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F1 2013: Monaco GP  
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2811 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

Here comes the Monaco GP! The king of all F1 circuits and probably the most dreaded of the season. A win there is always special for the driver. It's part of the Triple Crown (together with Le Mans and Indy 500). It's also the longest race of the season, where the 2-hour limit is often close to be reached more than anywhere else. As a consequence, only 260 kilometers of race are required, as opposed to the traditional 300+ kilometers on the other tracks.


Circuit de Monaco

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Lap data

Lap length: 3.34 km
Race laps: 78
Race distance: 260.52 km
Pole position: Right-hand side of the track
Race lap record: 1’14.439 (161.528 kph) by Michael Schumacher, 2004
Fastest lap: 1’13.532 (163.521 kph) by Kimi Raikkonen, 2006
Maximum speed (2011): 289 kph by Lewis Hamilton, McLaren
DRS zone/s (race): Pit straight, disabled in tunnel


Car performance

Full throttle: 54%
Downforce level: Maximum
Gear changes per lap: 62
Fuel use per lap: 1.7 kg


Championship standings

1 - Sebastian Vettel 89
2 - Kimi Räikkönen 85
3 - Fernando Alonso 72
4 - Lewis Hamilton 50
5 - Felipe Massa 45
6 - Mark Webber 42
7 - Romain Grosjean 26
8 - Paul di Resta 26
9 - Nico Rosberg 22
10 - Jenson Button 17
11 - Sergio Perez 12
12 - Daniel Ricciardo 7
13 - Adrian Sutil 6
14 - Nico Hülkenberg 5
15 - Jean-Éric Vergne 1
16 - Esteban Gutiérrez 0
17 - Valtteri Bottas 0
18 - Pastor Maldonado 0
19 - Jules Bianchi 0
20 - Charles Pic 0
21 - Giedo van der Garde 0
22 - Max Chilton 0


1 - Red Bull / Renault 131
2 - Ferrari 117
3 - Lotus / Renault 111
4 - Mercedes 72
5 - Force India / Mercedes 32
6 - McLaren / Mercedes 29
7 - Toro Rosso / Ferrari 8
8 - Sauber / Ferrari 5
9 - Williams / Renault 0
10 - Marussia / Cosworth 0
11 - Caterham / Renault 0


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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

I recently discovered that some old F1 races are available in full on Youtube. And in the list, there is the 1984 Monaco GP, which revealed Ayrton Senna to the world when he went from middle row to 2nd place on his modest Toleman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enie-nlVZaw

This is the BBC broadcast with Murray Walker and James Hunt. Enjoy!



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User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1325 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 15 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

It's Monaco, nice collection of boats and sharp looking young women and fat looking old men, but as far as racing goes it's usually pretty boring. Unless it starts raining, then it will get very interesting very quickly indeed. Doesn't necessarily need a talent of nature ripping through the pack in a howler of a car, but it does help. My enduring memory of Senna in Monaco is not, however, in a wet Toleman but rather in a McLaren one hand on wheel, one on gear lever, going through one corner after the other with millimetre precision. That is until he crashed out in Portier, walking away in disgust and disappearing for hours.

In the absence of rain induced carnage, one would be well chuffed with a win for Kimi and a series of unfortunate episodes imposing themselves on the usual top flight crowd, Alonso & Massa excluded. Above all else, I'm growing tired of the crying German with the weird beard. Used to like the guy quite a lot, but he's stopped being interesting when he's chasing and is too good when leading, which is also boring. One has also grown a tad cold on the heritage convict escapee, who seems to whinge a lot but produce very little. McLaren are floundering, and much as I like Jenson he too has developed an hyperactive set of tear canals recently. Then there's the two Merc's, whom I would like to like, but the humiliating performance at the last race didn't score well on my board.

Kimi and the prancing donkey it is then. And rain, lots and lots of it.



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User currently onlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5686 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 2 hours ago) and read 2592 times:
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I know not everyone appreciated her somewhat quirky eccentricity but it doesn't seem like a Monaco GP thread without Madame C!!


