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Possible Beheading On London Street  
User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5564 times:

Its breaking news.

Some are saying he was hacked to death others that he was beheaded in the street.

2 Men with machete/meat cleavers attacked a guy in a "help the heroes" shirt, Possibly military man.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013...ce-shooting-machete_n_3319793.html

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User currently onlineflyingthe757 From UK - England, joined Mar 2013, 254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5547 times:
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They certainly are not mentioning a beheading on UK news sites!!!!! The dead man is said to be a serving solider.

User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5541 times:

Quoting flyingthe757 (Reply 1):
They certainly are not mentioning a beheading on UK news sites!!!!! The dead man is said to be a serving solider.

Indeed, It was the huffington post headline though so I went with that, Also on twitter people in the area claiming he was beheaded.

An MP apparently said the guy was in the Military..

This is way f***ed up.


User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5502 times:

The lastest seems to be that a soldier from the Barracks has been murdered by 2 Males who were shouting "we've had enough and requested people on buses to film them". The victim is white in his early twenties the perps Black in their late twenties.

What in the flying.... No words.

[Edited 2013-05-22 09:06:35]

User currently offlineA320ajm From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5464 times:

I think if these reports are true then it should be dealt with as a terrorist incident. This is a shocking and heinous crime. Attacking an off duty soldier is a crime against the state.

RIP  

A320ajm



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User currently offlineseansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5443 times:

It has been confirmed that police are treating it as a terrorist attack. A COBRA meeting has been called by the Home Secretary.

User currently offlineA320ajm From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5438 times:

Update according to BBC News twitter: COBRA has been called by the Home Sec and Sky News are reporting it is a terrorist incident.


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User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5430 times:

Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 5):
It has been confirmed that police are treating it as a terrorist attack. A COBRA meeting has been called by the Home Secretary.

Oh christ this is going to turn into chaos I can see it.


User currently offlineA320ajm From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5415 times:

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 7):
Oh christ this is going to turn into chaos I can see it.

I hope we don't have riots all over again  



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User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5396 times:

Quoting A320ajm (Reply 8):
I hope we don't have riots all over again

Less likely riots, more of radical groups attacking each other or innocent people.

"Attackers shouted Allahu Akbar"
"Tried to film the attack"
"Terrorist Attack"


User currently onlineflyingthe757 From UK - England, joined Mar 2013, 254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5383 times:
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Quoting Giancavia (Reply 9):

From one news site, they tried to get people on the bus (you see a red double decker in the aerial footage) to film them attacking the people.

Disgusting!!!


User currently offlineLuftfahrer From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 1016 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5355 times:

First the riots in the suburbs of Stockholm, now a gruesome crime in London. What a turbulent week for the 'civilized' Western Europe. I hope it doesn't spread across the continent, bearing in mind the ongoing economic and social problems that we have here...

[Edited 2013-05-22 10:15:30]


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User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5330 times:

Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 11):
First the riots in the suburbs of Stockholm, now a gruesome crime in London. What a turbulent week for the 'civilized' Western Europe. I hope it doesn't spread across the continent, bearing in mind the ongoing economic and social problems that we have here...

It's already spread, The problem is nobody will combat it with proper force and sentences. Instead you get bleeding heart apologists making these psychos stronger and stronger. Things need to change, Terrorists can not get away with hacking a soldier to death on the streets of London in broad daylight. Sick of all this crap...


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20632 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5295 times:

CNN: Off-duty British soldier run down by car on the street outside barracks, occupants got out to beat the soldier and attack him with machetes, while asking passersby to photograph the incident. Attackers were shot during the incident and are now in hospital.

Blimey.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26974 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5266 times:

Sadly this was waiting to happen. With the rise of Islamic extremists in the UK they have often caused disruption at the ceremonies for dead soldiers coming back from the ME and openly preached hate against the troops. This is not acceptable IMHO.

When you walk on some of London's streets these days you can often go into areas that are hot beds for these extremists and they live freely in the full knowledge of the Muslim community. Something needs to change drastically and the Muslim community in the UK need to act to show they are against all types of Islamic extremism. For too long its been a softly softly approach with plenty in these communities turning a blind eye.


User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5257 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
and the Muslim community in the UK need to act

That is often said time and time again though. They don't act, and apologies if this offends anyone...

