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Food Network Dropping Paula Deen Over Racial Slurs  
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4325 times:

Official: Food Network will not renew Paula Deen's contract

Quote:
New York (CNN) -- Celebrity chef Paula Deen's contract with the Food Network will not be renewed, the network said Friday, the latest fallout over revelations this week that she admitted to using a racial epithet in the past.

Deen's contract with the network, which airs three shows featuring the chef, expires at the end of the month, it said.

The Food Network's announcement followed reports that Deen acknowledged in a lawsuit deposition to using the "N word." Earlier in the week, the network said it would monitor the situation, but that it "does not tolerate any form of discrimination."

It isn't the first time Deen has been in the thick of controversy, but she was forgiven the last time over her diabetes hypocrisy. I guess they'll be doubling up on 'The Next Food Network Star' episodes!


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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2920 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4317 times:

I cannot wait to see what Anthony Bourdain has to say about this. They seem to have an ongoing fued

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/anthony...een/story?id=15386289#.UcVJTLXU_Qg



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5033 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4277 times:

The incident that is in question happened years ago. All this really amounts to is some lawyers looking for deep pockets.

What did the people want, a diabetic cooking show?

Will the person who has never used this word please step forward now..... I thought so.

The thought and PC police are working overtime on this one.

How about Kanye West for president?



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
The thought and PC police are working overtime on this one.

I agree. She may have shown some poor judgement but the reaction is way overboard.


User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4235 times:

I agree it's overboard, but Food Network probably really had no alternative. It's a business and profits are what they are after. At one point, you have somebody who has said a word that is a no no and that as almost everyone has mentioned many have used the word at one point in thier lives in some way. She's apologized. It was used awhile ago. An admission of having used the word got her fired. (but the proposal of dressing up the waiters as civil war era slaves didn't help matters too ya know..).

On the other hand, you got sponsors to answer to. You have people who are offended at this who are users of sponsors. You have people who are offended who watch the Food Network.

It's one thng for Food Network to potentially say "Ms Deens opinions and statements do not reflect the views of Food Network etc.etc" "but we stand by her apology and wish to put this behind us. ", but the truth of the matter is, they can't do that without alienating sponsors and much of their viewing public. It is just the way it goes. I know Kanye can use it, and Little Dog rapper (is that a name?) can use it, but Paula Deen can't and since she's a public figure, on Food Network, with programs, and cookbooks with publishers and PR, and products, and whateve she may have with Sears or JC Penney or Macys, any company will have to potentially follow suit and shut her down.

I know, it was said long ago, but sometimes it's going to come back and get you. I haven't read enough about this to wonder had there been something she could have done long ago to nip it in the bud early on. I think the surprise element may have done it and whatever botched cover up or explanation she tried to do.

I'm not black, but what I' ve come to realize in my years of living, is that if someone tells you they are offended about somthing and it is something that isn't part of you, like being gay and being called a F@!*ot, at least have the courtesy to believe them that they are offended even if you aren't.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25251 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4207 times:
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Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 4):
I know Kanye can use it, and Little Dog rapper (is that a name?) can use it, but Paula Deen can't and since she's a public figure, on Food Network, with programs, and cookbooks with publishers and PR, and products, and whateve she may have with Sears or JC Penney or Macys, any company will have to potentially follow suit and shut her down.

I am shocked that they would sack her over this. Surely, there has to be more to it?

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 4):
I'm not black, but what I' ve come to realize in my years of living, is that if someone tells you they are offended about somthing and it is something that isn't part of you, like being gay and being called a F@!*ot, at least have the courtesy to believe them that they are offended even if you aren't.

I can only be offended if I chose to be offended. Someone calls me a faggot I just shrug.

mariner



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4167 times:

News articles on Ms. Deen note that the knowledge of her use of the N-word and some racists attitudes came out from a deposition in a racial discrimination lawsuit brought by a Black former employee at one of the restaurants she has ownership in. One has to wonder if the Plaintiff and their attorney was not getting very far in their lawsuit so leaked out excerpts of Ms. Deen's deposition to force a large $$$ out of court settlement or if don't get the money at least screw her financially and personally.

User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
The thought and PC police are working overtime on this one.

I agree. She may have shown some poor judgement but the reaction is way overboard.

