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Israel Introduces More Apartheid Laws  
User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6981 times:

Israel confirmed its place as apartheid South Africa's successor in institutionalised racism when its cabinet endorsed a bill outlawing the purchase of land in 'Jewish areas' by Arabs. This bill is a replica of the Group Areas Act, which was a cornerstone of apartheid.

http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/international.cfm?id=739982002



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User currently offlineMish1234 From Canada, joined Jun 1999, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6917 times:

Ok, if I understand this correctly.. there saying Arab famliy wants to live in Jewish community, but is not allowed because of this bill..

ok first thing I have to say.. GOOD... they can stay just where they are, If we (Israelis) arent allowed to visit or live in there regions.. than what gives them the right to live in ours!?! Also forgot to mention that all Arabs that live in Israel right now support suicide bombings. They keep the terriost in there houses, feed them, treat them like family, than they are off to there mission.
Yeah.. let me remind u.. these are Arabs living in Israel.




User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6899 times:

Is this article based upon fact? If so, why aren't the Israelis in the UN explaining their racist behaviour?

I thought we were well past the racial segregation issues in the "democratic" world. Or is democracy in Israel only for the jews?



VH-ADG


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6903 times:

Sorry guys, but this thread should be locked. There is already a Israeli/Palestinian thread active. Hey, not my choice, but it is what we all "agreed" upon.

User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6878 times:

Have I heard it right? "All Arabs support suicide bombings"? That's the same as somebody would say ALL Israelis kill innocent Plaestinians...

You better start thinking before writing.

By the way, I don't regard Israel as democratic country any longer...new apartheid laws in a so-called democratic and civilized country, unbelievable. I thought racism had been overcome in the so-called Western world during last century. But obviously I'm wrong, welcome to Israel in the 21st century...


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6883 times:

Please imagine Germany would today introduce a law: "Jews are not allowed to buy land in Christian areas".

"they can stay just where they are, If we (Israelis) arent allowed to visit or live in there regions"

We all know many things go wrong in these countries. No reasons for the "island of democracy" to go as low as other countries.

To be honest, this law really sounds extremely like Apartheid.


User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6877 times:

The retort will be that Jews can't/couldn't buy land in Tunisia or somesuch.

So I guess 2 wrongs make a right once again.
Or: Israel is just another Middle East shite-hole sinking deeper into the pit with US welfare money instead of oil to lubricate its descent.



` Yeaah! Baade 152! Trabi of the Sky! '
User currently offlineKrushny From Spain, joined Dec 2000, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6873 times:

Let me add that there are Israeli voices claiming against this law. The Editorial today of the Haaretz newspaper is titled "A racist bill" .
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=184617&contrassID=2&subContrassID=3&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y&itemNo=184617

Sometimes it looks like Israel is a place where the lunatics have taken over the asylum. And the funny thing is that the people who cheer here this kind of decisions are never Israelis themselves...



User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6878 times:

I cant support racism, this links into news that a bill is being introduced by a crack-pot right wing rabbi that sees only jews being able to purchase government land. If an israeli arab wants to buy land then i think they have a right to do so.

udo-what i think the translation was meant to mean was that a MAJORITY of palestinains and arabs support suicide bombers,thats not to say all palestinains are terrorists and i hope no-body makes that statement.
You are right it would be the same as saying all israelis kill innocent palestinains.

it would also be the same as saying all israelis are legitmate targets, unfortunately, a few on airliners have this view.



It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6835 times:

Sorry guys, but this thread should be locked. There is already a Israeli/Palestinian thread active. Hey, not my choice, but it is what we all "agreed" upon.

Please. Give me a break KKROC. You know damned well that the rule really is only one pro Israel I v. P thread at a time. THI can start as many threads as they like.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6853 times:

While I agree that this is an over-reaction on the part of Israel's government, and can only lead to further tension, in another sense I really don't blame them. When suicide bombers are coming from the general population of Palestinians, why would anyone want them in your community? It's inviting trouble.