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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Free practice 1:

1 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'16.195
2 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'16.282
3 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'16.380
4 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'16.394
5 LC Hamilton (GBR) Mercedes 1'16.469
6 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'16.993
7 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'17.020
8 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'17.129
9 S Perez (MEX) McLaren 1'17.378
10 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'17.380
11 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'17.509
12 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'17.548
13 A Sutil (GER) Force India 1'17.625
14 N Hülkenberg (GER) Sauber 1'18.193
15 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'18.454
16 E Gutiérrez (MEX) Sauber 1'18.754
17 V Bottas (FIN) Williams 1'18.830
18 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'19.067
19 G van der Garde (NED) Caterham 1'19.203
20 C Pic (FRA) Caterham 1'19.438
21 J Bianchi (FRA) Marussia 1'19.773
22 M Chilton (GBR) Marussia 1'20.225


Free practice 2:

1 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'14.759
2 LC Hamilton (GBR) Mercedes 1'15.077
3 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'15.196
4 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'15.278
5 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'15.404
6 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'15.511
7 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'15.718
8 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'15.959
9 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'16.014
10 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'16.046
11 A Sutil (GER) Force India 1'16.349
12 S Perez (MEX) McLaren 1'16.434
13 N Hülkenberg (GER) Sauber 1'16.823
14 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'16.857
15 E Gutiérrez (MEX) Sauber 1'16.935
16 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'17.145
17 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'17.184
18 V Bottas (FIN) Williams 1'17.264
19 J Bianchi (FRA) Marussia 1'17.892
20 C Pic (FRA) Caterham 1'18.212
21 M Chilton (GBR) Marussia 1'18.784
22 G van der Garde (NED) Caterham 1'19.031

Vettel said he doesn't understand why he is so far off the pace: http://en.espnf1.com/monaco/motorsport/story/108692.html . Being 1.3 seconds behind the leader is indeed not really reassuring when you're driving one of the best cars of the grid. We'll have to watch closely his performance on Saturday.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 3):
it doesn't seem like a Monaco GP thread without Madame C!!

Indeed! Her pictures were always appreciated!



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User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2752 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

Wow the Mercedes (or at least Nico´s) seems to have some pace, let´s see if this transfers onto the Race day. of course I am delighted to see the Ferraris up there too. 
Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4):
Vettel said he doesn't understand why he is so far off the pace:

Ohh not having it easy this year eh Seb?

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4):
We'll have to watch closely his performance on Saturday.

Exactly, that´s the thing with the RBs, on FPs and Q1 and Q2 they ¨look¨ to be a bit off, and then on Q3 WHAM they put the hammer down and blitz everyone.

Looking forward to a nice race, I´ll be in ZRH so I will need to find a spot to watch it.

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2469 times:
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4):
Being 1.3 seconds behind the leader is indeed not really reassuring when you're driving one of the best cars of the grid.

It's not, but I also don't think Red Bull have the best car this year. I would argue that both Ferrari and Lotus have better cars this year.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 5):
Ohh not having it easy this year eh Seb?

He didn't "have it easy" in 2010 and 2012, yet he still came through and won the championship. This year looks to be a closely contested championship as well, with Vettel, Raikkonen and Alonso in the race for the driver's title. It's not a position that Vettel hasn't been in before.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 5):
Wow the Mercedes (or at least Nico´s) seems to have some pace, let´s see if this transfers onto the Race day

Yes, the Mercs proved to be very quick on one lap. But they cannot confirm on the distance (yet). I always feel bad for Hamilton and Rosberg to see them being overtaken so easily sometimes, completely powerless because of their tyres.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 6):
It's not, but I also don't think Red Bull have the best car this year. I would argue that both Ferrari and Lotus have better cars this year.

The best, maybe not, but one of the best for sure. Still, he was quite far off the leading time. Even if they were just free practices, it's not really looking good.

We'll see tomorrow!



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User currently offlineneutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 606 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 3):
.....it doesn't seem like a Monaco GP thread without Madame C!!