She is an elderly (relatively) woman from Southwest Georgia, and though a hard worker not a very well-educated one. Nobody should be surprised that she would drop words like "nigger" and make jokes about other people. However, given that she has benefited from her image, as a public figure she also bears increased responsibility and will ultimately pay a higher price for what is ultimately a bad joke. She is a public example that such behavior is no longer acceptable. That said, I think a good bit of this is leftover fallout from her decision to hide her diabetes until she could profit from it. That rankled a lot of people who previously admired her and liked her for her sanitized story.

On a personal note, as a Southerner she represents some things about the South that I wish would go away and do not appreciate as having part of my heritage, such use of the word nigger, slurs and epithets and bizarrely pornography in the work place.

[Edited 2013-06-22 06:10:23]

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4127 times:

To be honest I've never liked her show and her cooking style. My girlfriend and I are huge foodies and we watch Food Network and the cooking Channel all the time and switch channels when she comes on.


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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4115 times:

I was watching a debate this morning on this and someone made a good point in that the N word (see I won't even type out the word) really nowadays has a different meaning to younger folk, and does not necessariy carry the same impact with younger blacks and whites as it would with older. That may be considering how rap and prose has perhaps taken back the word to some extent.

Quoting mariner (Reply 5):
I am shocked that they would sack her over this. Surely, there has to be more to it?

I think this is one of those topics that only an American can mostly understand, and moreso even those older than a certain age. Just my opinion. You may think I'm wrong but I don't mind,.

Quoting mariner (Reply 5):
I can only be offended if I chose to be offended. Someone calls me a faggot I just shrug.

Maybe not the best analogy I used. Again, my point above..


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4096 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):The thought and PC police are working overtime on this one.
I agree. She may have shown some poor judgement but the reaction is way overboard.

Agreed it is also overboard.

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 4):
but Food Network probably really had no alternative. It's a business and profits are what they are after.

I sort of agree with this, it is publicity they don't need. But I somewhat doubt that this is the last we will see Paula on that network. Remember a few years ago they canned Robert Irwin allegedly for imbelishing his resume, He was off the network for about a year before they brought him back.

It wouldn't surprise me to see them bring Paula back in a year or two after things calm down.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 6):
One has to wonder if the Plaintiff and their attorney was not getting very far in their lawsuit so leaked out excerpts of Ms. Deen's deposition to force a large $$$ out of court settlement or if don't get the money at least screw her financially and personally.

One does have to wonder about that.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 8):
To be honest I've never liked her show and her cooking style

Back when I had cable I tended to agree with her.....But at least she wasn't Rachel Ray.

Quoting luckyone (Reply 7):
She is an elderly (relatively) woman from Southwest Georgia, and though a hard worker not a very well-educated one. Nobody should be surprised that she would drop words like "nigger" and make jokes about other people.

I wouldn't exactly call her uneducated, she built a couple of very successful buisnesses. But I do agree that she grew up back when bigotry was more prevalent and words like that where more accepted. Things you grew up with can slip out as an adult even though you try and repress them because they aren't acceptable in current times.



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User currently offlinejamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
Will the person who has never used this word please step forward now..... I thought so.

I never have. Is that really so unusual?


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6653 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4071 times:

Quoting luckyone (Reply 7):
On a personal note, as a Southerner she represents some things about the South that I wish would go away and do not appreciate as having part of my heritage, such use of the word nigger, slurs and epithets and bizarrely pornography in the work place.

It's easy to dismiss the incident as "PC police" as if TV overblows things but in real life it's no better, imagine her granddaughter presenting her new black boyfriend to her ! I'd rather not talk about this with my Italian grandmother as I wouldn't like what she would say, and she was born in Tunisia (when it was a colony).

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 9):
I think this is one of those topics that only an American can mostly understand, and moreso even those older than a certain age. Just my opinion. You may think I'm wrong but I don't mind,.

Yeah, it's always strange hearing about the civil rights movement from here, where the 60's mostly evoke the May 68 events and sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll.



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User currently offlineGrisee08 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4041 times:
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Hell, get Gordon Ramsay on there. At his rate, he can do a 30-minute dish in 10 minutes. But then again, they'll probably can him too the minute he says "F*** me!" when he makes a mistake.


