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F1 2013: German GP  
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2833 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1897 times:

After an eventful British GP, the F1 circus goes to the Nürburgring for the 60th German GP.

The most recent German Grand Prix at the Nurburgring took place in 2011 and was won by Lewis Hamilton for McLaren. Ferrari’s Fernando Alonso was second and Red Bull’s Mark Webber was third.

According to Williams, they’ll start their 600th race in Germany - the third highest total achieved by any team (behind Ferrari and McLaren).

Red Bull’s Sebastian Vettel has never won his home event, making it one of just three Grands Prix on the calendar he hasn’t won (the others are Hungary and the USA). His best result in Germany is second in 2009. He's also never won a race in the month of July.

After the tyre incidents that have occured during the British GP, Pirelli said they would reintroduce the kevlar belts on their tyres.


Nürburgring

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Lap data

Lap length: 5.148 km
Race laps: 60
Race distance: 308.641 km
Pole position: Left-hand side of the track
Race Lap record: 1’29.467 (207.147 kph) by Michael Schumacher, 2004
Fastest lap: 1’27.691 (211.342 kph) by Takuma Sato, 2004
Maximum speed: 306kph
DRS zone/s (race): Pit straight and back straight
Distance from grid to turn one: 260 m


Car performance

Full throttle: 63%
Longest flat-out section: 928 m
Downforce level: High
Gear changes per lap: 60
Fuel use per lap: 2.4 kg
Time penalty per lap of fuel: 0.078 s


Championship Standings

1 - Sebastian Vettel 132
2 - Fernando Alonso 111
3 - Kimi Räikkönen 98
4 - Lewis Hamilton 89
5 - Mark Webber 87
6 - Nico Rosberg 82
7 - Felipe Massa 57
8 - Paul di Resta 36
9 - Romain Grosjean 26
10 - Jenson Button 25
11 - Adrian Sutil 23
12 - Jean-Éric Vergne 13
13 - Sergio Perez 12
14 - Daniel Ricciardo 11
15 - Nico Hülkenberg 6
16 - Pastor Maldonado 0
17 - Valtteri Bottas 0
18 - Esteban Gutiérrez 0
19 - Jules Bianchi 0
20 - Charles Pic 0
21 - Max Chilton 0
22 - Giedo van der Garde 0


1 - Red Bull / Renault 219
2 - Mercedes 171
3 - Ferrari 168
4 - Lotus / Renault 124
5 - Force India / Mercedes 59
6 - McLaren / Mercedes 37
7 - Toro Rosso / Ferrari 24
8 - Sauber / Ferrari 6
9 - Williams / Renault 0
10 - Marussia / Cosworth 0
11 - Caterham / Renault 0


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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2627 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1830 times:
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Mercedes are looking invincible after FP1, with Hamilton being more than a second quicker than the first non-Mercedes driver, Webber.

Looks like both Mercedes drivers could be a threat for the championship, despite being so far behind at the moment. If they keep this up, it'll be one hell of a championship battle.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 1):
Looks like both Mercedes drivers could be a threat for the championship, despite being so far behind at the moment. If they keep this up, it'll be one hell of a championship battle.

   Yes, they are really looking good. They were already showing their speed at the beginning of the season, and now that they have resolved their tyre problems, they look like a strong contender for both titles.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1731 times:

Well, I certainly did not expect Rosberg to be eliminated from Q3. What happened to him? Was he too confident that he could qualify and so he watched the end of the session from the pits?

Also, the Ferraris are not looking good. 4th row "only" for Massa and Alonso. I hope for them they will be more competitive during the race.

And Button and Hulkenberg did not run at all, probably knowing that it would be useless.



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2627 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1728 times:
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 3):
Was he too confident that he could qualify and so he watched the end of the session from the pits?

I think that was the team's call more than his own. Either way, it was a mistake, they misjudged how quickly the track evolved over the course of the qualifying session.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 3):
Also, the Ferraris are not looking good. 4th row "only" for Massa and Alonso. I hope for them they will be more competitive during the race.

I hope not  



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6691 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

Those tires are annoying really, a few degrees difference and you hear pilots asking for more or less front or rear wing, front or rear pressure, front or rear temp'...


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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1588 times:

Of course, just as I mentionned that Vettel never won his home GP and never won in the month of July, he wins... Anyway, congrats to him. He's building his way to a 4th title in a row.

Good race from both Lotus drivers. It's good to have them back fighting for the win after several underperforming GPs.

And thankfully, no one hit Bianchi's Marussia when it was going down the hill!



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6691 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

After the retirement of two French drivers in Germany I was fearing for Grosjean but his luck didn't run out this time, unfortunately neither did Vettel's !


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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2627 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1527 times:
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 6):
Of course, just as I mentionned that Vettel never won his home GP and never won in the month of July, he wins... Anyway, congrats to him. He's building his way to a 4th title in a row.

Indeed, it's a good way to break a drought of wins at home and wins in July. Fourth title in a row would be magnificent and cap off yet another great year. If he wins, he will only be the third driver in F1 history to win four in a row, along with Fangio and Schumacher. He'll also equal Prost on four championships, with only Fangio and Schumacher having won more.

That is a record to be proud of.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 6):
Good race from both Lotus drivers. It's good to have them back fighting for the win after several underperforming GPs.