Maybe it's time we acted for them. This can't go on.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5255 times:
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Quoting Giancavia (Reply 12):
It's already spread, The problem is nobody will combat it with proper force and sentences. Instead you get bleeding heart apologists making these psychos stronger and stronger. Things need to change, Terrorists can not get away with hacking a soldier to death on the streets of London in broad daylight. Sick of all this crap...

I absolutely agree with you. My very first thought too was that enough is enough. I hope some serious clamping-down takes place. This is utterly intolerable.



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User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5225 times:

The filthy bas**** who did it have thick london urban accents, No doubt they grew up here from a young age.. He just sits there talking to a camera like its a joke after hacking a man to death. I cant quite believe the video ... I'm gobsmacked.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26974 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5225 times:

Quoting gingersnap (Reply 15):
That is often said time and time again though. They don't act, and apologies if this offends anyone...

Maybe it's time we acted for them. This can't go on.

Indeed. All this starts in the Mosques and Islamic schools attatched to them. Its a sad sign when these people are allowed to preach hate and be protected by Muslim communities in the UK. Its very worrying and emergency powers need to be brought in if need be. No softly softly approach. If you are found to have knowledge of these people within your community and dont report it then it should mean jail time and if a non British Citizen automatic deportation. All this of course goes back to the 80's and 90's where they were encouraged to live in ghettos and not integrate with British society. It was always going to come back and haunt the country.


User currently offlinejsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2035 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5166 times:

Quoting gingersnap (Reply 15):
Maybe it's time we acted for them. This can't go on.

This makes me beyond furious.

Let human garbage flow unchecked into your country for 20 years, hand out passports like candy, and allow hate preachers to proliferate with no accountability, and things like this are bound to happen. The Western European Muslim "community" and its refusal to look at itself critically need to be treated as tacit approval of actions like this one. Every time certain members of this "community" feel slighted, entire housing estates erupt into flames (this week it's Stockholm, next week it will be somewher else), followed by government officials bending over backward to apologize for the rioters and demanding that the native population (who were never asked if they wanted any newcomers in their countries) be more accommodating. Everyone is so terrified of being labeled "intolerant" that they stick their heads in the sand and let their native cultures and values slip away little by little.

Every time something like this happens in Europe, I keep hoping it will be the final straw that jolts the native population into doing something about it. RIP to the victim - the next few decades are going to be very difficult for Western Europe, if this is any indication.


User currently onlineTupolevTu154 From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 2184 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5166 times:

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 17):
The filthy bas**** who did it have thick london urban accents, No doubt they grew up here from a young age.. He just sits there talking to a camera like its a joke after hacking a man to death. I cant quite believe the video ... I'm gobsmacked.

Here's the aformentioned video;

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-...ed-hands-speaks-at-woolwich-scene/

I bet he's never even been to his "land", let alone lived there. Doesn't look like any sort of organised terrorism to me, just a couple of guys looking to hack people up and claim to be more than they are.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5137 times:
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 18):
If you are found to have knowledge of these people within your community and dont report it then it should mean jail time and if a non British Citizen automatic deportation.

Our country has not even been able to forcibly deport a known radical terrorist leader after about a hundred rounds in the courts. Qatada is only going to leave now because he's had enough and is going voluntarily! We stand virtually no chance with the foot soldiers. It's pathetic.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26974 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5100 times:

Quoting jsnww81 (Reply 19):
Let human garbage flow unchecked into your country for 20 years, hand out passports like candy, and allow hate preachers to proliferate with no accountability, and things like this are bound to happen. The Western European Muslim "community" and its refusal to look at itself critically need to be treated as tacit approval of actions like this one.

Pretty much explains what happened sadly.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 21):
Our country has not even been able to forcibly deport a known radical terrorist leader after about a hundred rounds in the courts. Qatada is only going to leave now because he's had enough and is going voluntarily! We stand virtually no chance with the foot soldiers. It's pathetic.

Indeed the British government should have brought in emergency anti terror laws to over ride the EU, no wonder people are voting for UKIP ! Which is very dangerous and I dont agree with. Maybe this will change things but I doubt it.