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

I've just read parts of Paula Deen's deposition, which is available here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/148813272/...ony-of-Paula-Deen-Date-May-17-2013

Gotta say, if I was in the same position as the Food Network, I wouldn't be able to stand behind her any longer. She's been very much aware of discriminatory language and behavior around her over the years, but has taken a "that's just what men do" attitude towards it all. There were also a couple of other things that were questionable which came out. That's a huge liability the lawyers would insist upon being discharged before others took advantage of it, or even anything more damaging being revealed, no matter how valuable of a property Paula has been for the network.

I remember when she started out as just a shy thing on "Doorknock Dinners", where they'd take a local chef around a neighborhood and offer to cook a family their dinner on just what's in the fridge and pantry. She had a great personality behind the nervousness, so I can see why they developed her as much as possible.



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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3098 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4022 times:

It's funny how some think ending her contract is an overreaction, but if Joe Average ever did that, they'd be calling for his/her head. I'm not saying that what she did was right, but Food Network also has an image to maintain and if they think that having Deen will associate them with her behavior, then it's for the best.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
What did the people want, a diabetic cooking show?

That might be a first, especially for a person who advocates healthy eating but cooks rather unhealthy. Personally, I'd like to see a show that takes into consideration diabetics as their main audience (many adults would benefit).



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11654 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3985 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
What did the people want, a diabetic cooking show?

I think that would be a great idea considering how many diabetics are in this country.

About Paula Deen: I never liked her because of her cooking style. Butter and cream and sugar in everything. Way too much! At least Ina uses fruits and vegetables.

It does not surprise me that a woman born and raised in the South used this word and was so flippant about it. But, she did use it in private. We always kinda knew she was this way but never said anything. So, I don't get the uproar now that it is confirmed. She said a word people don't like when she was at home or in her restaurant. How did I deal with it? I didn't buy her books or watch her shows. Cancelling her show is a bit of an overreaction for something said in private. The audience would have done that for her!



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5033 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 6):
One has to wonder if the Plaintiff and their attorney was not getting very far in their lawsuit so leaked out excerpts of Ms. Deen's deposition to force a large $$$ out of court settlement or if don't get the money at least screw her financially and personally.

In fact in the lawyers in the lawsuit stated that is Ms. Deen doesn't pay up they will go public with the whole affair. To me that's blackmail. From what I heard on the news it wasn't Ms. Deen who used the N word with an employee, but her brother who worked at the restaurant. He doesn't have the same amount of money she has. Lawyers go after the deep pockets.

Quoting jamincan (Reply 11):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
Will the person who has never used this word please step forward now..... I thought so.
Quoting jamincan (Reply 11):
I never have. Is that really so unusual?

You don't live in the US. It's a US culture thing, you wouldn't understand.

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 13):
Hell, get Gordon Ramsay on there. At his rate, he can do a 30-minute dish in 10 minutes. But then again, they'll probably can him too the minute he says "F*** me!" when he makes a mistake.

And I am sure with all the swearing and foul names he calls people he has probably used the N word at one time or another too!

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 15):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
What did the people want, a diabetic cooking show?

That might be a first, especially for a person who advocates healthy eating but cooks rather unhealthy. Personally, I'd like to see a show that takes into consideration diabetics as their main audience (many adults would benefit).

While I don't have diabetes it seems to run in my family. This is a good idea as it affects so many Americans. Maybe someone should send this idea to the Food Network for consideration.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 16):
Cancelling her show is a bit of an overreaction for something said in private.

It was for more than that though. It was for taking the "that's what men do" attitude and not cracking down on displays of discrimination when it came under her control, and for embracing ideas such as dressing up black waiters in white tuxedos to recreate the Old South for an antebellum wedding. It speaks to an acceptance of a culture which should have died out long ago.

I could see some lawyer in New York asking if Paula was expecting everyone to call out "boy" to the waiters at the antebellum wedding. Paula Deen is simply a liability which one can't have in this day and age. This controversy has actually little to do with words spoken a few decades ago. The employee who brought the lawsuit is a white female of Sicilian heritage.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17499 posts, RR: 45
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

It is 20-bloody-13--how can any public figure think it's ok to use language like this, even in private? There will be swift and strong repercussions, regardless of how anyone feels about the language or consequences.


