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Food Network Dropping Paula Deen Over Racial Slurs  
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

Official: Food Network will not renew Paula Deen's contract

Quote:
New York (CNN) -- Celebrity chef Paula Deen's contract with the Food Network will not be renewed, the network said Friday, the latest fallout over revelations this week that she admitted to using a racial epithet in the past.

Deen's contract with the network, which airs three shows featuring the chef, expires at the end of the month, it said.

The Food Network's announcement followed reports that Deen acknowledged in a lawsuit deposition to using the "N word." Earlier in the week, the network said it would monitor the situation, but that it "does not tolerate any form of discrimination."

It isn't the first time Deen has been in the thick of controversy, but she was forgiven the last time over her diabetes hypocrisy. I guess they'll be doubling up on 'The Next Food Network Star' episodes!


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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

I cannot wait to see what Anthony Bourdain has to say about this. They seem to have an ongoing fued

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/anthony...een/story?id=15386289#.UcVJTLXU_Qg



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4952 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4223 times:

The incident that is in question happened years ago. All this really amounts to is some lawyers looking for deep pockets.

What did the people want, a diabetic cooking show?

Will the person who has never used this word please step forward now..... I thought so.

The thought and PC police are working overtime on this one.

How about Kanye West for president?



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19415 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4201 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
The thought and PC police are working overtime on this one.

I agree. She may have shown some poor judgement but the reaction is way overboard.


User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

I agree it's overboard, but Food Network probably really had no alternative. It's a business and profits are what they are after. At one point, you have somebody who has said a word that is a no no and that as almost everyone has mentioned many have used the word at one point in thier lives in some way. She's apologized. It was used awhile ago. An admission of having used the word got her fired. (but the proposal of dressing up the waiters as civil war era slaves didn't help matters too ya know..).

On the other hand, you got sponsors to answer to. You have people who are offended at this who are users of sponsors. You have people who are offended who watch the Food Network.

It's one thng for Food Network to potentially say "Ms Deens opinions and statements do not reflect the views of Food Network etc.etc" "but we stand by her apology and wish to put this behind us. ", but the truth of the matter is, they can't do that without alienating sponsors and much of their viewing public. It is just the way it goes. I know Kanye can use it, and Little Dog rapper (is that a name?) can use it, but Paula Deen can't and since she's a public figure, on Food Network, with programs, and cookbooks with publishers and PR, and products, and whateve she may have with Sears or JC Penney or Macys, any company will have to potentially follow suit and shut her down.

I know, it was said long ago, but sometimes it's going to come back and get you. I haven't read enough about this to wonder had there been something she could have done long ago to nip it in the bud early on. I think the surprise element may have done it and whatever botched cover up or explanation she tried to do.

I'm not black, but what I' ve come to realize in my years of living, is that if someone tells you they are offended about somthing and it is something that isn't part of you, like being gay and being called a F@!*ot, at least have the courtesy to believe them that they are offended even if you aren't.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25009 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4153 times:
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Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 4):
I know Kanye can use it, and Little Dog rapper (is that a name?) can use it, but Paula Deen can't and since she's a public figure, on Food Network, with programs, and cookbooks with publishers and PR, and products, and whateve she may have with Sears or JC Penney or Macys, any company will have to potentially follow suit and shut her down.

I am shocked that they would sack her over this. Surely, there has to be more to it?

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 4):
I'm not black, but what I' ve come to realize in my years of living, is that if someone tells you they are offended about somthing and it is something that isn't part of you, like being gay and being called a F@!*ot, at least have the courtesy to believe them that they are offended even if you aren't.

I can only be offended if I chose to be offended. Someone calls me a faggot I just shrug.

mariner



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4113 times:

News articles on Ms. Deen note that the knowledge of her use of the N-word and some racists attitudes came out from a deposition in a racial discrimination lawsuit brought by a Black former employee at one of the restaurants she has ownership in. One has to wonder if the Plaintiff and their attorney was not getting very far in their lawsuit so leaked out excerpts of Ms. Deen's deposition to force a large $$$ out of court settlement or if don't get the money at least screw her financially and personally.

User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4093 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
The thought and PC police are working overtime on this one.

I agree. She may have shown some poor judgement but the reaction is way overboard.

She is an elderly (relatively) woman from Southwest Georgia, and though a hard worker not a very well-educated one. Nobody should be surprised that she would drop words like "nigger" and make jokes about other people. However, given that she has benefited from her image, as a public figure she also bears increased responsibility and will ultimately pay a higher price for what is ultimately a bad joke. She is a public example that such behavior is no longer acceptable. That said, I think a good bit of this is leftover fallout from her decision to hide her diabetes until she could profit from it. That rankled a lot of people who previously admired her and liked her for her sanitized story.

On a personal note, as a Southerner she represents some things about the South that I wish would go away and do not appreciate as having part of my heritage, such use of the word nigger, slurs and epithets and bizarrely pornography in the work place.

[Edited 2013-06-22 06:10:23]

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

To be honest I've never liked her show and her cooking style. My girlfriend and I are huge foodies and we watch Food Network and the cooking Channel all the time and switch channels when she comes on.


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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4061 times:

I was watching a debate this morning on this and someone made a good point in that the N word (see I won't even type out the word) really nowadays has a different meaning to younger folk, and does not necessariy carry the same impact with younger blacks and whites as it would with older. That may be considering how rap and prose has perhaps taken back the word to some extent.

Quoting mariner (Reply 5):
I am shocked that they would sack her over this. Surely, there has to be more to it?

I think this is one of those topics that only an American can mostly understand, and moreso even those older than a certain age. Just my opinion. You may think I'm wrong but I don't mind,.

Quoting mariner (Reply 5):
I can only be offended if I chose to be offended. Someone calls me a faggot I just shrug.

Maybe not the best analogy I used. Again, my point above..


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):The thought and PC police are working overtime on this one.
I agree. She may have shown some poor judgement but the reaction is way overboard.

Agreed it is also overboard.

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 4):
but Food Network probably really had no alternative. It's a business and profits are what they are after.

I sort of agree with this, it is publicity they don't need. But I somewhat doubt that this is the last we will see Paula on that network. Remember a few years ago they canned Robert Irwin allegedly for imbelishing his resume, He was off the network for about a year before they brought him back.

It wouldn't surprise me to see them bring Paula back in a year or two after things calm down.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 6):
One has to wonder if the Plaintiff and their attorney was not getting very far in their lawsuit so leaked out excerpts of Ms. Deen's deposition to force a large $$$ out of court settlement or if don't get the money at least screw her financially and personally.

One does have to wonder about that.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 8):
To be honest I've never liked her show and her cooking style

Back when I had cable I tended to agree with her.....But at least she wasn't Rachel Ray.

Quoting luckyone (Reply 7):
She is an elderly (relatively) woman from Southwest Georgia, and though a hard worker not a very well-educated one. Nobody should be surprised that she would drop words like "nigger" and make jokes about other people.

I wouldn't exactly call her uneducated, she built a couple of very successful buisnesses. But I do agree that she grew up back when bigotry was more prevalent and words like that where more accepted. Things you grew up with can slip out as an adult even though you try and repress them because they aren't acceptable in current times.



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User currently offlinejamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4031 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
Will the person who has never used this word please step forward now..... I thought so.

I never have. Is that really so unusual?


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6530 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

Quoting luckyone (Reply 7):
On a personal note, as a Southerner she represents some things about the South that I wish would go away and do not appreciate as having part of my heritage, such use of the word nigger, slurs and epithets and bizarrely pornography in the work place.

It's easy to dismiss the incident as "PC police" as if TV overblows things but in real life it's no better, imagine her granddaughter presenting her new black boyfriend to her ! I'd rather not talk about this with my Italian grandmother as I wouldn't like what she would say, and she was born in Tunisia (when it was a colony).

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 9):
I think this is one of those topics that only an American can mostly understand, and moreso even those older than a certain age. Just my opinion. You may think I'm wrong but I don't mind,.

Yeah, it's always strange hearing about the civil rights movement from here, where the 60's mostly evoke the May 68 events and sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll.



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User currently offlineGrisee08 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3987 times:

Hell, get Gordon Ramsay on there. At his rate, he can do a 30-minute dish in 10 minutes. But then again, they'll probably can him too the minute he says "F*** me!" when he makes a mistake.


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

I've just read parts of Paula Deen's deposition, which is available here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/148813272/...ony-of-Paula-Deen-Date-May-17-2013

Gotta say, if I was in the same position as the Food Network, I wouldn't be able to stand behind her any longer. She's been very much aware of discriminatory language and behavior around her over the years, but has taken a "that's just what men do" attitude towards it all. There were also a couple of other things that were questionable which came out. That's a huge liability the lawyers would insist upon being discharged before others took advantage of it, or even anything more damaging being revealed, no matter how valuable of a property Paula has been for the network.

I remember when she started out as just a shy thing on "Doorknock Dinners", where they'd take a local chef around a neighborhood and offer to cook a family their dinner on just what's in the fridge and pantry. She had a great personality behind the nervousness, so I can see why they developed her as much as possible.



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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3001 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

It's funny how some think ending her contract is an overreaction, but if Joe Average ever did that, they'd be calling for his/her head. I'm not saying that what she did was right, but Food Network also has an image to maintain and if they think that having Deen will associate them with her behavior, then it's for the best.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
What did the people want, a diabetic cooking show?

That might be a first, especially for a person who advocates healthy eating but cooks rather unhealthy. Personally, I'd like to see a show that takes into consideration diabetics as their main audience (many adults would benefit).



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11533 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
What did the people want, a diabetic cooking show?

I think that would be a great idea considering how many diabetics are in this country.

About Paula Deen: I never liked her because of her cooking style. Butter and cream and sugar in everything. Way too much! At least Ina uses fruits and vegetables.

It does not surprise me that a woman born and raised in the South used this word and was so flippant about it. But, she did use it in private. We always kinda knew she was this way but never said anything. So, I don't get the uproar now that it is confirmed. She said a word people don't like when she was at home or in her restaurant. How did I deal with it? I didn't buy her books or watch her shows. Cancelling her show is a bit of an overreaction for something said in private. The audience would have done that for her!



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4952 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3924 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 6):
One has to wonder if the Plaintiff and their attorney was not getting very far in their lawsuit so leaked out excerpts of Ms. Deen's deposition to force a large $$$ out of court settlement or if don't get the money at least screw her financially and personally.

In fact in the lawyers in the lawsuit stated that is Ms. Deen doesn't pay up they will go public with the whole affair. To me that's blackmail. From what I heard on the news it wasn't Ms. Deen who used the N word with an employee, but her brother who worked at the restaurant. He doesn't have the same amount of money she has. Lawyers go after the deep pockets.

Quoting jamincan (Reply 11):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
Will the person who has never used this word please step forward now..... I thought so.
Quoting jamincan (Reply 11):
I never have. Is that really so unusual?

You don't live in the US. It's a US culture thing, you wouldn't understand.

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 13):
Hell, get Gordon Ramsay on there. At his rate, he can do a 30-minute dish in 10 minutes. But then again, they'll probably can him too the minute he says "F*** me!" when he makes a mistake.

And I am sure with all the swearing and foul names he calls people he has probably used the N word at one time or another too!

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 15):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
What did the people want, a diabetic cooking show?

That might be a first, especially for a person who advocates healthy eating but cooks rather unhealthy. Personally, I'd like to see a show that takes into consideration diabetics as their main audience (many adults would benefit).

While I don't have diabetes it seems to run in my family. This is a good idea as it affects so many Americans. Maybe someone should send this idea to the Food Network for consideration.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3924 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 16):
Cancelling her show is a bit of an overreaction for something said in private.

It was for more than that though. It was for taking the "that's what men do" attitude and not cracking down on displays of discrimination when it came under her control, and for embracing ideas such as dressing up black waiters in white tuxedos to recreate the Old South for an antebellum wedding. It speaks to an acceptance of a culture which should have died out long ago.

I could see some lawyer in New York asking if Paula was expecting everyone to call out "boy" to the waiters at the antebellum wedding. Paula Deen is simply a liability which one can't have in this day and age. This controversy has actually little to do with words spoken a few decades ago. The employee who brought the lawsuit is a white female of Sicilian heritage.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17355 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

It is 20-bloody-13--how can any public figure think it's ok to use language like this, even in private? There will be swift and strong repercussions, regardless of how anyone feels about the language or consequences.


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User currently offlineGrisee08 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 19):
how can any public figure think it's ok to use language like this

I'm pretty sure she has been inhaling more grease fumes than the recommended dosage.
Either that, or she is brilliantly stupid. As I said above, I'd rather eat a meal prepared for me by a Michelin Star chef anyway.