How true. Her tradition here is sorely missed.
Looking forward to see her here again next year.



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User currently offlineJLB67 From United Kingdom, joined May 2013, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

It's a shame Sky have the rights to the live race. It's the one race I'd like to watch live in it's entirety : (

User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

Quoting JLB67 (Reply 9):
It's a shame Sky have the rights to the live race. It's the one race I'd like to watch live in it's entirety : (

They don't show it on the BBC anymore?



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User currently offlineJLB67 From United Kingdom, joined May 2013, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

They show the highlights later on but not the entire race and not live!

User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

Quoting JLB67 (Reply 11):
They show the highlights later on but not the entire race and not live!

Not cool. The same happened in France. They were showing it on TF1 for 30 years and now it's on the pay-per-view Canal +  



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User currently offlineJLB67 From United Kingdom, joined May 2013, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

Thats a shame! I think there will be a lot of disgruntled fans if it stays like this!

User currently offlinediesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

Quoting JLB67 (Reply 9):
It's a shame Sky have the rights to the live race. It's the one race I'd like to watch live in it's entirety : (

There are ways to watch F1 live if you don't have Sky. Google is your friend.

Perfect username of the OP too.



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2356 times:
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Qualifying results:

Pos Driver Team Time Gap
1. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m13.876s
2. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1m13.967s + 0.091s
3. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m13.980s + 0.104s
4. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m14.181s + 0.305s
5. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m14.822s + 0.946s
6. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m14.824s + 0.948s
7. Sergio Perez McLaren-Mercedes 1m15.138s + 1.262s
8. Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1m15.383s + 1.507s
9. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m15.647s + 1.771s
10. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m15.703s + 1.827s
Q2 cut-off time: 1m17.748s Gap **
11. Nico Hulkenberg Sauber-Ferrari 1m18.331s + 2.343s
12. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m18.344s + 2.356s
13. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m18.603s + 2.615s
14. Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1m19.077s + 3.089s
15. Giedo van der Garde Caterham-Renault 1m19.408s + 3.420s
16. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m21.688s + 5.700s
Q1 cut-off time: 1m26.095s Gap *
17. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m26.322s + 2.870s
18. Charles Pic Caterham-Renault 1m26.633s + 3.181s
19. Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 1m26.917s + 3.465s
20. Max Chilton Marussia-Cosworth 1m27.303s + 3.851s
21. Jules Bianchi Marussia-Cosworth
22. Felipe Massa Ferrari

After Q1 I was really hoping that both Williams would make it through to Q3, but alas that didn't happen. Still, it was an interesting session with the two Mercedes getting the front row yet again. I wonder if they have the race pace to maintain it, so I'd say Vettel and Webber both have a decent chance of winning tomorrow.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6582 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

Really annoying to see Grosjean shine in a last ditch effort in Q1 and then fail in Q2.


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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3906 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2285 times:

So, the first major scandal of 2013 lands at Monaco - Pirelli, FIA and Mercedes ran a secret 1000KM tyre test at Barcelona after the Spanish GP to test 2014 and 2H 2013 tyre compounds.

Ferrari, RB and others have lodged a formal protest at Monaco, as Mercedes used their 2013 car and race drivers in the test.


User currently offlinelxa333 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2280 times:

Massa, same crash as yesterday in the same exact spot. What the hell is going on. C'mon Ferrari. Alonso needs to step it up.


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User currently onlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5686 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2258 times:
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Quoting moo (Reply 17):
Pirelli, FIA and Mercedes ran a secret 1000KM tyre test at Barcelona after the Spanish GP to test 2014 and 2H 2013 tyre compounds.

This will be a major issue, This is so clearly a major breach and I have no idea how Mercedes and Pirelli thought they might get away with it...if it happened!!

If it did Merc should be thrown from the 2013 series and the search for a new tyre supplier should be sought forthwith!



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3906 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 19):
This will be a major issue, This is so clearly a major breach and I have no idea how Mercedes and Pirelli thought they might get away with it...if it happened!!

