LY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 1 Posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1717 times:
I have a question for the people who are critizing Israel (specifically SAS and 777236ER). What's the difference between American/British troops being in Afghanistan fighting terrorist then Israel being in "Palestine" fighting terrorists?
If anything, the US is worst. The US is dropping bombs killing civilians daily. IDF refuses to bomb the Palestinians because of Civilian causilities.
Both America/Britain and Israel have this in common:
-Have a strong army and are fighting a side very weaker than themselves
Ofcourse Israel is critized all the time but America isn't, why is that?
PROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1692 times:
The United States has no permanent territorial ambitions in Afghanistan. The Bush administration is not encouraging thousands of American citizens to set up settlements in Afghanistan, and no one in the U.S. government is advocating the expulsion of all Afghans from Afghanistan.
It's basically impossible to compare the two situations.
"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1689 times:
Let's just clear something up. 1) I don't support terrorism 2) I'm not pro either side. BOTH sides are fucked up and BOTH sides do things which can't be defended. The suicide bombings are obviously wrong. That being said, the occupations of certain Palestinian towns and settlements are wrong.
No one side is blameless.
That being said, is America and the UK and the EU occupying Afghanistan? Nope. Has America the UK and the EU set up a new government and brought hope to the thousands of Afghanis living there? Yes.
Is Israel occupying Palestinian land? Yes. Is Israel helping to set up a new government and helping to bring hope to thousands of Afghanis living there? Nope.
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21632 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1673 times:
777236ER: I know what I mean that's all that counts
Just couldn´t resist imagining all the poor, oppressed afghanis in palestine...
But seriously, I agree that the parallels between Afghanistan and Palestine are next to nonexistent. The taleban were an oppressive regime, which explains the afghanis´ collective relief when they were finally toppled.
Yes, there are plaestinian morons who commit crimes against israeli civilians. And yes, there are israeli morons who commit crimes against palestine civilians (among them taking their land away).
The solution is not to remove one of the two populations, the solution is removing the morons on both sides from power!
Racko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4887 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1658 times:
"If anything, the US is worst. The US is dropping bombs killing civilians daily"
You won't hear me say one good word about soldiers who understand "celebration shots" as attacks on them. The bad thing is that they do it frequently, somehow they should have learned by now how Afghans celebrate.
Well, the people here depend on what informations they gain from the media. And the media is mainly reporting what they have as moving pictures (nothing from Afghanistan, tons of destroyed houses in Palestine) or what policticans say. And why so few european politicans criticize these attacks ?
Germany & Great Britain : Both involved, so you can't expect them to criticize their own troops.
Italy: Berlusconi wants to have best relationships with Bush, so he would criticize anything connected with the USA.
France: The criticize it from time to time, but nobody listens to them. And they have plenty of domestic political problems (Le Pen comes to my mind).
The Rest: To small and unimportant, maybe they criticize it and it isn't reported in the media, maybe they don't have the balls to say something against the USA and the two most important countries in europe.
Krushny From Spain, joined Dec 2000, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1654 times:
LY772, you are stepping on dangerous grounds. The most shameless apologists of Israel actions (right or wrong) in this forum come from North America. How do you dare criticise their beloved nation?
As for differences between both actions, another one is duration. Israel is occupying WB, Gaza and Golan since 1967, inhabited mostly by non Jewish people, and in those 35 years Israel has not yet decided what to do with them (give full citizenship, expel, retire and independice, whatever) . Israel has always found excuses to keep the status quo and maintain the occupation against an hostile population.
I highly doubt that US and UK troops will be active in Afghanistan 35 years from now...
Travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1611 times:
Yeah, that's smart. Get some of your strongest supporters pissed at you. The differences in the situations are many, the similarities few.
"If anything, the US is worst. The US is dropping bombs killing civilians daily."
Yes, mistakes have been made. It's tragic when innocent American or Canadian troops are killed by "friendly fire". It's tragic when innocent Afghan civilians are killed by a mistakenly dropped bomb. Investigations will (and have) happened, but your insinuation that the US is killing Afghan civilians "daily" is absolutely false. The reason these incidents become news is that they are infrequent and extra-ordinary.
However, there is one big difference you failed to mention -- The Afghan people actually want us there. Ask a Palestinian if they want Israeli troops there, and I think you'll know the answer. That, in my opinion, is one of the biggest differences.
Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1606 times:
The US don't occupy Afghanistan...
By the way: Israel always claims to be so human and careful with its military actions...but why do they keep the media out? And why don't they allow the UN to investigate their actions, e.g. Jenin?
Anything to hide? Of course not, it's just because, because, because.
Us330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4154 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1576 times:
For the first time ever, I actually agree with ADG. The US has every intention of leaving once a stable government has been setup, and is actually trying to improve the lives of the non-terrorists living. While I am somewhat pro-Israel, I must admit that electing Sharon was a terrible mistake, and that if Israel wanted to make themselves look better, they could do something that none of the Arab Countries have done for the Palestinian people: invest money in building an effective infrastructure to improve the lives of the non-terrorists.
Boeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1570 times:
Israel questioning US actions!? Am I hearing correctly!? That's a laugh!
The US and UK are trying to set up democracy in Afghanistan. Civilian casulties are accidental, and the US and UK admits to them. Israel on the other hand pounds Palestinian civilians daily, keep the media out, and cuts off its leadership from its people.
Message for Israel: DON'T EVER QUESTION THE POLICY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!!
Travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1561 times:
I don't have a problem with ANYONE questioning US policy. I do, however, consider it an insult to equate our operations in Afghanistan with Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories. There are far more differences than similarities between the two.