User currently offlineDano1977 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Jun 2008, 499 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5075 times:

Quoting TupolevTu154 (Reply 20):
Here's the aformentioned video;

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-...ed-hands-speaks-at-woolwich-scene/

I bet he's never even been to his "land", let alone lived there. Doesn't look like any sort of organised terrorism to me, just a couple of guys looking to hack people up and claim to be more than they are.

Perhaps a caveat, that this video is pretty awful and has graphic content.

I've watched the video, and it has left me stunned, shocked and angry.



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User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 595 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5027 times:

This makes me sick to my stomach. These men are truly the lowest possible life form. The government needs to act NOW or there while be terrible repercussions I can just feel it.

I'm in London some 4 miles away from where this terrible tragedy took place, and the shock and tension in the air is palpable. It's frightening to think this tool place in broad daylight.

I have the upmost respect for all nationalities and those that genuinely need asylum in the UK, those that live here legally but follow multiple faiths, religions and from all nationalities and walks of life, but this HAS to end and we must close our doors whilst its sorted out.

Those that do not respect freedom, safety , security or the hospitality of GREAT Britain have no place here, plain and simple. If you choose to segregate yourself and support extremism and hate, please take it to where it belongs, not on our shores and spilling the blood of our people.

I have even more respect for the Doctors and Nurses treating these sick B*stards - I hope they pour acid in their gunshot wounds and leave them to rot. Despicable and shocking, these men deserve to die a slow painful death, and if that makes me as bad as them for saying it, I just don't care.