And Udo, why aren't they a democracy? They took a vote on it-there is even public dissension on the issue. If Israel wasn't a democacy, I doubt highly you'd here about any of the dissension that is emminating from there.

Sadly, all this action and reaction is the result of the continued violence in the region. It is, again, a never-ending cycle. And if the Palestinians, just for once, would give peace a chance instead of resorting to terror, you might find that such proposed laws would be unnecessary.

And once again, I can't help but comment on the one-track mind of the author. I won't even dignify him by name. It's all he thinks about. I feel sorry for him in some ways, that he's so obsessed with this issue and his own hatreds.


User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6831 times:

remember apha one..according to some-one its you and me who resort to the 'name' calling.. Laugh out loud Laugh out loud Laugh out loud




It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 942 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6829 times:

You confuse things here. This (very bad) bill has nothing to do with the Palestinians, it against Israeli Arabs.

This is not a low and it will never be one. It passed in the government because the left side of it already left (this is why it came up anyway). To be a low it must pass the Knesset (Israeli parliament) and I don't believe it will.
Even if it does, I can promise you that there will be an appeal to the high court and they WILL cancel it (and it won't be the first time they cancel an illegal low).





Long live the B747
User currently offlineHepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6817 times:

First of all, this law has NOTHING to do with Palestinians. This law prevents Israeli citizens of Arab descent from owning lands in their own country. This is meets every definition of discrimination and is quickly approaching that of apartheid.

This was discussed last night on CNN, and in the report we also found out that Israeli Arabs are denied jobs, denied housing, their communities are denied welfare services (they have the worst roads, their schools are under funded and overcrowded in comparison to Jewish schools), have to face strict security checks (even though they are Israeli citizens) all because of their ethnicity.

Such a system would NEVER, EVER be allowed in the U.S. (my God, the uproar!), and like someone else said, if Austria were to pass a law saying Austrian Jews are not allowed to purchase lands, or if Austria were to legally discriminate against Austrian Jews, we'd NEVER hear the end of it - they'd be suspended from the EU, they'd lose their membership on international bodies, they'd face sanctions from the EU, UN and US, and would be ostracized by every country great and small. Why is Israel allowed to do this, and where is the international uproar? And why do they still claim to be an outpost of western democratic values and principles?

I'm afraid this latest move by Israel shows their government for they are. They don't care about peace, they don't care about following the rule of law, they care about one thing and one thing only - JEWISHNESS. The whole state is founded to perpetuate Jewishness, to accept only Jews, to only look after Jews. This is as RACIST an idea as I've ever heard. Jews from all over the world have the automatic right to immigrate to Israel and enjoy every freedom known to man, but the non-Jew has to jump through hurdles and barriers, and even if he gets there, does not have the same rights as the Jew BY LAW.

Let me just stop before my emotions betray me.


User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6806 times:

Alpha 1, I have many other things to occupy my time - and I can assure you that my interest in the ME comes solely from my friendship with many Israelis, Palestinians and others in the ME. Tell me, exactly how many Israeli/Arab friends do you have, personally?

Hatred is too strong a term for something that I do not have a personal emotional investment in. Yes, I have a strong dislike of the current neo-Fascist Sharon regime. I have a strong dislike of bullies and thugs.

Do you have a problem with that?


User currently offlineWn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6811 times:

Sometimes it looks like Israel is a place where the lunatics have taken over the asylum. And the funny thing is that the people who cheer here this kind of decisions are never Israelis themselves...

understandable, but the people who MAKE & vote for these laws neccessarily are...


User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6799 times:

"Alpha 1, I have many other things to occupy my time - and I can assure you that my interest in the ME comes solely from my friendship with many Israelis, Palestinians and others in the ME."

rubbish

How many israelis do you know sas23, who would agree with your view that israeli civilains are legitmate targets for terrorists?

I post regarding the middle east because im at a centre promoting jewish-non jewish relations.

the only interest you have is stirring up trouble.