Well, by all accounts the FIA were involved heavily in it, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was an agreement that neither Pirelli nor Mercedes would bear any brunt of any backlash as it was allowed by the FIA.


User currently onlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5686 posts, RR: 44
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2252 times:
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Quoting moo (Reply 20):
Well, by all accounts the FIA were involved heavily in it,

AFAIK ..They don't have that freedom.. this story has a way to play yet



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User currently onlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5686 posts, RR: 44
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2250 times:
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Retiring Grosjean because his car is unsafe.... nothing to do with the car... the driver is a danger to those around him!!


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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3906 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 21):

The FIA change rules and laws mid season, punish drivers for acting within the rules etc etc etc.

The FIA have long shown they can do whatever they want, and if they want to exempt Pirelli and Merc from the rules for one test, then I have no doubt they already have that lined up within the ruleset.


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 19):
This will be a major issue, This is so clearly a major breach and I have no idea how Mercedes and Pirelli thought they might get away with it...if it happened!!

Commentary here indicated it was written in Pirelli's contract. Apparently they were free to conduct such testing with a team of their choosing.


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Reply 25, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2275 times:
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Quoting flood (Reply 24):
Apparently they were free to conduct such testing with a team of their choosing.

I do not believe the F1 rules, Technical or Sporting allow that and if a contract with x party provides for that it will likely lead to some .. hefty legal fees!!!!



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3906 posts, RR: 4
Reply 26, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

The F1 technical and sporting regulations are basically aimed at team orientated and initiated acts and events, keeping the teams in line, while this is a Pirelli and FIA initiated event and can easily be argued as not being affected by those rules.

It will however be interesting to see if race-specific marshals have any power to rule in a dispute that has nothing to do with that race.


User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 27, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

Interesting race...too bad there were so many shunts,. But a very special day for Rosberg/Mercedes win, being Mercedes first at Monte Carlo and Rosberg's win 30 years to the event that his dad won at Monaco. Congrats to both Rosberg and the boys in silver. regards...jack


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User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1527 posts, RR: 3
Reply 28, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 25):
I do not believe the F1 rules, Technical or Sporting allow that and if a contract with x party provides for that it will likely lead to some .. hefty legal fees!!!!

As has been widely reported, they do. I don't expect much to come of this. Ferrari did the same thing in the past few years, but for some reason, chose to use an older car. Why, I have no idea.

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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 29, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 17):
Pirelli, FIA and Mercedes ran a secret 1000KM tyre test at Barcelona after the Spanish GP to test 2014 and 2H 2013 tyre compounds.

Aaaah, that's why they could keep up until the end of the race, then!

Quoting stealthz (Reply 22):
Retiring Grosjean because his car is unsafe.... nothing to do with the car... the driver is a danger to those around him!!

That was a weird incident and it really looks like Ricciardo braked too early. However, the FIA judged him guilty and he's been sentenced to a 10-place grid penalty for Montreal. I really don't know what is wrong with him. I believe it is going to be his final year. Lotus needs someone more reliable.

Sergio Pérez is also someone who should calm down a bit. I understand he wants to impress his boss, but still (between, did he get a penalty for ruining Kimi's race?).

Quoting moo (Reply 23):
The FIA have long shown they can do whatever they want

Indeed.



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 29):
Aaaah, that's why they could keep up until the end of the race, then!

I doubt it... I think they simply benefited from Monaco's low average speeds which is easier on the tires and the difficult overtaking. Any other circuit and they'd probably have been minced meat. The testing will also have involved Pirelli's new compound which they're planning to introduce in Canada. So if anything, maybe we'll see an improvement then as they will have a head start and should have a better understanding of what to expect... but I'm not counting on them turning things around overnight.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 29):
Sergio Pérez is also someone who should calm down a bit

I agree, but he's fun to watch and I'm taking a liking to the guy 

Pity he pushed his luck too far.


User currently onlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5686 posts, RR: 44
Reply 31, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2139 times:
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Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 28):
As has been widely reported, they do

Care to enlighten me where they do?