25 MD11Engineer : It has nothing to do with the EU or even the ECHR, but everything with the British interpretation of these rules. AFAIK Abu Qatada lost all lawsuits
26 kiwirob : Pretty weak terror attempt, only one victim, I doubt this caused much if any terror to anyone other than the victim. It's not a nice incident but hard
27 Giancavia : What a cretin. I am sure nobody was terrorised by 2 men hacking a guy to death in front of their eyes. Never read anything so stupid in my life. How
28 RussianJet : That depends on whether the supposed motive is correct. This is not merely a comparison of the physical act. In any case, even if just considering th
29 DeltaMD90 : While I think what he said was worded kind of bluntly, I see what he's saying and am relieved that the attacks seem to have gotten less potent over t
30 Post contains images OA260 : Oh I have you just have not read his posts often enough So no terror was caused to the school kids watching or the people that tried to help the vict
31 GDB : I get your anger, though what your saying is not backed up by any facts. British jails now have a substantial population of Islamist extremists convi
32 Post contains links Luftfahrer : It becomes even worse when you see who they don't let enter the country on the other hand... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7885918.stm
33 OA260 : Anyone who incites hatred should be banned so he was rightfully banned.
34 Dano1977 : Put it this way... The attackers will probably get.... 1. A lawyer paid for by legal aid (Public defender) 2. A high profile tree hugging fluffy huma
35 GDB : The facts are though, in the UK at least, is that the 7/7 bombers, most of those the many now in prison for plotting attacks, were born and brought u
36 Giancavia : https://twitter.com/NicoHines/status/337308932882182144/photo/1 And so it begins, EDL rioters in woolwich. Police line forming.
37 Giancavia : She shot them both as they ran at her. They waited 20 minutes for armed police to turn up.
38 Post contains images WestJet747 : Wow...well that's easily the most awful thing I've seen this week... I have no idea what he's going on about "my land", he sounds like he's never eve
39 kiwirob : I witnessed a drive by shooting in London outside the Willesden Green tube station in 1997, the victim went through a plate glass window, I was shock
40 GDB : As already stated and easy to check, the reality of those convicted of plotting attacks has not been anything like that. These two today, will be dif
41 Giancavia : We dont disagree, They are extremists from the other direction and complete tools.
42 Post contains images RomeoBravo : Whatever the motives that is truly appalling and has left me feeling pretty disturbed and emotionally numb. I hope these people never experience freed
43 GDB : Her Majesties Prisons await, likely for the rest of their lives. Or the secure facility for the criminally insane, Broadmoor, for the rest of their l
44 Post contains images WestJet747 : Agreed. That's another negative outcome of 9/11: anytime anything big and terrible happens, everybody's mind jumps immediately to "terrorism". Until
45 Giancavia : Here in lies the problem, The sentence will be miserly and worthless. The british courts dont back up the police with hefty punishments. Wouldn't be
46 oly720man : Unemployed, taken over by the dark side /crackpot islamic preacher who spouts everything they want to hear about why their lives are so crap - it's t
47 falstaff : I wonder if these people consider themselves UK citizens? I'm sure they do when their backs are up against the wall, but do they see themselves as so
48 RomeoBravo : Problem with that is criminals are no longer going to turn up to a gun party with a knife. They're going to bring a gun themselves. The police in thi
49 kiwirob : They might be born US citizens but the breeding is something else.
50 GDB : You might want to just do a search for the cases of the last 10 years. Sentences for terrorist related crimes are always heavy, in the past decade, f
51 falstaff : Police officers that I know are trained to be one up on somebody. Guy uses his fists, you use a club. Guy has a club use a taser, guy has a knife use
52 kiwirob : The policeman with the gun has to be on site when the incident happens otherwise having a gun or not having a gun won't make a jot of a difference.
53 TupolevTu154 : That's a whole other can of worms you've just opened!
54 Dano1977 : Yes that is there right. It just grates that my taxes are being used on that scum.
55 Post contains links MaverickM11 : This reminds me of the axe attack in 2005 in London. What ended up being the motive of that? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4347919
56 SOBHI51 : Have no mercy on them, they lived by the machetes they should be executed by one in public, come on west have some courage and don't be soft on those
57 AeroWesty : Hmm, what would be so wrong with sending folks like these two off to a desolate island prison, like they did in Papillon. No death sentence, no martyr
58 cjg225 : There are no words for this... wow.... Can someone clarify something? A quote in an aforementioned article: A quote about midway down the article says
59 Giancavia : They ran over the guy with a car.. hacked him to death. Apparently severed his head (Multiple sources including a priest who witnessed it). Then stoo
60 shamrock350 : Absolutely shocked and sickened at this, I used to work in Woolwich and walked up the road where this happened almost daily for about two years. It ha
61 LTBEWR : A disturbing trend in terrorism is the twisted lone wolf, a pair or small cell attacks by those that fit into the area where they want to attack, may
