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User currently offlineLY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1091 times:

I have a question for the people who are critizing Israel (specifically SAS and 777236ER). What's the difference between American/British troops being in Afghanistan fighting terrorist then Israel being in "Palestine" fighting terrorists?

If anything, the US is worst. The US is dropping bombs killing civilians daily. IDF refuses to bomb the Palestinians because of Civilian causilities.

Both America/Britain and Israel have this in common:
-Have a strong army and are fighting a side very weaker than themselves

Ofcourse Israel is critized all the time but America isn't, why is that?

LY772
ISRAEL LA NEZAH
MAVET LA FALASTINAEIM

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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5628 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1066 times:

The United States has no permanent territorial ambitions in Afghanistan. The Bush administration is not encouraging thousands of American citizens to set up settlements in Afghanistan, and no one in the U.S. government is advocating the expulsion of all Afghans from Afghanistan.
It's basically impossible to compare the two situations.



"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1063 times:

Let's just clear something up. 1) I don't support terrorism 2) I'm not pro either side. BOTH sides are fucked up and BOTH sides do things which can't be defended. The suicide bombings are obviously wrong. That being said, the occupations of certain Palestinian towns and settlements are wrong.

No one side is blameless.

That being said, is America and the UK and the EU occupying Afghanistan? Nope. Has America the UK and the EU set up a new government and brought hope to the thousands of Afghanis living there? Yes.

Is Israel occupying Palestinian land? Yes. Is Israel helping to set up a new government and helping to bring hope to thousands of Afghanis living there? Nope.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1060 times:

777236ER: Is Israel occupying Palestinian land? Yes. Is Israel helping to set up a new government and helping to bring hope to thousands of Afghanis living there? Nope.

Not even to the palestinians...  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1058 times:

I know what I mean that's all that counts  Smile

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1047 times:

777236ER: I know what I mean that's all that counts

Just couldn´t resist imagining all the poor, oppressed afghanis in palestine...  Wink/being sarcastic


But seriously, I agree that the parallels between Afghanistan and Palestine are next to nonexistent. The taleban were an oppressive regime, which explains the afghanis´ collective relief when they were finally toppled.

Yes, there are plaestinian morons who commit crimes against israeli civilians. And yes, there are israeli morons who commit crimes against palestine civilians (among them taking their land away).

The solution is not to remove one of the two populations, the solution is removing the morons on both sides from power!


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1032 times:

"If anything, the US is worst. The US is dropping bombs killing civilians daily"

You won't hear me say one good word about soldiers who understand "celebration shots" as attacks on them. The bad thing is that they do it frequently, somehow they should have learned by now how Afghans celebrate.

Well, the people here depend on what informations they gain from the media. And the media is mainly reporting what they have as moving pictures (nothing from Afghanistan, tons of destroyed houses in Palestine) or what policticans say. And why so few european politicans criticize these attacks ?

Germany & Great Britain : Both involved, so you can't expect them to criticize their own troops.

Italy: Berlusconi wants to have best relationships with Bush, so he would criticize anything connected with the USA.

France: The criticize it from time to time, but nobody listens to them. And they have plenty of domestic political problems (Le Pen comes to my mind).

The Rest: To small and unimportant, maybe they criticize it and it isn't reported in the media, maybe they don't have the balls to say something against the USA and the two most important countries in europe.


User currently offlineKrushny From Spain, joined Dec 2000, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1028 times:

LY772, you are stepping on dangerous grounds. The most shameless apologists of Israel actions (right or wrong) in this forum come from North America. How do you dare criticise their beloved nation?  Embarrassment

As for differences between both actions, another one is duration. Israel is occupying WB, Gaza and Golan since 1967, inhabited mostly by non Jewish people, and in those 35 years Israel has not yet decided what to do with them (give full citizenship, expel, retire and independice, whatever) . Israel has always found excuses to keep the status quo and maintain the occupation against an hostile population.
I highly doubt that US and UK troops will be active in Afghanistan 35 years from now...


User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1020 times:

LY772: I want my money back!

User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 985 times:

Yeah, that's smart. Get some of your strongest supporters pissed at you. The differences in the situations are many, the similarities few.

"If anything, the US is worst. The US is dropping bombs killing civilians daily."

Yes, mistakes have been made. It's tragic when innocent American or Canadian troops are killed by "friendly fire". It's tragic when innocent Afghan civilians are killed by a mistakenly dropped bomb. Investigations will (and have) happened, but your insinuation that the US is killing Afghan civilians "daily" is absolutely false. The reason these incidents become news is that they are infrequent and extra-ordinary.

However, there is one big difference you failed to mention -- The Afghan people actually want us there. Ask a Palestinian if they want Israeli troops there, and I think you'll know the answer. That, in my opinion, is one of the biggest differences.


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 980 times:

The US don't occupy Afghanistan...

By the way: Israel always claims to be so human and careful with its military actions...but why do they keep the media out? And why don't they allow the UN to investigate their actions, e.g. Jenin?
Anything to hide? Of course not, it's just because, because, because.



Regards
Udo


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 960 times:

Because of the same reason the USA is afraid of having a neutral court investigating war crimes commited by their soldiers.

User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 958 times:

Regardless of what a person thinks of America, there is absolutely no parralell between the two situations. As you have seen here, you have been shot down with very valid arguments.

All I can say is nice try.




VH-ADG


User currently offlineUs330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3866 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 950 times:

For the first time ever, I actually agree with ADG. The US has every intention of leaving once a stable government has been setup, and is actually trying to improve the lives of the non-terrorists living. While I am somewhat pro-Israel, I must admit that electing Sharon was a terrible mistake, and that if Israel wanted to make themselves look better, they could do something that none of the Arab Countries have done for the Palestinian people: invest money in building an effective infrastructure to improve the lives of the non-terrorists.

User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 944 times:

Israel questioning US actions!? Am I hearing correctly!? That's a laugh!

The US and UK are trying to set up democracy in Afghanistan. Civilian casulties are accidental, and the US and UK admits to them. Israel on the other hand pounds Palestinian civilians daily, keep the media out, and cuts off its leadership from its people.

Message for Israel: DON'T EVER QUESTION THE POLICY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!!

A proud American,
B4e


User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 940 times:

"Message for Israel: DON'T EVER QUESTION THE POLICY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Israel !!!!!


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 935 times:

I don't have a problem with ANYONE questioning US policy. I do, however, consider it an insult to equate our operations in Afghanistan with Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories. There are far more differences than similarities between the two.

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 926 times:

Why would Sharon question the mideast policy of the USA?

He´s making it!  Sad


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