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User currently offlineAviRaider From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3867 times:

This whole thing is ridiculous. She is 60+ years old, having grown up in Georgia, for her to say no to using that word under oath would be a lie. Talk to any old timer from the South long enough you will hear it at some point. As bad as it is, it was part of the lexicon. This is an overreaction.

User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3001 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

Quoting AviRaider (Reply 21):
She is 60+ years old, having grown up in Georgia

So just because she's a Southern elder it means she has the right to act as she pleases?

If it were a Joe Average, this wouldn't even be discussed. Accepting this as the norm shouldn't even be. The fact is she's more than a Southern elderly woman: she's also a face for the network.

Imagine if Miley Cyrus had been doing drugs and having sex while filming Hannah Montana. Should Disney keep her because she's a teen and that's what teens do at that age?



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25009 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3830 times:
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Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 9):
I think this is one of those topics that only an American can mostly understand, and moreso even those older than a certain age. Just my opinion. You may think I'm wrong but I don't mind,.

All my understanding of it is based on my years in America and writing about black people. I once had to negotiate with the CBS Standard and Practices about many many ties I could use the word (and "bitch"), and in what context, in an historical mini-series set in the slave south.

For her just to have used the word years ago doesn't seem like a case for a sacking - almost anyone of her age in the south has used the word - and it does seem that there is more to it.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 18):
It was for taking the "that's what men do" attitude and not cracking down on displays of discrimination when it came under her control, and for embracing ideas such as dressing up black waiters in white tuxedos to recreate the Old South for an antebellum wedding. It speaks to an acceptance of a culture which should have died out long ago.

That makes more sense to me.

mariner



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17355 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3792 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
But I do agree that she grew up back when bigotry was more prevalent and words like that where more accepted. Things you grew up with can slip out as an adult even though you try and repress them because they aren't acceptable in current times.
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 22):
So just because she's a Southern elder it means she has the right to act as she pleases?

I would have never really expected the racial component here, but kitchens are famously coarse, to say the least, so the foul language, the porn, the dirty jokes, that seems all pretty common place in the life of a cook. Then again not all kitchens are beamed to your living room 24 hours/day.

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 20):
Either that, or she is brilliantly stupid.

I would think a lot of these celebrities would either know to tighten the reins and/or hire someone to help them do so as soon as they make it big, but that never happens, as we see with just about every other celebrity



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User currently offlinejamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3815 times:

I think this goes quite a bit beyond someone saying the n-word. As I've read more, the allegations toward Paula Deen and her brother our pretty shocking, particularly against her brother. This is one complaint directed at Paula Deen specifically:

Quote:
Paula Deen placed Ms. Jackson in charge of food and serving arrangements for the wedding of her brother Bubba Hiers in February 2007. When Ms. Jackson asked Ms. Deen what look the wedding should have, Ms. Deen replied, "I want a true southern plantation-style wedding." Asked by Ms. Jackson what type of uniforms she preferred servers to wear, Paula Deen stated, "Well what I would really like is a bunch of little niggers to wear long-sleeve white shirts, black shorts and black bow ties, you know in the Shirley Temple days, they used to tap dance around." Paula Deen laughed and said "Now that would be a true southern wedding, wouldn't it? But we can't do that because the media would be on me about that."

Apparently African-American staff were required to use separate bathrooms too. And when complaints were brought to Paula Deen about her brother, she ignored them. I'm not surprised that FN doesn't want to be associated with her.


User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4952 posts, RR: 19
Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3790 times:

We need to go back and destroy all those Shirley Temple movies where those dancing waitstaff appear. They are a bad influence to everyone! See what kind of trouble they cause, even today!


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User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
I wouldn't exactly call her uneducated, she built a couple of very successful buisnesses.

I said she was uneducated. I didn't say she was stupid. There's a big difference. She was, though, apparently foolish enough to make said comments knowing full well what could happen if comments such as those were to be made public and latched onto by a PC media. I'm sure she genuinely feels quite bad about the situation, if not for any other reason that in a matter of days something she's worked very hard for close to thirty years to accomplish has come crumbling down around her. All for a comment that if she'd thought about for about fifteen seconds she would have kept to herself. On the other hand, this is the dangerous game you play when you expose yourself to fame and the media. The media spent a long time building her up, and once she was at the time, the collective media had nothing else to do with her but bring her down. She had already made a lot of people mad with her diabetes medication endorsement, and was an easy target. Her image obviously took a beating as a result. In the long run, I don't think it will do much harm to her ability to retire comfortably. Obviously I'm not aware of her financial dealings, but she has her hands on assets in a lot of places. If she's invested well she can retire tomorrow and coast on the dividends of her restaurant and Food Network contracts. It's also entirely possible a new contract with a different network will be negotiated.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 16):
She said a word people don't like when she was at home or in her restaurant.

Such language/phrasing can fall under what was called "hostile work environment" at my former place of employment. I'm sure few people are shocked she held such opinions in spite of her constant cheerfulness and friendliness. It's television for crying out loud. Who could ever be themselves with a camera in their face?? I will say this, in her defense, however: I've watched her shows over the years and she has, indeed, had people from all walks of life on her show. From morbidly obese black women who have clearly schooled her on the air, and she let them, to obviously gay men, to Jewish and Mexican women. She also assisted a black couple in getting their own show on Food Network. Granted she was making money off with them on the air, and was apparently joking about them off the air with comments that reflect an attitude I wish would die, but it does give some credence to her claim about race, ethnicity, and sexual orientation not mattering to her and her family.

[Edited 2013-06-22 18:40:45]

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 28, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3764 times:

Quoting luckyone (Reply 27):
In the long run, I don't think it will do much harm to her ability to retire comfortably.

It's been my belief all along that her motivation has been to build something for her sons. Going all the way back to The Bag Lady to put food on the table when she got divorced, to her references to "Deen money financed that" in her deposition. Handled correctly, Paula can step aside, as difficult removing herself from the limelight would be, and let her sons salvage what they can from what she's built for them with them.

That's what I would do anyway. Any further involvement past something local, like in her restaurants, would only damage the empire her sons could create off the remnants.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19415 posts, RR: 58
Reply 29, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3757 times:

Quoting luckyone (Reply 7):
On a personal note, as a Southerner she represents some things about the South that I wish would go away and do not appreciate as having part of my heritage, such use of the word nigger, slurs and epithets and bizarrely pornography in the work place.

How about obesogenic food?

Quoting jamincan (Reply 25):
This is one complaint directed at Paula Deen specifically:

I get a little suspicious when the charge is six years old. It's like Monica Lewinsky. What's the agenda? I'm not saying it didn't happen, I just wonder why now.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 30, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3732 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
What's the agenda? I'm not saying it didn't happen, I just wonder why now.

It's all coming out from the deposition and complaint in the lawsuit filed by a former employee who worked for the Deens from 2005 until 2010. Some of the claims made about the behind the scenes behavior reads like a great script. Like Paula telling her brother, who was screwing one of the employees on the side, "if you think I have worked this hard to lose everything because of a piece of pussy, you better think again."



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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3702 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 28):
It's been my belief all along that her motivation has been to build something for her sons. Going all the way back to The Bag Lady to put food on the table when she got divorced, to her references to "Deen money financed that" in her deposition. Handled correctly, Paula can step aside, as difficult removing herself from the limelight would be, and let her sons salvage what they can from what she's built for them with them.

interesting, but it remains to be seen if her name will be tarnished and for how long. I mean, look at names in the past that are no longer around. "Sambo's Restaurants" or even Disney's "Song of the South" and those werent tarnished by any particular event, just from evoking a stereotype of an old era.

Although with the sons being from a different generation, it still makes me wonder what theier views are and others may wonder as well. I know parental views don't always translate to the children, but somehow I'm not sure her name or the Paula Deen brand will fare well. What if Colonel Sanders had been pegged as a racist? But the only bad thing I can remember about KFC is them trying to get away from the "fried" moniker. My guess for the Deen brand, sponsorships will drop, bookings will dry down, she wont have high visability high profile events. It really all boils down to that others may not want to have that association with her or her name. Paula Deen is the brand. Not her sons.

Do I think she's a racist? No,. I don't really. I mean I think she is a product of her growing up, her environment, the times, but I do think it is highly possible there is a racially tiinted side of her. And again it's a product of her environment and age.

I was reading about one celeb food chef who was tarnished and sailed off into the sunset. Anybody remember the Frugal Gourmet?

Quote:
Jeff “Frugal Gourmet” Smith: In probably the greatest fall from grace the food world has seen, Smith, who had built a television and cookbook empire on his reputation as a kindly food-loving minister, in 1997 was sued by a half-dozen young men who accused him of having sexually abused them when they were in their teens. In the blowup that followed, Smith was portrayed as a despotic crank on set and unreliable in his information and recipe writing. He settled the suits out of court and disappeared from the public stage. Smith died in his sleep in 2004.


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Reply 32, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

It's overboard, sure....but besides her apparent racism, I really don't think she had good ideas....



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 33, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3696 times:

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 31):
My guess for the Deen brand, sponsorships will drop, bookings will dry down, she wont have high visability high profile events.

Her flagship restaurant will go on, Lady & Sons. Then I think her sons have enough contacts and experience that if they wanted to, they could produce shows. The sons aren't on the outs with the network.



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Reply 34, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3670 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 18):
It speaks to an acceptance of a culture which should have died out long ago.

Growing up in the West, I don't get it. Randi Rhodes explained it to me (and all her listeners on Friday) that they feel they are the victims. They are the ones who's rights have been violated by not being able to own other humans. Their rights have been violated by not being able to subjugate other humans. They were on the wrong side of history and still are. Humans are humans.



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Reply 35, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3660 times:
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Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 33):
Her flagship restaurant will go on, Lady & Sons.

Sure, and I'd guess a lot of people will see her as a victim in this and will support her.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 36, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

I can't imagine Deen's hubris or her lawyers' foolishness/profit motives that it got this far. I have people lie to me about the things they say and do to their employees in depositions all the time. Its never this easy. If Deen was going to be honest about violating the law, she should have saved herself a lot of time and likely her job by resolving the case and having a rock solid confidentiality clause in the settlement agreement.

Quoting alberchico (Reply 1):

I cannot wait to see what Anthony Bourdain has to say about this. They seem to have an ongoing fued

I've been waiting to see what Tony says as well. He's been conspicuously coy about this matter

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
All this really amounts to is some lawyers looking for deep pockets.

Um - no.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
Will the person who has never used this word please step forward now..... I thought so.

Uh, what do you mean by "used?" If you mean "used" like Paula Deen used it, I'd say there are plenty.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):

The incident that is in question happened years ago.

In the context of a lawsuit, it didn't happen all that long ago.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
The thought and PC police are working overtime on this one.

Yeah - I guess anti-discrimination/harassment laws are just the "thought and PC police."

Quoting mariner (Reply 5):
I am shocked that they would sack her over this. Surely, there has to be more to it?

Its a non-renewal, not a sacking. And there really doesn't need to be more - this is about as bad as it gets. If Food Network kept her around and she harassed people on her shows in this manner, they would be on the hook as well.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 6):
One has to wonder if the Plaintiff and their attorney was not getting very far in their lawsuit so leaked out excerpts of Ms. Deen's deposition to force a large $$$ out of court settlement or if don't get the money at least screw her financially and personally.

I doubt it. It sounds like there is significant corroboration here. The shocking thing is that Deen testified so poorly, giving a veritable gold mine of admissions.

Also, nothing here is a "leak." Depositions are public record and its entirely possible that the Enquirer ordered transcripts from the court reporter.

Quoting luckyone (Reply 7):
She is an elderly (relatively) woman from Southwest Georgia

I don't really consider 60 "elderly"

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
Remember a few years ago they canned Robert Irwin allegedly for imbelishing his resume

Robert Irvine was indeed fired for embellishing his resume, but was not even close to the PR and legitimate employment risk Deen is here.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 17):
In fact in the lawyers in the lawsuit stated that is Ms. Deen doesn't pay up they will go public with the whole affair.

And how do you know this? First, a lawsuit is public record anyway. All one has to do - and basically all news and tabloid organizations do this - is search PACER, as this is a federal suit, for Paula Deen's name.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 17):
Lawyers go after the deep pockets.

Uh, more like lawyers don't waste their time and the time of their clients on uncollectable lawsuits.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 17):
From what I heard on the news it wasn't Ms. Deen who used the N word with an employee, but her brother who worked at the restaurant. He doesn't have the same amount of money she has.

What you heard on the news was incorrect. Further, Deen is the owner of the restaurant and ultimately responsible for the acts of people she puts in supervisory positions, and the acts of anyone who's behavior she ratifies.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 19):
It is 20-bloody-13--how can any public figure think it's ok to use language like this, even in private? There will be swift and strong repercussions, regardless of how anyone feels about the language or consequences.

Yeah, she really seems an idiot.