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User currently offlineGrisee08 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3947 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 19):
how can any public figure think it's ok to use language like this

I'm pretty sure she has been inhaling more grease fumes than the recommended dosage.
Either that, or she is brilliantly stupid. As I said above, I'd rather eat a meal prepared for me by a Michelin Star chef anyway.



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User currently offlineAviRaider From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

This whole thing is ridiculous. She is 60+ years old, having grown up in Georgia, for her to say no to using that word under oath would be a lie. Talk to any old timer from the South long enough you will hear it at some point. As bad as it is, it was part of the lexicon. This is an overreaction.

User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3098 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3895 times:

Quoting AviRaider (Reply 21):
She is 60+ years old, having grown up in Georgia

So just because she's a Southern elder it means she has the right to act as she pleases?

If it were a Joe Average, this wouldn't even be discussed. Accepting this as the norm shouldn't even be. The fact is she's more than a Southern elderly woman: she's also a face for the network.

Imagine if Miley Cyrus had been doing drugs and having sex while filming Hannah Montana. Should Disney keep her because she's a teen and that's what teens do at that age?



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25251 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3884 times:
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Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 9):
I think this is one of those topics that only an American can mostly understand, and moreso even those older than a certain age. Just my opinion. You may think I'm wrong but I don't mind,.

All my understanding of it is based on my years in America and writing about black people. I once had to negotiate with the CBS Standard and Practices about many many ties I could use the word (and "bitch"), and in what context, in an historical mini-series set in the slave south.

For her just to have used the word years ago doesn't seem like a case for a sacking - almost anyone of her age in the south has used the word - and it does seem that there is more to it.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 18):
It was for taking the "that's what men do" attitude and not cracking down on displays of discrimination when it came under her control, and for embracing ideas such as dressing up black waiters in white tuxedos to recreate the Old South for an antebellum wedding. It speaks to an acceptance of a culture which should have died out long ago.

That makes more sense to me.

mariner



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17499 posts, RR: 45
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3846 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
But I do agree that she grew up back when bigotry was more prevalent and words like that where more accepted. Things you grew up with can slip out as an adult even though you try and repress them because they aren't acceptable in current times.
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 22):
So just because she's a Southern elder it means she has the right to act as she pleases?

I would have never really expected the racial component here, but kitchens are famously coarse, to say the least, so the foul language, the porn, the dirty jokes, that seems all pretty common place in the life of a cook. Then again not all kitchens are beamed to your living room 24 hours/day.

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 20):
Either that, or she is brilliantly stupid.

I would think a lot of these celebrities would either know to tighten the reins and/or hire someone to help them do so as soon as they make it big, but that never happens, as we see with just about every other celebrity