62 YVRLTN : My thoughts exactly. I believe a lot of Maggie type "true Conservatives" if you know what I mean could be tempted to lean this way as the current Con
63 casinterest : Interesting Quote SOBH151. are you sure you are true member of the religion of peace? Promoting such vengeance? You are pretty much advancing the log
64 777way : Yes theres also a secular one called Altaf Hussain UK citizen running politics in Pakistan running thug party MQM composed of Indian origin Muslims i
65 qantas077 : and walking around in all the Chav gear that you can dream of...plus a nice pair of Adidas runners. astonishing video!
66 SOBHI51 : Yes i am, but the west have to act to stop such criminals from threatening there population, years of courts, then a prison sentence, you will find s
67 AeroWesty : There's the fatal flaw. Religion is a personal relationship, not a penal code.
68 na : Same here. The muslim world keeps its mouth shut and turns their eyes away from the murders committed by their so-called brothers. Just a few singula
69 Airstud : I do wonder a little bit about what it was in these guys' personal lives that made them want to commit violence like this. As a right-wing American, I
70 OA260 : I dont agree with that . It becomes a very sick and disturbed society when you have public hanging and killing. That maybe ok for Muslim Republics bu
71 pvjin : Too bad, another clear event indicating that multiculturalism has totally failed with most Islamic groups. I hope Europeans wake up before all this ha
72 Airstud : I agree with that, but isn't it getting a little off-topic? I read earlier in this thread that these attackers were likely born in the UK.
73 NAV20 : I think you've correctly identified a new and very frightening trend, LTBEWR. By all accounts, the Boston bombers had more or less been brought up in
74 SOBHI51 : So stop moaning ( talking in general terms), you need an iron fist to deal with those people, after all they are your citizens, not every time such a
75 MD11Engineer : A failed bomb attack on Bonn´s railway station in Germany a while ago now lead to to new traces pointing to a radical Islamist allready in prison fo
76 pvjin : Oh yea I think you might be right, didn't bother reading through this particular event too much. Anyway I was thinking also about 2nd and 3rd generat
77 Post contains images OA260 : Life in jail is good enough with no chance of ever being released. We dont need or want public hanging. Its the stuff that you get in Iran/KSA and we
78 777way : Sounds more racist than rational, also couldn't help notice your u-turn on this community and musilms since I think you and your Pakistani partner se
79 Post contains links oly720man : According to the Sun, both the perpetrators had close links to a known "hate preacher" Anjem Choudary who used to lead a now banned group potted hist
80 Post contains images OA260 : Well my Fathers Asian so the racist thing is a stupid thing to say. Growing up in London in the 80s we were the victim of racism and having your Fath
81 SOBHI51 : Ok i could agree about public hanging, sensitivity etc... How about a new law concerning acts of terrorism where if a person is found guilty he will
82 AeroWesty : Why is it that you want to encourage civilized western societies to expand the use of the death penalty, while at the same time not condemning that t
83 Post contains images CXB77L : I am disgusted that someone going about their daily business could be attacked in such a heinous and cowardly way. I'm disgusted that instead of suppo
84 SOBHI51 : I can not understand you, if asking the death penalty for act of terrorism such as this brutal murder is not a condemnation, then what is? If you con
85 mad99 : looks like he's from a Christian family and got interested in Islam at 16 or so. Like the guys in Boston, Islam is just a way to lash out and do harm
86 NAV20 : I suspect that you've hit the nail on the head, oly720man. I'd expect that that guy is being subjected to frequent visits from the 'CID' - British po
87 Post contains images OA260 : When you come from a society such as in UK and Ireland its hard to sanction this. When your angry and something like this happens its a natural react
88 AeroWesty : Point not proven. Your first three replies had nothing to do with condemning this act in the name of Islam. They were simply missives that the west a
89 OA260 : These people were often seen in the town centre with leaflets and a stall which preached hate. This kind of stuff should not be tolerated. It just sho
90 stealthz : Yes but this kind of lip service means nothing until the billion (closer to 2 or more) "peaceful" Muslims turn on the relativley few renegedes and ma
91 MD11Engineer : Actually, as I get older, I think that there are people society would do better without. But don´t give them a glamorous send off. Trial, petition a
92 Post contains images AeroWesty : Can't argue with that!
93 SOBHI51 : If you read back in my different posting i am always condemning any acts of terrorism committed in the name of Islam, i am fed up from words i am ask
94 stealthz : The tragedy is they do not condemn it enough.. a few "leaders" or " clerics" say what is expected in response to the outrage of the moment yet nothin
95 AeroWesty : Your concern seems more about Islam getting a bad rap from the actions by these two hoodlums, than for the victim in this. Why is that any of your co
96 garpd : If I may be controversial here, moving on from causes to punishment for a moment. I've long considered that anyone seen to kill someone, should endure
97 777way : Since 9/11 that's exactly what is being told to mullahs and associates by the general populace on Pakistani TV channels, protests etc, without caring