Quoting AviRaider (Reply 21):
She is 60+ years old, having grown up in Georgia, for her to say no to using that word under oath would be a lie.

The manner in which she used it is the issue.

Also, her sexually harassing behavior is absolutely shocking and also highly illegal.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
I get a little suspicious when the charge is six years old. It's like Monica Lewinsky. What's the agenda? I'm not saying it didn't happen, I just wonder why now.

Do you know how long it takes to bring a lawsuit? The investigation involved? The fact that, in a state like Georgia, where there are no anti-discrimination in employment laws and you must go federal and through an EEOC investigation and conciliation process first, means this was likely a year or more in the making before a lawsuit could even be filed.

Quoting mariner (Reply 35):
Sure, and I'd guess a lot of people will see her as a victim in this and will support her.

Only misogynistic bigots would see Deen as a "victim" here.



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Reply 37, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3644 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
Its a non-renewal, not a sacking.

I've been "non-renewed." It sure felt like a sacking to me

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
And there really doesn't need to be more - this is about as bad as it gets.

There does need to be more to it - as it seems there is.

Just the use of "the word" by an older Southern woman may be reprehensible but it is scarcely a hanging offence and a strong apology would probably have averted this.

But it seems there is a great deal more to it.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
Only misogynistic bigots would see Deen as a "victim" here.


I think there are a lot of people around who will see her as a victim, especially within her social circles.

mariner



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 38, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 37):
I think there are a lot of people around who will see her as a victim, especially within her social circles.

And those people are just as bad as her.

Quoting mariner (Reply 37):
I've been "non-renewed." It sure felt like a sacking to me

Sure, but it is different.

Quoting mariner (Reply 37):
Just the use of "the word" by an older Southern woman may be reprehensible but it is scarcely a hanging offence and a strong apology would probably have averted this.
Quoting mariner (Reply 37):
But it seems there is a great deal more to it.

It was even more the context and the manner she used it in. Dress them up like slaves and/or porters from the 50s? Approve of porn at work and refer to employees as a "piece of pu$$y?" Oi.



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Reply 39, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3618 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 38):
And those people are just as bad as her.

Of course. I'm saying they exist - and they are many of them, many like her and worse than her.

I see it where I live, subtle racism, semi-disguised racism - whispered racism - and I call them out on it.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 38):
It was even more the context and the manner she used it in. Dress them up like slaves and/or porters from the 50s? Approve of porn at work and refer to employees as a "piece of pu$$y?" Oi.

So we agree after all - that there is more to it than just the use of the word.

mariner



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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2529 posts, RR: 23
Reply 40, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week ago) and read 3597 times:
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Quoting AviRaider (Reply 21):
This whole thing is ridiculous. She is 60+ years old, having grown up in Georgia, for her to say no to using that word under oath would be a lie. Talk to any old timer from the South long enough you will hear it at some point. As bad as it is, it was part of the lexicon. This is an overreaction.

Exactly.

It really does appear as though the lawyers are up to no good. I wouldn't be surprised if Paula's lawyers end up counter-suing.
As for Paula, at least she had the chutzpah to tell the truth.

Nobody growing up in the deep south in her generation can say they never said "nigger", although, it was rarely used in the better households. In Atlanta when I was growing up it was mostly used by poor whites. My parents would not allow the word in their house, however, they referred to blacks as "colored people" or "negroes" or worse------such as "boy" or "girl". We had a yard-man about 60 years old that was a "boy"! And my mother had "girls" come in to do the laundry and iron on Mondays and Tuesdays. I used to ask why they called them that since they were all older than my parents at the time and was always told "never you mind" go play!

That's just the way it was back then. My father always had the attitude that if they (black people) fought to defend the country and paid taxes they deserved to be treated like any other American and that was the attitude in our house. If black people came to eat dinner at my parents house we had to draw the draperies closed so no one could see in!
Also, my friends used to love staying over at my parents house because they would allow us to watch and dance to "colored music" such as the latest Motown stars and James Brown, etc. Some of my friends actually had to smuggle their Supremes records over to my place because their parents threatened severe punishments for having them! That was Atlanta, back in the day. It also helped that my parents were New Yorkers. When they were dating in the 1940's they partied at some of the best clubs in Harlem. So they understood.

As for today. I still have many black friends, especially at the fire department, where they refer to me as their "niggah". I was recently walking through the Northpointe Mall near Atlanta and someone shouted "mah niggah!" and I looked over to see a couple of my friends from the fire department walking towards me. So, nowadays the N-word has become a term of endearment. I have been to parties with a very mixed crowd, and everybody black or white uses the term openly, like nothing, so I just don't understand why they want to crucify Paula-----unless it benefits the lawyers.



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User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week ago) and read 3581 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
How about obesogenic food?

Any food can be obesogenic if you eat enough of it. While true if you eat enough of "typical" Southern food, it is very bad for you, that is not how people eat every day. A lot of cultures have traditional food that is quite unhealthy, but nobody puts that food in your mouth but you.

[Edited 2013-06-23 06:01:18]

User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 42, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3549 times:

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 31):
What if Colonel Sanders had been pegged as a racist? But the only bad thing I can remember about KFC is them trying to get away from the "fried" moniker

Actually the founder of what is now KFC was a de facto racist, he practiced segregation at his original restaurant in Corbin, KY and until his death, the later owners of KFC had to keep a tight PR leash on him to prevent him from destroying business from black and other customers by him making racist comments, not uncommon for someone born and living most of their lives in the 'Jim Crow' race laws and attitudes.

I wonder too if Food Networks, dropping of Deen is also about that they cannot have contracts with anyone who practices discrimination in their contracted or other businesses. They may also have 'behavior' or 'morals' clause, that if any behavior by them that brings 'disrepute' to the channel can be cause to terminate contracts.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17355 posts, RR: 46
Reply 43, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3518 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 42):
I wonder too if Food Networks, dropping of Deen is also about that they cannot have contracts with anyone who practices discrimination in their contracted or other businesses

I think that kind of language (or the s/f/k words etc) are such kryptonite to business, that it's best to sever ties as quickly and thoroughly as possible from the offender.



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User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3477 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 5):
I am shocked that they would sack her over this. Surely, there has to be more to it?

Your saying this reminds me of an exchange in the movie Patton.

American General George S. Patton was sacked during World War II for slapping an enlisted soldier. In the movie, there is a dramatization of an exchange between some German officers and when one tells the other that Patton was sacked for such a move, the other responds with contempt saying, "You really believe their media? A general being fired for slapping an enlisted solider... hah!"

Your comment reminded me of that because I wonder if the way Americans handle incidents like this is very unlike how other people view and handle such situations. I admit I am not the most worldly person so I don't really know how something like this would be treated elsewhere, if it would get any attention at all.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 45, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

Paula Deen Defended Southern Attitude Towards Race In Fall 2012 (VIDEO)

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Last fall, I visited the New York Times headquarters to see Paula Deen talk with Times reporter Kim Severson on a variety of topics. When I wrote it up, I focused mostly on her comments about her diabetes, because Deen's endorsement of the diabetes drug Victoza was still hot news. But I also briefly mentioned a strange segment of the talk in which she talked about Southern attitudes toward race. Today, all this talk of her recent racist comments spurred me to revisit the video of the TimesTalk. It's really shocking stuff. Watch the video at the top of this entry for our race-related highlights.



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Reply 46, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3467 times:

Paula explained it perfectly. Never photograph a black person against a black backround. All you will see are the eyes and the mouth. White or cream colored backrounds work best. Believe me, I know from experience.

When you get your ID tags made why do you think they have different colors for the backround?



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Reply 47, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3437 times:
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Quoting cjg225 (Reply 44):
Your comment reminded me of that because I wonder if the way Americans handle incidents like this is very unlike how other people view and handle such situations. I admit I am not the most worldly person so I don't really know how something like this would be treated elsewhere, if it would get any attention at all.

I think the attention given to the "N" word is both a positive and a negative.

It's a positive because it gives the media something to hang it's hat on and a grabby headline - "She said the N Word!!!"

It's negative because many people, especially in the South, may think "A Southern woman said the N word? Is that all there is?"

But it is a powerful word - it has become the headline focus of an entire history - and while too much attention may be paid to it, at least it provokes the debate.

There is racism in all post-colonial societies but I can't think of any word which has such power elsewhere - but nor can I think of the attendant debates. Australia is still a deeply racist country, but it's rarely acknowledged. The debate about the place and treatment of the Aboriginal people is very much below the surface only flaring up very occasionally when something dramatic happens. Most Australians are unaware of the Aboriginal people, they seldom meet any, and probably don't think about 'em much. Few people call Aboriginals "boongs" anymore, but that word never had such visceral meaning and there wouldn't be the same attention if they did.

Generally and with some exceptions, the racism endured by new chums - Indians, say - only flares up when one of them is beaten up or murdered, and the Somali community has its own unique problems - when one of the young men "goes bad" and people can use that as condemnation of both his race and the immigration policies. Everyone cheers when a young Somali wins at football, but he is seen as the exception, not the rule.

The debate about race in New Zealand is mostly confined to the white relationship with Maori, and it is to the forefront, but Maori is one of the darker races where whitey has said "okay, we owe you" but that has its own problems and is resented by many. The attitude to Indians and Somalis is largely ignored.

I'll limit this to those countries, because debates about the colonising countries would take a long essay. From my perspective, in Oz/Nz, the worry is that it is only the headline stuff that gets attention, no one talks about the daily, casual racism. At my local store, run by Indians, a white may deliberately whisper his order and when the Indian asks him to repeat it, the white man (woman can be as bad) takes umbrage and tells him to learn English.

But there are no headlines in that - no one said the N word - so while I may think that the N word gets too much attention in the US, it may be that attention which is the springboard for the debate.

mariner

[Edited 2013-06-23 13:45:51]


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 48, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3373 times:

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 13):
Hell, get Gordon Ramsay on there

Now, Now they are a family friendly network....G rated. They won't even show they killing and butchering an animal. Which is sad, its how that animal ends up on your plate.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 16):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):What did the people want, a diabetic cooking show?
I think that would be a great idea considering how many diabetics are in this country.
Quoting type-rated (Reply 17):

While I don't have diabetes it seems to run in my family. This is a good idea as it affects so many Americans. Maybe someone should send this idea to the Food Network for consideration.

I've seen one pop up on PBS. It looked like it was don't be a local station not PBS national so the production values aren't quite there, no budget I suppose. But it would be good. I know there have been various attempts to have shows that show healthy or healthier cooking. Garaham Kerr and Christine Cooks sort of highlight that genre.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 24):
I would have never really expected the racial component here, but kitchens are famously coarse, to say the least, so the foul language, the porn, the dirty jokes, that seems all pretty common place in the life of a cook
Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 31):
I mean I think she is a product of her growing up, her environment, the times, but I do think it is highly possible there is a racially tiinted side of her. And again it's a product of her environment and age.
Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 31):
Anybody remember the Frugal Gourmet?

I do, growing up he was the early PBS show so I only caught him if my little brother didn't get up in time for Looney Toons.

I have a number of his shows downloaded on my Ipod. When his scandal came around

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):Remember a few years ago they canned Robert Irwin allegedly for imbelishing his resume
Robert Irvine was indeed fired for embellishing his resume, but was not even close to the PR and legitimate employment risk Deen is here.


I'll agree with that. Nobody heard about it until the day they announced he was getting canned. But that just means they might have to wait longer to bring Paula back. Which may be a real option if she wins, remember this is just a deposition this came out in, not the courtroom.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
Also, her sexually harassing behavior is absolutely shocking and also highly illegal.

Again at this point they are just accusations in a civil suit. They haven't been proven.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
Only misogynistic bigots would see Deen as a "victim" here.

Easy, there are a lot of politics involved in cases like this, her accuser may in fact be proven a liar. Like I said before this is just a deposition. The case ins't called yet. Argueably if she was found not to have done these things then yes she was a victim. The info we have from the desposition came from the laywers for the woman pushing the claims against Deen. I would suggest these shouldn't be considered reliable sources.

Quoting mariner (Reply 37):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):Its a non-renewal, not a sacking.
I've been "non-renewed." It sure felt like a sacking to me

I agree, it was a sacking. I do like how the English/Aussies say sacking rather then fired.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 40):
Nobody growing up in the deep south in her generation can say they never said "nigger", although, it was rarely used in the better households. In Atlanta when I was growing up it was mostly used by poor whites. My parents would not allow the word in their house, however, they referred to blacks as "colored people" or "negroes" or worse------such as "boy" or "girl". We had a yard-man about 60 years old that was a "boy"! And my mother had "girls" come in to do the laundry and iron on Mondays and Tuesdays. I used to ask why they called them that since they were all older than my parents at the time and was always told "never you mind" go play!