It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6770 times:

I have several (6, out of around 30) Israeli friends that would regard what the Palestinians are doing as understandable. They don't like it, but they understand why it's happening. Of course, they are on the left politically. Of the others, a significant percentage are somewhat to the right of Attila the Hun, with a couple believing that Sharon is a wimp and puppet of Bush; and that Bibi wasted his chances. Like our old friend TNNH, they feel that there should be a 'final solution' for the Palestinian problem.

The emotional climate in Israel at the moment is very reminiscent of South Africa in the mid/late 1980s. There's a siege - or as we used to say in South Africa, a laager - mentality where they are arrayed against the rest of the world. This has the effect of radically polarising opinion locally, and that's very dangerous indeed. In South Africa, it brought the country to the brink of nuclear war (as part of the 'Total Onslaught') before cooler minds prevailed.

If the same happens with Israel, it will affect every single one of us, like it or not.


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6747 times:

I'll have to agree with GoCanada!
SAS23 does his best to create an inflammatory environment--just barely on the side of not being flamebait, per se.

Why are the moderators not seeing this?
Furthermore, why are we allowing more than a single Israeli/Palestinian post.


User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 942 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6795 times:

Hepkat,

…Why is Israel allowed to do this, and where is the international uproar?

As I said, it is not a law and it won't be one.

The whole state is founded to perpetuate Jewishness, to accept only Jews, to only look after Jews. This is as RACIST an idea as I've ever heard

You right and wrong at the same time.
Israel was founded as the only state in the world that Jews could live there without being persecuted.
Only 3 years after the holocaust, when part of the Christian world tried to erase the Jews from the world and the other part didn't do anything to stop it (The British and the American knew what was going on way before the end of the war but did nothing to stop it and let's not mention the church role).

Israel became the only home for the Jews around the world so every Jew in the world can come to the only place in the world where he is wanted and welcome.

This is not 'RACIST' as you said, it is SURVIVAL.
When the Jews won't be majority in Israel, Israel will stop to exist (I guess you don't have any problem with that) and there will be a second holocaust (and don't bother to tell me that I'm wrong. I know my people history and I know my neighbors).



Long live the B747
User currently offlineWn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6752 times:

(The British and the American knew what was going on way before the end of the war but did nothing to stop it and let's not mention the church role).

This has me laughing audibly. I'm not saying you are wrong, indeed you are quite right, but what's funny is that we also know what you are doing to the palastinians and not doing a thing about it. Seems funny to complain about something that is working in your favour...


User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 942 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6736 times:

Seems funny to complain about something that is working in your favour...

Don't you have a shame? How can you compare? And what are doing to them exactly and WHY?

Just to remind you, there was a peace process here, Israel was in a withdrawal process from the GS and WB and the PA blew it up. THEY started the Intifada and the terror attacks against Israel and stop it all. Israel had nothing to do with it.
I don't remember German buses exploded just like that or any other violence act.

One reason why the US, EU and even Arab leaders aren't doing anything here (anymore) is because they gave up from one leader here (and if you fallow the news, you know which one).




Long live the B747
User currently offlineMish1234 From Canada, joined Jun 1999, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6714 times:

Wn700driver: I hope that your aware that for almost a year, Israel delivered food and supplies to the palastian people. Thanks to the IDF, and Israeli tax dollars.. they had food.. than they got cocky, so we stopped.. thats why they just suddently "ran out of food" in the last few months.



User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6692 times:

SAS23, I have no problem at all with your basic stance on Israel. There is nothing that says you must like them. But contrary to what you say, you do more than dislike them; you hate them with a passion that's very frightening. You publically legitimize the use of terror against their citizens; you have called their citizens fair game; you call them fascists and nazi's, which you use simply to inflame; you have called for international force against them.

Plus, you use this hatred to slander members on this forum; calling them Neo-Nazi's and fascists for supporting their right to exist and to defend themselves; you call for the banishment of a member simply because that member calls you on every outlandish thing you say on here; and it's the ONLY subject you ever discuss on here.