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25 jamincan : I think this goes quite a bit beyond someone saying the n-word. As I've read more, the allegations toward Paula Deen and her brother our pretty shocki
26 type-rated : We need to go back and destroy all those Shirley Temple movies where those dancing waitstaff appear. They are a bad influence to everyone! See what ki
27 luckyone : I said she was uneducated. I didn't say she was stupid. There's a big difference. She was, though, apparently foolish enough to make said comments kn
28 AeroWesty : It's been my belief all along that her motivation has been to build something for her sons. Going all the way back to The Bag Lady to put food on the
29 DocLightning : How about obesogenic food? I get a little suspicious when the charge is six years old. It's like Monica Lewinsky. What's the agenda? I'm not saying i
30 AeroWesty : It's all coming out from the deposition and complaint in the lawsuit filed by a former employee who worked for the Deens from 2005 until 2010. Some o
31 Aeri28 : interesting, but it remains to be seen if her name will be tarnished and for how long. I mean, look at names in the past that are no longer around. "
32 Post contains images PHX787 : It's overboard, sure....but besides her apparent racism, I really don't think she had good ideas.... she BUTTER find a new job fast..... couldn't resi
33 AeroWesty : Her flagship restaurant will go on, Lady & Sons. Then I think her sons have enough contacts and experience that if they wanted to, they could pro
34 seb146 : Growing up in the West, I don't get it. Randi Rhodes explained it to me (and all her listeners on Friday) that they feel they are the victims. They a
35 mariner : Sure, and I'd guess a lot of people will see her as a victim in this and will support her. mariner
36 N1120A : I can't imagine Deen's hubris or her lawyers' foolishness/profit motives that it got this far. I have people lie to me about the things they say and d
37 mariner : I've been "non-renewed." It sure felt like a sacking to me There does need to be more to it - as it seems there is. Just the use of "the word" by an
38 N1120A : And those people are just as bad as her. Sure, but it is different. It was even more the context and the manner she used it in. Dress them up like sl
39 mariner : Of course. I'm saying they exist - and they are many of them, many like her and worse than her. I see it where I live, subtle racism, semi-disguised
40 ImperialEagle : Exactly. It really does appear as though the lawyers are up to no good. I wouldn't be surprised if Paula's lawyers end up counter-suing. As for Paula
41 luckyone : Any food can be obesogenic if you eat enough of it. While true if you eat enough of "typical" Southern food, it is very bad for you, that is not how
42 ltbewr : Actually the founder of what is now KFC was a de facto racist, he practiced segregation at his original restaurant in Corbin, KY and until his death,
43 MaverickM11 : I think that kind of language (or the s/f/k words etc) are such kryptonite to business, that it's best to sever ties as quickly and thoroughly as pos
44 cjg225 : Your saying this reminds me of an exchange in the movie Patton. American General George S. Patton was sacked during World War II for slapping an enli
45 Post contains links AeroWesty : Paula Deen Defended Southern Attitude Towards Race In Fall 2012 (VIDEO)
46 type-rated : Paula explained it perfectly. Never photograph a black person against a black backround. All you will see are the eyes and the mouth. White or cream c
47 mariner : I think the attention given to the "N" word is both a positive and a negative. It's a positive because it gives the media something to hang it's hat
48 L-188 : Now, Now they are a family friendly network....G rated. They won't even show they killing and butchering an animal. Which is sad, its how that animal
49 Pellegrine : I wanted to be supportive about her, because I don't believe we should all suffer for our past but, That's damn bad. I don't think she actually is eit
50 DeltaMD90 : Ah, the dreaded N word. Mrs Deen, being an older person, it's hard to see this as something other than racism. Interestingly, when I hear the word use
51 Post contains images N1120A : For what? Ripping her apart in a deposition? For doing their job and zealously representing their client? Its entirely possible the Enquirer, as I me
52 Aeri28 : I don't think it boils down to her 'just' using the word. It is how she is perceived through that usage, through the video posted, through her deposit
53 Pellegrine : I probably could have gotten more in mine, but I don't like secrecy. $140,000 richer, $40,000 of which the manager personally had to pay...I felt pre
54 ImperialEagle : And your point is? Is your point to attack me personally? Or is it my opinion that you want to attack? Be reminded that the first is against the by-l
55 Post contains links AeroWesty : And now Smithfield cancels Deen's endorsement deal: Smithfield Foods severs ties with Paula Deen
56 DocLightning : Try to get fat on a paleo diet. Just try. Obesogenic foods are foods that overwhelm the body's sense of satiety by loading it with refined sugar, sta
57 luckyone : As a doctor I'm sure you know as well as anybody to never say never in medicine, or science in general. If one consumes so many more Calories than on
58 Post contains links AeroWesty : While I've been following the Supreme Ct. goings on today I completely missed that Paula Deen appeared on Today this morning in a do-over from missing
59 UA772IAD : I disagree completely, and I do live in America. I have never dropped the N word. Calling it a "cultural" thing is frankly a cop out- "nigger" is not