That's just the way it was back then. My father always had the attitude that if they (black people) fought to defend the country and paid taxes they deserved to be treated like any other American and that was the attitude in our house. If black people came to eat dinner at my parents house we had to draw the draperies closed so no one could see in!
Also, my friends used to love staying over at my parents house because they would allow us to watch and dance to "colored music" such as the latest Motown stars and James Brown, etc. Some of my friends actually had to smuggle their Supremes records over to my place because their parents threatened severe punishments for having them! That was Atlanta, back in the day. It also helped that my parents were New Yorkers. When they were dating in the 1940's they partied at some of the best clubs in Harlem. So they understood.

Everybody needs to read this part again and remember you are a product of your environment and yes, you should take that in consideration when dealing with other people, from different times, different regions, different countries.

Frankly I would argue that Paula grew up in a lousy time to be in the south and she has been shaped by that.



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 49, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

I wanted to be supportive about her, because I don't believe we should all suffer for our past but,

Quoting jamincan (Reply 25):

I think this goes quite a bit beyond someone saying the n-word. As I've read more, the allegations toward Paula Deen and her brother our pretty shocking, particularly against her brother. This is one complaint directed at Paula Deen specifically:

Quote:
Paula Deen placed Ms. Jackson in charge of food and serving arrangements for the wedding of her brother Bubba Hiers in February 2007. When Ms. Jackson asked Ms. Deen what look the wedding should have, Ms. Deen replied, "I want a true southern plantation-style wedding." Asked by Ms. Jackson what type of uniforms she preferred servers to wear, Paula Deen stated, "Well what I would really like is a bunch of little niggers to wear long-sleeve white shirts, black shorts and black bow ties, you know in the Shirley Temple days, they used to tap dance around." Paula Deen laughed and said "Now that would be a true southern wedding, wouldn't it? But we can't do that because the media would be on me about that."

Apparently African-American staff were required to use separate bathrooms too. And when complaints were brought to Paula Deen about her brother, she ignored them. I'm not surprised that FN doesn't want to be associated with her.

That's damn bad.

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 31):

Do I think she's a racist? No,. I don't really. I mean I think she is a product of her growing up, her environment, the times, but I do think it is highly possible there is a racially tiinted side of her. And again it's a product of her environment and age.

I don't think she actually is either.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):

I can't imagine Deen's hubris or her lawyers' foolishness/profit motives that it got this far. I have people lie to me about the things they say and do to their employees in depositions all the time. Its never this easy. If Deen was going to be honest about violating the law, she should have saved herself a lot of time and likely her job by resolving the case and having a rock solid confidentiality clause in the settlement agreement.

I advise people never to accept confidentiality clauses. If the defendant did something wrong they should be shamed. I didn't accept one when I had to sue someone.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 40):
Exactly.

We've known where your opinion stands on all sorts of issues, nothing surprising in your reply.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 50, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

Ah, the dreaded N word. Mrs Deen, being an older person, it's hard to see this as something other than racism. Interestingly, when I hear the word used, most the time it's not referring to black people but any kind of person that pisses someone off. I'd say 80% of the time I hear it, it's being used against a white person believe it or not. Maybe it's where I grew up or maybe it's my generation, but the word has lost most of it's racial connotation, I have found.

I see it used in a racial sense, sometimes, but not as a broad generalization, but against a specific black person. Doesn't make it right, but I see it better than just prejudice/racism... as in a person with no ill will against black people would use the word if a specific black person pissed them off.

And then there is the word "nigga" which is completely different and is used a lot, mostly by black people, but often by whites. You'll hear "what's up my nigga" and no one thinks twice about it, as no malevolence is intended or taken. Back to my first paragraph, an example of "nigger" would be if someone gets cut off, the driver may say "what a nigger!" with absolutely no regard to the race... may be a white driver.

I personally shy away from questionable language and cussing, as cussing may get you in trouble but not cussing won't. I do not get offended by words but realize many do, so why risk anything? I'm sure the younger posters may see some of the same situations I've seen. I know the history of the word is awful, but these days, I would say about 75% of it is said in jest and has nothing to do with its terrible history (based off what I personally see.) Unfortunately for Mrs Deen, it looks like she used the word in a pretty bad way



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 51, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 40):
I wouldn't be surprised if Paula's lawyers end up counter-suing.

    

For what? Ripping her apart in a deposition?

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 40):
It really does appear as though the lawyers are up to no good.

For doing their job and zealously representing their client? Its entirely possible the Enquirer, as I mentioned before, bought their own copy of the deposition. Its not hard to find out about these things.

In fact, from what I've read, people found out about this whole thing when Deen's lawyers used certain parts of the transcript to attempt to preserve some privilege for Deen's in-house counsel who also acted as her HR department (good luck with that). Tabloids monitor legal proceedings involving celebrities all the time and it costs mere cents to buy these documents.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 48):
Which may be a real option if she wins, remember this is just a deposition this came out in, not the courtroom.

She's not going to win. She's going to settle or lose.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 48):
The info we have from the desposition came from the laywers for the woman pushing the claims against Deen. I would suggest these shouldn't be considered reliable sources.

I've read the entire transcript. Its shocking. If anything, it shows she was clearly under-prepared.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 48):
I agree, it was a sacking. I do like how the English/Aussies say sacking rather then fired.

Sacking is a cute term, but a non-renewal is a very different legal thing.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 49):
I advise people never to accept confidentiality clauses.

They are basically uniform in employment settlements in the US.



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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3291 times:

I don't think it boils down to her 'just' using the word. It is how she is perceived through that usage, through the video posted, through her deposition. It is 'her' in general and what people may think she stands for. Obviously there are those who don't feel that way and she will always have fans. But even if I did not agree with food network, I could still try to understand why they would not want to be associated with her. Much like I understand QVC is considering similar as well.
I mean look at Lance Armstrong. Not the same instance but one where his reputation in the public eye was tarnished and sponsors had to follow suit and dissassociate themselves from him.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 48):
Everybody needs to read this part again and remember you are a product of your environment and yes, you should take that in consideration when dealing with other people, from different times, different regions, different countries.

Frankly I would argue that Paula grew up in a lousy time to be in the south and she has been shaped by that.

I read it several times. Was kind of an odd post. Are you condoning this post? I can't tell. It sounds a little too extreme to be taken seriously, but then again , I was born and raised in somewhat liberal northern california and have always lived on the west coast / hawaii most of my life (except for the year in France, and less than a year in NYC). Somehow I doubt Miss Jane Pittman would want to walk down the street in Atlanta and hear some young thing call her "hey ni@@a'.


User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 53, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3289 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 51):
They are basically uniform in employment settlements in the US.

I probably could have gotten more in mine, but I don't like secrecy. $140,000 richer, $40,000 of which the manager personally had to pay...I felt pretty good. But it wasn't a racial case, a case about a bad reference and bad-mouthing to a future employer.

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 52):
I read it several times. Was kind of an odd post. Are you condoning this post?

Seriously. A good half of my family, aunts and such, grew up in the south during Jim Crow laws. I have "white" and "black" older relatives. Just because you are southern-raised and 60+ doesn't forgive these words and feelings. I'm trying to balance this.



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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2529 posts, RR: 23
Reply 54, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3242 times:
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Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 49):
We've known where your opinion stands on all sorts of issues, nothing surprising in your reply.

And your point is?

Is your point to attack me personally? Or is it my opinion that you want to attack?
Be reminded that the first is against the by-laws and the second is what it is. My opinion is no more or less important than anyone else's. It is after all only an OPINION. And I pay the same amount of money everyone else on this blog pays to express my opinions.

Oh, and I don't know who "we" is, however, considering none of "you" have ever even met me I question how you are able to make a determination about what kind of person I am in spite of your condescending remark.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 55, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

And now Smithfield cancels Deen's endorsement deal:

Smithfield Foods severs ties with Paula Deen



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19415 posts, RR: 58
Reply 56, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3153 times:

Quoting luckyone (Reply 41):

Any food can be obesogenic if you eat enough of it.

Try to get fat on a paleo diet. Just try.

Obesogenic foods are foods that overwhelm the body's sense of satiety by loading it with refined sugar, starch, sodium, and fat. That way, you don't know when to stop eating. The Southern cuisine of breading and deep-frying everything and salting the living daylights out of it is one reason why Louisiana is the fattest state in the Union.


User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3132 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 56):

Try to get fat on a paleo diet. Just try.

Obesogenic foods are foods that overwhelm the body's sense of satiety by loading it with refined sugar, starch, sodium, and fat. That way, you don't know when to stop eating. The Southern cuisine of breading and deep-frying everything and salting the living daylights out of it is one reason why Louisiana is the fattest state in the Union.

As a doctor I'm sure you know as well as anybody to never say never in medicine, or science in general. If one consumes so many more Calories than one expends, one can become obese, no matter what you're eating. Some foods make that easier than others, but that is not unique to the South. Being a Michigander (also one of the top ten fattest states on some lists) I'm sure you're familiar with Polish cuisine, just to name one example. I work with a lot of Mexican patients and the obesity is astounding.

As for the states, the last study I saw showed Mississippi as the fattest state. But the reasoning is indeed the same.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 58, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

While I've been following the Supreme Ct. goings on today I completely missed that Paula Deen appeared on Today this morning in a do-over from missing last Friday's appearance. She scared the living daylights out of Matt by the end of it, jeepers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PL02LMD8Gw

And another two companies dropped her, WalMart and Caesars.

Paula Deen dropped by Wal-Mart after 'Today' tears



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User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 59, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 17):
Quoting jamincan (Reply 11):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
Will the person who has never used this word please step forward now..... I thought so.
Quoting jamincan (Reply 11):
I never have. Is that really so unusual?

You don't live in the US. It's a US culture thing, you wouldn't understand.

I disagree completely, and I do live in America. I have never dropped the N word. Calling it a "cultural" thing is frankly a cop out- "nigger" is not a word that most educated and progressive Americans use. I know my parents would have washed my mouth out with soap if I said it.


User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4952 posts, RR: 19
Reply 60, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 59):
I disagree completely, and I do live in America.

Then why does your flag say "Australia"?

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 59):
I know my parents would have washed my mouth out with soap if I said it.

That's child abuse! Did you report this to the authorities?



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User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 61, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 60):
Then why does your flag say "Australia"?

Seriously? The flag that I chose to "fly" is not the be-all-end all identifier of my nationality/ethnic make-up or country of residence.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 60):
That's child abuse! Did you report this to the authorities?

No it's not. And I wouldn't hesitate to parent my kids the same way if I chose to have kids... I turned out (mostly) great  


User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4952 posts, RR: 19
Reply 62, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2979 times:

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 61):
Seriously? The flag that I chose to "fly" is not the be-all-end all identifier of my nationality/ethnic make-up or country of residence.

Well it sure does have an effect on people writing to you. It leads people the believe you are in Australia. When writing it helps to know what kind of culture you are from so you can try to see the other person's POV.

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 61):
No it's not. And I wouldn't hesitate to parent my kids the same way if I chose to have kids... I turned out (mostly) great

Putting a poisonous substance in a child's mouth as punishment sure as heck is child abuse! Just ask our DocLightning!
Wouldn't it be better to have an honest conversation with the child letting him know that he has done wrong and has offended people? Times have changed, buddy.



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11533 posts, RR: 15
Reply 63, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 61):
The flag that I chose to "fly" is not the be-all-end all identifier of my nationality/ethnic make-up or country of residence.

In the States it is. The South still sees the Civil War as the War of Northern Aggression, even though the South fired the first shots. Anyone in the States flying the Confederate flag is thought to be racist to begin with. That owning a dark skinned person is acceptable and how dare those Yankees pass laws against that. Having grown up in the West, that's how I see it.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25009 posts, RR: 85
Reply 64, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2955 times:
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Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 58):
While I've been following the Supreme Ct. goings on today I completely missed that Paula Deen appeared on Today this morning in a do-over from missing last Friday's appearance. She scared the living daylights out of Matt by the end of it, jeepers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PL02...MD8Gw

I watched it and found it quite disturbing. She knows that something bad - really, really bad - has happened to her, but she doesn't really understand why.

She tried to cover all the bases with her speech about everyone being equal ("no matter who you go to bed with") and it got extreme from there.

She admitted using the N word once long ago (in extreme circumstances) but she denounced those in her kitchen who use it, she claimed to be appalled by it. Tears flowed when she spoke of her loving grand-children, and she neatly avoided the question that she was just making the appearance to shore up her financial situation.

The end is amazing ("I is who I is") and she likens herself (quite dramatically) to the woman cast out in adultery - let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Part of me wanted to laugh - but that would have been too easy.

mariner



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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

Home Depot as well, as I have read..

I guess now is a good time to ask her opinions on DOMA and Prop 8...