98 SOBHI51 : I did not see any words of sympathy from your part to the victim and his family, unless you consider Blimey as an expression of sympathy, but asking
99 casinterest : They deserve punishment, but public displays of vengeance are no different from what these guys did and perpetuates the problem People do not see it
100 AeroWesty : "Blimey" was my expression of shock at the heinousness of the crime. I didn't ask for a revenge killing in return. I come from a mostly secular backg
101 777way : Same for American spies caught here, usually put in some nice house serving as jail, tended to by diplomatic staff and then sent back home to live un
102 Post contains images WestJet747 : I agree that all on-duty police officers should be armed, but there's a bit of a hole in your logic: How many police officers are injured or killed w
103 AeroWesty : Thanks for the candor in your comments. My impression of the above hundred or so posts (which I've reviewed again prior to this post) generally fall
104 SoJo : I just want to add to the horror I feel about this event. It's beyond belief. Now as some have pointed out, they MAY spend the rest of their lives in
105 SOBHI51 : Where do you see in my first posting any mention of religion? Or as a matter of fact my second posting i did not mention or defended Islam. [Edited 2
106 RomeoBravo : There's always the dream...
107 AeroWesty : Brighton, England, October 12, 1984. I used the term "first and foremost", not "first post".
108 Post contains images WestJet747 : Well my own observation is that there have been many on this thread calling for death of these perpetrators (some even calling for torture, which is
109 SOBHI51 : I CONDEMN STRONGLY ANY ACT OF TERRORISM COMMITTED BY ANY RELIGIOUS EXTREMISTS AND ESPECIALLY ISLAMIC because the Islam i follow taught me peace and a
110 Post contains images AeroWesty : Here are the other posts I've seen calling for death: What sets these posts apart is that they aren't in the context of "y'all are a bunch of softies
111 Post contains links shamrock350 : The soldier murdered in a terrorist attack near a military barracks in Woolwich has been named as Drummer Lee Rigby, he was 25 and had a two-year-old
112 Post contains links CXB77L : Doctors are human too. If I were a doctor, I'd refuse to treat them. Not that it'd make any difference as there'd be someone else to treat them - the
113 PHX787 : I dont know how this degraded into a debate about the nature of Islam but here's wat has me worried- If any religion at all threatens violence, they l
114 SOBHI51 : And not because i am a Muslim defending Islam first and foremost as you kept mentioning in your posts or because i did not show any sympathy to the v
115 AeroWesty : I'm not exactly sure what you believe I'm being indecisive about. I've allowed my posts to be freely scrutinized and replied without repercussion, so
116 jsnww81 : This. Each time something like this happens, we see lots of platitudes from Western Muslim leadership about how these acts aren't the true nature of
117 SOBHI51 : [ Because you keep jumping from one accusation to another. Good you should have done that long time ago.
118 WestJet747 : I'll have to respectfully disagree. I see them all as being the same. But we each have the right to our own interpretation, so I'll leave it at that!
119 RomeoBravo : I can understand people calling for torture actually. It's not something i agree with, i don't agree with the death penalty either. This persons shoul
120 Post contains images AeroWesty : I'm not trying to get the last word in, just to clarify a point. The first post by this member set the tone, in my belief, in a context of 'us vs. th
121 SOBHI51 : This is a very dangerous guy. If this is proven this guy must face prosecution for murder.
122 Post contains images SOBHI51 : First this member have a name and you used it few times. Yes it is us the world against them the terrorists. If i wanted to type Westy i would have d
123 kiwirob : I think this murder is being blown all out of proportion to what it really was, two idiots stabbing a guy to death on the side of a road. I don't thin
124 GDB : The thing with them is, when we first saw manifestations of extreme Islamism in the UK, were the calls from some for the murder of Salmam Rushdie, fo
125 Post contains links shamrock350 : They murdered a British soldier "in the name of Allah" and declared war on the British people saying "you and your children will be next" so that alo
126 MD11Engineer : Actually, being British citizens (or British Subjects), can´t they be tried under the treason laws and helping an enemy during wartime? Jan
127 777way : non whites don't really care, so make that a fraction, yes theres trouble off and on in some non white countries but nothing like the paranoia and di
128 corinthians : Hmmm...Philippines? Thailand? India? China? Russia? Copts? Lebanese/Syrian Christians? They all have problems with Islamic terrorism and all view Isl
129 777way : Yeah but they are non white and not paranoid as you imagine, for you all its more a white west vs islam thing, for them there is nothing like that, y
130 kiwirob : Sure sounds like a couple of idiots to me.
131 RussianJet : Racist much? I didn't think out and out racism and prejudice was tolerated here.
132 11Bravo : I think that is right on the mark. In the US we are in the process of re-evaluating several items that would result in significantly lower immigratio
133 Dano1977 : Whilst I believe the MCB are very sincere in what they say, and i'm sure they are shocked and appalled at what has happened. How about some action. A