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 28):
Ferrari did the same thing in the past few years, but for some reason, chose to use an older car. Why, I have no idea.

They used an older car because it is my understanding and apparently Ferrari's (wow you don'r get me agreeing with them often

Quoting AutoSport Stefano Domenicelli:
For us, there was no doubt that a 2013 car, and the previous two years' cars, are not possible to be used during the season."
Quoting flood:
Commentary here indicated it was written in Pirelli's contract. Apparently they were free to conduct such testing with a team of their choosing.

It seems the FIA had conditions on that testing, namely the opportunity had to be offered to all teams. It would appear, despite Ross Brawn's protestations, that this condition was not met.



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7239 posts, RR: 5
Reply 32, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Thread starter):
It's part of the Triple Crown (together with Le Mans and Indy 500).

And only Graham Hill has won the Tripple Crown. I know Bruce McLaren had 2 out of three and nearly won the Indy, anyone know how many other drivers have come close?

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 2):
It's Monaco, nice collection of boats and sharp looking young women and fat looking old men, but as far as racing goes it's usually pretty boring

Completely agree, I don't like anyn of the newer GP's but this one is even worse, the track is not suitable for use with todays cars, they either need to make massive changes to it or cancel it. It's time is over.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 3):
I know not everyone appreciated her somewhat quirky eccentricity but it doesn't seem like a Monaco GP thread without Madame C!!

Has she passed on, like the Concorde and QEII to the great scrapheap of history?


User currently offlinencfc99 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2079 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 31):
It seems the FIA had conditions on that testing, namely the opportunity had to be offered to all teams. It would appear, despite Ross Brawn's protestations, that this condition was not met.

Surely its not Mercedes responsibility to make sure Pirelli invite all teams, Mercedes accepted the invite and thats all they need to worry about on that front. However, when they have accepted the invite, I would then expect them to comply with the restriction, i.e using an old car. IMHO, I would place alot of the resposibility at the feet of Pirelli, they asked for the test, should run the test within the restrictions, if Mercedes only had this years car at the test the test should not have gone ahead. 80% blame to Pirelli, 15% to Mercedes and 5% to everyone else who must have known something was going on, all my humnble opinion of course.


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 34, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2069 times:
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Quoting cptkrell (Reply 27):
Interesting race...too bad there were so many shunts

What's Monaco without a shunt or two? Remember 1996 when there were only four classified finishers? That was an epic race!

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 29):
Aaaah, that's why they could keep up until the end of the race, then!

No, this is a result of the low tyre wear at Monaco due to the low speeds (high speed corners really kill tyres), an effective tyre management strategy and the difficulty of overtaking in Monaco.

It remains to be seen what the revised tyres will bring for the second half of 2013. I would imagine that had Pirelli not chosen to revise its compounds and construction, tyre management will be a major headache for many teams at Montreal.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 29):
did he get a penalty for ruining Kimi's race?).

Not that I'm aware of.

Quoting flood (Reply 30):
I agree, but he's fun to watch and I'm taking a liking to the guy

I have quite the opposite reaction. I'm starting to really dislike him.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6582 posts, RR: 9
Reply 35, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 22):
Retiring Grosjean because his car is unsafe.... nothing to do with the car... the driver is a danger to those around him!!

He didn't cause any crash this year, instead letting others pass him at every start. The FIA are ruining him, why the harsh penalty for an accident that happened to many before (including world champion Kimi some years ago) ? Why did Max Chilton, who caused a far more stupid accident, with more cars involved, that stopped the race for 25 minutes, only get a DT ? Why did Perez, who had the marshals working all the race, not get anything ? They're not objective at all.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 36, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 30):
I think they simply benefited from Monaco's low average speeds
Quoting CXB77L (Reply 34):
No, this is a result of the low tyre wear at Monaco

That's exactly what I thought when I was still not aware they made some tests after Barcelona. But still, 1000 km of tests can't hurt you!

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 32):
anyone know how many other drivers have come close?