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 66, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2895 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 64):
The end is amazing ("I is who I is") and she likens herself (quite dramatically) to the woman cast out in adultery - let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

I was quite shocked with her ending, and feel that there's some compassion starting out there for her, otherwise her mocking ebonics would have been lept on, which it hasn't been at all.

“If there’s anyone out there that has never said something that they wish they could take back, if you’re out there, please pick up that stone and throw it so hard at my head that it kills me, please I want to meet you,” she said. “I is what I is and I’m not changing.”

All of a sudden she asks to be stoned to death then changes to a mocking deep South vernacular. If he hadn't been wearing such a nice tan, Matt Lauer would have gone whiter than a loaf of Wonder bread.

Paula was well-prepped to start the interview, trying to give it direction at the beginning, then losing it completely. What came across to me is that she really does think she did the right thing in telling the truth during her deposition, and is looking at the fallout from that as the jealousy around her—this wasn't the first time she's brought that up—rather than that people are probably thinking "if you can say it once, you can say it more than once".

I only feel a bit sorry for her, for her lack of worldliness in a society which demands it. She came into fame late in life, and doesn't know how to work her way out of this crisis because of the persecution she feels is out there. Otherwise, she has to deal with the baggage that growing up when and where she did brings with it for someone with such a high profile.

It'll be interesting to see how she works this out.



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User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2874 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 66):
What came across to me is that she really does think she did the right thing in telling the truth during her deposition, and is looking at the fallout from that as the jealousy around her—this wasn't the first time she's brought that up—rather than that people are probably thinking "if you can say it once, you can say it more than once"

I agree she was right to be honest. And I applaud her honesty--it's actually refreshing--but at this point she just needs to clam up. Whether or not her actions were correct, she doesn't have to go bed knowing she lied. She clearly knows that she fouled up, and I think that people ganging up on her for a stupid slip of the tongue has gotten a bit cruel. But that is the price you pay when you expose yourself to the media and public opinion and make your living on the positive upswing of fickleness. She made herself an easy target and made a few shoddy decisions. My opinion is that she took the drug endorsement because she was looking to hang up her apron and call it a day, and wanted a few extra bucks in the bank. That clouded her judgement. I have to think that if she'd been diagnosed ten years ago toward the beginning of her career she wouldn't have made that endorsement deal. She hasn't done any of the real cooking at her restaurant in years, and ran out of recipes for her TV show after about three years, which is when she started bringing in guests to do most of the cooking. She started selling her name and personality instead of her craft, which is a much less-solid footing, and a transition that ultimately proved easy to attack.


User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 68, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2871 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 62):
Well it sure does have an effect on people writing to you. It leads people the believe you are in Australia. When writing it helps to know what kind of culture you are from so you can try to see the other person's POV.

Which is why I said:

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 59):
I do live in America.
Quoting type-rated (Reply 62):
Putting a poisonous substance in a child's mouth as punishment sure as heck is child abuse! Just ask our DocLightning!
Wouldn't it be better to have an honest conversation with the child letting him know that he has done wrong and has offended people? Times have changed, buddy.

That's jumping from 0-10. Of course, having an honest conversation would be the necessary first step. Times sure have changed though... hazarding a generalization, but working in the service industry where I observe a lot of families on vacation, kids walk all over their parents these days, because parents try and be their kids best friends. That's a totally different conversation though.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 63):
In the States it is. The South still sees the Civil War as the War of Northern Aggression, even though the South fired the first shots. Anyone in the States flying the Confederate flag is thought to be racist to begin with. That owning a dark skinned person is acceptable and how dare those Yankees pass laws against that. Having grown up in the West, that's how I see it.

As I said. I do live in America. I am very familiar with US history. I lived in Virginia, closer to Washington than Richmond mind you, but I did see Confederate themed things around the area from time to time. It seems racist to me. I always wondered, if people are so proud of their Southern heritage, why not fly the flag of their respective state? The Confederacy is dead, and has been for a long time, and some of the things they stood for died with good reason. I can't see how flying the confederate flag ISN'T racist- it's for sure done to attract attention to the taboos it represents. The same goes for bringing back Confederate money. >>> I do agree with what you are saying however.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 69, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2852 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 50):
And then there is the word "nigga" which is completely different and is used a lot, mostly by black people, but often by whites. You'll hear "what's up my nigga" and no one thinks twice about it, as no malevolence is intended or taken.

Actually, several years ago, a white school teacher was indeed fired from his job for using that word.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uvJzr0zZvk



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 70, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2845 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 69):
Actually, several years ago, a white school teacher was indeed fired from his job for using that word.

Well of course it isn't PC, and a lot of people do get offended. But just among random young people, I've heard it many times and no one cares, black white or other

I do admit that different cohorts see things differently. I have not been in a crowd of any color that were true racists



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8190 posts, RR: 8
Reply 71, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

Quoting jamincan (Reply 11):
I never have. Is that really so unusual?

When we lived in Australia or 8 years heard the word used twice. Once was a put down of Americans ("What do Americans cal a black man with a PhD) and the other was clearly racists. Twice in 8 years.

When we moved back my daughter went to a very good local school that had an influx of bussing. Her complaint wasn't the students bussed in, but their continual use of the word - generally in a loud manner - as they called out to friends between classes and before & after school.

To be blunt, that type of situation and the use of the word by black entertainers (like in rap) appears to make the word acceptable in this country. When the black community comes together to get rid of the word we are halfway there.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 72, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 71):
To be blunt, that type of situation and the use of the word by black entertainers (like in rap) appears to make the word acceptable in this country. When the black community comes together to get rid of the word we are halfway there.

Why should people re-stigmatize the word and try and get rid of it? I think the current trend of it become not-derogatory any more is a much better course of action than trying to censor it. I do not use it, but the people I know that use it were never connected to slavery and segregation, and the evil of the word is gone, if not the word itself

Banning a word is impossible... having the meaning change is quite possible and it has already happened. It's hard to see from a younger point of view just as I find it hard to see how racist society used to be. Times are changing, racism will never go away but it will continue to decrease, just as malicious use of this word is decreasing

I guess we can compare it to any bad word. Long ago, saying "damn" was a terrible curse, now it's something you say if stub your toe



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25009 posts, RR: 85
Reply 73, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2823 times:
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Quoting luckyone (Reply 67):
I agree she was right to be honest. And I applaud her honesty--it's actually refreshing--but at this point she just needs to clam up.

I agree - lay low, let it go away - but I don't think she can clam up.

She doesn't know how to atone because she doesn't know what her sin is. In the world in which she grew up hers was fairly standard behaviour. Her peer group are probably still behaving the same way, or saying the same things, and they are not being punished.

But she is watching a river of money flushing down the lav and she cannot work out why - what sin she has committed that is so great it merits a punishment that threatens to destroy everything she has built up.

So she perceives herself as victim and she wants the world to understand that.

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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4952 posts, RR: 19
Reply 74, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

She is being crucified because she said something that you hear black people say everyday. That's what I have a problem with. This should have been an apologize and move on moment.

If the black community wants this kind of stuff removed from use, they need to start by cleaning up their own house first.
Oh, I forgot asking the black community to do anything is considered racist.



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User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 75, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 71):
When we lived in Australia or 8 years heard the word used twice. Once was a put down of Americans ("What do Americans cal a black man with a PhD) and the other was clearly racists. Twice in 8 years.

Australia has had its fair share of racism too... toward its indigenous people and towards immigrants. Australia used to have a "white only" immigration policy, that was only fairly recently (I want to say in the last ~50 years... maybe less) reversed and atoned.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 72):
Why should people re-stigmatize the word and try and get rid of it? I think the current trend of it become not-derogatory any more is a much better course of action than trying to censor it. I do not use it, but the people I know that use it were never connected to slavery and segregation, and the evil of the word is gone, if not the word itself

The word was never un-stigmatized, it was revealed in a manner not paid attention to before: used within a race to fellow members of the said race.

Really, the current trend of it isn't good, in my opinion, either. Young people, including black people, are using a word from a troubling time in much of American society without having any idea what the word means historically.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 74):

She is being crucified because she said something that you hear black people say everyday.

But she isn't black- which makes it racist. And the context in which it was used was also racist.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 74):
She is being crucified because she said something that you hear black people say everyday.
Quoting type-rated (Reply 74):
That's what I have a problem with.

While I don't like that the word is used in the black community- its not the same. Until recently... and even still today, this is what black people were referred to, by lawmakers, employers, educators, and society in general. Back in slave times, this is what black people were called by society, it is all they knew and all they were permitted to be- it only makes sense that people who were denied education, constitutional rights... the freedom to organize and politicize called each other what society called them. What choice did they really have?

And while the great leaders of civil rights abstained from using the word- not all of black society did, because historically, its just as much of the African American experience, as backwards as it may seem....

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 72):
Banning a word is impossible...

I agree.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 72):
I guess we can compare it to any bad word. Long ago, saying "damn" was a terrible curse, now it's something you say if stub your toe

Not a valid comparison. Saying "damn" doesn't refer to a person or a specific group of people in negative terms.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 74):
Oh, I forgot asking the black community to do anything is considered racist.

Graceless.

Quoting mariner (Reply 73):
I agree - lay low, let it go away - but I don't think she can clam up.

Its not going to go away now if she does nothing, it will only confirm to those who believe she is racist.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 74):
This should have been an apologize and move on moment.

As a public figure, a "role model" who comes into people's homes everyday, her publicist or whomever did her PR work was with her, asleep at the wheel. The best thing she could have done was to get this skeleton out of her closet early on in her public career, while she still had control of it. The best thing you can do if you've done wrong is get it out quick and get it out first. By doing so, you not only have control of the message, but you look more honest and have a better chance at being forgiven. If she had done that, she would still be telling us to "add another stick of butter, ya'll" from her studio kitchen.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8190 posts, RR: 8
Reply 76, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 72):
Banning a word is impossible...

But when the black community uses it in multi-racial schools or in the media it keeps it a frequently used part of speck - which is the last thing it should be. That's why I believe it should be a priority in the black community to shut that term down.

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 75):
Australia has had its fair share of racism too... toward its indigenous people and towards immigrants.

I'm aware of that. Before we migrated we had a couple come by to talk to us. The wife was a white Aussie and her husband was a black American GI - they met when he was there on R&R from Vietnam. The purpose of the visit was for him to talk about acceptance in the community if they moved. He had a Masters and had a good job offer. My comment was that when the locals saw him their first thought was that he was a Yank and the second was that he was black. They did move for the job and when I talked to him after a few years there about it he comment was that it was a little bit awkward at first, but quickly settled down as his co-workers got used to him. This, BTW, was almost 40 years ago.


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Reply 77, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2787 times:
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Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 75):
Its not going to go away now if she does nothing, it will only confirm to those who believe she is racist.

Nothing will change minds of those who already believe it, but her tv and video appearances have done nothing to diminish the crisis, she will be damned by some no matter what she says, so perhaps it is better to lay low and say nothing.

As I've said, I think she reflects the time and place in which she lives/grew up and there is little she can do to change that, except, perhaps, be less honest, which I don't think is all that desirable either.

Meanwhile, some, especially some women, are starting to kick back against the ferocity of the attacks on her:

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/06/26...paula-deens-today-show-appearance/

"Deen, who rose to fame on her buttery, folksy way with words as well as ribs, went full Southern gothic to turn the table on her critics. Hers was a display somewhere on the scale between the defiant Bill Clinton (“I did not have sex with that woman”) and the weepy televangelist Tammy Faye Bakker.

Yes, what she did was stupid. And she is now paying a severe financial price for it as well as witnessing the crumbling of her reputation.

So just how is she supposed to “turn on the charm” and not sound “desperate”? Of course, had she been the opposite-smiling and nonchalant-they would be excoriating her for that too.

Maybe the tears are sincere, maybe they’re not. But they are certainly appropriate for the situation and not deserving of a negative review.


And it surely isn't hurting sales of her books:

http://www.oregonlive.com/books/inde...paula_deen_book_sales_soar_as.html

"Paula Deen book sales soar as she loses deals; new release hits No. 1 on Amazon"

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User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 78, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 76):
But when the black community uses it in multi-racial schools or in the media it keeps it a frequently used part of speck - which is the last thing it should be. That's why I believe it should be a priority in the black community to shut that term down.

Agreed.

Quoting mariner (Reply 77):
Nothing will change minds of those who already believe it, but her tv and video appearances have done nothing to diminish the crisis, she will be damned by some no matter what she says, so perhaps it is better to lay low and say nothing.

Agreed. I think though, that if she had been more forthcoming from the beginning, when she first got on TV, she wouldn't be in the situation she is in now. As insignificant at it may sound, going on the record and apologizing after she made the remarks, and doing something like having local black cooks guest star on her show, share a recipe or two... whatever to show that she truly isn't racist (and I'm not saying she is or isn't) would have served her way better than someone else revealing this scandal and putting her on the defense.