134 corinthians : You are saying this is only a White vs Islam issue and that is not true. All most majorities of those countries (and probably many others) do have de
135 777way : its very true, youre just trying to make yourself feel good the world is with you all its not like that, they are muslisms in their own communities a
136 Post contains links and images OA260 : Well I guess when you live in Egypt / Syria / Iraq and Lebanon to name a few and certain Islamic groups are actively trying to wipe you out 24/7 you
137 777way : Still their own people, have you looked at what Punjabi Christians look like compared to muslims of the same background, not an iota of difference, t
138 GDB : House searches and arrests are continuing, including elsewhere in the UK. Whether any kind of cell is being rolled up or it's precautionary for questi
139 shamrock350 : Unfortunately these idiots were able to brutally take the life of an innocent man in the middle of the day while praising Allah and preaching hate ag
140 corinthians : You are either completely blind or delusional. If you choose not to see the facts and what really goes on in these other countries, well, that’s yo
141 777way : List could go on...[/quote] You are delusional, trying to equate issues of muslims in their own native cultures amongst their own non-muslim people, w
142 Post contains images WestJet747 : Hmm...well he's correct to a point (whatever the context). The way it sounds from this story and others, the UK has a real problem making controversi
143 Post contains links MD11Engineer : Yup. A while ago I met a Bundeswehr sergeant with the name Özbakir. Guess what his religion was. A colleague of mine hails from Aserbeijan. He is a
144 RussianJet : The who now??
145 Post contains links NAV20 : Pretty good summary of the current situation here:- http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ma...lwich-attack-soldier-lee-rigby-mi5 A couple of points rathe
146 DeltaMD90 : Probably beside the point you are trying to make, but every police department I've ever seen teaches more or less the same thing when it comes to fir
147 Post contains links SFBDude : http://www.itv.com/news/2013-05-23/m...rmined-to-stay-united-in-woolwich/ http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-...s-condemn-evil-attack-in-woolwich/ Si
148 Post contains images NAV20 : Not at all, DeltaMD90 - in fact I was taught exactly the same in the army, about half a century ago........ Story also confirms two further arrests:-
149 mariner : I'm cheering the women. The woman who asked to be allowed to comfort or protect the dead or dying man and two women who stood by her. The woman who en
150 Post contains images CXB77L : If reports are correct, he isn't Nigerian, he is a British citizen and therefore British. "His land" is the United Kingdom. I beg to differ. I'm not
151 AeroWesty : Are these countries mentioned 'courageous' in their dealings with the extremists amongst these rebels as suggested the 'west' should be earlier in th
152 WestJet747 : The reports say he is of Nigerian descent, a country which is currently locked in a conflict with Muslim extremists. That's a connection one can't ig
153 AeroWesty : In my view, an extremist is an extremist, and the way one deals with extremists shouldn't vary due to their country of birth, except when issues such
154 DIJKKIJK : What makes you think that EU's anti-terror or immigration laws are easier than the British ones? If anything, it is the opposite. The UK, particularl
155 stealthz : I agree, the true heros of the day, disregarded their own safety to comfort Lee Rigby as he lay dying, engaged and talked down a violent and armed ma
156 JJJ : You may have missed this bit:
157 AyostoLeon : As it appears to be a prerequisite for some, allow me to preface my comments with a condemnation of this appalling act of violence. Whatever views one
158 AeroWesty : Since you're now the second person to bring this point up, let's clarify it. If there had been others repeatedly critical in their perception of the
159 SOBHI51 : Untrue and you know it, you attacked me on few things, including showing no sympathy to the victim and his family, while tens of others including you
160 SOBHI51 : I would like to join AeroWesty in welcoming you to Anet
161 AeroWesty : You may, if you wish, quote those other members who repetitively called for death/public justice, if it would make you feel better about the position
162 SOBHI51 : Defending my position is not a waste of time, i asked you a question you did not answer, did you not attack me on the sympathy not shown while tens o
163 AeroWesty : Let's put what I said into context, here's the full exchange: It was clear to me at that point in the text that your concern was more for preventing
164 SOBHI51 : Asking for tough laws is advocating violence? Since when? First you asked me to condemn the act i clearly did so you went to this Now you are allowed
165 SoJo : Right people, just found this on a poker site. It should sum up how most of us feel. Just out for a walk after an early stack Not looking for trouble
166 rwy04lga : Disdain is the correct word. Free, maybe for you.....for him? Maybe not!
167 Post contains images SOBHI51 : R.I.P.
168 shamrock350 : Mine too. Seeing his family in the press conference today was very difficult viewing. R.I.P Lee Rigby
169 Post contains links NAV20 : Video here of the 'last phase.' The police certainly didn't 'muck around,' I make it eight shots fired, at close range. No wonder those guys are 'too
170 cjg225 : I wonder what the last two shots were for, because the video obscures the second suspect for the majority of the time. But there the police, in my op
