SAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 6894 times:
Israel confirmed its place as apartheid South Africa's successor in institutionalised racism when its cabinet endorsed a bill outlawing the purchase of land in 'Jewish areas' by Arabs. This bill is a replica of the Group Areas Act, which was a cornerstone of apartheid.
Mish1234 From Canada, joined Jun 1999, 298 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6830 times:
Ok, if I understand this correctly.. there saying Arab famliy wants to live in Jewish community, but is not allowed because of this bill..
ok first thing I have to say.. GOOD... they can stay just where they are, If we (Israelis) arent allowed to visit or live in there regions.. than what gives them the right to live in ours!?! Also forgot to mention that all Arabs that live in Israel right now support suicide bombings. They keep the terriost in there houses, feed them, treat them like family, than they are off to there mission.
Yeah.. let me remind u.. these are Arabs living in Israel.
Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 6791 times:
Have I heard it right? "All Arabs support suicide bombings"? That's the same as somebody would say ALL Israelis kill innocent Plaestinians...
You better start thinking before writing.
By the way, I don't regard Israel as democratic country any longer...new apartheid laws in a so-called democratic and civilized country, unbelievable. I thought racism had been overcome in the so-called Western world during last century. But obviously I'm wrong, welcome to Israel in the 21st century...
Go Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11 Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 6791 times:
I cant support racism, this links into news that a bill is being introduced by a crack-pot right wing rabbi that sees only jews being able to purchase government land. If an israeli arab wants to buy land then i think they have a right to do so.
udo-what i think the translation was meant to mean was that a MAJORITY of palestinains and arabs support suicide bombers,thats not to say all palestinains are terrorists and i hope no-body makes that statement.
You are right it would be the same as saying all israelis kill innocent palestinains.
it would also be the same as saying all israelis are legitmate targets, unfortunately, a few on airliners have this view.
It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6766 times:
While I agree that this is an over-reaction on the part of Israel's government, and can only lead to further tension, in another sense I really don't blame them. When suicide bombers are coming from the general population of Palestinians, why would anyone want them in your community? It's inviting trouble.
And Udo, why aren't they a democracy? They took a vote on it-there is even public dissension on the issue. If Israel wasn't a democacy, I doubt highly you'd here about any of the dissension that is emminating from there.
Sadly, all this action and reaction is the result of the continued violence in the region. It is, again, a never-ending cycle. And if the Palestinians, just for once, would give peace a chance instead of resorting to terror, you might find that such proposed laws would be unnecessary.
And once again, I can't help but comment on the one-track mind of the author. I won't even dignify him by name. It's all he thinks about. I feel sorry for him in some ways, that he's so obsessed with this issue and his own hatreds.
Avi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 935 posts, RR: 6 Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6742 times:
You confuse things here. This (very bad) bill has nothing to do with the Palestinians, it against Israeli Arabs.
This is not a low and it will never be one. It passed in the government because the left side of it already left (this is why it came up anyway). To be a low it must pass the Knesset (Israeli parliament) and I don't believe it will.
Even if it does, I can promise you that there will be an appeal to the high court and they WILL cancel it (and it won't be the first time they cancel an illegal low).
Hepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 6730 times:
First of all, this law has NOTHING to do with Palestinians. This law prevents Israeli citizens of Arab descent from owning lands in their own country. This is meets every definition of discrimination and is quickly approaching that of apartheid.
This was discussed last night on CNN, and in the report we also found out that Israeli Arabs are denied jobs, denied housing, their communities are denied welfare services (they have the worst roads, their schools are under funded and overcrowded in comparison to Jewish schools), have to face strict security checks (even though they are Israeli citizens) all because of their ethnicity.
Such a system would NEVER, EVER be allowed in the U.S. (my God, the uproar!), and like someone else said, if Austria were to pass a law saying Austrian Jews are not allowed to purchase lands, or if Austria were to legally discriminate against Austrian Jews, we'd NEVER hear the end of it - they'd be suspended from the EU, they'd lose their membership on international bodies, they'd face sanctions from the EU, UN and US, and would be ostracized by every country great and small. Why is Israel allowed to do this, and where is the international uproar? And why do they still claim to be an outpost of western democratic values and principles?
I'm afraid this latest move by Israel shows their government for they are. They don't care about peace, they don't care about following the rule of law, they care about one thing and one thing only - JEWISHNESS. The whole state is founded to perpetuate Jewishness, to accept only Jews, to only look after Jews. This is as RACIST an idea as I've ever heard. Jews from all over the world have the automatic right to immigrate to Israel and enjoy every freedom known to man, but the non-Jew has to jump through hurdles and barriers, and even if he gets there, does not have the same rights as the Jew BY LAW.
SAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 6719 times:
Alpha 1, I have many other things to occupy my time - and I can assure you that my interest in the ME comes solely from my friendship with many Israelis, Palestinians and others in the ME. Tell me, exactly how many Israeli/Arab friends do you have, personally?
Hatred is too strong a term for something that I do not have a personal emotional investment in. Yes, I have a strong dislike of the current neo-Fascist Sharon regime. I have a strong dislike of bullies and thugs.
SAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6683 times:
I have several (6, out of around 30) Israeli friends that would regard what the Palestinians are doing as understandable. They don't like it, but they understand why it's happening. Of course, they are on the left politically. Of the others, a significant percentage are somewhat to the right of Attila the Hun, with a couple believing that Sharon is a wimp and puppet of Bush; and that Bibi wasted his chances. Like our old friend TNNH, they feel that there should be a 'final solution' for the Palestinian problem.
The emotional climate in Israel at the moment is very reminiscent of South Africa in the mid/late 1980s. There's a siege - or as we used to say in South Africa, a laager - mentality where they are arrayed against the rest of the world. This has the effect of radically polarising opinion locally, and that's very dangerous indeed. In South Africa, it brought the country to the brink of nuclear war (as part of the 'Total Onslaught') before cooler minds prevailed.
If the same happens with Israel, it will affect every single one of us, like it or not.
Avi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 935 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6708 times:
…Why is Israel allowed to do this, and where is the international uproar?
As I said, it is not a law and it won't be one.
The whole state is founded to perpetuate Jewishness, to accept only Jews, to only look after Jews. This is as RACIST an idea as I've ever heard
You right and wrong at the same time.
Israel was founded as the only state in the world that Jews could live there without being persecuted.
Only 3 years after the holocaust, when part of the Christian world tried to erase the Jews from the world and the other part didn't do anything to stop it (The British and the American knew what was going on way before the end of the war but did nothing to stop it and let's not mention the church role).
Israel became the only home for the Jews around the world so every Jew in the world can come to the only place in the world where he is wanted and welcome.
This is not 'RACIST' as you said, it is SURVIVAL.
When the Jews won't be majority in Israel, Israel will stop to exist (I guess you don't have any problem with that) and there will be a second holocaust (and don't bother to tell me that I'm wrong. I know my people history and I know my neighbors).
Wn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6665 times:
(The British and the American knew what was going on way before the end of the war but did nothing to stop it and let's not mention the church role).
This has me laughing audibly. I'm not saying you are wrong, indeed you are quite right, but what's funny is that we also know what you are doing to the palastinians and not doing a thing about it. Seems funny to complain about something that is working in your favour...
Avi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 935 posts, RR: 6 Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6649 times:
Seems funny to complain about something that is working in your favour...
Don't you have a shame? How can you compare? And what are doing to them exactly and WHY?
Just to remind you, there was a peace process here, Israel was in a withdrawal process from the GS and WB and the PA blew it up. THEY started the Intifada and the terror attacks against Israel and stop it all. Israel had nothing to do with it.
I don't remember German buses exploded just like that or any other violence act.
One reason why the US, EU and even Arab leaders aren't doing anything here (anymore) is because they gave up from one leader here (and if you fallow the news, you know which one).
Mish1234 From Canada, joined Jun 1999, 298 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6627 times:
Wn700driver: I hope that your aware that for almost a year, Israel delivered food and supplies to the palastian people. Thanks to the IDF, and Israeli tax dollars.. they had food.. than they got cocky, so we stopped.. thats why they just suddently "ran out of food" in the last few months.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6605 times:
SAS23, I have no problem at all with your basic stance on Israel. There is nothing that says you must like them. But contrary to what you say, you do more than dislike them; you hate them with a passion that's very frightening. You publically legitimize the use of terror against their citizens; you have called their citizens fair game; you call them fascists and nazi's, which you use simply to inflame; you have called for international force against them.
Plus, you use this hatred to slander members on this forum; calling them Neo-Nazi's and fascists for supporting their right to exist and to defend themselves; you call for the banishment of a member simply because that member calls you on every outlandish thing you say on here; and it's the ONLY subject you ever discuss on here.
So you can keep your far-out beliefs. I have no beef with that, but when you take it to extremes, I'm truly amazed that you think me and others on here with a shred of decency about them won't respond.