight, disabled in tunnel


Car performance

Full throttle: 54%
Downforce level: Maximum
Gear changes per lap: 62
Fuel use per lap: 1.7 kg


Championship standings

1 - Sebastian Vettel 89
2 - Kimi Räikkönen 85
3 - Fernando Alonso 72
4 - Lewis Hamilton 50
5 - Felipe Massa 45
6 - Mark Webber 42
7 - Romain Grosjean 26
8 - Paul di Resta 26
9 - Nico Rosberg 22
10 - Jenson Button 17
11 - Sergio Perez 12
12 - Daniel Ricciardo 7
13 - Adrian Sutil 6
14 - Nico Hülkenberg 5
15 - Jean-Éric Vergne 1
16 - Esteban Gutiérrez 0
17 - Valtteri Bottas 0
18 - Pastor Maldonado 0
19 - Jules Bianchi 0
20 - Charles Pic 0
21 - Giedo van der Garde 0
22 - Max Chilton 0


1 - Red Bull / Renault 131
2 - Ferrari 117
3 - Lotus / Renault 111
4 - Mercedes 72
5 - Force India / Mercedes 32
6 - McLaren / Mercedes 29
7 - Toro Rosso / Ferrari 8
8 - Sauber / Ferrari 5
9 - Williams / Renault 0
10 - Marussia / Cosworth 0
11 - Caterham / Renault 0


"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2869 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

I recently discovered that some old F1 races are available in full on Youtube. And in the list, there is the 1984 Monaco GP, which revealed Ayrton Senna to the world when he went from middle row to 2nd place on his modest Toleman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enie-nlVZaw

This is the BBC broadcast with Murray Walker and James Hunt. Enjoy!



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User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1471 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

It's Monaco, nice collection of boats and sharp looking young women and fat looking old men, but as far as racing goes it's usually pretty boring. Unless it starts raining, then it will get very interesting very quickly indeed. Doesn't necessarily need a talent of nature ripping through the pack in a howler of a car, but it does help. My enduring memory of Senna in Monaco is not, however, in a wet Toleman but rather in a McLaren one hand on wheel, one on gear lever, going through one corner after the other with millimetre precision. That is until he crashed out in Portier, walking away in disgust and disappearing for hours.

In the absence of rain induced carnage, one would be well chuffed with a win for Kimi and a series of unfortunate episodes imposing themselves on the usual top flight crowd, Alonso & Massa excluded. Above all else, I'm growing tired of the crying German with the weird beard. Used to like the guy quite a lot, but he's stopped being interesting when he's chasing and is too good when leading, which is also boring. One has also grown a tad cold on the heritage convict escapee, who seems to whinge a lot but produce very little. McLaren are floundering, and much as I like Jenson he too has developed an hyperactive set of tear canals recently. Then there's the two Merc's, whom I would like to like, but the humiliating performance at the last race didn't score well on my board.

Kimi and the prancing donkey it is then. And rain, lots and lots of it.



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5746 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2746 times:
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I know not everyone appreciated her somewhat quirky eccentricity but it doesn't seem like a Monaco GP thread without Madame C!!


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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2869 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

Free practice 1:

1 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'16.195
2 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'16.282
3 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'16.380
4 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'16.394
5 LC Hamilton (GBR) Mercedes 1'16.469
6 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'16.993
7 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'17.020
8 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'17.129
9 S Perez (MEX) McLaren 1'17.378
10 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'17.380
11 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'17.509
12 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'17.548
13 A Sutil (GER) Force India 1'17.625
14 N Hülkenberg (GER) Sauber 1'18.193
15 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'18.454
16 E Gutiérrez (MEX) Sauber 1'18.754
17 V Bottas (FIN) Williams 1'18.830
18 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'19.067
19 G van der Garde (NED) Caterham 1'19.203
20 C Pic (FRA) Caterham 1'19.438
21 J Bianchi (FRA) Marussia 1'19.773
22 M Chilton (GBR) Marussia 1'20.225