So you can keep your far-out beliefs. I have no beef with that, but when you take it to extremes, I'm truly amazed that you think me and others on here with a shred of decency about them won't respond.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6685 times:

and yet.......Israel remains the ONLY democracy in the Mideast, with the best human rights records of any Mideast country. In this light, this law doesn't seem so bad.

SAS23.....what's your opinion on Saudi treatment of women?




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
25 TWAmerican : from tnnh: ---------------------- Like our old friend TNNH, they feel that there should be a 'final solution' for the Palestinian problem. First of al
26 David B. : Please don't relay message from that guy.
27 Post contains images Twamerican : too late! TWAmerican
28 Blink182 : My apologies if I have repeated what many have said above as I only read about the first two or so. But here's my take. Normally I am against aparthei
29 Super Em : Very interesting and important yet you will never hear of this story on the mainstream news. That's why I don't bother watching. Remember the saying "
30 Boeing4ever : The same thing happened to Jews in Germany (later all of occupied Europe) before and during WW2. They complain, and have Germany pay millions for this
31 SAS23 : Don't forget that the Nazis started their genocide of the Jews through similar stripping of rights ... this is yet another policy that the Israelis ha
32 Post contains images Mish1234 : This is a waste of time, why are u even comparing ww2 stuff to the current situation.. its an Intifada...They (Palastians) wanted this right? THats wh
33 Post contains links and images SAS23 : Very worryingly, the Israelis are now targetting moderate Palestinians. It's increasingly clear that the Sharon regime has no interest in peace whatso
34 Racko : "and yet.......Israel remains the ONLY democracy in the Mideast, with the best human rights records of any Mideast country. In this light, this law do
35 Post contains links Krushny : About murderings of jews by local people in WWII : http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/Full&cid=1025787742474
36 Alpha 1 : I have a serious question: Are all citizens of Palestine (Gaza, Westbank etc.) allowed to elect in Israel ? If not, then you can't really call it a de
37 Go Canada! : a general point,Palestinains have a right to vote in their elections, they dont have the right to vote in israeli elections, if they want to be indepe
38 Flyboy36y : Unless they're citizens of Israel-and most of them are NOT, then why the hell should they be allowed to vote in Israel. Most of them fall under the PA
39 SAS23 : Alpha 1, actually what the Israelis have done with the Palestinians is the same as the South Africans did under the Group Areas Act with the blacks. T
40 Racko : "Unless they're citizens of Israel-and most of them are NOT, then why the hell should they be allowed to vote in Israel. Most of them fall under the P
41 Alpha 1 : Because Israel rules over them ? Sorry, Racko, but that's a non-starter. Israel doesn't rule over them-they have occupied their terroritory because of
42 Racko : If Israel has occupied their territory, then it rules over them. Either let them live their life or give them citizienship of Israel including full ri
43 Alpha 1 : If Israel has occupied their territory, then it rules over them. Either let them live their life or give them citizienship of Israel including full ri
44 Racko : Alpha, "The Germans didn't do it when it conquered most of Europe in WW II" Yes, but was it right what Germany did ? No, it wasn't. Was it right what
45 ADG : Bull cookies!! He makes a valid point and that's your response? If the Palestinians would just stop terrorizing Israelis then maybe they'd find their
46 Us330 : Voodoo's statement "So I guess 2 wrongs make a right once again. Or: Israel is just another Middle East shite-hole sinking deeper into the pit with US
47 David B. : Divert the money to Israel Amtrak and education. It makes much more sense.
48 Avi : Racko: Because Israel rules over them ? Israel keeps destroying the PA, so they don't want them to be a government. But someone has to be the governme
49 Post contains links Krushny : Fresh news : http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/Full&cid=1025787758432 I think that one of the signers of this racist
50 Alpha 1 : He makes a valid point and that's your response? No, ADG, my response was BEYOND that, if you had taken your head out of your you-know-what and bother