This is why, IMO, her apology tour isn't working. Too little, too late.


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Reply 79, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2765 times:
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Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 78):
As insignificant at it may sound, going on the record and apologizing after she made the remarks, and doing something like having local black cooks guest star on her show, share a recipe or two..

She introduced one of her black staff - her security guard, whom she referred to as a son by another father - on a tv show in 2012.

And there may be more to the Food Network decision than meets the eye:

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...ngs-before-food-network-dismissal/

"Paula Deen's show ratings down before Food Network dismissal

Deen’s departure, in fact, may be just a minor loss for the Food Network. Viewership for “Paula’s Best Dishes” was down 15 percent this year, according to the Wall Street Journal and viewership among 18 to 49 year olds —the most important advertising demographic— was down 22 percent for the 2012/2013 season."


It may be that Food Network was looking for any ol' excuse to drop her.

The attacks have been so ferocious that now, as in my previous post, women are coming to her defence - Martha Stewart is the latest and she knows a thing or three about the fickle finger of fate:

http://www.latimes.com/features/food...a-stewart-20130627,0,7407818.story

"Paula Deen: Martha Stewart, survivor of public scandal, sympathizes"

And nine companies are standing with her, at least for now:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3511818.html?utm_hp_ref=business

9 Companies Still Standing With Paula Deen "

I don't defend her - I think she was very foolish, cashed up white trash with a loose tongue - but I dislike disproportionate reactions.

The O J Simpson trial - and what happened with the N word then - lingers in my mind.

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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 80, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 75):
The word was never un-stigmatized, it was revealed in a manner not paid attention to before: used within a race to fellow members of the said race.

Really, the current trend of it isn't good, in my opinion, either. Young people, including black people, are using a word from a troubling time in much of American society without having any idea what the word means historically.

I'm very certain everyone knows the word was once used very hatefully and can even be used today. Now coming from a young, white person who never grew up around racism and doesn't use the word, I'm sure my view on the word is less critical than for other people. Based off what I've seen, it won't go away but it doesn't need to go away, and eventually 99% of its usage will just be normal slang and none of us will care.

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 75):
Not a valid comparison. Saying "damn" doesn't refer to a person or a specific group of people in negative terms.

I know it's not a 1:1 comparison, but words are words. We define meanings and meanings change. Saying "damn you" is not as bad as it was a while back, and saying "what's up my nigga" is just as harmless, at least to most young people I've seen. I see it used as a race-less term for the most part, though most people I've seen are initially hesitant to say that to a black person until they realize he/she doesn't care



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11533 posts, RR: 15
Reply 81, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2728 times:

This country still (and always) needs to have open and honest dialog about race.

The way Paula Deen said things, she sounded very nonchalant about it. "Oh, sure, I used that word. Oh, sure, I wanted the coloreds to dress as they would in antebellum times. Oh, sure, they were separate but equal at the reception. Doesn't everyone do that?" That seemed to be her attitude. After a minority treats me less than human, I have those thoughts too. I just don't say it out loud. The difference seems that I start at the point of "they are human and I will respect them as such" where Paula Deen still has a bit of "I am white and better than them" in her.

Another thing: We do need to have open and honest dialog about race relations. We also need to understand that *SOME* minorities have gone overboard. *SOME* minorities blame the whites for everything and *SOME* use racial slurs for whites and think that is acceptable. If you don't like racial slurs used by us for your group, don't use racial slurs for my group. Why can't we talk about that also?

I emphasize "some" because I know that there are many "minorities" (read: non-white) who are just trying to live free like the rest of us.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 82, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 81):
Another thing: We do need to have open and honest dialog about race relations. We also need to understand that *SOME* minorities have gone overboard. *SOME* minorities blame the whites for everything and *SOME* use racial slurs for whites and think that is acceptable. If you don't like racial slurs used by us for your group, don't use racial slurs for my group. Why can't we talk about that also?

I agree. Racism is not just a white problem (even though whites usually have the power to inflict the most damage with it.) Many minorities often show discontent at white people (not just their racism but white people in general.) It doesn't harm white people as much, but it still isn't right. We need to address these realities and show people that it's not always racism, sometimes ya do it to yourself. I agree with you... if Paula Deen was something other than white, this controversy would be much different, and that just isn't right



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11533 posts, RR: 15
Reply 83, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 82):
We need to address these realities and show people that it's not always racism, sometimes ya do it to yourself.

Racism is racism. Period. Whether it is a White man calling a Black man the "N" word or a Latino man calling a White man the "C" word. We need to understand that it is all bad. Don't like the color of my skin? That's your problem. Not mine.



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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2529 posts, RR: 23
Reply 84, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2703 times:
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Quoting type-rated (Reply 74):
She is being crucified because she said something that you hear black people say everyday. That's what I have a problem with. This should have been an apologize and move on moment.

Yes. There has been a lynch-mob mentality about this whole thing. Ridiculous. Everyone picking her apart. I understand it when she says let them without guilt throw the first stone. All these people trying to destroy her are nowhere near perfect. And there seems to be more and more the attitude to "kick 'em while the're down". Makes people full of guilt themselves feel better.

If the black community wants this kind of stuff removed from use, they need to start by cleaning up their own house first.



That's very true. It is a strange twist and a double-standard when it's o.k. for black people to say nigger in every other sentence whether joking or not and yet if someone of another race says nigger they are attacked and smeared. Haters exist everywhere. Gives the wrong message. To me my black friends are just "people". I don't think of them as "black" people. So I have become used to their use of the word. Doesn't make it right.

I use the word "niggardly" sometimes when referring to someone who is pitifully cheap. Seems like the perfect word to me and does not infer anything racist, however I sure do get some "looks" when I say it, presumably because the other party does not grasp the true meaning of the word.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 85, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 74):
She is being crucified because she said something that you hear black people say everyday. That's what I have a problem with. This should have been an apologize and move on moment.

If the black community wants this kind of stuff removed from use, they need to start by cleaning up their own house first.
Oh, I forgot asking the black community to do anything is considered racist.

This whole episode w/Paula Deen's comments reminds me a little bit of what happened w/Dr. Laura Schlessinger circa 2010.

FWIW, the below excerpt is from Wikipedia:

On August 10, 2010, Nita Hanson, an African-American woman married to a white man, called Schlessinger's show to ask for advice on dealing with racial comments made by acquaintances.

During the call, Schlessinger used the word "nigger" eleven times. When Hanson asked, "Is it ever OK to say that word?,"

Schlessinger responded, "It depends how it’s said. Black guys talking to each other seem to think it’s OK." After the call Schlessinger said, "If you're that hypersensitive about color and don't have a sense of humor, don't marry out of your race."

Immediately after that call, she took herself off the air, and early that evening wrote an apology to Los Angeles Radio People online journalist Don Barrett to post on his now-defunct website. A day later, as soon as she was back on the air, Schlessinger apologized.

Hanson questioned the motivation and sincerity of Schlessinger's apology, believing it to be result of being "caught". Hanson also said that Schlessinger did not apologize for her comments on interracial marriage.

Schlessinger announced she would end her radio show at the end of 2010:

I have made the decision not to do radio anymore. I want to regain my First Amendment rights. I want to be able to say what is on my mind.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Schlessinger



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User currently offlinestratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 86, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2610 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 74):
She is being crucified because she said something that you hear black people say everyday. That's what I have a problem with. This should have been an apologize and move on moment.

If the black community wants this kind of stuff removed from use, they need to start by cleaning up their own house first.
Oh, I forgot asking the black community to do anything is considered racist.

I am surprised Jesse Jackson and his poverty pimp sidekick the reverend Al Sharpton haven't made a move to cash in on this specticle. All I know is this woman while she made ignorant comments doesn't deserve to lose her empire over it. Unlike that scumbag Michael Vick who is a dog killer and felon seems everyone wanted to jump to help him out after his prison stint and thats a dude who in my opinion should have lost it all and never got a second chance to get it back.



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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2570 times:

You guys,she's not being 'crucified' for using an N word once or twice. It's her whole 'aura' or "persona" that companies have chosen not to be associted with her at this time . I'm not sure how to best explain it, but it's a range of happenstances that occured and was brought to awareness that spanned several years. Everything from her using the word, to admitting it, to her giving interviews that gave off the impression that it wasn't a big deal. There was an interview a few years ago in NY where she talks ab out a worker of her that she seems fond of, but describes him as "black as that board behind us" and says things like all you can see are his eyes and teeth... And then she says something like "come on out (name) no one can see you standing in front of that wall" or something to the effect. It's the plantation themed dinners, and her tearful apology and ending with "I is what I is" which I read is part of a racist joke:

Quote:
*When Paula Deen went on “Today” Wednesday to discuss her racism scandal and said through tears, “I is what I is,” — what it is (whether she knew it or not) is the punchline to a notorious racist joke titled “Black Or White God?”

Its the whole of her and bits and pieces that large corporations with a wide audience really have no choice but to discontinue their association with her "at this time". I'm sure it leads for the doors opening again perhaps down the road, as they assess the mood, let time pass and say "we've assessed the situation and feel at this time Ms. Deen has a lot to contribute and we feel confident that etc etc". At least 'in their eyes' they didn't sit and do nothing, thereby infuriating a wide range of people who would only associate Paula Deen with Walmart, QVC, that ham company, home deport and I understand now SEARS is discontnuing her products.

I also too understand the publisher of her book has opted not to publish it, so another issue to contend with. I don't necessarly feel she should lose an empire over her 'self', but in the grand scheme of things, do you honestly expect companies to side by her? They have to, in their eyes, make it as if they do not agree with her seemingly views.

.. and we don't actually see rappers "little bisket" and "Ice cream" hawking their wares on QVC or having a line of luxurious bath products at Bed Bath & Beyond.

On a side note, here is a hilarious clip from Wanda Sykes on the N word. It's uncensored FYI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biSt2g7l5aQ

[Edited 2013-06-28 23:48:11]

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 88, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 77):
"Paula Deen book sales soar as she loses deals; new release hits No. 1 on Amazon"

Astonishing news, the book deal has been cancelled, and the new book, despite hitting #1 on Amazon, won't be published by Random House. Three months ahead of its publishing date, that book must be almost ready to go to press by now.

Publisher Drops Book Deal With TV Chef Paula Deen

Quote:
But on Friday, its publisher, Random House, said it would not publish the cookbook, and would cancel a five-book contract it signed with Ms. Deen last year.

The book deal was one of the last remaining lucrative business relationships for the embattled celebrity chef. Its cancellation came on a day when Sears, Kmart and J. C. Penney announced that they would stop selling products, including cookbooks, branded with her name.


Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 87):
It's the plantation themed dinners, and her tearful apology and ending with "I is what I is" which I read is part of a racist joke

I'm surprised this hasn't gotten more play, as I commented about it above, seeing how everything else is so out of proportion, and Paula's crucifixion seeming never to end.

[Edited 2013-06-29 00:48:00]


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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17355 posts, RR: 46
Reply 89, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 85):
This whole episode w/Paula Deen's comments reminds me a little bit of what happened w/Dr. Laura Schlessinger circa 2010.

I forgot about that, but it highlights an interesting difference. Dr Schlessinger had a long history of being a vile, nasty c u next Tuesday, with questionable qualifications. The little I know about Paula Deen points to someone who has worked hard for her success, and has been nothing but syrupy sweet to anyone, until this episode. I think that may help her survive this better than that sucubus Dr Schlessinger ever could.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25009 posts, RR: 85
Reply 90, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2526 times:
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Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 88):
Astonishing news, the book deal has been cancelled, and the new book, despite hitting #1 on Amazon, won't be published by Random House. Three months ahead of its publishing date, that book must be almost ready to go to press by now.

It's an extraordinary piling on and I go back to my original position - I think her punishment is ludicrously disproportionate to her crime.

But then I thought the same was true of Martha Stewart.

Far greater sins are committed on Wall Street, almost every day, but Martha Stewart was an easy target, rich, famous - and a woman.

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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 91, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

After all that "bring out Willie", "he's blacker than this board!", "we can't see you against this black board" video...she has some damned learning to do.

And then these half-assed apologies on Youtube and Today. Wow.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 74):

She is being crucified because she said something that you hear black people say everyday. That's what I have a problem with. This should have been an apologize and move on moment.