I remember AJ Foyt who won Le Mans and Indy the same year (1967). But he never raced at Monaco.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 37, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 35):
They're not objective at all.

I agree, but Grosjean is a recidivist. He's got some history that does not help his cause.



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User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 27):
But a very special day for Rosberg/Mercedes win, being Mercedes first at Monte Carlo and Rosberg's win 30 years to the event that his dad won at Monaco. Congrats to both Rosberg and the boys in silver. regards...jack

Yes congrats to both!

Father Keke Rosberg's relationship with his old home country Finland hasn't always been the warmest, funny how it still shows, the special day didn't get much attention in the Finnish media...


User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 39, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1894 times:

I watched this one. I enjoyed it.

Massa definitely was not on form, making the same mistake as he did in practice and taking himself out.

I thought Rosberg drove a solid race. He and his team got it right. A well deserved win. He managed to get away from Vettel 3 times in 3 starts(Start, Safety Car, restart)!
I found it quite laughable that despite Rosberg getting away from him several times, Vettel had the gall to say Rosberg had held him up! There are no bounds to that guy's arrogance.



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 40, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1892 times:
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Quoting garpd (Reply 39):
I found it quite laughable that despite Rosberg getting away from him several times, Vettel had the gall to say Rosberg had held him up!

Rosberg was holding him up at the start of the race.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6582 posts, RR: 9
Reply 41, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1888 times:

Well that doesn't mean anything really, all the drivers were driving way slower than their abilities, the only ones that did some piloting did it after a crash (Kimi anyone ?). But I agree that Vettel shouldn't complain, he didn't even try to pass.

As for Massa Ferrari is saying his suspension broke, believe them or don't (I don't).



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User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 42, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 40):

Rosberg was holding him up at the start of the race.

No he wasn't. Hamilton maybe, but not Rosberg who stretched out a lead very quickly. The only times Vettel was close were during the restarts and even then Rosberg sprinted off into the distance.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 41):

As for Massa Ferrari is saying his suspension broke, believe them or don't (I don't).

I'm with you on that one.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 43, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1872 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 41):
As for Massa Ferrari is saying his suspension broke, believe them or don't (I don't).

It's weird indeed. When we look at the images, he seems that he is simply braking too late and just can't recover from it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZQ8SsfhLfU

If he had a suspension failure, I think the car would have behave differently. But I'm not an engineer, so I'll have to believe what they say even if I will still have a doubt!



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6582 posts, RR: 9
Reply 44, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

They say it's the front left, I would then expect the car to veer to the right.


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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 45, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1857 times:

Well there is something happening on the front left for sure. Is it suspension failure, it is a jammed brake, is it the driver's mistake?

I had another look at the images and the incident seems to happen at the braking point or slightly before. So this is really weird.



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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3302 posts, RR: 13
Reply 46, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1836 times:
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A great race, and I was blown away by some of the moves Sutil made in the hairpin coming down the hill.

I need to get more vested in F1. Although I watch at least some of every race, I don't know nearly enough about the cars, tire strategy, etc.

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Reply 47, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1812 times:
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Quoting Aesma (Reply 41):
As for Massa Ferrari is saying his suspension broke, believe them or don't (I don't).

Why would they the suspension broke if it didn't?   



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 48, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1732 times:

I found this great reportage on Youtube. It's called "Monaco, the race of kings":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1G7pLjPajE

Maybe it will change the opinion of kiwirob  



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User currently offlinethesultanofwing From El Salvador, joined Dec 2012, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

Is it just me folks, or did Alonso appear not quite awake last Sunday?
He was passed fair and square not once but twice!
(No, I am not counting Perez's little stunt).

Very unlike Alonso.......



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 50, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

Quoting thesultanofwing (Reply 49):
Very unlike Alonso.......

Maybe his Ferrari was not at ease on this twisty track?



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User currently offlinethesultanofwing From El Salvador, joined Dec 2012, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 50):

Maybe his Ferrari was not at ease on this twisty track?

But getting passed in Rascasse??
That is a lack of concentration I think.......



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