51 Racko : "I've never said otherwise, ADG. They're an occupying force because of consistent acts of violence against Israel by those they occupy." So if an Amer
52 ADG : In intelligent, educated democratic countries that type of behaviour is illegal. Guess that says it all. VH-ADG
53 Avi : ADG, I guess you prefer to forget that Israel withdrew from ALL of the PA populated areas in the GS (and never came back) and from the majority of the
54 Alpha 1 : So if an American commits a suicide attack in Mexico, Mexico would be allowed to occupy the whole USA? And I'm sure you would criticize the US Army fo
55 Go Canada! : SAS23, Im shocked that even an dedicated israeli hater can try and state that the israeli government for successive generations is no better than the
56 Alpha 1 : go Canada, why are you shocked? This guy equates Israel to Nazi Germany. In his mind, the deaths of 50 million in WW II is no worse than the war Israe
57 Post contains images SAS23 : Go Canada! your grasp of history is remarkably poor. In 1933, the Germans were not rounding up and executing the Jews ... the 'final solution' had not
58 Wn700driver : Sharon won't be committed to peace until he is in the ground... Also, stop talking about the holocaust. It's a slap in the face to the non-jews killed
59 EL-AL : I am against those lows!!! Those lows are ugly, anti-modren, resizem that give a bad view over Israel. I am ashaimed that my goverment accepted those
60 Post contains images SAS23 : El-Al - well said. Now, if only there were more people like you in Israel - especially in the government - then there might be a real chance for peace
61 EL-AL : You see SAS, even we can agree on something! But for your information, most of the people in Israel think like me, the problem is in the government. B
62 Avi : I am against those lows!!! Those lows are ugly, anti-modren, resizem that give a bad view over Israel. I am ashaimed that my goverment accepted those
63 ADG : I guess you prefer to forget that Israel withdrew from ALL of the PA populated areas in the GS (and never came back) and from the majority of them in
64 Go Canada! : sas23 "Go Canada! your grasp of history is remarkably poor. In 1933, the Germans were not rounding up and executing the Jews ... the 'final solution'
65 Post contains images SAS23 : Go Canada! - the settlements being dismantled are small satellite ones that are very expensive for the government to protect. Sharon is on record as s
66 LY744 : As expected, the bill (which deserves all the reasonable criticism it gets) has been scrapped, although I'm sure none of you IL-bashers care about tha
67 Racko : A court is now checking the bill and will probably end the story of this law. Luckily Sharon realized that they were doing bullshit.
68 ADG : As expected, the bill (which deserves all the reasonable criticism it gets) has been scrapped, although I'm sure none of you IL-bashers care about tha
69 Alpha 1 : Actually, you'd be wrong (how strange!). I am pleased to hear that it has been scrapped, however there remains the issue that they raised it in the fi
70 LY744 : "Actually, you'd be wrong" Of course, but in what? LY744.
71 Post contains images Twaneedsnohelp : As I mentioned in the other thread, this thread is now completely useless. The debated law about the Jewish only neighborhoods was discarded by the Is
72 ADG : TWA, and thus an attempt to ignore the fact that the bill was raised in the first place. It's a typical pro-Israeli stand to try and stifle the free s
73 EmiratesLover : This is an interesting post. Actually the discrimination and apartheid style treatment of Israeli Arabs has been part of the Israeli policy for decade
74 ADG : EL, That's certainly what I had read. Thank goodness this bill was defeated but their next move is to legislate against discrimination of any type. Ju
75 Twaneedsnohelp : and thus an attempt to ignore the fact that the bill was raised in the first place. It's a typical pro-Israeli stand to try and stifle the free speech
76 SAS23 : ... but not Palestinians, which they murder and oppress.
77 Post contains images Twaneedsnohelp : ....who do the same to the Israelis! Plus Palestinians are not Israelis and are not covered by Israel's constitution. Of course this situation is less
78 ADG : I was being sarcastic. See the smiley. I am on record as being completely anti-deletion on anything, including your hate-filled posts. In fact many mo
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