If the black community wants this kind of stuff removed from use, they need to start by cleaning up their own house first.
Oh, I forgot asking the black community to do anything is considered racist.
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 76):
But when the black community uses it in multi-racial schools or in the media it keeps it a frequently used part of speck - which is the last thing it should be. That's why I believe it should be a priority in the black community to shut that term down.
Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 78):
Agreed.
Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 84):
That's very true. It is a strange twist and a double-standard when it's o.k. for black people to say nigger in every other sentence whether joking or not and yet if someone of another race says nigger they are attacked and smeared.
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 85):
Schlessinger responded, "It depends how it’s said. Black guys talking to each other seem to think it’s OK." After the call Schlessinger said, "If you're that hypersensitive about color and don't have a sense of humor, don't marry out of your race."

Again. Since when did all black people use and condone using the word nigger. And since when has that been a basis for all non-black American persons to use it and be so bitter about its usage?

Last time I checked, when I work with black Americans they don't all go around saying nigger this nigger that. Children don't either.

Do all gay people go around saying faggot? Some actually use the word faggot amongst each other. Does it make it right for you to call me that? No.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 84):
I use the word "niggardly" sometimes when referring to someone who is pitifully cheap. Seems like the perfect word to me and does not infer anything racist, however I sure do get some "looks" when I say it, presumably because the other party does not grasp the true meaning of the word.

Considering the phonetic similarity to nigger, do you wonder why?

Quoting stratosphere (Reply 86):
I am surprised Jesse Jackson and his poverty pimp sidekick the reverend Al Sharpton haven't made a move to cash in on this specticle. All I know is this woman while she made ignorant comments doesn't deserve to lose her empire over it. Unlike that scumbag Michael Vick who is a dog killer and felon seems everyone wanted to jump to help him out after his prison stint and thats a dude who in my opinion should have lost it all and never got a second chance to get it back.

Just like you are making ignorant comments about respected black Americans...whom have nothing to do with this...in the public eye? ...Yet Paula Deen shouldn't lose her empire.... For all this hate...Al Sharpton actually seemed supportive and forgiving of Paula Deen.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 81):
This country still (and always) needs to have open and honest dialog about race.

America never had, and it never will. Someone I was conversing with a while back said something to the extent of, "when will blacks and indians (sic Americans) just get over it?" As if being maligned as a human is something to "just get over".

My opinion is never. Because, there has never been a reconciliation in America and it is a part of American history, as American as George Washington. From my studies, ironically, the closest we came to that was during American reconstruction shortly after the civil war.



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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2529 posts, RR: 23
Reply 92, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2380 times:
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Quoting stratosphere (Reply 86):
I am surprised Jesse Jackson and his poverty pimp sidekick the reverend Al Sharpton haven't made a move to cash in on this specticle.

Well, it came as no surprise to me that the very reverend was on t.v. just this morning and is firmly aboard the lynch-mob gang out to destroy her. Such a shining example of christianity at work. Some of the most racist comments I ever heard came out of 'ole Jesse's mouth (and anyone who ever listened to Sharpton very closely knows what a racist he is as well.)

Oh, and in this morning's ATL Journal an article about former President (Jimmah) Carters' stand on the topic. Should be a relief for those on the far-left to hear of his steadfast support of Paula. Ah declaaaah, I guess he ain't half-bad after all.
Also, isn't it interesting that the "main-stream" media refuses to interview any of Paula's many black friends. A friend of mine down in Jessup told me about an interesting interview on a local radio station by a couple of Paula's black friends who had nothing but praise for her. Go figya.

I am wondering if there isn't something else more news-worthy at this point. This horse has been beaten plum to death already.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17355 posts, RR: 46
Reply 93, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 90):
I think her punishment is ludicrously disproportionate to her crime.

Some of the allegations are pretty serious, which if true merit the punishment. Then again the whole 'innocent until proven guilty' flies out the window in the court of public opinion.

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 87):
You guys,she's not being 'crucified' for using an N word once or twice.

The allegations are *much* more than just that; in fact I don't even think that is one of the allegations:

http://www.newpittsburghcourieronlin...being-alleged-before-defending-her

What I don't understand is that if it is alleged that blacks were confined to one bathroom etc, how was it not made public earlier? She's a huge public figure--how can something like that stay under wraps?

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 92):
Such a shining example of christianity at work

One day someone might actually find a bonified shining example of christianity



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 94, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 93):
She's a huge public figure--how can something like that stay under wraps?

There's a lot to this story that just doesn't sound right, and I'm sure there's more that'll come out in future weeks. The latest was that the plaintiff had claimed that the offense to the n-word came from being 'African-American adjacent', in that her niece is black. Only we come to find out that her niece isn't black, she's hispanic.

Source: Hicks: Paula Deen says accuser not connected to black community

How Paula's legal and investigative teams didn't find out about this ahead of time is astonishing. All of the questions in regards to the n-word could have probably been successfully objected to during the deposition, if they had nothing to do with the allegations, so there'd be no story here at all. At least not now, nor in this way.



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Reply 95, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2276 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 93):
Some of the allegations are pretty serious, which if true merit the punishment. Then again the whole 'innocent until proven guilty' flies out the window in the court of public opinion.

As Arthur Miller asked a long time ago - is the accuser always holy now?

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 94):
There's a lot to this story that just doesn't sound right, and I'm sure there's more that'll come out in future weeks.

There's some interesting stuff in this article comparing the treatment of Paula Deen with the (almost) pass that Alec Baldwin has been give for his homophobic tweets (which I admit made me laugh):

Apparently, some of the accusations that Jackson (the Deen accuser) made were not in the original complaint, but were added in a second amended complaint:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...c-baldwin-s-been-given-a-pass.html

Later on in the deposition, Deen’s defense team reveals that this is the Second Amended Complaint by Jackson, and that she had added the “little n--gers” and “tap dance” details to her first complaint."

And later:

“Paula Deen specifically testified that she did not use the N-word when describing her experience and that she did not describe the wait staff as alleged by Jackson in her Second Amended Complaint. Jackson’s deposition testimony further indicates the falsity of her incendiary allegations of Deen’s use of the N-word during the conversation about Hier’s wedding:

Q. Up until May 27th, 2010, you had no complaints or problems with Mrs. Deen, did you?

A. No.

Q. She had never indicated any discriminatory bias or prejudice, did she?

A. Yes. One remark she made at Bubba’s wedding planning.”


Make of it what you will. I'll leave to read the Baldwin stuff for yourself, but it includes phrases like "you toxic little queen."

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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17355 posts, RR: 46
Reply 96, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 95):

As Arthur Miller asked a long time ago - is the accuser always holy now?

In this case I think it's clear that the media has decided that the accuser is

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 94):
There's a lot to this story that just doesn't sound right, and I'm sure there's more that'll come out in future weeks

I just can't imagine most of these transgressions occurring without someone spilling the beans to social media within a nanosecond

Quoting mariner (Reply 95):
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...c-baldwin-s-been-given-a-pass.html

Great...now I gotta make sure I'm equally and appropriately offended by both Mrs Deen and Mr Baldwin and not give an unequal amount of foregiveness to one over the other 

"Rather, he made a pair of discriminatory comments towards a person—and by extension, a community—that is still fighting to be seen as equals"

Why do we automatically make the leap from person --> community? If I call Dr. Schlessinger a c#nt, that doesn't mean I think all doctors, women, Jews, whatever other attribute of hers can be used as a lightning rod, are c#nts. It would never even occur to me that Baldwin was homophobic b/c he lashed out at one person who slandered him.

[Edited 2013-07-01 01:10:33]


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25009 posts, RR: 85
Reply 97, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2254 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 96):
In this case I think it's clear that the media has decided that the accuser is

Much of the media, surely.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 96):
It would never even occur to me that Baldwin was homophobic b/c he lashed out at one person who slandered him.

Ah. Then In Andrew Sullivan's book, I guess you would be either a supremely generous and forgiving human being, a naive sucker, a fascist apologist - or a closet homophobe:

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/...29/you-are-worthless-alec-baldwin/

"You Are Worthless, Alec Baldwin"

Ending with:

"The double standard is blindingly obvious. Conservatives would be crucified for saying something like this. A liberal is given an easy exit. I’m not for punishing people for speech; but I am against excusing the threat of homophobic rape against a specific individual because the bigot says he pro-gay. Sorry, Mr Baldwin, but we await an actual apology."

The point remains - why the cascading vilification of Paula Deen and the (almost) free pass to Alec Baldwin?

Although I quite like the idea of him doing the "GLAAD Stations of the Cross" as penance.

 

mariner



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 98, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 94):
The latest was that the plaintiff had claimed that the offense to the n-word came from being 'African-American adjacent', in that her niece is black. Only we come to find out that her niece isn't black, she's hispanic.

We always knew the plaintiff was "white". And guess what, you can be "black" and Hispanic.

Quoting mariner (Reply 95):
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...c-baldwin-s-been-given-a-pass.html

This is a bit of a silly article and a bit off topic to me.

1) Equating racism to homophobia will never fly because gays never were slaves. And gays encompass every race/color.

2) Alec Baldwin (a known hothead and crazy) has zero to do with Paula Deen.

IMO, if you look at the Baldwins, they're all crazy.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17355 posts, RR: 46
Reply 99, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2238 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 97):
I guess you would be either a supremely generous and forgiving human being, a naive sucker, a fascist apologist - or a closet homophobe:

Or E) someone who can't be bothered by what a Baldwin says in an oddly frequent fit of rage 
Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 98):
2) Alec Baldwin (a known hothead and crazy) has zero to do with Paula Deen.

In both cases people are fixating on one word, but in Deen's case, much more is alleged. Frankly I think anyone that gets that caught up in a word needs to find a hobby--it's the actions that are more telling, and in very brief understanding of both of them they seem decent enough

Quoting mariner (Reply 97):

The point remains - why the cascading vilification of Paula Deen and the (almost) free pass to Alec Baldwin?

The allegations against Deen are much more lengthy, so it's not exactly a one to one scenario. I think it is fair to say however that if someone to the right of Baldwin said the same things he did, they'd be crucified. And I probably still couldn't care less...



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 100, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 99):
and in very brief understanding of both of them they seem decent enough

I fixate and read between the lines a lot. But I am in congruence with you in some sense. I don't really see Deen or Baldwin as racist/homophobic; I do see her as horribly, horribly, horribly ignorant though.

When an older, southern white person says, "Bring out Willie, he's black! He's my friend! He's as black as this board! (referencing a jet black printed background) Willie, get out from there, we can't see you against that black board!" It's pretty ignorant, and her intonation didn't help either. It references horrible old comparisons like the paper bag test, the pencil test, light vs. dark, all that in Americana. It looked like a old southern "white" boss giving orders to her "nigger" servants.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 101, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2222 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 95):
I'll leave to read the Baldwin stuff for yourself, but it includes phrases like "you toxic little queen."

Without validating what Alec said, his handlers and p/r people were right on this. I doubt that GLAAD put out their statement without encouragement coming from somewhere within the Baldwin camp, and his carefully worded apology tweets looked like it had the same type of input.

To the general public, that allowed Alec to come off as the stupid straight guy from the funny Capital One commercials who's done a lot for LGBT issues, but spoke out in a fit of rage defending his wife. People understand that basic caveman instinct to protect your brood—it won't always be pretty. But he's using up political capital that he'll run out of one day if he keeps this up (which I doubt he will, unless he really is just a crazy loon).

In contrast, Paula Deen had a whole history of transgressions coming out at once, which makes it look like this is some type of ingrained serial abuse. She only sought professional damage control once her fulfillment house-like business empire was collapsing around her, most of it after her sad appearance on the Today show.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 96):
I just can't imagine most of these transgressions occurring without someone spilling the beans to social media within a nanosecond

Not if you really needed that job and were afraid of retaliation. It's also worth more if you can take it to an attorney. There's evidence in there that the Deen camp was fairly well-versed in handling unhappiness generally, with the example of sending the one employee to Paula's mansion to be "massaged".

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 98):
We always knew the plaintiff was "white".

Of course, a long time ago:
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 18):
The employee who brought the lawsuit is a white female of Sicilian heritage.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 98):
And guess what, you can be "black" and Hispanic.

At the moment, that's not what's being reported in the counter-claim by Deen. But I guess as not a party to this action, you know better?  



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 102, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2226 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 101):

Yes darling, I do. Since when did race and ethnic categorization become correlated with Paula Deen's lawsuit?

LOL Hispanic isn't a race it's an ethnic group.

Don't be mean to me if you're simply repeating her counter-claim. Her lawyers are "fugazi".



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 103, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2226 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 102):
Don't be mean to me if you're simply repeating her counter-claim.

Did you feel unfairly taken advantage of? I'm sorry, snookums.



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 104, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2222 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 103):

Oh my goodness! AeroWesty! You make me   .



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 105, posted (1 year 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 104):
You make me     .

It's all part of the down home hospitality package.   



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Reply 106, posted (1 year 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2160 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 99):
Or E) someone who can't be bothered by what a Baldwin says in an oddly frequent fit of rage

It surprises me that it gets the attention that it does, but the same may be said of Paula Deen, in spades. Her views - however anyone defines them - were not unknown, until the use of the N word surfaced.