Yes, indeed. It was good to see both Raikkonen and Grosjean on the podium. At least that meant Alonso missed out  



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

What happened to the other a.net F1 enthusiasts? We're only three talking about the German GP, which is quite weird.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 8):
At least that meant Alonso missed out

Ferrari is struggling to fight for the win lately. Alonso scores points consistently, but they're lacking something to be able to compete with Red Bull.

Regarding the loose wheel that injured a cameraman, the FIA will study measures to increase security in the pit lane. Among others is to dress all pit lane actors with a race suit and an helmet, like it is already the case in the 24 Hours of Le Mans.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108669

The cameraman who has been hit by Webber's wheel has a broken collar bone and a cracked rib.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6691 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1433 times:

A race suit and helmet wouldn't have changed anything, in fact it would have made it even more difficult for him to spot the wheel...

As for enthusiasts, I wonder if the British GP had something to do with it. I download the races on newsgroups usually and this last week-end there were very few offers compared to usually.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 10):

A race suit and helmet wouldn't have changed anything, in fact it would have made it even more difficult for him to spot the wheel...

We're not talking about motorbikes helmets, but more something that ressembles a bike helmet like in Le Mans:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1049051_10201383793539144_1413367979_o.jpg

I agree it does not offer a full protection, but it still offers more protection than the guys in F1.

[Edited 2013-07-09 06:57:39]


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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

Ok, so the FIA is banning from the pitlane anyone who is not a marshall or a team personnel. They will be obliged to wear head protection. Media will be confined to the pit wall.

They also decrease the pit-lane speed limit to 80 kph, and 60 kph in Monaco, Singapore and Melbourne. Previous speed limit was 100 kph.

This is with immediate effect.

http://www.fia.com/news/fia-reinforces-f1-safety



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2627 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1336 times:
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I understand the reasoning behind getting everyone to wear head protection and to confine the media to the pit wall, but I fail to understand the reasoning behind decreasing the pit lane speed limit. The incident with the wheel hitting the cameraman was not a result of excessive speed.

Now, cars will have to spend longer in the pit lane.



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5705 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1333 times:
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Quoting CXB77L (Reply 13):
but I fail to understand the reasoning behind decreasing the pit lane speed limit. The incident with the wheel hitting the cameraman was not a result of excessive speed.

Whilst I don't really agree with what are effectively knee jerk reactions I can see the point to some extent.

Admittedly I have only seen the vision from the pit release a couple of times, the acceleration of an F1 car is so extreme that MW was likely close to 100 kph when the wheel came off. Certainly in the past when we have seen wheels come off with cars further down the pit lane they would be near or at the limit.

A wheel that comes off a car at 80 kph has a lot less energy than one at 100 kph

As a race fan I like to see spectacle

As a former race marshal and pit crew** I tend to err towards safety.

** I have been in the position of that right rear tyre guy and I understand and feel for him.

[Edited 2013-07-10 06:26:13]


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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 13):
but I fail to understand the reasoning behind decreasing the pit lane speed limit

It won't change anything for anyone (drivers, spectators or TV viewers), and as Stealthz said it will decrease the energy of an object coming off a car.

In Le Mans, the pit lane is limited to 60 kph and no one is complaining  



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1309 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 14):
Whilst I don't really agree with what are effectively knee jerk reactions

Just to be clear, these measures were to be effective as soon as 2014. They just anticipated their application as a result of the wheel incident.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6691 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1296 times:

You keep talking about Le Mans but that is a completely different race, where you can win even after doing some repairs in your garage !

The helmets are fine, however the speed in the pitlane has a great influence on the race, strategies will change because of that move, and I'm not convinced it's for the better, especially with unreliable pirelli tires that the pilots want to change at the first sign they're losing performance (or pressure, or integrity).



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User currently offlinethesultanofwing From El Salvador, joined Dec 2012, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1288 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 9):

What happened to the other a.net F1 enthusiasts? We're only three talking about the German GP, which is quite weird.

I was distracted by this horrible thing called work.....

Here's my (unsolicited) opinion on the main contenders:

-Vettel, steady; a well deserved win.

-Alonso, steady; consistently scoring.

-Kimi, good; Renault seem to have regained speed.....looking at his team mate as well.
Still pissed off with Perez for sabotaging Kimi at Monaco, that cost him expensive points.

-Webber, again an uphill battle; well done.

-Massa; let's call it a "technical problem".

The championship looks interesting still....now the tire tests and off to Hungary!


Regards.....



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 17):
You keep talking about Le Mans but that is a completely different race, where you can win even after doing some repairs in your garage !

And so? It's motorsports all the same and the security around the cars is the same too. I'm talking about Le Mans because they implemented those measures few years before Formula 1, hence representing some kind of benchmark in terms of pitlane security.

Quoting thesultanofwing (Reply 18):
I was distracted by this horrible thing called work.....

Understandable! Glad to have you back!

Quoting thesultanofwing (Reply 18):
Webber, again an uphill battle; well done

May I have to say that he has been lucky to have the safery car, as he's been authorized to come back in the same lap as the others. Otherwise, there was absolutely no chance he could get points.



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User currently offlinethesultanofwing From El Salvador, joined Dec 2012, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1270 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 19):

May I have to say that he has been lucky to have the safety car, as he's been authorized to come back in the same lap as the others. Otherwise, there was absolutely no chance he could get points.

Absolutely, no argument there!
But still, a solid race from him!

Really curious whom's seat he is pre-heating!



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1264 times:

Quoting thesultanofwing (Reply 20):
But still, a solid race from him!

True, true!

And thanks for fixing my typo on the word "safety"  



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