171 Post contains links NAV20 : More information here - apparently the second guy had a gun. Maybe he went on reaching for it? http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ttack-video-wat
172 AyostoLeon : Thank you both for your kind welcome. AeroWesty, I will continue along my original question. Scanning the posts above, before your questioning SOBHI5
173 AeroWesty : I thought I was very clear on that point in reply #163. Hope you're enjoying your new membership on a.net!
174 na : Perverted islamists are doing a great deed for their religion. They do exactly the opposite for Allah as what they probably intend in their perverted
175 Post contains links NAV20 : There's a good chance they will, na. I find that the London Metropolitan Police, like most security forces in the world, now use 'hollow point' ammun
176 Post contains links AyostoLeon : The BBC web site is now reporting that one of the assassins was approached by MI5 and asked whether he was prepared to work with them. It is alleged t
177 Post contains links SoJo : So the cull begins for the people who have a voice and want to be heard. Wonder how many Islamists have been arrested? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-en
178 AyostoLeon : From the report it is not clear what they were actually assumed to be guilty of, so it is hard to make an absolute judgment. If the people involved w
179 Post contains images WestJet747 : I don't think my point may have been clear. I was pointing out the difference between fighting an extremist who comes from another country, and one t
180 Flaps : I cannot help but wonder if this had occurred in a nation that allows an armed citizenry if one or several of those bystanders would have taken a more
181 AyostoLeon : It is an interesting question. What ifs are always hard to answer and it is not possible to predict that things would have been any different. The fi
182 Aesma : The perps would then have had guns too and more dead people would be the end result.
183 AeroWesty : The perps in the attack this week did have guns (at least one of them, from reports). If there had been armed citizens in the area, it would have com
184 Flaps : That is the part that throws me, the sheep like actions of the bystanders. It seems to me that there were an awful lot of people around but no one di
185 JJJ : Because it's quite clear that the murderer converted to Islam while in Britain by middle-eastern preachers. Coming from a Christian family it's extre
186 AyostoLeon : Doubtful may be. Extremely, we can not be sure. Questions remain as to how it is that someone from an apparently "respectable" family can not only co
187 Aesma : About wannabee terrorists recently arrested in France, who were not "born Muslim", a French specialist said that for some converts they feel rejected
188 GDB : I cannot help but wonder if this had occurred in a nation that allows an armed citizenry if one or several of those bystanders would have taken a mor
189 cjg225 : Yeah, probably. I have been taking the links I've seen here to another forum and when I posted the link with the shootout video on that forum, I real
190 Post contains links NAV20 : Three more men arrested in SE London:- http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013...ested_n_3337106.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
191 MD11Engineer : Nav, The police use hollow pount bullets mainly for two reasons: 1) Stopping power and 2) to reduce the risk of innocent bystanders getting hit. The
192 Post contains images NAV20 : Thanks, Jan, interesting information. Possibly ironic that the police can now use them, but soldiers still can't - but, as I said, I'm not bothered ab
193 Post contains links ImperialEagle : The more of these incidents that occur the more the mainstream media tries to sweep the news under the rug, except it was really hard this time. I tho
194 AyostoLeon : Really? Are you suggesting that it is a daily occurrence that in the UK soldiers are being hacked to death? As to the linked article, that you descri
195 Post contains links AeroWesty : Agreed that in any emotionally charged issue, one should strive to be as factually accurate as possible. Was there another cowardly stabbing of a sev
196 AyostoLeon : Thank you for your contribution. I have indeed made a mistake and am happy to admit it. The attack was prior to the Woolwich incident. How silly of m
197 AeroWesty : Of course, which is why I believe we should be as scrupulous in our own writings as we expect from others, so we don't inadvertently feed upon or con
198 AyostoLeon : Absolutely and you are correct. So what are your opinions on what has transpired in Woolwich over the past few days?
199 GDB : For something 'swept under the carpet', it dominated the news here for several days and is still a live issue as more arrests continue. It also renew
200 AeroWesty : I've already expressed my opinions on this subject where I had an opinion. I don't belong to any of the particular groups which were affected by this
201 falstaff : Meat cleavers and knives make a much bigger statement. Remember when those nuts cut off the reporters head? They could have just shot him, but when y
202 GDB : Most of the big massacres have been done by the perp local to where he lives, often killing those known to them, not just immediate family either. So
203 falstaff : Thanks for the insult (I'm an endowment member of the NRA). The armed citizen stories are verified though local newspapers and can be research by any
204 Post contains links NAV20 : One of the suspects just appeared in court. Remanded in custody, and charged with murder:- "London: One of the two main suspects, charged with murderi
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