Free practice 2:

1 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'14.759
2 LC Hamilton (GBR) Mercedes 1'15.077
3 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'15.196
4 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'15.278
5 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'15.404
6 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'15.511
7 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'15.718
8 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'15.959
9 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'16.014
10 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'16.046
11 A Sutil (GER) Force India 1'16.349
12 S Perez (MEX) McLaren 1'16.434
13 N Hülkenberg (GER) Sauber 1'16.823
14 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'16.857
15 E Gutiérrez (MEX) Sauber 1'16.935
16 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'17.145
17 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'17.184
18 V Bottas (FIN) Williams 1'17.264
19 J Bianchi (FRA) Marussia 1'17.892
20 C Pic (FRA) Caterham 1'18.212
21 M Chilton (GBR) Marussia 1'18.784
22 G van der Garde (NED) Caterham 1'19.031

Vettel said he doesn't understand why he is so far off the pace: http://en.espnf1.com/monaco/motorsport/story/108692.html . Being 1.3 seconds behind the leader is indeed not really reassuring when you're driving one of the best cars of the grid. We'll have to watch closely his performance on Saturday.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 3):
it doesn't seem like a Monaco GP thread without Madame C!!

Indeed! Her pictures were always appreciated!



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User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2853 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

Wow the Mercedes (or at least Nico´s) seems to have some pace, let´s see if this transfers onto the Race day. of course I am delighted to see the Ferraris up there too. 
Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4):
Vettel said he doesn't understand why he is so far off the pace:

Ohh not having it easy this year eh Seb?

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4):
We'll have to watch closely his performance on Saturday.

Exactly, that´s the thing with the RBs, on FPs and Q1 and Q2 they ¨look¨ to be a bit off, and then on Q3 WHAM they put the hammer down and blitz everyone.

Looking forward to a nice race, I´ll be in ZRH so I will need to find a spot to watch it.

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2694 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2623 times:
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4):
Being 1.3 seconds behind the leader is indeed not really reassuring when you're driving one of the best cars of the grid.

It's not, but I also don't think Red Bull have the best car this year. I would argue that both Ferrari and Lotus have better cars this year.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 5):
Ohh not having it easy this year eh Seb?

He didn't "have it easy" in 2010 and 2012, yet he still came through and won the championship. This year looks to be a closely contested championship as well, with Vettel, Raikkonen and Alonso in the race for the driver's title. It's not a position that Vettel hasn't been in before.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2869 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 5):
Wow the Mercedes (or at least Nico´s) seems to have some pace, let´s see if this transfers onto the Race day

Yes, the Mercs proved to be very quick on one lap. But they cannot confirm on the distance (yet). I always feel bad for Hamilton and Rosberg to see them being overtaken so easily sometimes, completely powerless because of their tyres.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 6):
It's not, but I also don't think Red Bull have the best car this year. I would argue that both Ferrari and Lotus have better cars this year.

The best, maybe not, but one of the best for sure. Still, he was quite far off the leading time. Even if they were just free practices, it's not really looking good.

We'll see tomorrow!



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User currently offlineneutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 3):
.....it doesn't seem like a Monaco GP thread without Madame C!!

How true. Her tradition here is sorely missed.
Looking forward to see her here again next year.



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User currently offlineJLB67 From United Kingdom, joined May 2013, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

It's a shame Sky have the rights to the live race. It's the one race I'd like to watch live in it's entirety : (

User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2869 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

Quoting JLB67 (Reply 9):
It's a shame Sky have the rights to the live race. It's the one race I'd like to watch live in it's entirety : (

They don't show it on the BBC anymore?



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User currently offlineJLB67 From United Kingdom, joined May 2013, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

They show the highlights later on but not the entire race and not live!

User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2869 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

Quoting JLB67 (Reply 11):
They show the highlights later on but not the entire race and not live!