60 type-rated : Then why does your flag say "Australia"? That's child abuse! Did you report this to the authorities?
61 Post contains images UA772IAD : Seriously? The flag that I chose to "fly" is not the be-all-end all identifier of my nationality/ethnic make-up or country of residence. No it's not.
62 type-rated : Well it sure does have an effect on people writing to you. It leads people the believe you are in Australia. When writing it helps to know what kind
63 seb146 : In the States it is. The South still sees the Civil War as the War of Northern Aggression, even though the South fired the first shots. Anyone in the
64 mariner : I watched it and found it quite disturbing. She knows that something bad - really, really bad - has happened to her, but she doesn't really understan
65 Aeri28 : Home Depot as well, as I have read.. I guess now is a good time to ask her opinions on DOMA and Prop 8...
66 AeroWesty : I was quite shocked with her ending, and feel that there's some compassion starting out there for her, otherwise her mocking ebonics would have been
67 luckyone : I agree she was right to be honest. And I applaud her honesty--it's actually refreshing--but at this point she just needs to clam up. Whether or not
68 UA772IAD : Which is why I said: That's jumping from 0-10. Of course, having an honest conversation would be the necessary first step. Times sure have changed th
69 Post contains links PHLBOS : Actually, several years ago, a white school teacher was indeed fired from his job for using that word. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uvJzr0zZvk
70 DeltaMD90 : Well of course it isn't PC, and a lot of people do get offended. But just among random young people, I've heard it many times and no one cares, black
71 Ken777 : When we lived in Australia or 8 years heard the word used twice. Once was a put down of Americans ("What do Americans cal a black man with a PhD) and
72 DeltaMD90 : Why should people re-stigmatize the word and try and get rid of it? I think the current trend of it become not-derogatory any more is a much better c
73 mariner : I agree - lay low, let it go away - but I don't think she can clam up. She doesn't know how to atone because she doesn't know what her sin is. In the
74 type-rated : She is being crucified because she said something that you hear black people say everyday. That's what I have a problem with. This should have been an
75 UA772IAD : Australia has had its fair share of racism too... toward its indigenous people and towards immigrants. Australia used to have a "white only" immigrat
76 Ken777 : But when the black community uses it in multi-racial schools or in the media it keeps it a frequently used part of speck - which is the last thing it
77 Post contains links mariner : Nothing will change minds of those who already believe it, but her tv and video appearances have done nothing to diminish the crisis, she will be dam
78 UA772IAD : Agreed. Agreed. I think though, that if she had been more forthcoming from the beginning, when she first got on TV, she wouldn't be in the situation
79 Post contains links mariner : She introduced one of her black staff - her security guard, whom she referred to as a son by another father - on a tv show in 2012. And there may be
80 DeltaMD90 : I'm very certain everyone knows the word was once used very hatefully and can even be used today. Now coming from a young, white person who never gre
81 seb146 : This country still (and always) needs to have open and honest dialog about race. The way Paula Deen said things, she sounded very nonchalant about it.
82 DeltaMD90 : I agree. Racism is not just a white problem (even though whites usually have the power to inflict the most damage with it.) Many minorities often sho
83 seb146 : Racism is racism. Period. Whether it is a White man calling a Black man the "N" word or a Latino man calling a White man the "C" word. We need to und
84 ImperialEagle : That's very true. It is a strange twist and a double-standard when it's o.k. for black people to say nigger in every other sentence whether joking or
85 Post contains links PHLBOS : This whole episode w/Paula Deen's comments reminds me a little bit of what happened w/Dr. Laura Schlessinger circa 2010. FWIW, the below excerpt is f
86 stratosphere : I am surprised Jesse Jackson and his poverty pimp sidekick the reverend Al Sharpton haven't made a move to cash in on this specticle. All I know is t
87 Post contains links Aeri28 : You guys,she's not being 'crucified' for using an N word once or twice. It's her whole 'aura' or "persona" that companies have chosen not to be associ
88 Post contains links AeroWesty : Astonishing news, the book deal has been cancelled, and the new book, despite hitting #1 on Amazon, won't be published by Random House. Three months
89 MaverickM11 : I forgot about that, but it highlights an interesting difference. Dr Schlessinger had a long history of being a vile, nasty c u next Tuesday, with qu
90 mariner : It's an extraordinary piling on and I go back to my original position - I think her punishment is ludicrously disproportionate to her crime. But then
91 Pellegrine : After all that "bring out Willie", "he's blacker than this board!", "we can't see you against this black board" video...she has some damned learning t
92 ImperialEagle : Well, it came as no surprise to me that the very reverend was on t.v. just this morning and is firmly aboard the lynch-mob gang out to destroy her. S
93 Post contains links MaverickM11 : Some of the allegations are pretty serious, which if true merit the punishment. Then again the whole 'innocent until proven guilty' flies out the win