The interview with the "black on black" comments was taped by the NYT in 2012 and well known.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...y-2012-interview-article-1.1379912

"Paula Deen calls employee 'black as a board' months before Food Network firing

Newly canned chef Paula Deen put her Southern-fried foot in her mouth in a bizarre 2012 discussion of slavery and the Civil War.

She also called up an employee to join her onstage, noting that Hollis Johnson was "as black as this board" pointing to the dark backdrop behind her."


It caused no great stir, scarcely a ripple, she wasn't dropped by Food Network then.

mariner

[Edited 2013-07-01 12:45:48]


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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 106):
It caused no great stir, scarcely a ripple, she wasn't dropped by Food Network then.

Why would she have been? That in itself alone would only give the impression of maybe being a little tacky, insensitive or even on the flip side, endearing in an old southern way. It's not 'one' incident that is causing the opinion against her, its the sum of several incidents and the impression that companies are getting that she has racist tendancies. (sp?) due to the sum of all these parts. The black as that board comment now evokes that tar baby, lips and eyes glowin' in da dark and 'sho nuff Miss Deen' vibe. Couple that wiith the N word ...

[Edited 2013-07-01 14:00:18]

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Reply 108, posted (1 year 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2122 times:
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Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 107):
Why would she have been?

If the views she presented in that interview are so offensively racist, why would she not have been?

As the complainant said:

Quoting mariner (Reply 95):
Q. Up until May 27th, 2010, you had no complaints or problems with Mrs. Deen, did you?

A. No.

Q. She had never indicated any discriminatory bias or prejudice, did she?

A. Yes. One remark she made at Bubba’s wedding planning.”


So up until 2010 even the complainant said she had no problems with Ms. Deen's attitudes, whatever they were, and most of the problems that are listed in the complaint seem to be directed at the brother.

Once again, I am not defending Ms. Deen - cashed-up white trash with a loose mouth - but I dislike disproportionate reactions to almost anything.

Sins of racism are committed every day. My own car had the windscreen smashed and "Nigger Lover" spray painted on the side because I was travelling in the South once with a well-known black man.

I think that reaction was "disproportionate", but what to make of the attitude of the police, who said there wasn't much they could do - it was "just a few of the boys letting off steam."?

mariner



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 109, posted (1 year 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2083 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 95):
Apparently, some of the accusations that Jackson (the Deen accuser) made were not in the original complaint, but were added in a second amended complaint:

Understand the standard in Iqbal and Twombley and the tradition idea of federal court pleading to know why.

Quoting mariner (Reply 108):
So up until 2010 even the complainant said she had no problems with Ms. Deen's attitudes, whatever they were, and most of the problems that are listed in the complaint seem to be directed at the brother.

Once again, I am not defending Ms. Deen - cashed-up white trash with a loose mouth - but I dislike disproportionate reactions to almost anything.

Remember, Deen owns the place her brother was running.



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Reply 110, posted (1 year 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2076 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 109):
Remember, Deen owns the place her brother was running.

Yes, I do know that she co-owns it.

And - yet again - I am not defending Deen.

mariner

[Edited 2013-07-01 18:56:25]


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 111, posted (1 year 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

A p/r professional weighs in on how Paula could pick up the pieces:

After fall from grace, can Paula Deen recover?

Quote:
"She made a fundamental mistake in the beginning by not getting in front of the story," said Jim Joseph, the North American president of Cohn & Wolfe, a communications firm.

In general, he advises clients to be completely transparent about mistakes and take responsibility for them quickly.

What gets people in trouble, Joseph said is "never the crime — always the coverup." In order to successfully rebound, Deen needs to get back out in the public eye with new products and a new show.

In essence, she needs to go back to being Paula Deen.

Paula already has her new book she could shop to another publisher, but there are limited places where she could pitch a regular cooking show.



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4952 posts, RR: 19
Reply 112, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 100):
Willie, get out from there, we can't see you against that black board!" It's pretty ignorant, and her intonation didn't help either.

I once had a task at work of photographing people for ID cards for a special project I was working on. We used a black backround. I had to go back and reshoot the black employees because none of their photos came out right. All you could see were their eyes and mouths. And these photos were taken with a flash camera, a cheap one at that.

So not having access to a camera with a brighter flash, I used a cream colored backround and the photos came out fine. A few of the people asked my why I needed to reshoot the photos all I told them was that they just faded into the backround. Nobody seemed offended by that.

It was a learning experience for me. You simply need more contrast that's all.



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User currently offlinen229nw From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1937 posts, RR: 32
Reply 113, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1965 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
Will the person who has never used this word please step forward now..... I thought so.
Quoting type-rated (Reply 17):
You don't live in the US. It's a US culture thing, you wouldn't understand.
Quoting type-rated (Reply 17):
And I am sure with all the swearing and foul names he calls people he has probably used the N word at one time or another too!

Are you joking? Neither I nor anyone I have ever met in my whole life in the US (about 40 years) has ever used this word, except when repeating it in a quote, or making fun of someone who would say it, etc. No, I take it back, I've heard an angry homeless man use the word, and a skinhead ranting in the subway one time. Does that count as "everyone" using the word?

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 40):
As for today. I still have many black friends, especially at the fire department, where they refer to me as their "niggah".

And there is a big difference between the term of endearment used between some blacks with an "a" on the end, and the word ending in "er." Although I personally find it in unsavory for white people to use the former, we are talking about the latter here.



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4952 posts, RR: 19
Reply 114, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

Quoting n229nw (Reply 113):
Does that count as "everyone" using the word?

If you reread my post, I NEVER said "everyone". YOU added that yourself.

Quoting n229nw (Reply 113):

Are you joking? Neither I nor anyone I have ever met in my whole life in the US (about 40 years) has ever used this word,

I find this statement extremely hard to believe. Have you been living under a rock, or are you a hermit?

Quoting n229nw (Reply 113):
And there is a big difference between the term of endearment used between some blacks with an "a" on the end,

That' only because they are not pronouncing it correctly due to intention or ignorance. The N word is the N word, period. Are you trying to say when white people say it the meaning is different than when a black person says it? You can't do that. That's racist thinking.

Finally once and for all, If people want the N word to go away EVERYONE should stop using it. Constant use by ANYONE only keeps it in the current language. A good example is the word "Pickaninny". I haven't heard that word used since the mid 60's. It has simply fallen out of use.



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 115, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1897 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 112):
I once had a task at work of photographing people for ID cards for a special project I was working on. We used a black backround. I had to go back and reshoot the black employees because none of their photos came out right. All you could see were their eyes and mouths. And these photos were taken with a flash camera, a cheap one at that.

So not having access to a camera with a brighter flash, I used a cream colored backround and the photos came out fine. A few of the people asked my why I needed to reshoot the photos all I told them was that they just faded into the backround. Nobody seemed offended by that.

It was a learning experience for me. You simply need more contrast that's all.

And there's nothing wrong with that. If you had some off-white or light cream background and you had really pale "white" people (think Nicole Kidman), depending on the K temp of your lights and your sensor, you'd have a serious problem as well.

The black on black thing just queues up all the history of minstrel shows and racist ads where it was a black face, blush red lips, whites of the eyes, white teeth, grossly exaggerated facial features. There's no history of "white" people being caricatured nationwide like that in everyday and professional situations. This is why the outrage happens.

With regards, as Mariner asked, to why now? I think sometimes the totality of many situations catches up to you, and it just takes a spark. Things people overlook before come back around, and people say, "See? I told you so."



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 116, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

Deen's legal team files motion to dismiss based upon the Supreme Court's ruling in the California Prop. 8 same-sex marriage case:

Paula Deen Cites Prop 8 Ruling in Seeking Discrimination Suit's Dismissal

Quote:
Deen's attorneys noted the opinion of Chief Justice John Roberts on the Hollingsworth vs. Perry Prop 8 case, where he wrote that in order for a person to have standing to sue, they must prove they have "suffered a concrete and particularized injury that is fairly traceable to the challenged conduct."

The TV personality's camp interpreted that to mean that "in other words, for a federal court to have authority under the Constitution to settle a dispute, the party before it must seek a remedy for a personal and tangible harm."

In Deen's view, given the fact that Jackson is white, she doesn't have standing to bring the case because she herself didn't suffer personally from race discrimination.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19415 posts, RR: 58
Reply 117, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

Well, I bought a Paula Deen ceramic-coated nonstick pan set yesterday at Target.

For some reason, they're on Clearance.

 

I figure, she already got paid for that pan set when Target purchased it. Thus, I am not stuffing her pockets so I am neutral. I'm just getting a good deal (and I'm happy with the pan, too).


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Reply 118, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1740 times:
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Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 115):
With regards, as Mariner asked, to why now?

Maybe I'm just more cynical about the media, and the relentless search for the grabby headline?

It is quite difficult to make a grab out of "Paula Deen calls black man black."

Much easier to yell "Paula Dean said N*****!"

mariner



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19415 posts, RR: 58
Reply 119, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1727 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 116):
Deen's legal team files motion to dismiss based upon the Supreme Court's ruling in the California Prop. 8 same-sex marriage case:

Interesting to use THAT case. Many other cases have been dismissed on lack of standing because the plaintiff has suffered no damage.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 120, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1697 times:

You've gotta read this story to believe it. Man allegedly tries to blackmail Paula Deen for a quarter of a million, but bargains down to $200K, then doesn't have a car to pick up the payoff:

Man tries to blackmail Paula Deen in $250,000 extortion plot

«Thomas George Paculis was picked up by the FBI after attempting to extort the beleaguered celebrity chef by exposing ‘'true and damning' statements she had allegedly made.»



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 121, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1648 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 118):
Maybe I'm just more cynical about the media, and the relentless search for the grabby headline?

It is quite difficult to make a grab out of "Paula Deen calls black man black."

Much easier to yell "Paula Dean said N*****!"

I like your opinion, only she was ruined even before the larger media had a headline like that.



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Reply 122, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1642 times:
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Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 121):
I like your opinion, only she was ruined even before the larger media had a headline like that.

From the OP:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/21/sh...n-racial-slur/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

"Celebrity chef Paula Deen's contract with the Food Network will not be renewed, the network said Friday, the latest fallout over revelations that she admitted to using a racial epithet in the past."

It hit the fan over the use of the word.

mariner



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 123, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 122):
From the OP:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/21/sh...n-racial-slur/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

"Celebrity chef Paula Deen's contract with the Food Network will not be renewed, the network said Friday, the latest fallout over revelations that she admitted to using a racial epithet in the past."

It hit the fan over the use of the word.

What came out in her deposition was reported before Food Network dropped her.



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Reply 124, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1637 times:
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Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 123):
What came out in her deposition was reported before Food Network dropped her.

Sure, it did.

But the "black on black" thing was a public interview with the New York Times in 2012 and nothing much happened, not even much dismay at the NYT. She lost no - or very little - sponsorship because of it.

Once it the fan, that interview was revisited, of course.

mariner



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 125, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1637 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 124):
Sure, it did.

But the "black on black" thing was a public interview with the New York Times in 2012 and nothing much happened, not even much dismay at the NYT. She lost no - or very little - sponsorship because of it.

Once it the fan, that interview was revisited, of course.


Of course it was. Does that surprise you? Hindsight is 20/20 in every case. And like I said, another straw breaks the camel's back. I don't attribute her demise to a media conspiracy though. If you want to, that's fine, but a bit dense.



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Reply 126, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1604 times:
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Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 125):
Of course it was. Does that surprise you? Hindsight is 20/20 in every case. And like I said, another straw breaks the camel's back. I don't attribute her demise to a media conspiracy though. If you want to, that's fine, but a bit dense.

It has nothing to do with a media conspiracy.   

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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2362 posts, RR: 8
Reply 127, posted (1 year 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 118):
Maybe I'm just more cynical about the media, and the relentless search for the grabby headline?
Quoting mariner (Reply 122):
It hit the fan over the use of the word.
Quoting mariner (Reply 124):
But the "black on black" thing was a public interview with the New York Times in 2012 and nothing much happened, not even much dismay at the NYT. She lost no - or very little - sponsorship because of it.

Once it the fan, that interview was revisited, of course.
Quoting mariner (Reply 126):
It has nothing to do with a media conspiracy.

Yes...i'm very...          



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Reply 128, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1469 times:
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Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 127):
Yes...i'm very...          

I thought I had already explained it - there is no conspiracy. The media - newspapers and tv - are in the business of making money.

So it is only interested in what may sell - a juicy story or a grabby healdine:

Quoting mariner (Reply 118):
It is quite difficult to make a grab out of "Paula Deen calls black man black."

Much easier to yell "Paula Dean said N*****!"

One sells, one doesn't.

mariner



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