Not cool. The same happened in France. They were showing it on TF1 for 30 years and now it's on the pay-per-view Canal +  



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User currently offlineJLB67 From United Kingdom, joined May 2013, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

Thats a shame! I think there will be a lot of disgruntled fans if it stays like this!

User currently offlinediesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

Quoting JLB67 (Reply 9):
It's a shame Sky have the rights to the live race. It's the one race I'd like to watch live in it's entirety : (

There are ways to watch F1 live if you don't have Sky. Google is your friend.

Perfect username of the OP too.



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2694 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2510 times:
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Qualifying results:

Pos Driver Team Time Gap
1. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m13.876s
2. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1m13.967s + 0.091s
3. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m13.980s + 0.104s
4. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m14.181s + 0.305s
5. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m14.822s + 0.946s
6. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m14.824s + 0.948s
7. Sergio Perez McLaren-Mercedes 1m15.138s + 1.262s
8. Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1m15.383s + 1.507s
9. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m15.647s + 1.771s
10. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m15.703s + 1.827s
Q2 cut-off time: 1m17.748s Gap **
11. Nico Hulkenberg Sauber-Ferrari 1m18.331s + 2.343s
12. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m18.344s + 2.356s
13. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m18.603s + 2.615s
14. Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1m19.077s + 3.089s
15. Giedo van der Garde Caterham-Renault 1m19.408s + 3.420s
16. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m21.688s + 5.700s
Q1 cut-off time: 1m26.095s Gap *
17. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m26.322s + 2.870s
18. Charles Pic Caterham-Renault 1m26.633s + 3.181s
19. Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 1m26.917s + 3.465s
20. Max Chilton Marussia-Cosworth 1m27.303s + 3.851s
21. Jules Bianchi Marussia-Cosworth
22. Felipe Massa Ferrari

After Q1 I was really hoping that both Williams would make it through to Q3, but alas that didn't happen. Still, it was an interesting session with the two Mercedes getting the front row yet again. I wonder if they have the race pace to maintain it, so I'd say Vettel and Webber both have a decent chance of winning tomorrow.



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User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 6958 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days ago) and read 2492 times:

Really annoying to see Grosjean shine in a last ditch effort in Q1 and then fail in Q2.


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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

So, the first major scandal of 2013 lands at Monaco - Pirelli, FIA and Mercedes ran a secret 1000KM tyre test at Barcelona after the Spanish GP to test 2014 and 2H 2013 tyre compounds.

Ferrari, RB and others have lodged a formal protest at Monaco, as Mercedes used their 2013 car and race drivers in the test.


User currently offlinelxa333 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

Massa, same crash as yesterday in the same exact spot. What the hell is going on. C'mon Ferrari. Alonso needs to step it up.


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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5746 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2412 times:
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Quoting moo (Reply 17):
Pirelli, FIA and Mercedes ran a secret 1000KM tyre test at Barcelona after the Spanish GP to test 2014 and 2H 2013 tyre compounds.

This will be a major issue, This is so clearly a major breach and I have no idea how Mercedes and Pirelli thought they might get away with it...if it happened!!

If it did Merc should be thrown from the 2013 series and the search for a new tyre supplier should be sought forthwith!



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 19):
This will be a major issue, This is so clearly a major breach and I have no idea how Mercedes and Pirelli thought they might get away with it...if it happened!!

Well, by all accounts the FIA were involved heavily in it, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was an agreement that neither Pirelli nor Mercedes would bear any brunt of any backlash as it was allowed by the FIA.


User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5746 posts, RR: 44
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2406 times:
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Quoting moo (Reply 20):
Well, by all accounts the FIA were involved heavily in it,

AFAIK ..They don't have that freedom.. this story has a way to play yet



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5746 posts, RR: 44
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2404 times:
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Retiring Grosjean because his car is unsafe.... nothing to do with the car... the driver is a danger to those around him!!


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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 21):

The FIA change rules and laws mid season, punish drivers for acting within the rules etc etc etc.