94 Post contains links AeroWesty : There's a lot to this story that just doesn't sound right, and I'm sure there's more that'll come out in future weeks. The latest was that the plaint
95 Post contains links mariner : As Arthur Miller asked a long time ago - is the accuser always holy now? There's some interesting stuff in this article comparing the treatment of Pa
96 Post contains images MaverickM11 : In this case I think it's clear that the media has decided that the accuser is I just can't imagine most of these transgressions occurring without so
97 Post contains links and images mariner : Much of the media, surely. Ah. Then In Andrew Sullivan's book, I guess you would be either a supremely generous and forgiving human being, a naive su
98 Pellegrine : We always knew the plaintiff was "white". And guess what, you can be "black" and Hispanic. This is a bit of a silly article and a bit off topic to me
99 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Or E) someone who can't be bothered by what a Baldwin says in an oddly frequent fit of rage In both cases people are fixating on one word, but in Dee
100 Pellegrine : I fixate and read between the lines a lot. But I am in congruence with you in some sense. I don't really see Deen or Baldwin as racist/homophobic; I
101 Post contains images AeroWesty : Without validating what Alec said, his handlers and p/r people were right on this. I doubt that GLAAD put out their statement without encouragement c
102 Pellegrine : Yes darling, I do. Since when did race and ethnic categorization become correlated with Paula Deen's lawsuit? LOL Hispanic isn't a race it's an ethni
103 AeroWesty : Did you feel unfairly taken advantage of? I'm sorry, snookums.
104 Post contains images Pellegrine : Oh my goodness! AeroWesty! You make me .
105 Post contains images AeroWesty : It's all part of the down home hospitality package.
106 Post contains links mariner : It surprises me that it gets the attention that it does, but the same may be said of Paula Deen, in spades. Her views - however anyone defines them -
107 Aeri28 : Why would she have been? That in itself alone would only give the impression of maybe being a little tacky, insensitive or even on the flip side, end
108 mariner : If the views she presented in that interview are so offensively racist, why would she not have been? As the complainant said: So up until 2010 even t
109 N1120A : Understand the standard in Iqbal and Twombley and the tradition idea of federal court pleading to know why. Remember, Deen owns the place her brother
110 mariner : Yes, I do know that she co-owns it. And - yet again - I am not defending Deen. mariner[Edited 2013-07-01 18:56:25]
111 Post contains links AeroWesty : A p/r professional weighs in on how Paula could pick up the pieces: After fall from grace, can Paula Deen recover? Paula already has her new book she
112 type-rated : I once had a task at work of photographing people for ID cards for a special project I was working on. We used a black backround. I had to go back an
113 n229nw : Are you joking? Neither I nor anyone I have ever met in my whole life in the US (about 40 years) has ever used this word, except when repeating it in
114 type-rated : If you reread my post, I NEVER said "everyone". YOU added that yourself. I find this statement extremely hard to believe. Have you been living under
115 Pellegrine : And there's nothing wrong with that. If you had some off-white or light cream background and you had really pale "white" people (think Nicole Kidman)
116 Post contains links AeroWesty : Deen's legal team files motion to dismiss based upon the Supreme Court's ruling in the California Prop. 8 same-sex marriage case: Paula Deen Cites Pro
117 Post contains images DocLightning : Well, I bought a Paula Deen ceramic-coated nonstick pan set yesterday at Target. For some reason, they're on Clearance. I figure, she already got paid
118 mariner : Maybe I'm just more cynical about the media, and the relentless search for the grabby headline? It is quite difficult to make a grab out of "Paula De
119 DocLightning : Interesting to use THAT case. Many other cases have been dismissed on lack of standing because the plaintiff has suffered no damage.
120 Post contains links AeroWesty : You've gotta read this story to believe it. Man allegedly tries to blackmail Paula Deen for a quarter of a million, but bargains down to $200K, then d
121 Pellegrine : I like your opinion, only she was ruined even before the larger media had a headline like that.
122 Post contains links mariner : From the OP: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/21/sh...n-racial-slur/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 "Celebrity chef Paula Deen's contract with the Food Network wi
123 Pellegrine : What came out in her deposition was reported before Food Network dropped her.
124 mariner : Sure, it did. But the "black on black" thing was a public interview with the New York Times in 2012 and nothing much happened, not even much dismay a
125 Pellegrine : Of course it was. Does that surprise you? Hindsight is 20/20 in every case. And like I said, another straw breaks the camel's back. I don't attribute
126 Post contains images mariner : It has nothing to do with a media conspiracy. mariner
127 Post contains images Pellegrine : Yes...i'm very...
128 mariner : I thought I had already explained it - there is no conspiracy. The media - newspapers and tv - are in the business of making money. So it is only int
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