The FIA have long shown they can do whatever they want, and if they want to exempt Pirelli and Merc from the rules for one test, then I have no doubt they already have that lined up within the ruleset.


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 19):
This will be a major issue, This is so clearly a major breach and I have no idea how Mercedes and Pirelli thought they might get away with it...if it happened!!

Commentary here indicated it was written in Pirelli's contract. Apparently they were free to conduct such testing with a team of their choosing.


25 stealthz : I do not believe the F1 rules, Technical or Sporting allow that and if a contract with x party provides for that it will likely lead to some .. hefty
26 moo : The F1 technical and sporting regulations are basically aimed at team orientated and initiated acts and events, keeping the teams in line, while this
27 cptkrell : Interesting race...too bad there were so many shunts,. But a very special day for Rosberg/Mercedes win, being Mercedes first at Monte Carlo and Rosber
28 DiamondFlyer : As has been widely reported, they do. I don't expect much to come of this. Ferrari did the same thing in the past few years, but for some reason, cho
29 GrahamHill : Aaaah, that's why they could keep up until the end of the race, then! That was a weird incident and it really looks like Ricciardo braked too early.
30 Post contains images flood : I doubt it... I think they simply benefited from Monaco's low average speeds which is easier on the tires and the difficult overtaking. Any other cir
31 stealthz : Care to enlighten me where they do? They used an older car because it is my understanding and apparently Ferrari's (wow you don'r get me agreeing wit
32 kiwirob : And only Graham Hill has won the Tripple Crown. I know Bruce McLaren had 2 out of three and nearly won the Indy, anyone know how many other drivers h
33 ncfc99 : Surely its not Mercedes responsibility to make sure Pirelli invite all teams, Mercedes accepted the invite and thats all they need to worry about on
34 CXB77L : What's Monaco without a shunt or two? Remember 1996 when there were only four classified finishers? That was an epic race! No, this is a result of th
35 Aesma : He didn't cause any crash this year, instead letting others pass him at every start. The FIA are ruining him, why the harsh penalty for an accident t
36 GrahamHill : That's exactly what I thought when I was still not aware they made some tests after Barcelona. But still, 1000 km of tests can't hurt you! I remember
37 GrahamHill : I agree, but Grosjean is a recidivist. He's got some history that does not help his cause.
38 HELyes : Yes congrats to both! Father Keke Rosberg's relationship with his old home country Finland hasn't always been the warmest, funny how it still shows,
39 garpd : I watched this one. I enjoyed it. Massa definitely was not on form, making the same mistake as he did in practice and taking himself out. I thought Ro
40 CXB77L : Rosberg was holding him up at the start of the race.
41 Aesma : Well that doesn't mean anything really, all the drivers were driving way slower than their abilities, the only ones that did some piloting did it afte
42 garpd : No he wasn't. Hamilton maybe, but not Rosberg who stretched out a lead very quickly. The only times Vettel was close were during the restarts and eve
43 Post contains links GrahamHill : It's weird indeed. When we look at the images, he seems that he is simply braking too late and just can't recover from it. http://www.youtube.com/wat
44 Aesma : They say it's the front left, I would then expect the car to veer to the right.
45 GrahamHill : Well there is something happening on the front left for sure. Is it suspension failure, it is a jammed brake, is it the driver's mistake? I had anothe
46 ANITIX87 : A great race, and I was blown away by some of the moves Sutil made in the hairpin coming down the hill. I need to get more vested in F1. Although I wa
47 Post contains images scbriml : Why would they the suspension broke if it didn't?
48 Post contains links and images GrahamHill : I found this great reportage on Youtube. It's called "Monaco, the race of kings": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1G7pLjPajE Maybe it will change the
49 thesultanofwing : Is it just me folks, or did Alonso appear not quite awake last Sunday? He was passed fair and square not once but twice! (No, I am not counting Perez'
50 GrahamHill : Maybe his Ferrari was not at ease on this twisty track?
51 thesultanofwing : But getting passed in Rascasse?? That is a lack of concentration I think.......
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